Re: [Texascavers] want Toyota pickup
Yes, Toyota came to Mexico about 5 years ago but dont expect to find parts for older cars those have to be ordered from somewhere else Nico On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: Are there Toyota dealers in Mexico? I do not recall ever seeing a Toyota dealer in Mexico. Given-a good shade tree mechanic can repair anything, and granted Toyota's are well built, and I know several cavers have Toyota, but are parts, say front end steering parts for example available in Chiapas.. Preston in Kentucky - - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [Texascavers] want Toyota pickup forwarded by Bill Mixon: hola a todos!!! I sold my old toyota 1993. I need to buy another one less older than the last one. I would like to know if some of you can help me to fine another there in states, please. I whould like to have a tacoma 1999, 4x4, better if it's V4, access cab, speed manual and for sure a cheepes one!!! I will apreciate your help. best regards Gustavo [Vela, gust...@vela-turcott.org] - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 12:00 AM - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] meteorite and cave story
Just curious. The article said that Texas (among other areas) had caves with this Black Mat layer. Which caves? Does anyone know? Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:31:29 -0600 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] meteorite and cave story http://www.theprogressortimes.com/news/articles.asp?articleID=10335 - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Re: Call The President - URGENT
As I perceive the current administration to be totally indifferent to the disadvantaged - I don't have any hopes of influencing the way things are - not until Barrack Obama actually takes office. In the 'war against drugs' I feel that the *most* of those arrested are victims of the state. I do not feel that it is right to punish people who have this problem - no matter what moral pulpit one stands behind! For the most part, the current policies only serve to further victimize those who suffer from the disease of addiction. Specifically, the Solomon-Lautenberg amendmenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon-Lautenberg_amendmentis perhaps one of the most disgraceful attacks against the common people of this country which has ever been devised. Ever wonder why so many 'celebs' are charged for driving with a suspended license? It is because of this amendment which makes a mandatory suspension of one's license statutory for drug conviction - that so many people are driving without a license. (And you mostly only hear about this happening to people who otherwise have the means to have other people drive them around!!!) -WaV On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Quinta Wilkinson qui...@clearwire.netwrote: They do work for us and we do have the right and need to tell them how we feel. If we do not then how can we complain? Quinta
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Business pages
Yes, this kind of ass-backwards thinking does get my blood pressure up. I knew I could count on you, Phillip! First, we would not be giving much away if the NSS Board followed it Acts and Policies (it would be niceif the Board wasfamiliar with the same; they were not during my tenure). They still aren't. The security is to protect us (the NSS) from their foibles! Secondly and more importantly, most of the NSS Business is not sensitive. Quite true, and we're only talking about protecting the sensitive parts. And believe it or not, an ad hoc committee has now been appointed to determine what those parts might be!! Hiding our business pages is no substitute for good business practices or the ability to think critically. Ah. but that's EXACTLY what it is. And that's exactly why I've never run for the Board. I quickly tire of teaching pigs to sing, much less putting lipstock on them and teaching them manners. Alex (title withheld for obvious reasons) - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker
I believe there are a number of other texas cavers that would like to know this as well. Mary TZ - Forwarded Message From: Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com To: greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com Cc: mcon...@swbell.net; cfro...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:22:09 AM Subject: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker Hello, Those of us in GHG that have been around a while remember Harry Walker. I'm sorry to say that Harry passed away suddenly, yesterday after a long battle with Alzheimer. David Locklear informed me that there will be a service for Harry at the Crowder Funeral Home in Dickenson TX at 2pm this Saturday. Crowder Funeral Home 851 Hwy. 517 @ 646 Dickinson, TX 77539. Phone:(281) 337-1515. I called to confirm this. This is a link to their site: http://www.crowderf uneralhome. com/default. htm Harry hiked many of the 14ers and had always been and avid outdoorsman. He went with us into Honey Creek to look around when he was 80 years old. He was also one of the founding members of GHG. His wife, Dorothy survives him. Many of us remember the parties at Harry and Dorothy’s. We enjoyed their pool and wonderful hospitality. Harry will be missed and I can only hope that I have ½ his energy when I’m in my 80s. He was a real inspiration to enjoying life for as long as you can. Kevin McGowan Photography 5250 Gulfton, Suite 2F Houston Texas 77081 Studio: 713-665-3818 Mobile: 281-433-2474 kevin@kevinmcgowan. comb web: www.kevinmcgowan. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent ActivityVisit Your Group Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Groups Do More For Cats Group Connect and share with cat owners like you Check out the Y! Groups blog Stay up to speed on all things Groups! . __,_._,___
RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker
I remember when I first started caving and listening to stories told by Harry and Charles and wishing some day to grow up to have stories like theirs. Please pass along my deepest condolences to Harry's family and the awe which I held him in. Jon Cradit From: Mary Thiesse [mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:26 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I believe there are a number of other texas cavers that would like to know this as well. Mary TZ - Forwarded Message From: Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com To: greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com Cc: mcon...@swbell.net; cfro...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:22:09 AM Subject: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker Hello, Those of us in GHG that have been around a while remember Harry Walker. I'm sorry to say that Harry passed away suddenly, yesterday after a long battle with Alzheimer. David Locklear informed me that there will be a service for Harry at the Crowder Funeral Home in Dickenson TX at 2pm this Saturday. Crowder Funeral Home 851 Hwy. 517 @ 646 Dickinson, TX 77539. Phone:(281) 337-1515. I called to confirm this. This is a link to their site: http://www.crowderf uneralhome. com/default. htm http://www.crowderfuneralhome.com/default.htm Harry hiked many of the 14ers and had always been and avid outdoorsman. He went with us into Honey Creek to look around when he was 80 years old. He was also one of the founding members of GHG. His wife, Dorothy survives him. Many of us remember the parties at Harry and Dorothy’s. We enjoyed their pool and wonderful hospitality. Harry will be missed and I can only hope that I have ½ his energy when I’m in my 80s. He was a real inspiration to enjoying life for as long as you can. Kevin McGowan Photography 5250 Gulfton, Suite 2F Houston Texas 77081 Studio: 713-665-3818 Mobile: 281-433-2474 kevin@kevinmcgowan. comb mailto:kevin%40kevinmcgowan.comb web: www.kevinmcgowan. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/message/7845;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ajRhcm41BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BG1zZ0lkAzc4NDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjI4OTI5NzM2BHRwY0lkAzc4NDU- (3) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwOGhqcWxxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BG1zZ0lkAzc4NDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjI4OTI5NzM2?act=replymessageNum=7847 | Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZjRtdjRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg-- Messages http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZnJidjhmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg-- | Files http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmamdka2ViBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY- | Photos http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZTZnYXIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3QEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg-- | Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2NmNmN2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY- | Database http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2xhanRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY- | Polls http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMmg3Nm5zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY- | Members http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMnFtYzZmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21icnMEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg-- | Calendar http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJkaDFzZDVoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2NhbARzdGltZQMxMjI4OTI5NzM2 MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=13r20oh26/M=493064.12016295.13271503.10835568/D=groups/S=1705125405:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1228936936/L=/B=YI5sM0LaX9E-/J=1228929736553209/A=5530388/R=0/SIG=11nuutlas/*http:/explore.yahoo.com/groups/kraftmealsmadesimple/ http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMms3YTczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjI4OTI5NzM2 Change settings
[Texascavers] Refrigeration over Fire
But most likely likely it's what someone else said - the Einstein refrigerator, a single-pressure absorption refrigerator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator Just like anything else, energy is required to run it. Heat is energy so it makes sense. ROCKHUGGER Andy Zenker Texas Caver
[ot_caving] Re: [Texascavers] Refrigeration over Fire
It reminds me of a natural gas powered refrigerator my grandfather had in his welding shop. It looked just like any other refrigerator, but the energy that ran the thing came from a little gas burner in the back of it. -Don C On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Andy Zenker andyzen...@yahoo.com wrote: But most likely likely it's what someone else said - the Einstein refrigerator, a single-pressure absorption refrigerator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator Just like anything else, energy is required to run it. Heat is energy so it makes sense. ROCKHUGGER Andy Zenker Texas Caver
[Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire?
