[Texascavers] TV's old

[quinta]

Use them for dvd's or games.  Give them to some grandchild or so on to play on. 
I will keep mine in the bedroom to watch movies on.
Quinta

[Texascavers] OT - new tube TV's

[David Locklear]

This post is about tube TV's ( not the flat-screens )

Most of the tube TV's in stores have a label on them
that says SDTV.

We have a small one.

One of the annoying things is that when you
click on a channel, you get a blank blue
screen, and then a few seconds later a picture
finally appears.

Sometimes the picture is so choppy that you
can't watch it.And sometimes it cuts
off completely.   Digital shows occasionally
appear as rectangles on the screen, even
when the signal is good.

Another feature is that the screen no
longer says "Channel 13"   Each channel
can have multiple sub-channels.   So it
will say something like "Channel 13-1"
or "Channel 13-2," etc.The major channels
has one of these devoted to weather which
is good.

My wife and daughter hate this TV.   They
say it is too complicated to watch.   I have
to agree.Who wants stress when watching
TV?

Strangely, the only channels that come
in clear are the analog Spanish shows.

After you buy a new TV, I think
you are going to want to also upgrade your
rabbit ears, or pay for cable.

No matter what TV you have, there are so many
frickin commercials now, that watching a TV
program sucks.And that doesn't include
all the subliminal commercials hidden in the
show.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] OT - new tube TV's

[Don Cooper]

David -
Didn't anyone tell you?  SDTV is SPANISH Digital Television...
-WaV

On Jan 5, 2008 12:22 PM, David Locklear  wrote:

> This post is about tube TV's ( not the flat-screens )
>
> Most of the tube TV's in stores have a label on them
> that says SDTV.
>
>
> Strangely, the only channels that come
> in clear are the analog Spanish shows.
>
>
> David Locklear
>
> -
>
>

[Texascavers] sdtv TV's

[Gill Ediger]

At 02:52 PM 1/5/2008, Don Cooper wrote:

Didn't anyone tell you?  SDTV is SPANISH Digital Television...


I never have figgered out how they taught telephones and radios and 
TVs to speak Spanish and Czech and other foreign languages in the 
first place--'specially French, with all the slobbering and such. Now 
that was high-tech stuff and they could do it a hundred years ago. 
'Splane that if you can.


--Ediger


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[Texascavers] Old TV disposal

[Gill Ediger]

At 01:16 PM 1/5/2008, Louise Power wrote:
The real problem is what to do with the old TVs. About February of 
next year there's going to be a glut on the market. At recyclers 
it's going to cost a pretty penny to get rid of them. Most landfills 
won't take them.


Simple. Take them into the driveway and smash them into tiny pieces 
with your sledge hammer. (Wear your safety glasses.) Sweep up the 
mess and put the residue into a garbage bag and that into the trash 
can for pickup on Tuesday. Problem solved. Times are getting tough; 
we're gonna have to learn to work within the system.


Outa sight; outa mind,
--Ediger


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RE: [Texascavers] Old TV disposal

[Stefan Creaser]

It's easier if you put it in the bag before smashing it!

-Original Message-
From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 2:03 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Old TV disposal

At 01:16 PM 1/5/2008, Louise Power wrote:
>The real problem is what to do with the old TVs. About February of 
>next year there's going to be a glut on the market. At recyclers 
>it's going to cost a pretty penny to get rid of them. Most landfills 
>won't take them.

Simple. Take them into the driveway and smash them into tiny pieces 
with your sledge hammer. (Wear your safety glasses.) Sweep up the 
mess and put the residue into a garbage bag and that into the trash 
can for pickup on Tuesday. Problem solved. Times are getting tough; 
we're gonna have to learn to work within the system.

Outa sight; outa mind,
--Ediger



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RE: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Pekins, Charles E Mr CIV USA IMCOM]

Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED 
Caveats: NONE

 Usage of caves by bats depends upon  several factors, two of the most
important (which are likely linked) are ceiling temperature/passage
humidity and life cycle stage (hibernating and popping out pups).
Layered upon the 2 big factors are several smaller factors like
ceiling/wall architecture (domes, ledges, etc), cave length, cave depth,
passage orientation, passage dimensions, cave streams, cave pools,
overall cave architecture, surface topography, dominant surface winds,
vegetation encroachment around entrances...it gets messy and complicated
quickly! But all of these factors combine (some more than others) to
help direct bats to an ideal roost site based upon temperature
requirements and life cycle stage (warm moist areas for the naked pups
or cool/cold areas for hibernation). 

