Re: [ot_caving] fuel from water

[Terry Holsinger]

Yes, you can crack water into hydrogen and oxygen..however you can 
not make enough quick enough and for the amount of extra electricity 
available in ones vehicle to make any difference. Like ethanol 
production, you put more energy into "making" the fuel then you can get 
out of it.


Terry H.

Nico Escamilla wrote:

Ran into THIS  while browsing craigslist
looking for a used truck.

thoughts?

Nico




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[Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting – May 7, 2008

[garyfranklin2]

UT Grotto meeting – May 7, 2008 
www.utgrotto.org  
 
The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. 
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall 
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html

Vickie Siegel will be sharing photos and stories of her trip to Tabasco.  Come 
out for an exciting presentation of her adventure and explorations.

Carlos Lazcano is in town from Mexico and will share some spectacular photos of 
the crystal cave at Naica.

Contact Gary  v...@utgrotto.orgif you are interested in sharing 10 - 30 
minutes of adventures from your cave related event.

http://www.utgrotto.org/contacts.asp 


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[ot_caving] fuel from water

[Nico Escamilla]

Ran into THIS  while browsing craigslist
looking for a used truck.

thoughts?

Nico

[Texascavers] Colorado Bend SP trip May 9-11th, 2008

[rafal kedzierski]

The Colorado Bend State Park project weekend is up on Come helplocate, 
survey, and produce maps of all the caves on the 5400+ acreproperty. By last 
count, we about 400 caves and karst features inthe park, and no doubt many more 
that still have not been found. Wewill be camping at the cavers' campsite, to 
the right of themain park road, on the road that starts right behind the 
entrancesign.  Feel free to contact us at c...@maverickgrotto.org, or look 
fordirections at http://www.maverickgrotto.org/maps/cbsp.html.  Keith Heuss
and Mark Gee will be in charge, I am in DC for training and unfortunately
wont be able to be there.
 
Rafal Kedzierski
Coordinator, CBSP
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[ot_caving] RE: Don's experience on Ladybird Johnson Lake. (I prefer Town Lake).

[Fritz Holt]

Don,
I enjoyed your narrative. I have had a similar experience having been 
accidentally horsed into a pool by my son-in-law (Steve) but without a 
favorable result. It worked but not reliably and required replacement. It is 
Verizon's disgusting dumb-ass commercials that irritate me even more than TXU 
Energy having Tom Tynan as a spokesperson.
Fritz, a somewhat satisfied AT&T customer.


From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:02 PM
To: OT Texas Cavers
Subject: [ot_caving] Anti-Consumerist Wins Out...

It was last Wednesday when I made the mistake of reaching too deep into Town 
Lake - trying to grab a tossed can of coke that I fumbled a catch on.
As a result, my kayak rolled over and I went for unexpected little swim.
My cell phone was inside a deck map bag - that I had assumed was "watertight".  
It sure wasn't.
The phone appeared to be totally DOA.
I took it out of its goat leather case - removed the battery and crossed my 
fingers.
When I got home I discovered that the lithium ion battery was completely flat 
and that it would not take a charge.
I got on eBay and found that the obsolescence of my 22 month old cell phone (an 
LG VX 4500) just might be a super bonus.
Right away I ordered a battery for it.  The brand-new battery was .99.  
Shipping and handling was 3 dollars.
Today I got the battery in the mail - charged it for half and hour then put it 
in my phone to see if the phone still works.  IT DOES!
(I think I should go ahead and order a few more batteries as spares.)
When this phone was new - these batteries cost 60 dollars at the verizon store!
(Of course it's probably been 18 months since Verizon sold anything compatible 
with the VX4500.)
Verizon's solution to my problem was for me to buy a new phone and extend my 
service contract for another two years.
Holding on to old gear instead of buying the newest flashiest piece of crap 
certainly has its merits!
(VERIZON SUCKS!)
-WaVy

[ot_caving] Anti-Consumerist Wins Out...

[Don Cooper]

It was last Wednesday when I made the mistake of reaching too deep into Town
Lake - trying to grab a tossed can of coke that I fumbled a catch on.
As a result, my kayak rolled over and I went for unexpected little swim.
My cell phone was inside a deck map bag - that I had assumed was
"watertight".  It sure wasn't.
The phone appeared to be totally DOA.
I took it out of its goat leather case - removed the battery and crossed my
fingers.
When I got home I discovered that the lithium ion battery was completely
flat and that it would not take a charge.
I got on eBay and found that the obsolescence of my 22 month old cell phone
(an LG VX 4500) just might be a super bonus.
Right away I ordered a battery for it.  The brand-new battery was .99.
Shipping and handling was 3 dollars.
Today I got the battery in the mail - charged it for half and hour then put
it in my phone to see if the phone still works.  IT DOES!
(I think I should go ahead and order a few more batteries as spares.)
When this phone was new - these batteries cost 60 dollars at the verizon
store!
(Of course it's probably been 18 months since Verizon sold anything
compatible with the VX4500.)
Verizon's solution to my problem was for me to buy a new phone and extend my
service contract for another two years.
Holding on to old gear instead of buying the newest flashiest piece of crap
*certainly* has its merits!
(VERIZON SUCKS!)
-WaVy

[ot_caving] $ 800 LED headlamp

[David]

Are you ready for the $ 800 LED headlamp?

  http://gretnabikes.com/item.asp?cID=0&PID=118

It only puts out 830 lumens.

