[Texascavers] RE: LED Light

[Minton, Mark]

  Ediger said:

>the light emitted from it is its own entiry as well. But, LED becomes an 
>adjective when used with "LED light" mocifying specifically the type of light.
 
  Some interesting concepts here.  What is an entiry?  And mocifying sounds 
intriguing.  What does that do to light, exactly?  Can we do that to non-LED 
light?  :-)
 
Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] Aboveground & more

[Bill Bentley]

Lets talk about wavelengths of the light..
http://www.fiber-optics.info/articles/dwdm.htm
Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Lindsley" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aboveground & more


> Ediger, I think it's time we cut out all this nonsense about duplication
> of words meaning "light" and start worrying about the color temperature
> of the light itself. I can take bat pictures up close with my LED based
> light, but the last time I tried that with my carbide I burned the
> little sucker!  ;-)
>
>   - Pete
>
> gi...@att.net wrote:
> > Not really. I used to have a problem with the off-handed redundancy of
it, but then careful inspection showed that the LED is a separate item--an
independent noun, and the light emitted from it is its own entiry as well.
But, LED becomes an adjective when used with "LED light" mocifying
specifically the type of light.
> >
> > --Ediger
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: Scott Boyd 
> >> Isn't that phrase redundant, also? (LED = Light Emitting Diode -
therefore:
> >> ...produce Light Emitting Diode light.)
> >>
> >>  Well.. maybe LED light is different, as opposed to incandesent light
or
> >> flouresent light...
> >>
> >>  Scott
> >>
> >> gi...@att.net wrote: LED headlamps produce LED light.
> >>
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Re: [Texascavers] Aboveground & more

[Pete Lindsley]

Ediger, I think it's time we cut out all this nonsense about duplication 
of words meaning "light" and start worrying about the color temperature 
of the light itself. I can take bat pictures up close with my LED based 
light, but the last time I tried that with my carbide I burned the 
little sucker!  ;-)


 - Pete

gi...@att.net wrote:

Not really. I used to have a problem with the off-handed redundancy of it, but then 
careful inspection showed that the LED is a separate item--an independent noun, and the 
light emitted from it is its own entiry as well. But, LED becomes an adjective when used 
with "LED light" mocifying specifically the type of light.

--Ediger

-- Original message --
From: Scott Boyd 
Isn't that phrase redundant, also? (LED = Light Emitting Diode - therefore: 
...produce Light Emitting Diode light.)
 
 Well.. maybe LED light is different, as opposed to incandesent light or 
flouresent light...
 
 Scott


gi...@att.net wrote: LED headlamps produce LED light. 





   
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Re: [Texascavers] Aboveground & more

[gille]

Not really. I used to have a problem with the off-handed redundancy of it, but 
then careful inspection showed that the LED is a separate item--an independent 
noun, and the light emitted from it is its own entiry as well. But, LED becomes 
an adjective when used with "LED light" mocifying specifically the type of 
light.

--Ediger

-- Original message --
From: Scott Boyd 
>
> Isn't that phrase redundant, also? (LED = Light Emitting Diode - therefore: 
> ...produce Light Emitting Diode light.)
>  
>  Well.. maybe LED light is different, as opposed to incandesent light or 
> flouresent light...
>  
>  Scott
> 
> gi...@att.net wrote: LED headlamps produce LED light. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Aboveground & more

[gille]

Only in that it would be specific to that produced by an LED lamp. It's still 
your basic photons, I suppose.

--Ediger

-- Original message --
From: "John P. Brooks" 
>
> Is there a specific type of light called LED light? Or is light just light?
> Please enlighten us.
> 
> 
> On 6/5/07 9:43 AM, "gi...@att.net"  wrote:
> 
> >> Brian Vauter wrote:
> > 
> > It should also be pointed out that the devices (electric or carbide or
> > whatever) that produce light are correctly named "lamps," not "lights."
> > "Light" is the esoteric stuff that the lamps produce which enable us to see 
> > in
> > the otherwise darkness of caves. LED headlamps produce LED light.
> > 
> > There are a good many other such caving terms of which discussion would 
> > offer
> > some degree of entertainment and enlightenment. But as most cavers are not
> > much interested in gramatical correctness I don't envision a great deal of
> > literary improvement resulting from it.
> > 
> > --Ediger
> > 
> 



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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[Katherine Arens]

And NPR makes a LOT of its stuff available directly;  also KUT.ORG in 
Austin makes a lot of local music availalbe that way (has npr links, 
too).  All podcast, all the time!

