Re: [Texascavers] ICS

[JerryAtkin]

 
Ernie's right; most of the ICS attendees were not aware of the backstage  
dramas that occurred at the ICS.  The organizers and volunteers can  
rightfully be proud of that.  
 
It would be interesting if a book were written about the real story of the  
ICS:  the years of dedication and effort, self sacrifice and  
behind-the-scenes drama, financial fortunes waxing and waning, and the courage  
and 
vision of a few that drove the collective effort to its climactic  conclusion.  
Almost like a sequel to the Huautla book.  and the  made-for-TV version 
could star the movie actors from the Center of the Caving  Universe.   ;>)
 
Jerry.
 
In a message dated 8/1/2009 12:42:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
txwo...@texas.net writes:

Now that all  my ICS guests have left and life can get back to normal, 
I've had time to  reflect about the monumental task the caver community 
has pulled off in  staging the ICS. From the visitor's point of view, 
things went rather  smoothly and the event was well organized. Talking to 
the main volunteers,  one gets a different view: of wayward buses, 
insufficient personnel, lack  of sleep, and a certain amount of chaos. 
The fact that the visitors did  not sense most of this is a testament to 
the volunteer's ability to solve  the problems that arose.

George said it best: "Without the dedicated  volunteers, an event like 
the ICS would not be possible."

-Ernie  Garza




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[NMCAVER] July-August SWC in the mail

[Carol Belski]

The July-August edition of the Southwestern Cavers went in the mail  
this morning (Aug 1, 2009).   Look for yours Monday or Tuesday.


The back cover has instructions to the Labor Day Regional :  the hunt  
for the mysterious location of Pinon Cave.  If nothing else, we'll  
have a good time !


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[Texascavers] The August 2009 issue of "The Hole News" is now on the web

[Bill Bentley]

 The August 2009 issue "Volume 24 # 8" of the Permian Basin Speleological 
Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format.
  It can be found at the URL listed below: 

  http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/pbss8-09.pdf


  And as always more exciting years of back issues can be found at the 
following URL:

  http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews.html

  Many thanks to Kel Thomas for being the editor of "The Hole News" Please be 
sure to send him material!

  Enjoy and Cave Safely,

  Bill

RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Linda Palit]

Vacation is more precious than money 

TRUE for many, I think.

 

It is hard to get enough vacation, even if you are willing to do w/o pay.

I am very fortunate to finally be self employed so that I make more of those
decisions.

Many places will not let one take time off without pay.

 

From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 8:37 AM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

 

I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than
money (I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of my
annual vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...
 
-Denise
 

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related

I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of
their jobs with no vacation compensation
(they forsake income) to attend ICS?  
Unemployment does not count.

-WaV

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[Texascavers] ICS

[Ernest Garza]

Now that all my ICS guests have left and life can get back to normal, 
I've had time to reflect about the monumental task the caver community 
has pulled off in staging the ICS. From the visitor's point of view, 
things went rather smoothly and the event was well organized. Talking to 
the main volunteers, one gets a different view: of wayward buses, 
insufficient personnel, lack of sleep, and a certain amount of chaos. 
The fact that the visitors did not sense most of this is a testament to 
the volunteer's ability to solve the problems that arose.


George said it best: "Without the dedicated volunteers, an event like 
the ICS would not be possible."


-Ernie Garza

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RE: [ot_caving] Life

[Louise Power]

Hi Bill,

 

I just turned 68 in May and trust me, I won't go near one of those things. A 
cat that threatens to tear off your face when you pick her up is dangerous 
enough for me.

 

Louise
 


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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:37:35 -0600
Subject: [ot_caving] Life





Next month I will be 50 years old. About 5 years ago I had the opportunity to 
finally get to ride a horse. This would become a near death experience that has 
changed me forever. My horse riding experience was going great I really thought 
that horseback riding was not so hard and that I didn't see what the fuss was 
about and as everything was going fine until
all at once for no reason the danged horse starts bouncing out of control. He 
was bucking like bronco in the pro rodeo show. I tried with all my might to 
hang on, but eventually was thrown off.
Just when things could not possibly get worse, my foot gets caught in the 
stirrup. When this happened, I fell head first to the ground.My head continued 
to bounce harder as the horse did not stop or even slow down. Just as I was 
giving up hope and starting to lose consciousness, the Wal-Mart manager came 
out and unplugged it.
Thank God for heroes.

Re: [Texascavers] Bill Steele: hero or human tugboat?

[mark gee]

I luv it!





From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
To: texas cavers 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:22:31 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Bill Steele: hero or human tugboat?


This may not count as rocking per se:
  I was on a trip with Bill Steele and others upstream from the natural 
entrance in Honey Creek.  He had a lanyard attached to his boogie board and the 
end trailed behind him a few feet, just enough for me to grab ahold and catch a 
free ride.  He would fuss with his board and gear at which point I would let go 
and swim a few strokes on my own just to keep up appearances.  He finally 
caught on to my parasitism but not before he towed me most of the way from 
Whistler's Mother to the Q&A series.  Sorry Bill, I guess I should watch my 
pack from now on...

