[NMCAVER] SWR

[John Lyles]

Hi
Did you get a Snowy River presenter? Donald, John b., Me?

John

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[ot_caving] Egypt trivia

[David]

How many pyramids are known to exist in Egypt?

a)   1,211
b)911
c)666
d)118
e) 50

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Fellow in Texas

[Don Cooper]

David, are you an NSS member?

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:02 PM, David  wrote:

> I would like to informally nominate several Houston cavers:
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Fellow in Texas

[David]

I would like to informally nominate several Houston cavers:


1.Harry Walker
2.Jim McLane
3.Kevin McGowan
4.Emily McGowan
5.Kenny McGee
6.Carol McGee
7.George Sanders
8.Tommy Joe
9.Eddie Yonemoto
10.   Carl Philip Fromen
11.  Syd Formanek
12.   Don Formanek

If anyone out there can confirm they are worthy, please feel free to
fill out the nomination request.

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[ot_caving] new powerful LED flashlights

[David]

I mentioned last week that Fry's had a new flashlight called the P6 that
I wanted to test, but don't yet have the money.

Now they have in the P14 and the P17.

http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/theshorelinemarket_2024_15476918

http://www.flashlightoutlet.com/store/pc/catalog/p148414_p14_2226_detail.jpg

Both of these are too big and heavy to take caving.  However, I am "very"
curious about the colators used to diffuse the light. Coast claims they
create a flood pattern.  If so, the P14 might come in handy on a trip to
a big cave.  I am willing to bet it is the brightest flashlight in the world
that uses 4 AA batteries ( The old Princeton Tec - Xenon Surge requried
8 AA batteries, which shows you how far we have come now. )

The P14 was around $ 70 and the P17 around $ 80.

The P17 is aimed at security guards that need a very bright
flashlight. It uses 3 D size batteries.

http://www.brightguy.com/images/bgimages/COAHP8417_2.jpg

Imagine 189 lumens for 700 hours.That is awesome!

These lights appear to be very water resistant, and well built, but I won't
know that for sure until I get one in my hands and try to take it apart.

I will be disappointed if the light pattern sucks.

However, both lights claim to have a dim switch. Hurray!! Finally
somebody is listening.

I know some of you are getting bored with this thread, but caver's
in the future will someday have an inexpensive, bright,
water-resistant headlamp;
so until then, all I can do is, document what I see:

http://cableorganizer.com/outlet/efilliate/image/P7787a.jpg

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/52006059/LED_HEADLAMP.jpg

David Locklear

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Re: [ot_caving] FW: Internet Virus Alert - from Texas Sen. Dan Patrick

[Don Cooper]

CRIPES Fritz!  Do you also believe Barack Obama is a communist socialist
terrorist muslim because some hack emailed you with something that *said he
was*?  If you'd CHECKED 'snopes' you would have found there ain't nothing
new about this 'virus'.

Although it is a real virus - somewhere out there - keep your pants on.
It's nothing new, and is nothing quite like it is described as.

Simply don't open any emails with attachments from people you don't know.
Better yet, don't open attachments from people YOU know either.  And
WHATEVER you do - don't download any 'free software' promising to eliminate
spyware from your computer or 'clean your registry'.  If you try and view a
video file and get an offer for a upgraded video codec - run away - close
your browser and stay away from that nasty site.  Above all - NEVER, EVER
"ingest" any excecutable that you didn't ask for!

Once again - an internet hoax worse than ANY possible virus!!!

Well...  except for the Good Times Virus!
Do NOT open any email with the title "Good Times"

Goodtimes will re-write your hard drive. Not only that, but it will
scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It will
recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice cream
goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit cards,
screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field
harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.

It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It will mix
Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and leave
its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming over. It
will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit pants and
hide your car keys when you are late for work.

Goodtimes will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will give you
nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your gas tank and
shave off both your eyebrows while dating your current boyfriend behind
your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to your Visa card.