Some bats cluster near entrances while some may be found several km into
the passage...it all depends upon the mess mentioned above and what
humans have done or are doing to the cave (messing with air flow,
disturbing the bats, etc.).

Bat caves are very exciting places to investigate and study, although
some cavers fell they ruin a perfectly good cave. 

-Original Message-
From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@io.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

someone mentioned to me a trivial pursuit question regarding what 
mammal lives in caves?  the answer of course is bats . . .   which 
got me to wondering if bats habitually live any further into a cave than
the bears, cats etc which use caves as dens.  I've personally seen
evidence of mice thriving way past the light zone and a climb or two
down . . .

Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Dave H. Crusoe]

and jikes, I'd imagine that some bats think the same about us: "oh,  
bat caves are very exciting places to live, but these silly humans  
ruin a perfectly good home/environment/planet" ...





Bat caves are very exciting places to investigate and study, although
some cavers fell they ruin a perfectly good cave.

-Original Message-
From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@io.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 3:50 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

someone mentioned to me a trivial pursuit question regarding what
mammal lives in caves?  the answer of course is bats . . .   which
got me to wondering if bats habitually live any further into a cave  
than

the bears, cats etc which use caves as dens.  I've personally seen
evidence of mice thriving way past the light zone and a climb or two
down . . .

Nancy

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Re: RE: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice (UNCLASSIFIED)

[bcow911]

Long and Short of it. Some bats live in the twilight zone area (entrances) some 
live very deep in the cave IE Honey Creek I'm sure folks have had bats land on 
them deep in the spring entrance of Honey Creek. Some bats of the same species 
don' live in caves at all some live in bridges,tree bark,palm frawns,barns, 
window frames,etc etc etc

Bob Cowell/Treasurer Bexar Grotto/Land Steward Bracken Cave 
5806 Cactus Sun San Antonio,Tx 78244-1260 
HP 210-662-9171 Cell 210-724-9365 WP 210-655-2144 

RE: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears

[Louise Power]

You guys (not just you, Gill) are not getting it. The broadcast of analog TV 
signals will be no more as of March 1, 2009. Your rabbit ears will be useless. 
It's not the frequencies, it's the fact that it will be broadcast digitally. As 
Mark Minton said: "It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also digital 
rather than analogue, which is the important change.  Your old rabbit ears 
would be useless."
 
For additional information, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television
 
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:21:52 -0500> To: texascavers@texascavers.com> From: 
> gi...@worldnet.att.net> Subject: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears> > At 05:54 PM 
> 1/4/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:> > Don Cooper said:> > >I'm wondering if my old 
> rabbit ears will work with digital - as I > > understand its a different set 
> of frequencies> > It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also 
> digital > > rather than analogue, which is the important change. Your old > > 
> rabbit ears would be useless.> > You gotta have some kinda antenna. I'm 
> guessing that if the > frequencies are different, they will be a whole lot 
> shorter. That > means all ya gotta do is chop your rabbit ears off a to be a 
> lot shorter also.> > --Ediger> > > 
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Fwd: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears

[Don Cooper]

(rebroadcast)

-- Forwarded message --
From: Don Cooper 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Jan 5, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears
To: Louise Power 


Louise -
Please understand.  Digital is STILL a broadcast signal.  It still
originates from a TRANSMITTER - it is still received on a ANTENNA.  It uses
the same physics!
(Which is cool, because other than a HD television - you don't need cable or
a satellite dish to pick up your local TV station's HD broadcast - (just an
antenna).)
Whether AM, FM, PCMA or DIGITAL, *It is still an electromagnetic waveform.

*Consider that many old cell phones worked with digital or analog signals -
they used the same antenna in both modes.
If the digital frequencies *ARE *in the UHF band - then the little UHF loop
will do just fine to bring in digital signals! (Which is pretty much what I
was asking in the first place!)

WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY, KENNETH?
-WaV


On Jan 5, 2008 12:31 PM, Louise Power  wrote:

>  You guys (not just you, Gill) are not getting it. The broadcast of analog
> TV signals will be no more as of March 1, 2009. Your rabbit ears will be
> useless. It's not the frequencies, it's the fact that it will be broadcast
> digitally. As Mark Minton said: "It is a different set of frequencies, *but
> it is also digital rather than analogue, which is the important change.
> Your old rabbit ears would be useless."*
> **
> For additional information, see:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television
>
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:21:52 -0500
> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > From: gi...@worldnet.att.net
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears
> >
> > At 05:54 PM 1/4/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
> > > Don Cooper said:
> > > >I'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will work with digital - as I
> > > understand its a different set of frequencies
> > > It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also digital
> > > rather than analogue, which is the important change. Your old
> > > rabbit ears would be useless.
> >
> > You gotta have some kinda antenna. I'm guessing that if the
> > frequencies are different, they will be a whole lot shorter. That
> > means all ya gotta do is chop your rabbit ears off a to be a lot shorter
> also.
> >
> > --Ediger
> >
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RE: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears

[Stefan Creaser]

It may be digital content, but it's still transmitted in an analog way.
So you can receive it but not necessarily decode it into a useable
format, hence the box.

 



From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:32 PM
To: Gill Ediger; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears

 

You guys (not just you, Gill) are not getting it. The broadcast of
analog TV signals will be no more as of March 1, 2009. Your rabbit ears
will be useless. It's not the frequencies, it's the fact that it will be
broadcast digitally. As Mark Minton said: "It is a different set of
frequencies, but it is also digital rather than analogue, which is the
important change.  Your old rabbit ears would be useless."
 
For additional information, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television
 
  

> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:21:52 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: gi...@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears
> 
> At 05:54 PM 1/4/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
> > Don Cooper said:
> > >I'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will work with digital - as I 
> > understand its a different set of frequencies
> > It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also digital 
> > rather than analogue, which is the important change. Your old 
> > rabbit ears would be useless.
> 
> You gotta have some kinda antenna. I'm guessing that if the 
> frequencies are different, they will be a whole lot shorter. That 
> means all ya gotta do is chop your rabbit ears off a to be a lot
shorter also.
> 
> --Ediger
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears

[Corky]

Follow this link. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html
It states that a UHF antenna should be sufficient. Of course this is a 
.gov website and probably should be viewed with skepticism.

Corky

Louise Power wrote:
You guys (not just you, Gill) are not getting it. The broadcast of 
analog TV signals will be no more as of March 1, 2009. Your rabbit 
ears will be useless. It's not the frequencies, it's the fact that it 
will be broadcast digitally. As Mark Minton said: "It is a different 
set of frequencies, *_but it is also digital rather than analogue, 
which is the important change.  Your old rabbit ears would be useless."_*
** 
For additional information, see: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television
 



> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:21:52 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: gi...@worldnet.att.net
> Subject: [Texascavers] Rabbit Ears
>
> At 05:54 PM 1/4/2008, Minton, Mark wrote:
> > Don Cooper said:
> > >I'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will work with digital - as I
> > understand its a different set of frequencies
> > It is a different set of frequencies, but it is also digital
> > rather than analogue, which is the important change. Your old
> > rabbit ears would be useless.
>
> You gotta have some kinda antenna. I'm guessing that if the
> frequencies are different, they will be a whole lot shorter. That
> means all ya gotta do is chop your rabbit ears off a to be a lot 
shorter also.

>
> --Ediger
>
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[Texascavers] bats cats and mice

[Nancy Weaver]

someone mentioned to me a trivial pursuit question regarding what 
mammal lives in caves?  the answer of course is bats . . .   which 
got me to wondering if bats habitually live any further into a cave 
than the bears, cats etc which use caves as dens.  I've personally 
seen evidence of mice thriving way past the light zone and a climb or 
two down . . .


Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

[Lyndon Tiu]

Nancy Weaver wrote:
someone mentioned to me a trivial pursuit question regarding what mammal 
lives in caves?  the answer of course is bats . . .   which got me to 
wondering if bats habitually live any further into a cave than the 
bears, cats etc which use caves as dens.  I've personally seen evidence 
of mice thriving way past the light zone and a climb or two down . . .





How far do raccoons go in?