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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Re: [Texascavers] Weighting down Bill Steele's pack

[mark gee]

I remember that, way to go Edwin. 
Bill can you feel the love?





From: Frank Binney 
To: Diana Tomchick ; Texas Cavers 

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:31:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Weighting down Bill Steele's pack

Hif the Terminal Siphons didn't already have prior use of the term,
I'd say these stories fall under the category of "Cavers Rocking Cavers".
Ka-thump!
Frank


On 7/31/09 1:09 PM, "Diana Tomchick" 
wrote:

> OK, so I'll add a story that's similar to Andy's...awhile back we had
> a DFW grotto trip into a water cave and Bill supplied a number of
> people with his famous red Whisk laundry detergent bottles as floats.
> The older cavers out there (that includes me) will remember those old
> laundry detergent bottles, they were approximately 4" thick and 8"
> wide and about 12" tall--just perfect to slide into your pack, and a
> carabiner will fit on the handle. About halfway into the trip we found
> a muddy side passage and Bill led a few cavers down the passage, but
> he left his pack behind. Edwin Lehr had finally found an opportunity
> to rock Bill's pack, but alas, there were no rocks to be found. So he
> decided to fill Bill's Whisk bottle with water, which really caused
> the whole pack to want to sink to the bottom of the passage. Bill
> would have spent the whole rest of the trip trying to figure out why
> his pack wouldn't float, but Edwin was new to the ways of rocking and
> he was so pleased with himself that 5 minutes after Bill started back
> upstream, Edwin asked him why his pack wasn't floating. That was
> enough to tip Bill off to the fact that Edwin was messing with him,
> and even Bill admitted that he wouldn't have realized the nature of
> the problem until he had left the cave if Edwin had just stayed quiet.
> 
> Ask Bill sometime about how much his children like to rock him,
> 
> Diana
> 
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> Associate Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biochemistry
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214B 
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. 
> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Charles Goldsmith]

The same for me Denise, but I took off 7 days out of my 10 that I get
a year (2 weeks = 10 working days) of vacation, so it was a big
sacrifice for me as well.  It was a paid vacation, but I get so little
of it...

Very painful

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Denise P wrote:
> I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than
> money (I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of my
> annual vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...
>
> -Denise
>
> 
> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
> From: wavyca...@gmail.com
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related
>
> I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of
> their jobs with no vacation compensation
> (they forsake income) to attend ICS?
> Unemployment does not count.
>
> -WaV
>

Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

[mark gee]

Bill, I found a rock with your name on it! I still owe you a rock or three.





From: Don Cooper 
To: speleoste...@tx.rr.com
Cc: Charles Goldsmith ; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; mark gee ; 
fh...@townandcountryins.com; fr...@frankbinney.com; germa...@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2009 4:33:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

I believe it!  You can TRUST the Man O' Steele at his word!

(Oh, and where did you want me to ship those lead bars to, Bill?)

-WaV


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:43 AM,  wrote:

Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my 
rockin' career was Frank Binney
>last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't need 
>to guard your packs. Don't
>practice "rock paranoia" in other words.
>
>Bill
>
>
> Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
>> I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
>>
>> I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr. 
>> Steele.
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM,  wrote:
>> > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I 
>> > even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden 
>> > rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and 
>> > didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> >
>> >  mark gee  wrote:
>> >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most 
>> >> people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , 
>> >> why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: "germa...@aol.com" 
>> > To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; 
>> > fh...@townandcountryins.com
>> > Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>> >
>> >
>> > He's not the only one who does this!  I've been a victim as well, but 
>> > since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
>> >
>> > julia
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: John P Brooks 
>> > To: Charles Goldsmith ; Frank Binney 
>> > ; Fritz Holt 
>> > Cc: Texas Cavers 
>> > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
>> > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>> >
>> >
>> > LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE 
>> > with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock 
>> > in your pack.
>> >
>> > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING" Thou shalt not 
>> > trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
>> >
>> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: Fritz Holt 
>> >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>> >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" , "Frank Binney" 
>> >>
>> >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" 
>> >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just 
>> >>one of the "fortunate" recipients.
>> >>Fritz
>> >>
>> >>-Original Message-
>> >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
>> >>To: Frank Binney
>> >>Cc: Texas Cavers
>> >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>> >>
>> >>And how long have you known Bill?  Caved with him?
>> >>
>> >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
>> >>
>> >>Charles
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney 
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith"  wrote:
>> >>>
>>  So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
>> 
>> >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
>> >>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
>> >>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
>> >>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
>> >>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
>> >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
>> >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
>> >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
>> >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
>> >>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
>> >>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
>> >>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
>> >>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
>> >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
>> >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
>> >>> have happened to that pack.
>> >>> So imagine my sur

Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bill Bentley]

>I was still mailing

post cards, or making land-line calls.

I prefer telegraphy to voice land lines...

- Original Message - 
From: "David" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related



It looks like at least 100 Texas cavers are on Facebook, and
conversation is more active
there between cavers than on CaveTex.