http://gizmodo.com/5105820/zero-electricity-fridge-freezes-with-fire I'm really curious on how this works. I keep thinking it's April 1st. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale From: Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:42:55 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I remember when I first started caving and listening to stories told by Harry and Charles and wishing some day to grow up to have stories like theirs. Please pass along my deepest condolences to Harry’s family and the awe which I held him in. Jon Cradit From:Mary Thiesse [mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:26 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I believe there are a number of other texas cavers that would like to know this as well. Mary TZ - Forwarded Message From: Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com To: greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com Cc: mcon...@swbell.net; cfro...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:22:09 AM Subject: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker Hello, Those of us in GHG that have been around a while remember Harry Walker. I'm sorry to say that Harry passed away suddenly, yesterday after a long battle with Alzheimer. David Locklear informed me that there will be a service for Harry at the Crowder Funeral Home in Dickenson TX at 2pm this Saturday. Crowder Funeral Home 851 Hwy. 517 @ 646 Dickinson, TX 77539. Phone:(281) 337-1515. I called to confirm this. This is a link to their site: http://www.crowderf uneralhome. com/default. htm Harry hiked many of the 14ers and had always been and avid outdoorsman. He went with us into Honey Creek to look around when he was 80 years old. He was also one of the founding members of GHG. His wife, Dorothy survives him. Many of us remember the parties at Harry and Dorothy’s. We enjoyed their pool and wonderful hospitality. Harry will be missed and I can only hope that I have ½ his energy when I’m in my 80s. He was a real inspiration to enjoying life for as long as you can. Kevin McGowan Photography 5250 Gulfton, Suite 2F Houston Texas 77081 Studio: 713-665-3818 Mobile: 281-433-2474 kevin@kevinmcgowan. comb web: www.kevinmcgowan. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Groups Do More For Cats Group Connect and share with cat owners like you Check out the Y! Groups blog Stay up to speed on all things Groups! . __,_._,___
Re: [Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire?
I could see this working like an ice pack, where ammonium nitrite mixes with water. Maybe the heat evaporates the water to steam so it can travel a path to the ammonium nitrite, starting the endothermic chemical reaction. Very interesting food for thought ... ROCKHUGGER Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com Subject: [Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire? To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 3:45 PM http://gizmodo.com/5105820/zero-electricity-fridge-freezes-with-fire I'm really curious on how this works. I keep thinking it's April 1st. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale From: Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:42:55 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I remember when I first started caving and listening to stories told by Harry and Charles and wishing some day to grow up to have stories like theirs. Please pass along my deepest condolences to Harry’s family and the awe which I held him in. Jon Cradit From: Mary Thiesse [mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:26 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I believe there are a number of other texas cavers that would like to know this as well. Mary TZ - Forwarded Message From: Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com To: greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com Cc: mcon...@swbell.net; cfro...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:22:09 AM Subject: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker Hello, Those of us in GHG that have been around a while remember Harry Walker. I'm sorry to say that Harry passed away suddenly, yesterday after a long battle with Alzheimer. David Locklear informed me that there will be a service for Harry at the Crowder Funeral Home in Dickenson TX at 2pm this Saturday. Crowder Funeral Home 851 Hwy. 517 @ 646 Dickinson, TX 77539. Phone:(281) 337-1515. I called to confirm this. This is a link to their site: http://www.crowderf uneralhome. com/default. htm Harry hiked many of the 14ers and had always been and avid outdoorsman. He went with us into Honey Creek to look around when he was 80 years old. He was also one of the founding members of GHG. His wife, Dorothy survives him. Many of us remember the parties at Harry and Dorothy’s. We enjoyed their pool and wonderful hospitality. Harry will be missed and I can only hope that I have ½ his energy when I’m in my 80s. He was a real inspiration to enjoying life for as long as you can. Kevin McGowan Photography 5250 Gulfton, Suite 2F Houston Texas 77081 Studio: 713-665-3818 Mobile: 281-433-2474 kevin@kevinmcgowan. comb web: www.kevinmcgowan. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar MARKETPLACE From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Odd News You won't believe it, but it's true Yahoo! Groups Do More For Cats Group Connect and share with cat owners like you Check out the Y! Groups blog Stay up to speed on all things Groups! . __,_._,___
[ot_caving] Fwd: [Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire?