It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she is dead, such
is the power of Goodtimes, it reaches out beyond the grave to sully those
things we hold most dear.

It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't find it. It
will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on your boss's
voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It is dangerous and
terrifying to behold. It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.

Goodtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the toilet seat
up. It will make a batch of Methamphetamine in your bathtub and then
leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase
gradeschooles with your new snowblower.

-WaV


FYI.

Fritz Holt
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*Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:27 AM
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*Subject:* Internet Virus Alert - from Texas Sen. Dan Patrick

Guess we had better heed this one and be careful.
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*From:* Dan Patrick [mailto:danpatrick...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2008 7:23 PM
*Subject:* Internet Virus Alert

To my friends.  I jsut got this e-mail from our internet tech person.  If
you have a PC you need to be on extra alert for this.

PLEASE READ!!!


http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp
 *Subject: Please read and advise as many as possible
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[Texascavers] NSS Fellow in Texas

[Jim Kennedy]

On 11 Nov, Bill Mixon said: "A reminder that the deadline for
nominations for those awards is this coming Saturday, Nov 15. See
http://caves.org/committee/award/ and then click on the individual award
or see the October NSS News for information on who should receive the
nominations."

I did some checking around.  To date, the NSS lists  Fellows.  Texas
has 503 NSS members, 47 of which are NSS Fellows, or 9.3% of Texas NSS
members.  There are a lot of dedicated Texas cavers who are also NSS
members who are conspicuously absent from that list, like John Moses,
Gary Napper, Sue Schindel, Paul Fambro, Jon Cradit, John Brooks, Allan
Cobb, Butch Fralia, Charley Savvas, Chris Thibodaux, Julie Jenkins, R.
D. Milhollin, Kenny McGee, Lee Jay Graves, Rafal Kedzierski, Walter
Feaster, Nico Hauwert, Michael Cicherski, Geoff Hoese, Becky Jones, John
Green, Philip Rykwalder, Chris Vreeland, Emily & Kevin McGowan, Mark
Alman, and so on.  There are also other ex-Texas cavers that both are
and should be Fellows.  Note that this list is not intended as an
endorsement for these fine folks, nor is it what I would consider an
exhaustive list of all potential Fellows.  It is merely to point out
that we are doing ourselves a disservice by not having more Texas cavers
recognized by the NSS for our achievements.  Are we just too lazy to go
through the simple nomination process?

Next year the NSS Convention is going to be in Texas, along with the ICS
in Kerrville.  It sure would be nice to have more of our own recognized
there.  Anybody feel like spearheading some nominations?  It's not too
late!

-- Crash, NSS 26791FL

TEXAS NSS MEMBERS WITH FELLOW STATUS

NSS#NameCity
2886James F. Martin Marfa
4357William H. Russell  Austin
4569Glen K. Merrill Houston
4603Orion Knox, Jr. Austin
4897James R. ReddellAustin
5566Pete Lindsley   Lucas
5728William Mixon   Austin
6154Terry W. Raines Driftwood
6230Carl E. Kunath  San Angelo
6419David W. McKenzie   Austin
6516Thomas R. Evans Livingston
6746Doug Rhodes El Paso
7248James F. Jasek  Waco
7616Ron Ralph   Manchaca
7669Ronald G. Fieseler  Blanco
8072C. William Steele   Irving
8298Peter C. Strickland Austin
9514Donald L. Broussard Driftwood
9572Eugene C. Hargrove  Denton
9782Walter Olenick  Austin
10010   Gill Ediger Austin
10033   Robert E. Burnett   Austin
11048   Charles W. Fromen   Houston
11077   Mike Walsh  Cedar Park
11274   Logan McNattAustin
12611   Mike L. Warton  Camp Wood
13020   Merlin Tuttle   Austin
13138   Louise D. Hose  Friendswood
13484   Ernest GarzaDriftwood
13549   Paul S. Unger IIRockdale
14356   Jay R. Jorden   Celina
14445   Peter Sprouse   Buda
15667   Andy G. Grubbs  San Marcos
15827   Geary M. Schindel   San Antonio
16703   Thomas M. IliffeGalveston
17323   Steve W. Boehm  Seguin
21977   William T. Bentley  Midland
22200   Kurt MenkingSan Antonio
22368   Gerald L. Atkinson  Kingwood
23572   Keith E. Goggin Sugar Land
24695   Linda K. Palit  San Antonio
26442   James G. Coke IVThe Woodlands
26791   Jim "Crash" Kennedy Austin
30513   Corrine SchwartzSan Marcos
32206   Benjamin Schwartz   San Marcos
33083   Jean Krejca Austin
39894   Beverly Shade   Austin
41852   Kevin W. Stafford   Nacogdoches

