Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
Charles -- I think it's already on the web somewhere. Here is a copy for you. Maybe you can track its URL down and just link to it. Might not be a good idea to duplicate it on web site, due to copyright issues. -- Bill --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org Geology 35_327_07.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document
RE: Naica crystals
Charles, I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. That´s a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn´t do that... Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] Naica crystals
No luck finding it, I've put it on the texascavers site, in an area that the search engine bots aren't allowed to archive. The link is http://texascavers.com/misc/geology35_327_07.pdf Charles On 4/10/07, Bill Mixon billmi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Charles -- I think it's already on the web somewhere. Here is a copy for you. Maybe you can track its URL down and just link to it. Might not be a good idea to duplicate it on web site, due to copyright issues. -- Bill --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: Naica crystals
Mark, any idea if this article is already on the web, so we can just link to it? On 4/10/07, Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu wrote: Charles, I have a 377 kb PDF of the article about the formation of the crystals in Cave of the Crystals in the Naica mine. Bill, email it to me and I'll throw it on the website and give you the link, saving you the bandwidth of emailing it to multiple people. That´s a copyrighted journal article. You probably shouldn´t do that... Mark Minton
[Texascavers] OT - another Gmail tip
If you have a keyboard that has additional buttons for things like Internet. Then when you click on this button, it can go straight into Gmail.This is fast.Your new e-mail is right there in front of you, even if you are using a slow dial-up. Whereas, if you are using an e-mail software like Outlook Express and you click on the e-mail button, you have to wait for Outlook Expess to load, then you have to wait for it to retrieve your e-mail, then you have to sort thru possibly tons of spam. Why would you want to use Outlook Express, after using Gmail? David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: Unable to contact texascavers.com
Charles, Thanks for your help with this. I'm afraid, however, that this local subnet might include thousands of RoadRunner customers, including, it now seems, Orion Knox who lives on the other side of Austin. (I'm in Hays county.) I checked with one RR tech support person (probably not a good one) who says that they can't help -- hardly surprising. I wonder who else checks that particular blacklist. I haven't had this problem before and I'm subscribed to at least two dozen mailing lists. Anyway, thanks for the info on gmail. I'll look into it. I also appreciate your work in setting up and managing the TexasCavers mailing list. Best regards, --David - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: David McKenzie Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: Unable to contact texascavers.com David, someone on your local subnet is sending out spam, my anti-spam setup checks the blacklists for domains and ip ranges that are active and known spammers. You have two choices, you can either complain to your ISP and they can work get off of the blacklists, or you can subscribe using another email, for instance gmail.com I highly recommend gmail, its a great service with no intrusive ads, and you can even use your own client with it if you like, but their webclient is top-notch. Let me know if I can help further. Charles On 4/9/07, David McKenzie david...@austin.rr.com wrote: Dear Charles, I've been unable to resubscribe to the mailing list after unsubscribing about a month ago. Below is an example of what I finally receive 2 days after any attempt to follow the User's Guide instructions at texascavers.com -- that is, by sending a message to texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com. I'm poor at interpreting this kind of info, but it appears that all my messages to texascavers.com are being intercepted by a spam blocking service. Evidently only some people are being affected. Carl Kunath, for example, has no trouble contacting texascavers-h...@texascavers.com whereas I can't. I've not had this problem resubscribing to my other mailing lists. I'm hoping you can help! Thanks. --David - Original Message - From: Mail Delivery Subsystem mailer-dae...@ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com To: david...@austin.rr.