I think it works like a Reverse ETF, which is a stock that goes up in price when the price of stocks is covers goes down! *(And Vica (of course) Versa) * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_etf *-WaV* 2008/12/10 Matt Turner kat...@yahoo.com http://gizmodo.com/5105820/zero-electricity-fridge-freezes-with-fire I'm really curious on how this works. I keep thinking it's April 1st. Matt Turner It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that.- Norman Vincent Peale -- *From:* Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org *To:* Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:42:55 PM *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I remember when I first started caving and listening to stories told by Harry and Charles and wishing some day to grow up to have stories like theirs. Please pass along my deepest condolences to Harry's family and the awe which I held him in. Jon Cradit *From:* Mary Thiesse [mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:26 PM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Fw: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker I believe there are a number of other texas cavers that would like to know this as well. Mary TZ - Forwarded Message *From:* Kevin McGowan ke...@kevinmcgowan.com *To:* greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com *Cc:* mcon...@swbell.net; cfro...@yahoo.com *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:22:09 AM *Subject:* [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker Hello, Those of us in GHG that have been around a while remember Harry Walker. I'm sorry to say that Harry passed away suddenly, yesterday after a long battle with Alzheimer. David Locklear informed me that there will be a service for Harry at the Crowder Funeral Home in Dickenson TX at 2pm this Saturday. Crowder Funeral Home 851 Hwy. 517 @ 646 Dickinson, TX 77539. Phone:(281) 337-1515. I called to confirm this. This is a link to their site: http://www.crowderf uneralhome. com/default. htmhttp://www.crowderfuneralhome.com/default.htm Harry hiked many of the 14ers and had always been and avid outdoorsman. He went with us into Honey Creek to look around when he was 80 years old. He was also one of the founding members of GHG. His wife, Dorothy survives him. Many of us remember the parties at Harry and Dorothy's. We enjoyed their pool and wonderful hospitality. Harry will be missed and I can only hope that I have ½ his energy when I'm in my 80s. He was a real inspiration to enjoying life for as long as you can. Kevin McGowan Photography 5250 Gulfton, Suite 2F Houston Texas 77081 Studio: 713-665-3818 Mobile: 281-433-2474 kevin@kevinmcgowan. comb kevin%40kevinmcgowan.comb web: www.kevinmcgowan. com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/message/7845;_ylc=X3oDMTM0ajRhcm41BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BG1zZ0lkAzc4NDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjI4OTI5NzM2BHRwY0lkAzc4NDU- (3) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwOGhqcWxxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BG1zZ0lkAzc4NDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjI4OTI5NzM2?act=replymessageNum=7847| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZjRtdjRkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg-- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZnJidjhmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA21zZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg--| Fileshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJmamdka2ViBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2ZpbGVzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY-| Photoshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZTZnYXIwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Bob3QEc3RpbWUDMTIyODkyOTczNg--| Linkshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb2NmNmN2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2xpbmtzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY-| Databasehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJjY2xhanRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2RiBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY-| Pollshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/greater_houston_grotto/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMmg3Nm5zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMzMTI3NTAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTI1NDA1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3BvbGxzBHN0aW1lAzEyMjg5Mjk3MzY-|
[Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire?
At 03:45 PM 12/10/2008, Matt Turner wrote: I'm really curious on how this works. I keep thinking it's April 1st. You'd do well, Matt, to just keep on considering every day to be April Fools Day. There's a whole herd of folks out there who'd have you believe all sorts of hocus pocus. Natural science, however, will provide the answer and the solution to the problem. Gas refrigerators have been around for a long time. We had one that used natural gas in our rent house when I was a kid. I have one in my shed now; it came out of a travel trailer and used propane. The principle of refrigeration (except on days like today when you just leave the door open) is that when a gas under high pressure escapes through a nozzle to a lower pressure it cools down in the process. Your home refrigerator uses an electric compressor to mechanically compress the gas (used to be freon, now is something else). The gas refrigerator uses a small flame (about the size of a candle flame) to heat its gas (traditionally ammonia because it has a lower boiling point, but now could be some other high tech gas ???). In both systems the gas is expelled through a fine orifice into the cooling coils located within the freezer compartment. As the gas expands it cools down considerably--sufficient to freeze water. The thermos-sized thingy shown suspended over the camp fire is probably some variation on that same gas refrigeration theme. There is likely a gas filled cylinder in the bottom that is heated by the fire and that HP gas is forced through a nozzle into the LP coils surrounding the upper chamber--or a probe or something similar. A few years ago there were several (European?) beer companies that had cans which would cool a warm beer in a few seconds whenever the top was popped and the pressure released. They had a captive, pre-pressurized cylinder with a valve of some sort that was triggered when the initial pressure in the can was reduced. Or something along those lines. Ain't science grand? --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire?