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FW: [Texascavers] International Congress of Speleology - registration adjustment

[George Veni]

Do not reply to this message. For general ICS questions, contact Secretary John 
Moses at secret...@ics2009.us, or johnmo...@excite.com. For questions about the 
message below, reply to the author�s address above.




Dear OC,

 

I'm forwarding a message that is rapidly being distributed. I understand why
it was sent but it hasn't given time for us to review the implications in
detail and see if there are any red flags. I learned of this on Sunday, but
have been in non-stop meetings and was just preparing to write you about it
when the message below arrived.

 

The key points you need to be aware of is that to make this work, I expect
all or nearly all of the buffer built into the ICS budget to prevent
financial loss may be gone. The Treasurers are currently hammering out the
numbers. Be prepared for them to contact some of you and say they are
trimming items from your budgets. I'm not saying those items will be
permanently removed, but they may be. If we find ourselves later with enough
of a financial cushion, then they may authorize you to add those items back
in, but now more than ever, remember to not spend anything unless it has
been approved by the Treasurers. If you do, you may not get reimbursed.

 

I appreciate the NSS BOG's intent and actions to make the banquet open to
all, but I also need to make sure it doesn't lose money from the ICS. This
change will make that goal difficult, and I hope not impossible. As always,
thank you for your efforts to provide an exceptional event at as low a price
as possible. I will post a message to the ICS e-list once all details are
worked out and confirmed.

 

George

 

From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:25 PM
To: New Mexico Mailing List; Texascavers Mailing List
Subject: [Texascavers] International Congress of Speleology - registration
adjustment

 

Cavers,

 

I just wanted to call your attention to the fact that after discussions at
the NSS Board of Governors meeting this past weekend, the ICS Organizing
Committee will be making a cost adjustment to an event for the 15th
International Congress of Speleology to be held next July in Kerrville,
Texas.

 

The ICS Banquet is included in the cost of registration for the Congress.
However, there originally was an additional charge for the NSS Convention
Awards Banquet scheduled for the evening before.  But since this is the
traditional NSS annual event at which the Society honors members who have
made extensive contributions to caving, speleology, and/or the organization,
it was felt that the NSS banquet should be included for Congress registrants
at no additional charge.  Those who have already registered and have paid
the supplemental NSS banquet cost will be refunded their money. 

 

The Congress registration form will be adjusted to reflect this change.
However, for those individuals who plan on registering for the Congress in
the very near future, please keep in mind that you do not need to pay
additionally for the NSS banquet.

 

Permission is gladly given to repost this message, and thank you in advance
to those of you who will help spread the word about this change.

 

We look forward to seeing everyone in Texas next summer!

 

Linda Baker Devine

NSS Board of Governors

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[Texascavers] NSS banquet in Kerrville

[Mixon Bill]

That's a darn good idea. At $38 (!!!) extra, there would have been  
hardly anybody there to see the NSS awards. I didn't pay it.