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 12:25 PM Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details The original message was received at Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) from cpe-70-112-155-198.austin.res.rr.com [70.112.155.198] - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com (reason: 451 Spam Received Recently See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?24.93.47.40 ) - Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to raistlin.wokka.org.: RCPT To: texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com 451 Spam Received Recently See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?24.93.47.40 texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com... Deferred: 451 Spam Received Recently See: http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?24.93.47.40 Message could not be delivered for 2 days Message will be deleted from queue Return-Path: david...@austin.rr.com Received: from black (cpe-70-112-155-198.austin.res.rr.com [70.112.155.198]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l33HOd3n023952 for texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: 000301c77614$f69e4720$6501a8c0@black From: David McKenzie david...@austin.rr.com To: texascavers-subscr...@texascavers.com Subject: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:24:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
[Texascavers] AMCS pubs at TSA convention
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies will not have sales tables at the TSA convention this weekend, but if there is anything in particular you would like to see or buy, e-mail me and I'll bring it for you. Complete info on publications available is at www.amcs-pubs.org. I will have a supply of Mexican bat stickers with me. $1.50 for large (about the size of the traditional American yellow rectangular bat stickers), $0.75 for smaller ones. -- Bill Mixon, AMCS sales --- You may Reply to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] another Mexican query
Posted by Bill Mixon: While I have your attention, another matter: I have inquired locally why our pueblo is called Las Cuevas. We are in a zone of igneous rock, along the shores of the former western extent of Lake P�tzcuaro. The story is that a road grader fell into a hole while working, and then the hole was closed up. One story, typical of so many, is that the cave extends as far as Tzintzuntz�n, 5 miles northwest of us. While I have little desire any more in exploring caves, I'd like to know more about whether any of the story is true, and where and how extensive such a cave (if any) might be. Saludos, Mike Warshauer Las Cuevas, Michoac�n, M�xico warshauer.mich...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Gmail and the Sector 6 fiasco
Wow! Shouldnt have praised it. Looks like I only Jinxed it! -WaV On 4/9/07, Mark Passerby caves...@gmail.com wrote: You better check out Sector 6 lockups going on with Gmail right now.hell 1/2 my attachments will open the other 1/2 won't then some will then the same one won't. It has been 2 days now and not a peep from Google. If you choose gmail be aware it is free and there are many out there using it for only personal emails as long as two years that are locked out of their accounts because of Sector 6 and no response from Google..however I just read a long thread of posts from similiarly frustrated folks here is the link http://tinyurl.com/2ryb56 (118 posts just on this set of posts) think before you switch. If it is Free you get what you pay for! I like Google's explanation accidentally disabled lol So if like some of the students in these posts you have lots of attachments to download or accessgood luck... -- Mark Passerby
Re: [Texascavers] Gmail and the Sector 6 fiasco
Mark couldn't be more correct. Google has no responsibility to provide free email service to anyone, and even if they do, they are not obligated to keep it running all the time. Nothing is free, Google is the equivalent of a digital drug dealer. They give their product (in this case email) for free for a while, but if you want an eye opener, sit down and read their license agreement sometime. Like having your messages scanned for keywords so that advertisements can be targeted to you or terrorist words can be passed on to the authorities. Oh, and that great product Google Earthwell, you get the picture (you leave a trail of the places visited). This email will self destruct in n minutes. AA On 4/9/07, Mark Passerby caves...@gmail.com wrote: You better check out Sector 6 lockups going on with Gmail right now.hell 1/2 my attachments will open the other 1/2 won't then some will then the same one won't. It has been 2 days now and not a peep from Google. If you choose gmail be aware it is free and there are many out there using it for only personal emails as long as two years that are locked out of their accounts because of Sector 6 and no response from Google..however I just read a long thread of posts from similiarly frustrated folks here is the link http://tinyurl.com/2ryb56 (118 posts just on this set of posts) think before you switch. If it is Free you get what you pay for! I like Google's explanation accidentally disabled lol So if like some of the students in these posts you have lots of attachments to download or accessgood luck... -- Mark Passerby - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Gmail and the Sector 6 fiasco
