Re: [Texascavers] The Battle of the Little Big Horn

[Ted Samsel]

I used to work for "an" historian at TPWD. I used to piss her off by asking if history was "truth" or "facts".
in all truthiness,
T.
-Original Message- From: Stephen Fleming Sent: Jun 28, 2008 10:54 AM To: Chris Vreeland Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Battle of the Little Big Horn On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Chris Vreeland cvreel...@austin.rr.com wrote:


The thing that gets to me is how in white history texts, the word "massacre" is used to describe ay event in which whites were killed by indians, and the word "battle" is used to describe any event in which indians were killed by whites, including army raids on sleeping encampments of women, children  the elderly. I've even seen evidence of this in the roadside historical markers in Texas.
History is not recounted by the losers. Things done by the opponents are heinous; similar actions by the victors are heroic.

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[Texascavers] TSA Membership and General Caver Listing, As Of 6/30/8

[mark . alman]

All,


As a public service at absolutely no cost to you, here's the latest TSA
and General Caver Listings as of June 30th, 2008.

The TSA received several renewals after the last broadcast and the
periodic listing of this seems to be much appreciated.

I've included membership dates for all cavers with a pulse, both TSA
members and non-members. If you ever attended a caving function in the
Lone Star state, you're on this list.

If you could take the time to peruse the rather lengthy list below, you
can see if you're paid up or not, or were ever a member.

If you're currently not a member in good standing, please don't despair
and wail and gnash your teeth.

There's no reason to be a member of the unwashed masses. There's still
hope!


Join the TSA for a measly $20 (cheap!) at: 

http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/join.html


While you're at it, join the NSS, the TCMA, the TCC, the TSS, and any
other worthy group you see listed in the Links section.

Also, if you know some of the folks listed below and they do not have
email, please contact them and beg/threaten them to join or rejoin.

Finally, if y'all could take this list to your respective Grotto
meetings and encourage folks to join or re-up, that would be great!

I will be posting this list monthly, from here on out, to let all know
where they stand with the TSA, when their dues are about to expire, and
to (hopefully) guilt all of you non-members into joining the TSA!


Thanks!

Sincerely,

Mark Alman
TC Editor and TSA Secretary




TSA Membership and General Caver Listing - 6/30/8)  
TSA Year Exp.   Month   LASTNAMEFIRSTNAME
Abercrombie Don
Adams   Leah Jane
Adams   Mary
Addison Aaron
Addison Anica
200612  Albach  Cindy
200612  Albach  Robert
Alcorn  Ardeth
Alcorn  William
Alexander   Brigitte
Alexander   E. Calvin
Alexander   Ed
20049   Alger   Brian
Alger   Susan
Allen   Mary
Allman  Lynn
200810  Alman   Mark
AlspaughMelanie
200811  AndersonBruce
200811  AndersonDonna
AndersonDustin
200810  AndersonMichael
20064   AndersonMichael S.
200510  AndersonTerry
AnguianoJavier
200710  ApplemanLori
20105   Arburn  Don
20095   Arburn  Jenni
Arendy  Jonathan
200810  Arens   Katie
Arnold  Codre
Arriens Tina
200810  AtkinsonGerald
AttoliniFranco
Backman Oz
Bacon   Mike
BaerChloe
Bailey  Joyce E.
Baker   Chris
Baker   Cindy
Baker   Donna
20096   Baker   Randy
Baldauf Jim and Roz
Bales   Michael P.
Balin   Donna
Ballengee   Joe
Ballinger   Royce
Bamberger   J David
Banahan Ben
20046   Barber  Robin
BariteauGloria
BariteauRichard
200710  Barker  Barbe
20095   Barker  Donald
Barksdale   Marcus
20091   Barnard Dale
20091   Baron   Peter 
Baron   Tina
BarsottiNan (Austin)
20095   Bartholomew Roger
Barwick Paul
Bassham Elbert
Batson  Bobby Joe
Bauknecht   Jeff
Bauknecht   Mary Ann
Baxter  Slim
Beach   Anna
Beard   Kevin
Beecher Ward
200810  BellBill
BellDavid
BellJeffrey
200510  Belski  Carol
Belski  Dave
Bennett Carl
Bennett John R.
Bennett Marlo
Bennett Melissa
Bentley Brian P.
Bentley Don
200810  Bentley William (Bill) T.
Berkeley-Jones  Catherine
Berner  Fred
Berner  Lila
BerronesLucile
BerronesOscar
20094   Beveridge   Aimee
Biegert Carolyn
Bigham  Susan
Bilbo   Mike
200810  BillingsSam
20098   Binney  Frank
Bisbal  Leopoldo
20093   Bishop  Darla
20093   Bishop  Robert
200811  Bisset  John
200811  Bisset  Missy
200811  Bisset  Robert
Bittinger   Craig
Bittinger   Mike
Bittinger   Molly
  

[Allcavers] TSA Membership and General Caver Listing, As Of 6/30/8

[mark . alman]

 

All,

 

 

As a public service at absolutely no cost to you, here's the latest TSA
and General Caver Listings as of June 30th, 2008.