A reminder that the deadline for nominations for those awards is this  
coming Saturday, Nov 15. See http://caves.org/committee/award/ and  
then click on the individual award or see the October NSS News for  
information on who should receive the nominations. -- Bill Mixon

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texascavers Digest 11 Nov 2008 19:25:05 -0000 Issue 641

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texascavers Digest 11 Nov 2008 19:25:05 - Issue 641

Topics (messages 9346 through 9355):

Chinese History in a Stalagmite
9346 by: Mike Flannigan

Tzibichen
9347 by: Minton, Mark

Robber Baron Cave still calling to explorers
9348 by: Joe Mitchell

Kori Jones' BABY !
9349 by: Terri Sprouse

The November 2008 meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society
9350 by: Bill Bentley

Magnesium in Calcite
9351 by: Minton, Mark

TSS work session
9352 by: Ron Ralph

Texas Speleological Association 2009 officiers
9353 by: Ron Ralph

Thanks! from TCMA
9354 by: Linda Palit

International Congress of Speleology - registration adjustment
9355 by: Minton, Mark

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FYI:

re-posted from Dave Meadows' Explorator 11.29



Ancient cave yields clues to Chinese history
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID, AP Science Writer Randolph E. Schmid, Ap Science =
Writer =96 Thu Nov 6, 2:00 pm ET
WASHINGTON =96 A stalagmite rising from the floor of a cave in China is =
providing clues to the end of several dynasties in Chinese history.

Slowly built from the minerals in dripping water over 1,810 years, =
chemicals in the stone tell a tale of strong and weak cycles of the =
monsoon, the life-giving rains that water crops to feed millions of =
people.

Dry periods coincided with the demise of the Tang, Yuan and Ming =
dynasties, researchers report in Friday's edition of the journal =
Science.

In addition, the team led by Pingzhong Zhang of Lanzhou University in =
China noted a change in the cycles around 1960 which they said may =
indicate that greenhouse gases released by human activities have become =
the dominant influence on the monsoon.

The Wanxiang Cave is in Gansu Province, a region where 80 percent of the =
rainfall occurs between May and September.

Chemical concentrations in the stalagmite indicate a series of =
fluctuations lasting from one to several centuries and roughly similar =
to records of the Little Ice Age, Medieval warm period and Dark Age cold =
period recorded in Europe.

There were decade-long fluctuations between A.D. 190 and 530, the end of =
the Han Dynasty and most of the Era of Disunity, the researchers said. =

From 530 to 850 the monsoon declined, covering the end of the Era of =

Disunity, the Sui Dynasty and most of the Tang Dynasty.

The monsoon remained weak, with another sharp drop between 910 and 930, =
then it rose sharply over 60 and remained strong until 1020.

The researchers found that after 1020 the monsoon varied but was =
generally strong until a sharp drop between 1340 and 1360: the mid =
14th-century monsoon weakening. It stayed weak, with substantial =
fluctuation, until a sharp increase between 1850 and 1880.

According to the researchers, the 9th-century dry period contributed to =
the decline of the Tang Dynasty and the Mayans in Mesoamerica. It also =
may have contributed to the lack of unity during the Five Dynasties and =
Ten Kingdoms period, they said.

The following strengthening of the monsoon may have contributed to the =
rapid increase in rice cultivation, the dramatic increase in population, =
and the general stability at the beginning of the Northern Song Dynasty, =
they suggested, adding that the end of the Yuan and the end of the Ming =
are both characterized by unusually weak summer monsoons.

The research was supported by the National Science Foundations of the =
United States and China, the Gary Comer Science and Education =
Foundation, the Ministry of Science and Technology of China and the =
Chinese Academy of Sciences

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081106/ap_on_sc/sci_monsoon_in_history_1

On the same topic:


http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-42034.html
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/nov/07/ancient-cave-yields-clues-to-=
chinese-history/
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081106165233.htm
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?aid=3D27577705&afid=3D1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/science/nature/7714019.stm


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Robber Baron Cave still calling to explorers

Colin McDonald- Express-News
In 1941, Charley Rodger and his brother Rodney Rodger took a  
clothesline, a couple of candles and some matches into Robber Baron  
Cave off Nacogdoches Road.