VIVA SERVELL! -Original Message- From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:29 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Refrigeration over fire? At 03:45 PM 12/10/2008, Matt Turner wrote: I'm really curious on how this works. I keep thinking it's April 1st. You'd do well, Matt, to just keep on considering every day to be April Fools Day. There's a whole herd of folks out there who'd have you believe all sorts of hocus pocus. Natural science, however, will provide the answer and the solution to the problem. Gas refrigerators have been around for a long time. We had one that used natural gas in our rent house when I was a kid. I have one in my shed now; it came out of a travel trailer and used propane. The principle of refrigeration (except on days like today when you just leave the door open) is that when a gas under high pressure escapes through a nozzle to a lower pressure it cools down in the process. Your home refrigerator uses an electric compressor to mechanically compress the gas (used to be freon, now is something else). The gas refrigerator uses a small flame (about the size of a candle flame) to heat its gas (traditionally ammonia because it has a lower boiling point, but now could be some other high tech gas ???). In both systems the gas is expelled through a fine orifice into the cooling coils located within the freezer compartment. As the gas expands it cools down considerably--sufficient to freeze water. The thermos-sized thingy shown suspended over the camp fire is probably some variation on that same gas refrigeration theme. There is likely a gas filled cylinder in the bottom that is heated by the fire and that HP gas is forced through a nozzle into the LP coils surrounding the upper chamber--or a probe or something similar. A few years ago there were several (European?) beer companies that had cans which would cool a warm beer in a few seconds whenever the top was popped and the pressure released. They had a captive, pre-pressurized cylinder with a valve of some sort that was triggered when the initial pressure in the can was reduced. Or something along those lines. Ain't science grand? --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 10 Dec 2008 21:45:14 -0000 Issue 664
texascavers Digest 10 Dec 2008 21:45:14 - Issue 664 Topics (messages 9633 through 9639): Re: want Toyota pickup 9633 by: Preston Forsythe 9635 by: Nico Escamilla Jim Eyre dead 9634 by: Mixon Bill Re: NSS Business pages 9636 by: Alex Sproul Re: [greater_houston_grotto] Harry Walker 9637 by: Mary Thiesse 9638 by: Jon Cradit Refrigeration over fire? 9639 by: Matt Turner Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Are there Toyota dealers in Mexico? I do not recall ever seeing a Toyota dealer in Mexico. Given-a good shade tree mechanic can repair anything, and granted Toyota's are well built, and I know several cavers have Toyota, but are parts, say front end steering parts for example available in Chiapas.. Preston in Kentucky - - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [Texascavers] want Toyota pickup forwarded by Bill Mixon: hola a todos!!! I sold my old toyota 1993. I need to buy another one less older than the last one. I would like to know if some of you can help me to fine another there in states, please. I whould like to have a tacoma 1999, 4x4, better if it's V4, access cab, speed manual and for sure a cheepes one!!! I will apreciate your help. best regards Gustavo [Vela, gust...@vela-turcott.org] - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 12:00 AM ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Yes, Toyota came to Mexico about 5 years ago but dont expect to find parts for older cars those have to be ordered from somewhere else Nico On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:48 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: Are there Toyota dealers in Mexico? I do not recall ever seeing a Toyota dealer in Mexico. Given-a good shade tree mechanic can repair anything, and granted Toyota's are well built, and I know several cavers have Toyota, but are parts, say front end steering parts for example available in Chiapas.. Preston in Kentucky - - Original Message - From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:30 PM Subject: [Texascavers] want Toyota pickup forwarded by Bill Mixon: hola a todos!!! I sold my old toyota 1993. I need to buy another one less older than the last one. I would like to know if some of you can help me to fine another there in states, please. I whould like to have a tacoma 1999, 4x4, better if it's V4, access cab, speed manual and for sure a cheepes one!!! I will apreciate your help. best regards Gustavo [Vela, gust...@vela-turcott.org] - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.15 - Release Date: 12/5/2008 12:00 AM - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I just read in Descent that British caver Jim Eyre has died. A bit of Googling turned up the facts that he died on September 17 at the age of 82. Jim was the author of a number of very nice caving books, the most recent two being his caving biography. I strongly recommend both of them, although they are not cheap. Speleobooks.com has them. Austin cavers can borrow my copies. My reviews were published in the NSS News, but I'm repeating them below. It’s Only a Game. Jim Eyre. Wild Places, Cardiff, UK; 2004. ISBN 0-9526701-6-X.17 by 24 cm, 255 pp, softbound. £18.95 (about $35). I had not had more fun reading a caving book since I read Jim Eyre’s The Cave Explorers (1981), so I eagerly ordered this new book, though not without noticing that I could have gotten a new five-hundred-page hardbound novel by a best-selling author for considerably less