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RE: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

[Louise Power]

Nancy, When I worked at Carlsbad Caverns, we found mice and mouse scat in the 
lunchroom. We suspected they hitched a ride on the elevator either somewhere on 
the frame or in the boxes of food which were taken down in the elevator. One 
summer, we also found a couple of mice in one of the trashcans along the trail 
in the Big Room. We also found mice scat along the entrance trail. I'm guessing 
they dine on whatever is available.
 
As far as other mammals go, we often found Bassariscus astutus (the ringtail or 
ringtail cat) scat all the way back to the bat cave. They apparently like to 
dine on fallen pups.  
 
We found all sorts of other things in the elevator. The elevators were sent 
down to the lunchroom level when the Visitor Center closed in the evening. The 
person who opened the Visitor Center in the morning had to take a key and bring 
them back to the surface. One morning I brought them up, the doors to one 
opened and a desert centipede was in the car--a big guy, very fast. I went to 
the restaurant and got a big jar and was finally able to wrangle it into the 
jar. I kept it in the jar on the Natural History Association (sales) counter 
until I could take him out and let it go. (I realize that centipedes are not 
mammals, but interesting story nevertheless.)
 

> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:49:48 -0600> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com> From: 
> nan...@io.com> Subject: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice> > someone mentioned 
> to me a trivial pursuit question regarding what > mammal lives in caves? the 
> answer of course is bats . . . which > got me to wondering if bats habitually 
> live any further into a cave > than the bears, cats etc which use caves as 
> dens. I've personally > seen evidence of mice thriving way past the light 
> zone and a climb or > two down . . .> > Nancy> > 
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[Texascavers] RE: bats cats and mice

[Minton, Mark]

 Nancy Weaver said:


which got me to wondering if bats habitually live any further into a cave than 
the bears, cats etc which use caves as dens.


 The answer is definitely farther in for bats.  I have seen bats and/or bat 
bones _way_ back into caves.  Way farther than it seems like they should need 
to go simply for roosting.  Even though it is much easier for bats to traverse 
cave passage (flying rather than walking/crawling/using ropes, etc.), I have 
seen bats/bones kilometers in and hundreds of meters deep.  Why are they there? 
 Of course what we don't know is whether or not they are coming in some other 
entrance much closer than the one we came from.  I have with few exceptions not 
seen other mammal or reptile remains that far in.  Bats are also smaller than 
most other mammals, and have been know to actually land and crawl through tight 
spaces to get to remote areas.  Why they do that is anybody's guess.

 Lyndon Tiu said:


How far do raccoons go in?


 Hard to say, but 'coons (or rather evidence of them like scat and scratch 
marks) have been found very far back into caves as the caver travels. What we 
don't know, and what I suspect is true, is whether or not they have their own 
entrances that are too small and hidden for us to know about.  I have seen 
evidence of raccoons beyond many drops and other barriers that I doubt they 
surmounted as we did.  Still, I have not seen 'coon evidence nearly as remotely 
as bat evidence.

Mark Minton

Re: [Texascavers] bats cats and mice

[vivbone]

In Borneo I observed that most species of bat which commonly inhabit the caves 
of Gunung Buda (Sarawak, Malaysia), including some cave-roosting fruit bats, 
tend to roost near the entrances. There, it is the swiftlets (birds) which 
travel kms into the caves. They echolocate using clicks. They nest on cave 
walls by building nests with their specialized sticky saliva, and sometimes 
moss. We also observed seriously heavily traveled small rodent trails well into 
the dark zone there. Their little rodent bones practically formed drifts in 
some areas. There are some major snake trails too. The cave racer snakes also 
travel well into the dark zone and hang out at constrictions in the passage to 
catch the swiftlets commuting in and out of the caves. It's pretty impressive.

Back to mammals- British cavers exploring in nearby Mulu National Park had 
reported that their snacks had been chewed into by some mysterious mammal some 
kms underground. We set about trying to trap whatever previously-unknown 
troglobitic slow loris might be present with a pretty good sized rat trap. But 
it turned out that the porcupine we later saw scurrying away was far too big 
for our trap. We saw some really cute brown rats with white bellies in another 
cave. They were hanging out in the dark zone too, but pretty close to 
entrances. They seemed unafraid of us and just went about their rat business as 
long as they were underground and blinded by our lights.