On 4/10/07, addi...@caveresource.com addi...@caveresource.com wrote: Mark couldn't be more correct. Google has no responsibility to provide free email service to anyone, and even if they do, they are not obligated to keep it running all the time. Nothing is free, Google is the equivalent of a digital drug dealer. They give their product (in this case email) for free for a while, but if you want an eye opener, sit down and read their license agreement sometime. Like having your messages scanned for keywords so that advertisements can be targeted to you or terrorist words can be passed on to the authorities. Oh, and that great product Google Earthwell, you get the picture (you leave a trail of the places visited). Actually, most software license agreements are a real shock. Much of it is unenforcable or hasn't been tested in the courts, though. Google would be dead beef it they didn't keep their mail service running. Those targeted ads are what makes their business. Anyway, if you're really afraid of your email service going away, set your system up to send a copy of your mail to another system. Also, set up your DNS to have a secondary MX catch your mail if your primary is down. With all the free services available today, it's quite trivial to set yourself up with a backup email account. George
RE: [Texascavers] Rope Recycle
Preston Forsythe said: What we have done in the past in Mexico is simply give the old rope to someone who could use it, especially someone with burros. We still do that. Did it at Christmas with three retired climbing ropes. Makes firends for life in poor mountain vilages. Caving rope is good too, of course, no matter how ratty. Much better way to get rid of rope than melting it down! Mark Minton - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT temporary tags
Do any of y'all know where I could find info about temp tags for a boat? I tried looking on the TexDOT website but no luck. Dont wanna have to pay the whole 1 year price cause I'm just towing it from Austin to Mexico. Thanks in advance Nico
[Texascavers] TSS work session
Cavers, There is a scheduled work session of the Texas Speleological Survey tomorrow, Wednesday, April 11th, at the JJ Pickle Research Center on Burnet Road north of highway 183. We will be working on filing new cave descriptions and general map organization. You will be able to work on your own projects as well. The door will be open at 5:00 p.m. and stay open till we adjourn. If you have questions, please go to http://www.utexas.edu/tmm/sponsored_sites/tss/tsscalendar.htm or contact me at ronra...@austin.rr.com or call my cell phone. The TSS office phone is 475-8802 if you get lost or stopped by the guard. Remember that you must arrive before 6:00 pm, or the gate guards might not let you in! We'll probably work until 8:30 or 9:00pm. Ron Ralph Cell: 797-3817
[Texascavers] more new chinese LED lights
Target Store just got in a bunch of new LED lights. One of them is good enough for a fuzzy-faced ho-dag. There is a 3 watt LED lamp with a new K2 bulb.It has some similarites to the Apex, however, there are no 5 mm LEDs. It has a red rear LED with its own switch and the the primary light has 4 settings which is incredible for a headlamp of this quality for under $ 25. You could go in just about any cave with a headlamp like this. Energizer has a 1 watt LED flashlight that is rechargeable with a 120 volt adapter.It does not say what kind of batteries are inside. There was also a new 6 watt flashlight by Dorcy different from the one I purchased last week. There was a keychain LED light with a tiny dynamo crank. However, it is slightly too big to carry in your pocket, but the ladies can carry it in their purses. Or maybe you could take it caving for an emergency light. There was a new 3 watt small flashlight. There were 2 or 3 other new flashlights, but none of them stood out as anything different.Most of them used three AAA batteries. The chinese haven't given up on cheap incandescent flashlights.Target has 4 new super-cheap flashlights with a Xenon bulb, and a thick rubber shell. These would be great for those caving trips where your flashlight is going to get some abuse. Look for the Lumilite brand.This product line is called Zenon. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Polybottles
Gill, I agree with most of what you said except that Plexiglass is the brand name for Acrylic with other manufacturers making Acrylic as well. Lexan is GE's brand name for their Polycarbonate, Mobay and Dow have their brands of Polycarbonate as well. Don Formanek -- Gill Ediger gi...