[ot_caving] capitalism is dead
Here is more proof that capitalism is dead. In a free capitalistic society, if something has an aftermarket value, the price is raised accordingly to the profit of the person in control of the value. In this case, Governor Blagovich had control over the position of a prominent Senate seat. In the view of a capitalist, his only failure was to not fully disclose that his decision for selecting a candidate brought extra added value to the deal. Had he explained this publically it would have been fine to people who still believe in unrestricted capitalism, meaning Eliot Spitzer, the mafia, and that senator back west that killed his young lover/secretary and dumped her in a park. What most Americans don't understand is that for the past 100 years, our strong economy was boosted up by these under the table deals.Without them, we can't pull out of the recession. That doesn't mean I support them, by any means. I do believe there are necessary evils in our society. Like the vigalante cop, and abortion, and prostitution. I am almost certain that if America adopts a very restrictive form of capitalism, that or economy will be very weak. Look how great Enron was doing just before it collapsed. Just think of the money we would have saved had the government never spent a penny investigating them. Now reporters will ask questions. For example, did Obama pay any crooks as he climbed the ladder? What about politicians in other places? Or did someone rat on Blagovich to get even with him, for something else? Was that Obama? When is the Hollywood version of the story going to be released? If lawyers are known to be crooks, why do we elect them to public office and trust them with our tax-dollars? David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Re: huge flat screen TV
It is not really a TV, but at 19 feet by 34 feet, it is a flat screen billboard. Imagine dozens of these along the road... Actually, they're quite common already back here in the East. I doubt that the ones I've seen are true 720p HD, but they are certainly startlingly clean moving images. They're dangerously distracting enough in Times Square that I expect they'll be outlawed on the Interstates. Alex - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Harry Walker
I will let someone who knew Harry back in his heyday describe him. I met Harry in 1989 at a Houston Grotto Meeting. He appeared to be in his late sixties, but he showed slide shows of recent caving trips to the Sierra Madres. I was very impressed with his slideshows and his enthusiasm. He was always inviting me to go on his trips, and I always had to turn him down, because I couldn't get off school or work, or it conflicted with going to the NSS Convention. Harry and I did got to TCR a few times together, the last being the big flood at Chalk Bluff. And I tried my best to get him to go with me to the TCR, just a few weeks ago. In 1998, Harry invited me on what would be his last attempt to complete all the 14'ers in Colorado. But he planned the trip during the Tennessee NSS Convention, which I was greatly looking forward to. I had to make a tough call, as I knew Harry was 70 something, and I would never again get the privilege of climbing with him. We tried Mt. Anterra, Greys Peak and Torrey's Peak. Harry would have made it to the top had he been with an experienced person, but I had never been mountain climbing and I was way too out of shape. We later went rafting thru Brown's Canyon on the Arkansas River near Salado, Colorado. http://www.atraft.com/8-8-03%2017%20C3_small2.jpg Harry was flipped out at Snider's Suckhole and we thought he may have drowned. It was a very tense moment waiting for someone to find him and pull him out of the eddy like water. Harry apparently started caving in the 1940's, back east somewhere. He had a low NSS number. I saw him climb rope at a vertical practice about 10 years ago, and he did fine. I think he has been into Purificacion. I know he climbed Pico Candela, and that inspired me to give it a try. Harry's claim to fame is that he taught his nephew how to cave. His nephew moved to Arizona, and went caving with some other guy and found a little hole that they kept secret for many years called Kartchner Caverns.I recall Harry talking excited about it back around 1991 or so. He also showed me the recent book, before I had seen it at the NSS Convention. Harry became an important role model in my life and I looked to him for wisdom. He more than anybody else, was the caver that advised me to marry my current wife.Had he told me to run for the hills instead, I probably would have.And since I have an incredibly wonderful daughter, I can only tell Harry thank you. Harry based this judgement on at least 2 road-trips from Houston with my then-girlfriend. One to Carta Valley to go in