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RE: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico :
I think I would classify any anomaly resulting from human interference "man" made. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:19:12 -0600From: rcrutherford@gmail.comTo: power_louise@hotmail.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico :CC: texascavers@texascavers.comYes, but open pit mines are direct. With the case of sinkholes formed from us removing/swapping stuff from underground, it is indirect. Since a sinkhole lake can form naturally, I was wandering how they get classified and managed. Maybe it is all just semantics, and it doesn't really matter. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Louise Power wrote: In Nevada, the big glory holes from open pit mining often gather seriously acidic water. I would call those manmade...and really dangerous for wildlife and people. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:54:40 -0600From: rcrutherford@gmail.comTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico : If a big sinkhole (one that is caused by human meddling) fills in with water, is that a man-made lake or a natural lake? How does it get classified by state/federal govt? Ron Rutheford On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Louise Power wrote: If this doesn't stop, eastern NM will be just one big sinkhole.-- Ron Rutherford
[ot_caving] a computer game in the news
I think this news story falls under "What is the world coming to? October 23, 2008 A 43-year-old Japanese piano teacher's sudden divorce from her online husband in a virtual game world made her so angry that she logged on and killed his digital persona, police said Thursday. She used his identification and password to log onto popular interactive game "Maple Story" to carry out the virtual murder in mid-May, a police official in northern Sapporo City said on condition of anonymity, citing department policy. "I was suddenly divorced, without a word of warning. That made me so angry," the official quoted her as telling investigators and admitting the allegations. The woman had not plotted any revenge in the real world, the official said. She was charged with illegal access onto a computer and manipulating electronic data, police said. If convicted, she could face a prison term of up to five years or a fine up to $5,000. As in "Second Life" in the U.S., players in "Maple Story" raise and manipulate digital images called "avatars" that represent themselves, while engaging in relationships, social activities and fighting against monsters and other obstacles. The woman used login information she got from the 33-year-old office worker when their characters were happily married, and killed the character. The man complained to police when he discovered that his beloved online avatar was dead. The woman was arrested Wednesday and was taken across the country, traveling 620 miles from her home in southern Miyazaki to be detained in Sappporo, where the man lives, the official said. The police official said he did not know if she was married in the real world. In recent years, virtual lives have had consequences in the real world. In August, a woman was charged in Delaware with plotting the real-life abduction of a boyfriend she met through "Second Life." In Tokyo, police arrested a 16-year-old boy on charges of swindling virtual currency worth $360,000 in an interactive role playing game by manipulating another player's portfolio using a stolen ID and password. Virtual games are popular in Japan, and "Second Life" has drawn a fair number of Japanese participants. They rank third by nationality among users, after Americans and Brazilians. - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico :
Yes, but open pit mines are direct. With the case of sinkholes formed from us removing/swapping stuff from underground, it is indirect. Since a sinkhole lake can form naturally, I was wandering how they get classified and managed. Maybe it is all just semantics, and it doesn't really matter. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Louise Power wrote: > In Nevada, the big glory holes from open pit mining often gather > seriously acidic water. I would call those manmade...and really dangerous > for wildlife and people. > > -- > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:54:40 -0600 > From: rcrutherf...@gmail.com > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New > Mexico : > > > If a big sinkhole (one that is caused by human meddling) fills in with > water, is that a man-made lake or a natural lake? How does it get > classified by state/federal govt? > > Ron Rutheford > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Louise Power wrote: > > If this doesn't stop, eastern NM will be just one big sinkhole. > > -- Ron Rutherford
RE: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico :
In Nevada, the big glory holes from open pit mining often gather seriously acidic water. I would call those manmade...and really dangerous for wildlife and people. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:54:40 -0600From: rcrutherford@gmail.comTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico : If a big sinkhole (one that is caused by human meddling) fills in with water, is that a man-made lake or a natural lake? How does it get classified by state/federal govt? Ron Rutheford On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Louise Power wrote: If this doesn't stop, eastern NM will be just one big sinkhole.
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Re: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico :
If a big sinkhole (one that is caused by human meddling) fills in with water, is that a man-made lake or a natural lake? How does it get classified by state/federal govt? Ron Rutheford On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM, Louise Power wrote: > If this doesn't stop, eastern NM will be just one big sinkhole. > >
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RE: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico :
If this doesn't stop, eastern NM will be just one big sinkhole. From: JerryAtkin@aol.comDate: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:11:30 -0500To: Texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: [Texascavers] Yet another brine well collapse sink in SE New Mexico : Brine well collapses in Eddy County Associated Press - November 3, 2008 8:05 PM ET LOCO HILLS, N.M. (AP) - The state Oil Conservation Division is investigating the collapse of a brine well in northeastern Eddy County. The Loco Hills Water Disposal Co. reported the collapse to state officials Monday. The resulting sinkhole is about 50 feet across and 30 feet deep. County Road 217 is closed as a precaution. Energy, Minerals and Natural Resources Secretary Joanna Prukop ordered a statewide review, internal audit and inspection of all existing brine wells in New Mexico last summer following a brine well collapse near Artesia. The Loco Hills well was closed and plugged three months ago when it failed a mechanical integrity test as part of the statewide review. http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=9287557&nav=AbC0 Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!
RE: [ot_caving] computer news - Windows 3.1
I have long been an Apple fan primarily because I do a lot of graphics. The Apple graphics programs are not really all that good, but the Mac versions of Adobe tops them all. The only problem is that the software is very expensive for Macs. I wish they'd bring it closer to the cost for PCs. I guess the secret is volume. I, however, have needed to learn both systems since the government uses PCs and just this week we had Microsoft Office 2007 pushed out to us from our Denver center. It'll take some getting used to, but ever since PCs and Microsoft adopted the Mac way of using desktop icons and naming docs, they've gotten easier to use.> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:28:39 -0600> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com> To: o...@texascavers.com> Subject: [ot_caving] computer news - Windows 3.1> > Did anybody notice this week that MicroSoft has finally> buried Windows 3.1, and put it in its grave?> > I would like to give sort of an eulogy.> > In 1977, my mother re-married and to a man who> worked for a computer company that had main-frame> computers. He tried to show me computers, but> I was intimidated by them, and didn't see much use> for them except playing a very fun strategy game with X's and O's> called "Star Wars."> > When I got into college in the early 80's, I found> computers to be very frustrating, and boring. When> I first saw the tiny little Apple, I realized with fear, that> I was going to have to learn computers.> > I became pretty good on that little Apple thing, and felt> I knew enough about them to do what was needed at> the time which was preparing reports with cute little> graphic charts. My professors seemed impressed,> as the other students seemed to be still using typewriters.> > The first time I saw Windows 3.1, I said to myself.> "This sucks." The crashing and losing of data, made> me scream. But the college ditched Apple and filled> up all the labs with the crappiest computers on earth.> All of the engineering students seemed glad, but they> had never learned on Apple computers. To them> Windows seemed user friendly.> > Unfortunately, I never really had an opportunity to use> Apple computers again.> > I finally learned with Windows 3.1 to save your file every> 5 minutes, and to always keep backups on floppy disk.> And it has been that way for almost 15 years, except> I have been told, for the people who stuck with Macs.> > I guess in 5 years or less, Microsoft will bury Windows 95,> and later the Windows 98, etc. I guess there is no reason> to release discount nostalgic versions. Would you pay> lots of money for Windows 3.1 if it came in a walnut box> with gold trim?> > David Locklear> > > Permission to repost> > -> Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com> To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com> For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com>