Lupine's web-site claims it has even brighter versions that
go up to 1400 lumens.  Lupine also claims that have
a special lens you can order that puts out a slightly wider
angle throw of light.

Lupine claims their LED lights have made HID lights
obsolete.


If I were going to spend $ 800 on a headlamp, it would have
to do more that just throw light for a couple of hours.

It would have to be integrated into the design of a carbon-graphite
helmet, where the wires, battery source are sandwiched between
the layers of graphite.  It would have to be waterproof to
10 feet.   The Lupine shaped lens would be flush with a molded
shape protruding from the front of the helmet. The heat sink would
be similar to the design on the new motherboards with copper tubes
radiating along the side of the helmet. Sandwiched in the
layers of graphite would also be other hi-tech systems like
avalanche beacon, data storage, audio port, bluetooth communicator,
satelite receiver, etc.

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] boat, shop, hike, wrestle with killer whales and horseback ride

[Nancy Weaver]

As always, if some of these appeal to you, contact the coordinator 
directly, or you can get in touch with me for further info -


Nancy Weaver
Volunteer Co-ordinator ICS
nan...@io.com
512.847.7422


Joe Mitchelljoemitch...@satx.rr.com Coordinator for 
Cultural and Family Trips


Hey kids:  for those of you who would rather boat, shop, hike, 
wrestle with killer whales and horseback ride than go to meetings or 
caves  here is the perfect volunteer opportunity.  Trip leaders get 
free admission on the outing they lead.  You may sign up for more 
than one.  Projected times leaving and returning to Kerrville next to 
each trip.  Trips with * require the trip leader to drive the van. 


Monday: 1. San Antonio Riverwalk and Alamo (2 trip leaders needed)  9am-5pm
2. Kayaking on Guadalupe (2)*  Not yet established - probably 4-5hrs

Tuesday:1. Sea World (1)  9am-6pm
2. Horseback Riding at YO Ranch (1)  9am-2pm

Thursday:	1. Shopping in Fredericksburg/Hiking at Enchanted 
Rock (1)  10am - 5pm  this one	involves dropping off the shoppers, 
continuing on the E-rock, then picking the shoppers back up on the 
way  home.

2. YO Ranch Tour (1)  9am-2pm

Friday: 1. San Antonio Missions Historical Park (2)  9am-5pm

Saturday:	1. Kayaking on Guadalupe (2)*  Not yet established - 
probably 4-5hrs


REALLY COOL THINGS TO DO BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER
THE INTERNATIONAL CONGRESS OF SPELEOLOGY


Ever wanted to learn how to set up water lines and showers, how to 
build a portable party hot tub or a foot bridge?  Ever wanted to 
learn how to run audio/visual equipment?  Or maybe how to organize an 
international gathering?  This is your opportunity to be backstage, 
behind the scenes, out in front, to be the rock and roll roadie/ cave 
tour guide (make up your very own speleogeology!)  you always wanted 
to be.


We also need folks simply willing to help distribute linens and room 
keys, help monitor the humble port-a-cans and trash depots and 
generally love to be on call for whatever bizarre need may arise. 
Hurry hurry hurry, limited positions available, operators standing by.



 Jon Cradit  Facilities Coordiantor
ics09...@yahoo.com


all sorts of jobs to get the facilities in order, keep them running 
smoothly and clean up afterwards  this qualifies you for the Mother 
Teresa award



Ann Bosted Print Salon Coordinator
bos...@earthlink.net



collect the NSS photo stands from the Florida convention
store, then deliver to the ICS in Kerrville
assemble stands 3 days prior to opening so prints can be hung for 
judging and for final display

build more stands at the ICS, materials provided

This job could be handled by one volunteer or divided up among 
several.  The stands can be knocked down to sheets measuring about 
4'x8', with 2"x2" posts for the legs.  They could fit in the back of 
a large pick-up or go in a trailor.




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"The future enters into us, in order to transform itself in us, long before
 it happens. "-Rainer Maria Rilke

[ot_caving] hybrid car news

[David]

There are rumors floating around now that the electromagnetic field
inside the car of a hybrid
vehicle will cause leukemia in children.

Are there any physicist out there that can
verify that there could possibly be a strong
electromagnetic field in a hybrid car.

What about in a 100 percent electric car?

Can anybody verify that electromagnetic
fields cause damage to the iron in the blood
or some other side effect?

David Locklear

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