“We crawled on our bellies,” he said. “Then we turned to the left 6  
or 7 feet to a room where we could stand up.”


Rodger was 13 

[Texascavers] International Congress of Speleology - registration adjustment

[Minton, Mark]

Cavers,
 
I just wanted to call your attention to the fact that after discussions at the NSS Board of Governors meeting this past weekend, the ICS Organizing Committee will be making a cost adjustment to an event for the 15th International Congress of Speleology to be held next July in Kerrville, Texas.
 
The ICS Banquet is included in the cost of registration for the Congress.  However, there originally was an additional charge for the NSS Convention Awards Banquet scheduled for the evening before.  But since this is the traditional NSS annual event at which the Society honors members who have made extensive contributions to caving, speleology, and/or the organization, it was felt that the NSS banquet should be included for Congress registrants at no additional charge.  Those who have already registered and have paid the supplemental NSS banquet cost will be refunded their money. 
 
The Congress registration form will be adjusted to reflect this change.  However, for those individuals who plan on registering for the Congress in the very near future, please keep in mind that you do not need to pay additionally for the NSS banquet.
 
Permission is gladly given to repost this message, and thank you in advance to those of you who will help spread the word about this change.
 
We look forward to seeing everyone in Texas next summer!
 
Linda Baker Devine
NSS Board of Governors

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[ot_caving] FW: Internet Virus Alert - from Texas Sen. Dan Patrick

[Fritz Holt]

FYI.
Fritz Holt


From: Jane Parker
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:06 PM
To: Katy Office; Galveston Dept
Subject: FW: Internet Virus Alert - from Texas Sen. Dan Patrick




From: Bill Brooks [mailto:bbro...@oric-hb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:27 AM
To: Amy Acker; Bill Swanson; Bob Lowry; Bob Owen; Bonnie Welch; Brent Newton; 
Brian Reboul; Carolyn Luna; Cathy Moffett; Charles Sanford; Christine Smith; 
Clyde Hunt; Darrell Hauck; 'DONALD WEBSTER'; Donna Cooper; Ed Jamison; Ed 
Varosky; George Cooper; Gina Marlow; gmza...@yahoo.com; Jane Parker; Jane 
Parsley; Joel Mann; John Beury; Kay Terry; Ken Winters; Linda K. McNabb; Liz 
Folds; Mark Marlow; Rick Bolin; Ron Walker; Sharon Tkars; Stan Ammons; Virginia 
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Cc: madelyn...@entouch.net
Subject: FW: Internet Virus Alert - from Texas Sen. Dan Patrick




Subject: Internet Virus Alert - from Texas Sen. Dan Patrick

Guess we had better heed this one and be careful.


From: Dan Patrick [mailto:danpatrick...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: Internet Virus Alert

To my friends.  I jsut got this e-mail from our internet tech person.  If you 
have a PC you need to be on extra alert for this.
PLEASE READ!!!


http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp
 Subject: Please read and advise as many as possible

Anyone-using Internet mail such as Yahoo, Hotmail, AOL and so on.

This information arrived this morning, Direct from both Microsoft and
Norton.
Please send it to everybody you know who has access t o the Internet.

You may receive an apparently harmless e-mail titled 'Mail Server Report'

If you open either file, a message will appear on your screen saying:
'It is too late now, your life is no longer beautiful.'

< B>Subsequently you will LOSE EVERYTHING IN YOUR PC, And the person who
sent it to you will gain access to your name, e-mail and password.

This is a new virus which started to circulate on Saturday afternoon.
AOL has already confirmed the severity, and the anti virus software's
are not capable of destroying it.

The virus has been created by a hacker who calls himself 'life owner'.

PLEASE SEND A COPY OF THIS E-MAIL TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS, and ask them to
PASS IT ON IMMEDIATELY!