-k

David, and others,
You *can* download spanish educational materials to your iPod, and 
it is free. If you go to the iTunes website, or use the 'store' 
feature in iTunes, you can access the iPod directory, and look in 
the education category. There are several. You can download 
individual episodes, or subscribe to a podcast using the iTunes 
software, which is free. Try the search function, and include the 
word "podcast", or just browse through the podcast directory by 
category. The trick is to hit "view all" and not the just the most 
popular or staff favorites.  Many of the podcasts will be video, and 
they don't exactly differentiate. I can't use video on my iPod. I 
listen to This Week In Science, which Ms. Tomchick turned me onto - 
twice a week now! I love that darn show. I listen to podcasts all 
the time from my iTunes software on my computer at work at my desk. 
This American Life, Marketplace, Mysterious Universe, Sierra Club 
Radio, Innoculated Mind, They Might be Giants, and Barak Obama's

 occasional podcasts are my favorite. All free! check it out

Kara

- Original Message 
From: "speleoste...@tx.rr.com" 
To: Bill Bentley 
Cc: David Locklear ; Texascavers Mailing List 


Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 11:57:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves


Diana Tomchick downloads Science Friday and other NPR shows to her 
iPod and we listen to them while doing long drives on caving trips. 
They end up beign more popular than music.  I especially like 
listening to such programs when doing the graveyard shift.


Bill

 Bill Bentley  wrote:

 > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
 >
 Makes a pretty fair (but expensive) doorstop...

 Bill
 - Original Message -
 From: "David Locklear" 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:15 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves


 > There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
 > as an MP3 file on your iPod.
 >
 > Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
 > your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
 > caver e-mail from all over the world.
 >
 > I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
 > there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
 > programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
 > an iPod.
 >
 > http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm
 >
 > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
 >
 > David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[John P Brooks]

Are any caving related "podcasts" being produced?

Kara Savvas  wrote:  David, and others,
You *can* download spanish educational materials to your iPod, and it is free. 
If you go to the iTunes website, or use the 'store' feature in iTunes, you can 
access the iPod directory, and look in the education category. There are 
several. You can download individual episodes, or subscribe to a podcast using 
the iTunes software, which is free. Try the search function, and include the 
word "podcast", or just browse through the podcast directory by category. The 
trick is to hit "view all" and not the just the most popular or staff 
favorites. Many of the podcasts will be video, and they don't exactly 
differentiate. I can't use video on my iPod. I listen to This Week In Science, 
which Ms. Tomchick turned me onto - twice a week now! I love that darn show. I 
listen to podcasts all the time from my iTunes software on my computer at work 
at my desk. This American Life, Marketplace, Mysterious Universe, Sierra Club 
Radio, Innoculated Mind, They Might be Giants, and Barak Obama's
occasional podcasts are my favorite. All free! check it out

Kara

- Original Message 
From: "speleoste...@tx.rr.com" 
To: Bill Bentley 
Cc: David Locklear ; Texascavers Mailing List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 11:57:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves


Diana Tomchick downloads Science Friday and other NPR shows to her iPod and we 
listen to them while doing long drives on caving trips. They end up beign more 
popular than music. I especially like listening to such programs when doing the 
graveyard shift.

Bill

 Bill Bentley wrote: 
> > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> > 
> Makes a pretty fair (but expensive) doorstop...
> 
> Bill
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Locklear" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves
> 
> 
> > There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
> > as an MP3 file on your iPod.
> > 
> > Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
> > your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
> > caver e-mail from all over the world.
> > 
> > I don't believe this is going to be a success. But I do believe
> > there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
> > programming. I would like to try learning more Spanish on
> > an iPod.
> > 
> > http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm
> > 
> > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> > 
> > David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[Diana Tomchick]

I can also download my calendar (iCal) to my iPod.

Lots of Universities (including medical schools) are supplying taped  
lectures as MP3 files for students, suitable for use with any MP3  
player.


Several museums around the world are also publishing MP3 guides to  
their collections. You can download the files before you visit.


I predict that soon there will be a monthly caving podcast available  
for free download. It might even originate from Texas.


Diana

On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:15 AM, David Locklear wrote:


There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
as an MP3 file on your iPod.

Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
caver e-mail from all over the world.

I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have  
educational

programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
an iPod.

http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm

Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[Gregg]

Blimey, we could all hear David talk about lights in the voice of 
Stephen Hawking!


Or can we get different voices?  I can just hear Mixon speaking with a 
British accent!  Or Ediger talking in a sweet female voice.  The 
possibilities are. . . really damn funny.