a cave, and the other to at least one TCR ( 2000 ? ) at Flat Creek Ranch. Hurricane Ike was a stressful event for the Walkers.I think it really took a toll on Harry. However, what really may have done him in was that he lost a whole lot of money in his retirement account these past few months. It was only about 4 weeks ago, that he and I sat down at his dinner table and he told me with almost teary eyes that he lost a great deal of money.I can only guess that means 100,000 or more. But he was too upset to talk about it. The tone of his voice was from someone who was wiped out, not the Harry I had known for 19 years. I have been out of work for a few months, and Harry paid me to work in his yard to clean up the debris left over by Hurricane Ike. It was a real mess and he really needed someone with big chainsaws and a bobcat with claws on the front of it.Anyways, I am thankful for him paying me, as it was a big help at this time. My daughter met Harry a few times.She temporarily had a pet turtle.We named it Harry. Harry always wanted to go to Houston Grotto meetings but it was a very difficult drive for him from Dickinson. For a while, another caver, Ray Hertel, was kind enough to bring him to the meetings. I guess it has been 5 years since he was able to attend one, so none of the new cavers know him. I think Harry spent most of his working life for a company called Monsato. He may have been a chemical engineer, but I don't remember. Again, I will let someone who knew more about him, tell Harry's story. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Harry Walker
David, Well done, Thanks, Geary -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:05 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] Harry Walker I will let someone who knew Harry back in his heyday describe him. I met Harry in 1989 at a Houston Grotto Meeting. He appeared to be in his late sixties, but he showed slide shows of recent caving trips to the Sierra Madres. I was very impressed with his slideshows and his enthusiasm. He was always inviting me to go on his trips, and I always had to turn him down, because I couldn't get off school or work, or it conflicted with going to the NSS Convention. Harry and I did got to TCR a few times together, the last being the big flood at Chalk Bluff. And I tried my best to get him to go with me to the TCR, just a few weeks ago. In 1998, Harry invited me on what would be his last attempt to complete all the 14'ers in Colorado. But he planned the trip during the Tennessee NSS Convention, which I was greatly looking forward to. I had to make a tough call, as I knew Harry was 70 something, and I would never again get the privilege of climbing with him. We tried Mt. Anterra, Greys Peak and Torrey's Peak. Harry would have made it to the top had he been with an experienced person, but I had never been mountain climbing and I was way too out of shape. We later went rafting thru Brown's Canyon on the Arkansas River near Salado, Colorado. http://www.atraft.com/8-8-03%2017%20C3_small2.jpg Harry was flipped out at Snider's Suckhole and we thought he may have drowned. It was a very tense moment waiting for someone to find him and pull him out of the eddy like water. Harry apparently started caving in the 1940's, back east somewhere. He had a low NSS number. I saw him climb rope at a vertical practice about 10 years ago, and he did fine. I think he has been into Purificacion. I know he climbed Pico Candela, and that inspired me to give it a try. Harry's claim to fame is that he taught his nephew how to cave. His nephew moved to Arizona, and went caving with some other guy and found a little hole that they kept secret for many years called Kartchner Caverns.I recall Harry talking excited about it back around 1991 or so. He also showed me the recent book, before I had seen it at the NSS Convention. Harry became an important role model in my life and I looked to him for wisdom. He more than anybody else, was the caver that advised me to marry my current wife.Had he told me to run for the hills instead, I probably would have.And since I have an incredibly wonderful daughter, I can only tell Harry thank you. Harry based this judgement on at least 2 road-trips from Houston with my then-girlfriend. One to Carta Valley to go in a cave, and the other to at least one TCR ( 2000 ? ) at Flat Creek Ranch. Hurricane Ike was a stressful event for the Walkers.I think it really took a toll on Harry. However, what really may have done him in was that he lost a whole lot of money in his retirement account these past few months. It was only about 4 weeks ago, that he and I sat down at his dinner table and he told me with almost teary eyes that he lost a great deal of money.I can only guess that means 100,000 or more. But he was too upset to talk about it. The tone of his voice was from someone who was wiped out, not the Harry I had known for 19 years. I have been out of work for a few months, and Harry paid me to work in his yard to clean up the debris left over by Hurricane Ike. It was a real mess and he really needed someone with big chainsaws and a bobcat with claws on the front of it.Anyways, I am thankful for him paying me, as it was a big help at this time. My daughter met Harry a few times.She temporarily had a pet turtle. We named it Harry. Harry always wanted to go to Houston Grotto meetings but it was a very difficult drive for him from Dickinson. For a while, another caver, Ray Hertel, was kind enough to bring him to the meetings. I guess it has been 5 years since he was able to attend one, so none of the new cavers know him. I think Harry spent most of his working life for a company called Monsato. He may have been a chemical engineer, but I don't remember. Again, I will let someone who knew more about him, tell Harry's story. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Harry Walker