THIS HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY SNOPES




http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/mailserver.asp 




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[Texascavers] Thanks! from TCMA

[Linda Palit]

TCMA hosted a very successful open house on Saturday, ending the current
project which focused on putting new gates on the main and secondary
entrances of the cave, updating the fences on the property and planting
additional native plants on the grounds.  We hosted several hundred
community visitors, and let over 200 of those visit part of the cave.  

 

We want to thank all of our supporters on the project, including all of you
who came down for a work trip sometime in the last 5 years.  The work would
not have been completed without your help.

 

Many, Many Thanks to our Robber Baron Open House Volunteers on Saturday, and
we are not sure we have all the volunteers listed.  If we have omitted you,
please notify me so that I have a complete list for articles to be written
about the projects.  Volunteers are listed below, in no particular order: 

 

San Antonio TCMA and Bexar Grotto Volunteers:

 

Alan Montemayor

Cheryl Hamilton

Sara Ranzau

Bob Cowell

Allan Cobb

Joe Ranzau

Don Arburn

Michelle Bryant

Sue Schindel

Joe Mitchell

Kurt Menking

Rick Corbell

Evelynn Mitchell

Mike Harris

Linda Palit

Michael Cunningham

Steve Gutting

Kris Hernandez

Bobbie

Nicholas

Rob Bisset

Journey Bisset

Missy Egan

Tom Florer

Aspen Schindel

Nick Arburn

Aaron Wertheim

Fran Hutchins

Zach Schudrowitz

Jill Orr-Kettyle

Robert Kettyle

 

Houston TCMA Volunteers

Tommy Joe

Lyndon Tiu

Casey Campbell

Ronnie Harrison

Mallory Mayeux

Kevin McGowan

 

San Marcos TCMA Volunteers

Jon Cradit

Gary White

 

Austin TCMA Volunteers

Ron Ralph

Gary Franklin

Drew Thompson

Jordan

 

Waco TCMA Volunteers

Jim and Mimi Jasek

RE: [ot_caving] hysterical note

[Fritz Holt]

Gill,
You definitely qualify as an adventurous daredevil. Well, at least in some 
areas.
Fritz

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From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 5:36 PM
To: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: [ot_caving] hysterical note

At 12:57 PM 11/10/2008, Fritz Holt wrote:
>How about depths? Have you jumped into Collindrinas yet? Sorry, I
>can't spell it.

In fact, I have jumped in Golondrinas. I practiced by jumping off a
40-foot extension ladder. There were witnesses to both events. I was
very careful to use safe practices in both cases.

In the first case, I jumped off of the bottom step, not the top
one--still a legal jump from a 40-foot ladder.

In Golondrinas I merely jumped over my hard hat while it lay on the
moldy, green guano covered floor of the great pit--still a legal act
of jumping in Golondrinas.

Nobody said we needed to go to any extremes in either situation. But
there is something to be said for precision when communicating ideas.

Rules to live by:
> Moderation in all things--including moderation.
> Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess.

--Ediger


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[Texascavers] Texas Speleological Association 2009 officiers

[Ron Ralph]

Cavers,

 

I have counted 85 votes and await the afternoon post to make the final
count. If you did not vote and postmark your ballot yesterday, the 10th,
throw it in the trash and resolve to do better next year.

 

Ron Ralph, vote counter

[ot_caving] 1/4" steel balls

[Gill Ediger]

1/4" copper tubing works fine.

At 01:53 AM 11/11/2008, Don Cooper wrote:

I measured a difference of 6mm between AA and AAA batteries.
In order to charge L-ion AAA batteries in my AA charger, I need four 
conductors to take up the slack.

I figured 6mm is about .2456".  Brass, Bronze or Copper would also work.
-thanks,
WaVy



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[NMCAVER] SWR vendors

[J. LaRue Thomas]

I do not have a list of vendors planning to attend and I _do not_ need one. 
There is plenty of room for vendors, either in the foyer or the library, and 
I will have the key so anyone who needs to get in a bit early to set up will 
be able to do so.


If anyone knows of a vendor who is not on this list could you please pass 
along this information? Jacqui 



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