Gregg




David Locklear wrote:

There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
as an MP3 file on your iPod.

Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
caver e-mail from all over the world.

I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
an iPod.

http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm

Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[Kara Savvas]

David, and others,
You *can* download spanish educational materials to your iPod, and it is free. 
If you go to the iTunes website, or use the 'store' feature in iTunes, you can 
access the iPod directory, and look in the education category. There are 
several. You can download individual episodes, or subscribe to a podcast using 
the iTunes software, which is free. Try the search function, and include the 
word "podcast", or just browse through the podcast directory by category. The 
trick is to hit "view all" and not the just the most popular or staff 
favorites.  Many of the podcasts will be video, and they don't exactly 
differentiate. I can't use video on my iPod. I listen to This Week In Science, 
which Ms. Tomchick turned me onto - twice a week now! I love that darn show. I 
listen to podcasts all the time from my iTunes software on my computer at work 
at my desk. This American Life, Marketplace, Mysterious Universe, Sierra Club 
Radio, Innoculated Mind, They Might be Giants, and Barak Obama's
 occasional podcasts are my favorite. All free! check it out

Kara

- Original Message 
From: "speleoste...@tx.rr.com" 
To: Bill Bentley 
Cc: David Locklear ; Texascavers Mailing List 

Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2007 11:57:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves


Diana Tomchick downloads Science Friday and other NPR shows to her iPod and we 
listen to them while doing long drives on caving trips.  They end up beign more 
popular than music.  I especially like listening to such programs when doing 
the graveyard shift.

Bill

 Bill Bentley  wrote: 
> > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> > 
> Makes a pretty fair (but expensive) doorstop...
> 
> Bill
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Locklear" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves
> 
> 
> > There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
> > as an MP3 file on your iPod.
> > 
> > Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
> > your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
> > caver e-mail from all over the world.
> > 
> > I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
> > there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
> > programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
> > an iPod.
> > 
> > http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm
> > 
> > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> > 
> > David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[speleosteele]

Diana Tomchick downloads Science Friday and other NPR shows to her iPod and we 
listen to them while doing long drives on caving trips.  They end up beign more 
popular than music.  I especially like listening to such programs when doing 
the graveyard shift.

Bill

 Bill Bentley  wrote: 
> > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> > 
> Makes a pretty fair (but expensive) doorstop...
> 
> Bill
> - Original Message - 
> From: "David Locklear" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves
> 
> 
> > There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
> > as an MP3 file on your iPod.
> > 
> > Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
> > your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
> > caver e-mail from all over the world.
> > 
> > I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
> > there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
> > programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
> > an iPod.
> > 
> > http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm
> > 
> > Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> > 
> > David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[Bill Bentley]

> Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> 
Makes a pretty fair (but expensive) doorstop...

Bill
- Original Message - 
From: "David Locklear" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves


> There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
> as an MP3 file on your iPod.
> 
> Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
> your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
> caver e-mail from all over the world.
> 
> I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
> there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
> programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
> an iPod.
> 
> http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm
> 
> Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?
> 
> David Locklear
> 
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[Texascavers] OT - the future of cave listserves

[David Locklear]

There is a new software that will let you listen to your e-mail
as an MP3 file on your iPod.

Theoretically, you could have all your caving related e-mail on
your iPod. You could go jogging or caving and listen to
caver e-mail from all over the world.

I don't believe this is going to be a success.But I do believe
there is a great potential for portable audio devices to have educational
programming.I would like to try learning more Spanish on
an iPod.

http://www.spanish.bz/ipod.htm

Is anybody out there using their iPod, for something other than music?

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] OT - hybrid car news

[David Locklear]

http://www.mitfuso.com/pages/news-hevconcept.html


Honda has discontinued the Accord Hybrid.  Maybe it will be easier
to find those cheaper now?Or will they become a collector's item,
and the price will go up?

I think Honda gave up too early on their hybrid design for the Accord,
or at least they didn't market it effectively.

For example, they could have easily come out with an Accord Station-wagon.
That would have had little competition.Or they could have made something
like an "El Camino,"  - half-car & half-truck. Or how about a convertible?
Or how about making the body more sporty looking.I am sure they considered
something, but it must have seemed to risky.

Either way, it got the worst mileage of all the hybrids and was more
expensive than the other hybrid-sedans. In my view, someone
willing to spend $ 33,000 on a vehicle, is not going to buy an Accord,
even if it has all the modern features.I am curious if the Lexus
sedans will meet the same fate in 2 years.