@worldnet.att.net wrote: I think we should keep in mind that Nalgene may make several kinds of bottles now--all called Nalgene, which I always thought was a name for the type of plastic (HPDE??) they used. But apparently not; instead it's the name of the company that makes um. I'm not sure what you're calling Lexan. Lexan is a bullet-proof, long molecule, clear (can be pigmented) polycarbonate (or related material) that looks and acts pretty much like plexiglas (which is a polycarbonate). I've seen some storage containers and appliance hoppers (as for blenders and food processors) that were clear, hard, and inflexible that could have been Lexan. There may be a more flexible variety for lab use?? In my kitchen a cursory check reveals 4 types of food, drug, liquid containers: PETE--clear, thin, moderately flexible, crackles loudly when crushed. Food and drug bottles and jars, small to large. These are the pressurized bottles that carbonated soft drinks come in, as well as regular bottled water. They seem to impart no plastic taste. The ones for drugs (aspirin, etc) have white pigment. PE in my book stands for Polyethylene. What the TE stands for is a mystery for the moment. LDPE--not clear, but transparent (slightly milky to translucent, can see all the way through), easily flexible and silent when squeezed. Used for squeeze bottles--mustard, catsup, honey. I think LDPE may stand for Low Density Polyethylene??? HDPE--milky, translucent, less flexible than LDPE, more than PETE, doesn't crackle from a gentle squeeze, but does if you try to crush it flat. These are what milk comes in. The railroad used to supply us with drinking water packed in HDPE bottles. The water tasted like plastic, especially if they'd been left in the sun and gotten hot. Along the same lines, I'd suggest that HDPE stands for High Density Polyethylene?? PP--clear to milky (some pigmented white or blue or other), thin, less flexible than PETE, but doesn't crackle. Tupperware, ice cream tubs, etc. I'm guessing it's Polypropylene?? Somewhere there is something called Linear Polyethylene. You can tear it easily in one direction but not at all in the other. Don't know where it fits in. Additionally, I have non-food containers: V--is this vinyl? Clear, tough but flexible, much like PETE. Contains an adhesive removing solvent. Bad juju. PS--is this Polystyrene? Clear, hard plastic. Cases for VCR tapes and CD/DVD. Styrene is styrofoam. Soft, white, plastic blobs that a lot of coffee cups are made from and which kill marine life. Furthermore: About a year or so ago on another forum that tolerates me, an errant post mentioned that soft-drink bottles (PETE) should not be reused for water bottles on account of some chemical breakdown that takes place after the product is removed. They are intended to be one-time containers. That makes no sense to me, especially if only water is added, but then a lot of the 21st Century doesn't. Has anybody seen that reference? Can anybody come up with the details of it? I have 2-liter PETE bottles that I've been using for water bottles for years (10 or more years). They are out of the sun. I have no compunction about drinking water that has been in them for a year--no noticable flavor. Should I have? Why? I've never noticed that water spoils or goes bad--what nutrients are in it that would feed microbes? I've always enjoyed the flavor of water out of the hose, but sometimes ants or sow bugs come out if you don't let it run for a few seconds. They don't taste bad, but they are certainly surprising and a bit crunchy--and I hope not a scorpion. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: Polybottles
Bob, Polycarbonate is used for bullet proofing but 1/4 thick would only stop small caliber bullets with lower velocities like 22 and 25 caliber. Many times for applications like bullet proofing they will make a laminate of several different materials. Don Formanek -- Bob West rawest...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Mark Minton Not as far as I know. Lexan is always hard and inflexible. Lexan does have the ability to flex. I bought some Lexan about 1/4 inch thick from a small company in a warehouse district in Irving, TX that made bullet-proof display cases for museums and jewelry stores. When a bullet hits it (when it is this thick) it flexes, absorbs the energy and stops the bullet; like a wall of bees wax stopping a fastball. Bob West _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT - the daily gadget report
This post reflects my opinion as to how future cavers are going to enjoy their road-trips to caves. Below is a photo of the latest solid-state hard-drive: http://news.digitaltrends.com/images/stories/2007/3/343/1175015178_500-64GB-18inch-SSD.jpg It is my opinion, that in just a few short years, our car's entertainment system will have one of these hard-drives. It will contain your favorite photo slideshow, your favorite music, your favorite movies, etc.You will be able to download stuff off your laptop or PC straight to it, wirelessly. You will be able to temporarily store your vacation or caving photos until you can get home to your PC. You will be able to copy radio programs or songs onto the SSD. It will contain detailed maps for the integrated navigation system.It may even have more than one SSD, and a slot for a removable one. It seems also plausible that the car's computer will have some sort of black-box technology, with an SSD. Big Brother will be able to monitor your driving habits ( wirelessly ) and ticket you every single time your car breaks a law. Eventually the ticketing process will all be handled without human input. So start saving your money. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Warning about Lidar photos!!