Hi David, I've only met you at TCR this past year, (tuna fish sandwich), but I've been reading your posts (not the LED ones) for the past few years and think you are a very interesting person. I love that you take such an interest in the caving community and yet claim to be an armchair caver. I also admire that you took such an interest in Harry Walker. Until this last post of yours, I hadn't realized that you had known him from the past. I thought your IKE help was from knowing his previous caver status, not that you'd met and spent time with him in the past. Kudos to you! I'm sad to hear of his passing, but glad that you were there at the end to help with his hurricane dilema. You know he felt comfort and relief from your presence in that horrible time. Good luck in your job hunt and don't forget that you will be blessed for your kind deeds...eventually. (Life is tough, and then you die) A saying I remember from the 80's but not sure of actuallity! Cheers, Jenny Holt (Not to be confused with my REPUBLICAN father, Fritz) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:20:21 -0600 From: gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Harry Walker David, Well done, Thanks, Geary -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:05 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] Harry Walker I will let someone who knew Harry back in his heyday describe him. I met Harry in 1989 at a Houston Grotto Meeting. He appeared to be in his late sixties, but he showed slide shows of recent caving trips to the Sierra Madres. I was very impressed with his slideshows and his enthusiasm. He was always inviting me to go on his trips, and I always had to turn him down, because I couldn't get off school or work, or it conflicted with going to the NSS Convention. Harry and I did got to TCR a few times together, the last being the big flood at Chalk Bluff. And I tried my best to get him to go with me to the TCR, just a few weeks ago. In 1998, Harry invited me on what would be his last attempt to complete all the 14'ers in Colorado. But he planned the trip during the Tennessee NSS Convention, which I was greatly looking forward to. I had to make a tough call, as I knew Harry was 70 something, and I would never again get the privilege of climbing with him. We tried Mt. Anterra, Greys Peak and Torrey's Peak. Harry would have made it to the top had he been with an experienced person, but I had never been mountain climbing and I was way too out of shape. We later went rafting thru Brown's Canyon on the Arkansas River near Salado, Colorado. http://www.atraft.com/8-8-03%2017%20C3_small2.jpg Harry was flipped out at Snider's Suckhole and we thought he may have drowned. It was a very tense moment waiting for someone to find him and pull him out of the eddy like water. Harry apparently started caving in the 1940's, back east somewhere. He had a low NSS number. I saw him climb rope at a vertical practice about 10 years ago, and he did fine. I think he has been into Purificacion. I know he climbed Pico Candela, and that inspired me to give it a try. Harry's claim to fame is that he taught his nephew how to cave. His nephew moved to Arizona, and went caving with some other guy and found a little hole that they kept secret for many years called Kartchner Caverns.I recall Harry talking excited about it back around 1991 or so. He also showed me the recent book, before I had seen it at the NSS Convention. Harry became an important role model in my life and I looked to him for wisdom. He more than anybody else, was the caver that advised me to marry my current wife.Had he told me to run for the hills instead, I probably would have.And since I have an incredibly wonderful daughter, I can only tell Harry thank you. Harry based this judgement on at least 2 road-trips from Houston with my then-girlfriend. One to Carta Valley to go in a cave, and the other to at least one TCR ( 2000 ? ) at Flat Creek Ranch. Hurricane Ike was a stressful event for the Walkers.I think it really took a toll on Harry. However, what really may have done him in was that he lost a whole lot of money in his retirement account these past few months. It was only about 4 weeks ago, that he and I sat down at his dinner table and he told me with almost teary eyes that he lost a great deal of money.I can only guess that means 100,000 or more. But he was too upset to talk about it. The tone of his voice was from someone who was wiped out, not the Harry I had known for 19 years. I have been out of work for a few months, and Harry paid me to work in his yard to clean up the debris left over by Hurricane Ike. It was a real mess and he really needed