General Motors announced today that they have awarded contracts to 2 lithium-ion
battery companies, and hope to have a hybrid on the market in 3 years.One
of those companies is in Troy, Michigan.

http://www.hybridcenter.org/

http://hybridcar.newsonly.org/

David Locklear

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RE: [Texascavers] RE: El Malpais lava tubes

[Fritz Holt]

 

Does the word sources make lights acceptable?

 

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From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:34 AM
To: Minton, Mark; txcaver
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: El Malpais lava tubes

 

 

Here's some info I found at their website, Geary:

 

http://www.nps.gov/elma/index.htm

 

Can I go into any wild cave that I want?
Caving is permitted in the following: Junction Cave, Xenolith Cave, Four
Windows Cave and Big Skylight Cave. Braided Cave is closed from May -
September to protect a bat species of concern. You will need to bring
your own equipment to explore these caves: hard hat, leather gloves,
three non-heat producing sources of lights, layered clothing,and wear
sturdy hiking boots.

Entry into all other caves requires a permit well in advance of your
visit. Contact monument headquarters at (505)285-4641 for more
information on obtaining permits.

 

 

 

Mark (A.)

 

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From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:17 AM
To: txcaver
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: El Malpais lava tubes

  Geary Schindel said:


>Has anyone been caving in the lava tubes at El Malpais National
Monument in northern New Mexico.  I'll be up there with a group of folks
and I noted that they have a number of wild lava tubes that are open to
the public.  Anyone have any information on the caves.

 

  The Malpais project is run by Victor Polyak and Paula Provencio of
Albuquerque.  They have regular monthly trips.  You can contact them at
.  There are both vertical and horizontal caves.  See
the Sandia Grotto web page at
.

 

Mark Minton

RE: [Texascavers] RE: El Malpais lava tubes

[mark . alman]

 
Here's some info I found at their website, Geary:
 
http://www.nps.gov/elma/index.htm
 
Can I go into any wild cave that I want?
Caving is permitted in the following: Junction Cave, Xenolith Cave, Four
Windows Cave and Big Skylight Cave. Braided Cave is closed from May -
September to protect a bat species of concern. You will need to bring
your own equipment to explore these caves: hard hat, leather gloves,
three non-heat producing sources of lights, layered clothing,and wear
sturdy hiking boots.

Entry into all other caves requires a permit well in advance of your
visit. Contact monument headquarters at (505)285-4641 for more
information on obtaining permits.

 
 
 
Mark (A.)



From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:17 AM
To: txcaver
Subject: [Texascavers] RE: El Malpais lava tubes


  Geary Schindel said:

>Has anyone been caving in the lava tubes at El Malpais National
Monument in northern New Mexico.  I'll be up there with a group of folks
and I noted that they have a number of wild lava tubes that are open to
the public.  Anyone have any information on the caves.
 
  The Malpais project is run by Victor Polyak and Paula Provencio of
Albuquerque.  They have regular monthly trips.  You can contact them at
.  There are both vertical and horizontal caves.  See
the Sandia Grotto web page at
.
 
Mark Minton

[Texascavers] RE: El Malpais lava tubes

[Minton, Mark]

  Geary Schindel said:

>Has anyone been caving in the lava tubes at El Malpais National Monument in 
>northern New Mexico.  I'll be up there with a group of folks and I noted that 
>they have a number of wild lava tubes that are open to the public.  Anyone 
>have any information on the caves.

  The Malpais project is run by Victor Polyak and Paula Provencio of 
Albuquerque.  They have regular monthly trips.  You can contact them at 
.  There are both vertical and horizontal caves.  See the 
Sandia Grotto web page at .

Mark Minton

RE: [Texascavers] El Malpais lava tubes

[mark . alman]

Email me, as well, as we've been interested in going there.
 
Better yet, post it here, as gas mileage talk and above
ground/underground caves talk seems to have run its course.
 
 
Later,
 
Mark
 
 



From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:17 AM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] El Malpais lava tubes



Has anyone been caving in the lava tubes at El Malpais National Monument
in northern New Mexico.  I'll be up there with a group of folks and I
noted that they have a number of wild lava tubes that are open to the
public.  Anyone have any information on the caves.

 

Email offline if you wish.

 

Thanks,

 

Geary Schindel

 

 

[Texascavers] El Malpais lava tubes

[Geary Schindel]

Has anyone been caving in the lava tubes at El Malpais National Monument
in northern New Mexico.  I'll be up there with a group of folks and I
noted that they have a number of wild lava tubes that are open to the
public.  Anyone have any information on the caves.

 

Email offline if you wish.

 

Thanks,

 

Geary Schindel