Another time I was overnighting alone just about 200' into the dark zone of a 
small California cave. I made fast friends with a very docile and friendly 
little mouse who would let me pet him. We met when he woke me up chewing my 
Hershey's with Almonds by my ear. I was happy to share.

-Vivian

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[Texascavers] RE: bats cats and mice

[Minton, Mark]

  Vivian said:

>We also observed seriously heavily traveled small rodent trails well into the 
>dark zone there. Their little rodent bones practically formed drifts in some 
>areas. There are some major snake trails too.

  That reminds me that in Powell's Cave we saw major ant trials in active 
use way up the stream passage.  Of course Powell's is a very shallow cave, so 
those ants didn't have all that far to go to get into the cave from above.  
Still, they must have been pretty deep (at least tens of feet) compared to 
normal ants.  Maybe they were there for water...

Mark Minton

RE: [Texascavers] OT: TV Converter Box Coupons

[Louise Power]

No!!! They absolutely will not work with digital. It's a whole different setup. 
BTW, don't believe the BS the networks are putting out that they're converting 
to digital because the pic is so much better. They're not that altruistic. The 
real reason is because they want those other frequencies for other 
uses--emergency radio, etc. Not that that's a bad thing, they're just not 
telling the whole truth.


List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:11:50 -0600From: wavycaver@gmail.comTo: 
power_louise@hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] OT: TV Converter Box 
CouponsCC: texascav...@texascavers.comi'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will 
work with digital - as I understand its a different set of frequencies-WaV
On Jan 4, 2008 1:02 PM, Louise Power < power_lou...@hotmail.com> wrote:

This was sent to me by a cousin. Take it for what you will.

At midnight on February 17, 2009 your analog TV sets will no longer work when 
all full-power television stations in the US stop broadcasting in analog and 
switch to 100% digital broadcasting.  The coupon provided at this link will 
apply toward the purchase of a converter, which which will allow you to keep 
your analog TV sets.  More information and the coupon can be found here: 
 
https://www.dtv2009.gov/Default.aspx

RE: [Texascavers] OT: TV Converter Box Coupons

[Louise Power]

This is true. Also, for the past year or so, new TVs have come with reception 
setups for both analog and digital. You can buy a cheapy TV (less than $200) at 
Wal-mart with both. Those of us with oldies that are still working may still 
opt, at least temporarily, for the converter box. I understand that you can get 
them for less than $75.
 
The real problem is what to do with the old TVs. About February of next year 
there's going to be a glut on the market. At recyclers it's going to cost a 
pretty penny to get rid of them. Most landfills won't take them.


List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:02:51 -0600From: fholt@townandcountryins.comTo: 
Stefan.Creaser@arm.comCC: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: RE: [Texascavers] 
OT: TV Converter Box Coupons








No, and I probably will not redeem mine. The articles that I have read said 
that a converter is not needed for all televisions that utilize cable or 
satellite for reception.
Fritz
 




From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 
2008 4:37 PMTo: Fritz HoltCc: Texas CaversSubject: RE: [Texascavers] OT: TV 
Converter Box Coupons
 
I'm a tax payer but i don't watch TV, does anyone want to buy my coupons off of 
me?
 



From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 
2008 4:27 PMTo: Don Cooper; Louise PowerCc: Texas CaversSubject: RE: 
[Texascavers] OT: TV Converter Box Coupons
Our nutsy government is awarding two of these $40. coupons to every household 
that applies and at taxpayer expense.
As a bona-fide tax payer, I’m calling for my two now!




From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 
4:12 PMTo: Louise PowerCc: Texas CaversSubject: Re: [Texascavers] OT: TV 
Converter Box Coupons
I'm wondering if my old rabbit ears will work with digital - as I understand 
its a different set of frequencies-WaV

On Jan 4, 2008 1:02 PM, Louise Power < power_lou...@hotmail.com> wrote:

This was sent to me by a cousin. Take it for what you will.

At midnight on February 17, 2009 your analog TV sets will no longer work when 
all full-power television stations in the US stop broadcasting in analog and 
switch to 100% digital broadcasting.  The coupon provided at this link will 
apply toward the purchase of a converter, which which will allow you to keep 
your analog TV sets.  More information and the coupon can be found here: 

https://www.dtv2009.gov/Default.aspx
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