 

The TSA received several renewals after the last broadcast and the
periodic listing of this seems to be much appreciated.

 

I've included membership dates for all cavers with a pulse, both TSA
members and non-members. If you ever attended a caving function in the
Lone Star state, you're on this list.

 

If you could take the time to peruse the rather lengthy list below, you
can see if you're paid up or not, or were ever a member.

 

If you're currently not a member in good standing, please don't despair
and wail and gnash your teeth.

 

There's no reason to be a member of the unwashed masses. There's still
hope!

 

 

Join the TSA for a measly $20 (cheap!) at: 

 

http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/join.html

 

 

While you're at it, join the NSS, the TCMA, the TCC, the TSS, and any
other worthy group you see listed in the Links section.

 

Also, if you know some of the folks listed below and they do not have
email, please contact them and beg/threaten them to join or rejoin.

 

Finally, if y'all could take this list to your respective Grotto
meetings and encourage folks to join or re-up, that would be great!

 

I will be posting this list monthly, from here on out, to let all know
where they stand with the TSA, when their dues are about to expire, and
to (hopefully) guilt all of you non-members into joining the TSA!

 

 

Thanks!

 

Sincerely,

 

Mark Alman

TC Editor and TSA Secretary

 

 

 

 

TSA Membership and General Caver Listing - 6/30/8)

TSA Year Exp. Month LASTNAMEFIRSTNAME

Abercrombie Don

Adams Leah Jane

Adams Mary

Addison Aaron

Addison Anica

2006  12Albach  Cindy

2006  12Albach  Robert

Alcorn  Ardeth

Alcorn  William

Alexander   Brigitte

Alexander   E. Calvin

Alexander   Ed

2004  9 Alger Brian

Alger Susan

Allen Mary

Allman  Lynn

2008  10Alman Mark

AlspaughMelanie

2008  11AndersonBruce

2008  11AndersonDonna

AndersonDustin

2008  10AndersonMichael

2006  4 AndersonMichael S.

2005  10AndersonTerry

AnguianoJavier

2007  10ApplemanLori

2010  5 Arburn  Don

2009  5 Arburn  Jenni

Arendy  Jonathan

2008  10Arens Katie

Arnold  Codre

Arriens Tina

2008  10AtkinsonGerald

AttoliniFranco

Backman Oz

Bacon Mike

Baer  Chloe

Bailey  Joyce E.

Baker Chris

Baker Cindy

Baker Donna

2009  6 Baker Randy

Baldauf Jim and Roz

Bales Michael P.

Balin Donna

Ballengee   Joe

Ballinger   Royce

Bamberger   J David

Banahan Ben

2004  6 Barber  Robin

BariteauGloria

BariteauRichard

2007  10Barker  Barbe

2009  5 Barker  Donald

Barksdale   Marcus

2009  1 Barnard Dale

2009  1 Baron Peter 

Baron Tina

BarsottiNan (Austin)

2009  5 Bartholomew Roger

Barwick Paul

Bassham Elbert

Batson  Bobby Joe

Bauknecht   Jeff

Bauknecht   Mary Ann

Baxter  Slim

Beach Anna

Beard Kevin

Beecher Ward

2008  10Bell  Bill

Bell  David

Bell  Jeffrey

2005  10Belski  Carol

Belski  Dave

Bennett Carl

Bennett John R.

Bennett Marlo

Bennett Melissa

Bentley Brian P.

Bentley Don

2008  10Bentley William (Bill) T.