I just tried to access the website with the LIDAR photos Geary e-mailed about: www.danielholmanphotography.com Immediately upon connecting, Norton popped up with a couple of high risk warnings that it blocked activities from that site trying to access my computer. I don't know if there is any real risk or if Norton didn't recognize some legitimate interface, but I disconnected right away. I support the LIDAR project, but also keeping computers virus-free. Don't visit this site unless your anti-virus software is updated and working, or unless you're a lot more tech-savvy than I am and feel confident you can safely figure out what is going on. Sorry to throw cold cave water on Daniel's website and the announcement. George - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Warning about Lidar photos!!
I had the same exact pop-up. Zone Alarm caught Exploit.HTML.IESlice.c and quarantined it. Ya site be infected dude. - Original Message - From: gv...@warpdriveonline.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: gschin...@mindspring.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Warning about Lidar photos!! I just tried to access the website with the LIDAR photos Geary e-mailed about: www.danielholmanphotography.com Immediately upon connecting, Norton popped up with a couple of high risk warnings that it blocked activities from that site trying to access my computer. I don't know if there is any real risk or if Norton didn't recognize some legitimate interface, but I disconnected right away. I support the LIDAR project, but also keeping computers virus-free. Don't visit this site unless your anti-virus software is updated and working, or unless you're a lot more tech-savvy than I am and feel confident you can safely figure out what is going on. Sorry to throw cold cave water on Daniel's website and the announcement. George - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Warning about Lidar photos!!
I run McAfee, and immediately upon clicking the link George referenced, I was told that the software had intercepted a Trojan horse! Too bad - I was really looking forward to the pics. julia -Original Message- From: gv...@warpdriveonline.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: gschin...@mindspring.com Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:05 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Warning about Lidar photos!! I just tried to access the website with the LIDAR photos Geary e-mailed about: www.danielholmanphotography.com Immediately upon connecting, Norton popped up with a couple of high risk warnings that it blocked activities from that site trying to access my computer. I don't know if there is any real risk or if Norton didn't recognize some legitimate interface, but I disconnected right away. I support the LIDAR project, but also keeping computers virus-free. Don't visit this site unless your anti-virus software is updated and working, or unless you're a lot more tech-savvy than I am and feel confident you can safely figure out what is going on. Sorry to throw cold cave water on Daniel's website and the announcement. George - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[Texascavers] LIDAR Photograhs
In February 2007, the TCMA completed the field portions of the LIDAR Survey at Devils Sinkhole. Kevin McGowan was working as the LIDAR Photography and took photos of the walls of the Devils Sinkhole so they would be available to be draped over the LIDAR image, assuming that we can get the computers and LIDAR and digital photographs to all play together. Make sure that you think Kevin at the TSA meeting for donating his time on the project (along with all the volunteerr) Dan Holman was the project photographer who took photos of people working on the project. If you would like to view these photos, he now has many of the photos on his web site for folks to view. To view them, go to the following link www.danielholmanphotography.com Then to view and order prints, then to Devils LIDAR. You will have a choice of three different months. Click on the month of interest and browse through the pictures. As a professional photography, Dan also donated countless hours to the project. Thanks Dan Also, make sure that you catch Allan's presentation on the LIDAR project. You'll be able to view many of Dan's photos up close and personal. Geary Schindel Allan Cobb