Berkeley-JonesCatherine

Berner  Fred

Berner  Lila

BerronesLucile

BerronesOscar

2009  4 Beveridge   Aimee

Biegert Carolyn

Bigham  Susan

Bilbo Mike

2008  10BillingsSam

2009  8 Binney  Frank

Bisbal  Leopoldo

2009  3 Bishop  Darla

2009  3 Bishop  Robert

2008  11Bisset  John

2008  11Bisset  Missy

2008  11Bisset  Robert

Bittinger   Craig

Bittinger   Mike

Bittinger   Molly

Bittinger   Pat

2008  10Bittinger   Stanley

Blauveilt   Rodney

2004  3 BlaylockLaura

Blevins Alan

BlodgettJim

Blum  Carmi

Blum  Eugene

[Texascavers] new AMCS Activities Newsletter

[Mixon Bill]

Copies of the new AMCS Activities Newsletter 31, 168 pages, will be  
available at the UT Grotto meeting Wednesday night. $14 softbound, $24  
hardbound. Check or exact money would be helpful. Also, a reminder  
that I can take a copy of Kunath's 50 Years of Texas Caving book to  
any meeting on request; $50. -- Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] Paging Christie Rogers

[mark . alman]

 

Christie,

 

Please contact me offline with your new address and whatnot.

 

Your TEXAS CAVER keeps bouncing back to me.

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Alman

Editor

[Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting – July 2, 2008

[garyfranklin2]

UT Grotto meeting – July 2, 2008 
www.utgrotto.org  

The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.
on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html  

Bill Mixon will be showing photos of
Cave of the Crystals at Naica in Chihuahua.

Come out to see exciting photos of formations that are bigger than life and are 
in an area that is difficult to even be exposed to.

Contact Gary if you are interested in presenting any of your cave related 
adventures.
v...@utgrotto.org 


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[Texascavers] for sale: trailor tow side mirror

[Nancy Weaver]

One passenger side electronic telescoping rear view mirror, should 
fit any Ford 250 or 350 truck.  Custom conversion upgrade.  Brand new 
still in bubble wrap.  175$ retail, will sell for 125$.


contact by phone or email

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512.847.7422

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[ot_caving] Shell - new EarthSky Clear Voices for Science podcast

[quinta]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE : June 30, 2008

A leading scientist for Shell has spoken in a new EarthSky Clear Voices for 
Science podcast about the need for what he called aggressive action on the 
issue of CO2 and other emissions leading to global warming.
Chief Technology Officer Jan van der Eijk told a reporter from Earthsky - whose 
science podcasts are heard on broadcast outlets around the world - that the 
increase in energy demand and also the need to use all kinds of sources of 
energy will lead to an increase in CO2 emissions, and we all know that the CO2 
emissions are related to global warming. That's a major concern and also 
something that calls for aggressive action.
In this interview, Dr. van der Eijk described to EarthSky's Jorge Salazar the 
three hard truths of the world's energy use. The first, he said, is simply 
that Earth's population and energy needs will substantially grow. The second is 
that the easy-to-reach oil and gas will struggle to supply that growth. And the 
third hard truth relates to rising CO2 in our atmosphere . What is important 
is that people start to realize that fossil energy is a finite resource, and 
that we need to find ways to use that energy in a more responsible manner, 
said van der Eijk.
A second EarthSky Clear Voices for Science podcast- also released today - 
features Carl Mesters, Chief Scientist of Shell, on the subject of 
gas-to-liquid technology for use in transportation fuels. EarthSky will release 
6 more interviews on global energy over the coming months, featuring such 
topics as biofuels from algae and cellulose, technologies for recovery of 
hard-to-reach oil, and research on carbon sequestration.
Bringing these interviews to our audience is part of our mission to be a clear 
voice for science, said Deborah Byrd, founder and lead producer of EarthSky. 
These interviews will give our audience a unique look at the research, 
insights, concerns and hopes of oil company scientists.
The podcasts are available here:
Jan van der Eijk of Shell on '3 hard truths'
Carl Mesters on gas-to-liquids technology

[Texascavers] the BBC cave video

[David]

The price of the high def ( HD ) version of the BBC cave video
( Planet Series ) has fallen to under 30 dollars.

There are still dozens of them for sale here in Houston at
Fry's.

You can find a 20 HD TV at Sam's for  $ 300, and the
prices continue to drop.

You can order the HD player online for $ 80.

http://www.hddvdboxsets.com/hddvd2-352696011-B000IJV4BC-Toshiba_HD_A2_HD_DVD_Player.html

So for just a little over $ 400, you can watch the cave video in
high definition in your very own home.

Someone should set this video up at the ICS somewhere where
7 or 8 people can lounge around on a couch and watch it and it
should run all day and into the evening every day during the event.
( I will furnish the video and the video player ), but I don't yet have
a flat screen tv.  I am hoping to have one by then.

I would love to watch this video on a 65 LCD TV with
surround sound and a bunch of comfy couches, and a popcorn
machine.  ( Can anybody out there furnish a popcorn machine ? )

On a related note,

Fry's also has the Amazing Caves DVD for only $ 14.99. This
video could be set up running in a different area.

Is anybody out there working on having a display set up like this.

The past few NSS Conventions have attempted this, but I feel there
is room for improvement.

I should be able to help attend to the visitors in the viewing area
after all the electronics are set up.

Would anybody out there be willing to donate a HDMI cable during
the event?   At least 2 would be needed.  You would eventually
get them back.  What about speakers for a surround sound system,
or cables or the receiver?  Could anybody out there donate those
for a week?  I don't know a thing about sound or surround sound
for TV's.

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Re: the BBC cave video

[Alex Sproul]

Locklear said:
Someone should set this video up at the ICS somewhere where
7 or 8 people can lounge around on a couch and watch it and it
should run all day and into the evening every day during the event.

Geez, David!  We did that in Indiana last year, and in Washington in 2006.  
We even showed it on a 10-foot freakin' screen!

I would love to watch this video on a 65 LCD TV with surround sound and 
a bunch of comfy couches, and a popcorn machine.

Go ahead.  Spend the $110 for the player and the movie, strap your new 65 
LCD on top of the car, and I'll meet you in Lake City with a microwave and 
some Orville Redenbacher Movie Theater Butter.  Then you can put the HD 
player and the DVD in the auction.

Alex


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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion 2008

[Alex Sproul]

Allan said:
October 10-12 is the correct date.  No, it is not the traditional third 
weekend 
in October.  I decided to change the date.  Sometimes you just have to be 
flexible.

Ack!  So that means the two bestest caving events of the year -- TCR and 
the TAG Fall Cave-In -- will be head-to-head on the same weekend!

Que lastima!

While it's true that Austin and Atlanta are about 1,000 miles apart, there is 
clearly some cross-pollination between the two events.  I see Sherry and 
Emily Graham were at TCR last year, and though I missed the 2007 TAG, 
there are always a few Tejanos there.

The conflict means I'll have to make a choice, and the energy crisis being as 
it is, I'll have to pragmatically choose the closer event.  The same will be 
true 
for Becky Jones, a damn shame!

Do I correctly assume that Liebman is still showing up?  If he is, it's the 
only 
place.  He didn't even show at OTR last year, which he can spit at from his 
back porch.

Hopefully, Ediger can hop a ride down on a freight train.

Y'all have fun now, y''hear?

Alex



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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion 2008

[John Brooks]

Well...we all know which event will have better BBQ!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Alex Sproul imoca...@comcast.net wrote:

Allan said:
October 10-12 is the correct date.  No, it is not the traditional third weekend 
in October.  I decided to change the date.  Sometimes you just have to be 
flexible.

Ack!  So that means the two bestest caving events of the year -- TCR and 
the TAG Fall Cave-In -- will be head-to-head on the same weekend!

Que lastima!

While it's true that Austin and Atlanta are about 1,000 miles apart, there is 
clearly some cross-pollination between the two events.  I see Sherry and 
Emily Graham were at TCR last year, and though I missed the 2007 TAG, 
there are always a few Tejanos there.

The conflict means I'll have to make a choice, and the energy crisis being as 
it is, I'll have to pragmatically choose the closer event.  The same will be 
true 
for Becky Jones, a damn shame!

Do I correctly assume that Liebman is still showing up?  If he is, it's the 
only 
place.  He didn't even show at OTR last year, which he can spit at from his 
back porch.

Hopefully, Ediger can hop a ride down on a freight train.

Y'all have fun now, y''hear?

Alex



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RE: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion 2008

[Stefan Creaser]

John,

Well I hope you mean TCR! If you don't then please put your name forward
as a cook this year, we'd appreciate your input ;-)

Cheers,
Stefan
(Chief TCR mug^h^h^h cook)

-Original Message-
From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 

Well...we all know which event will have better BBQ!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 30, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Alex Sproul imoca...@comcast.net wrote:

Allan said:
October 10-12 is the correct date.  No, it is not the traditional third
weekend 
in October.  I decided to change the date.  Sometimes you just have to
be 
flexible.

Ack!  So that means the two bestest caving events of the year -- TCR and

the TAG Fall Cave-In -- will be head-to-head on the same weekend!



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