I have only been there a month, so I don't know when Facebook became so 
popular

among Texas cavers.

But it seems that ICS generated a reason for cavers to connect with
each other on Facebook.

I certainly can now identify more Texas cavers by face and name than I
could prior to ICS and Facebook.

I only wanted to point that out, because it could have a positive
effect on Texas caving, and in 10 years
we can look back and note that something occurred on the caving scene
in the summer of 2009.

I don't think it is a fad. I think as more and more people grow
accustomed to texting on their portable
gadgets, that cavers are going to be in almost constant contact with
one another.

That is completely different, from the way cavers organized trips just
10 years ago.I was still mailing
post cards, or making land-line calls.

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Facebook related

[David]

It looks like at least 100 Texas cavers are on Facebook, and
conversation is more active
there between cavers than on CaveTex.

I have only been there a month, so I don't know when Facebook became so popular
among Texas cavers.

But it seems that ICS generated a reason for cavers to connect with
each other on Facebook.

I certainly can now identify more Texas cavers by face and name than I
could prior to ICS and Facebook.

I only wanted to point that out, because it could have a positive
effect on Texas caving, and in 10 years
we can look back and note that something occurred on the caving scene
in the summer of 2009.

I don't think it is a fad. I think as more and more people grow
accustomed to texting on their portable
gadgets, that cavers are going to be in almost constant contact with
one another.

That is completely different, from the way cavers organized trips just
10 years ago.I was still mailing
post cards, or making land-line calls.

David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Speaking of batteries....

[Gill Edigar]

--Fwd from SIVTAC-->

-- Forwarded message --
From: Cheryl Jones 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:54 PM
Subject: Speaking of batteries
To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu


"New virus-built battery could power cars, electronic devices"

Anne Trafton, News Office
April 2, 2009

For the first time, MIT researchers have shown they can genetically
engineer viruses to build both the positively and negatively charged
ends of a lithium-ion battery.

The new virus-produced batteries have the same energy capacity and
power performance as state-of-the-art rechargeable batteries being
considered to power plug-in hybrid cars, and they could also be used
to power a range of personal electronic devices, said Angela Belcher,
the MIT materials scientist who led the research team." Read full
article here:
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/virus-battery-0402.html

[Texascavers] BlackBerries and this list

[J. LaRue Thomas]

For any of you out there with BlackBerries...I saw a post recently that said 
it was sent from a BlackBerry. My posts get kicked back because my BB 
receives through jlrbi...@sonoratx.net but sends from 
jlrbi...@srs.bis.na.blackberry.com. I have read for seems like hours trying 
to find a fix to no avail.


Perhaps I just need to register the BB address w/the texascaver list?

If someone knows the fix, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Jacqui 



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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Related

[Denise P]

I did not forsake pay, but as vacation time is more precious to me than money 
(I'd take time off without pay if I could), I'd say donating 1/3 of my annual 
vacation time to ICS was no small deal to me. Painful in fact...

 

-Denise
 


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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 03:54:49 -0500
From: wavyca...@gmail.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Related

I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of 
their jobs with no vacation compensation
(they forsake income) to attend ICS?  
Unemployment does not count.

-WaV

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Re: [Texascavers] ICS related

[vivbone]

 Steve'smargin of error was actually .02 inches. Way less than 2 cm.  He 
brought his own equipment from Nevada, and spenta lot of time on it. It is 
greatly appreciated.  I'll be doing awrite up on the results. It's not often we 
get a chance to compare severalsurvey team's (seven to be exact) data to a well 
defined "correct" survey like this. 
-Vivian 
 
10

My good friend Steve Deveny proofed the survey course to i wanna say 2cm and is 
a professional surveyor.  I don't really have any input there just wanted to 
throw kudos where I could.

texascavers Digest 1 Aug 2009 09:33:07 -0000 Issue 816

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texascavers Digest 1 Aug 2009 09:33:07 - Issue 816

Topics (messages 11570 through 11582):

ICS & Big Texas Inn broshure
11570 by: Bill Bentley
11572 by: Bill Bentley

Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
11571 by: Fritz Holt
11582 by: Don Cooper

Weighting down Bill Steele's pack
11573 by: Diana Tomchick
11574 by: Mark Minton
11575 by: Frank Binney

Re: Mary Kay Manning
11576 by: Fritz Holt

Facebook related
11577 by: David

ICS related
11578 by: David
11579 by: Herman Miller
11580 by: Don Cooper
11581 by: Don Cooper

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--- Begin Message ---
Anyone have a copy of this that was in the black bag that was given out at ICS 
registration. I need one as mine got thrown away.
 Contact me off list and can give you my mailing address.
Thanks,

Bill--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
found one... thanks to everyone
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bentley 
  To: Texascavers Mailing List 
  Cc: New Mexico Mailing List 
  Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:51 PM
  Subject: [Texascavers] ICS & Big Texas Inn broshure


  Anyone have a copy of this that was in the black bag that was given out at 
ICS registration. I need one as mine got thrown away.
   Contact me off list and can give you my mailing address.
  Thanks,

  Bill--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Man of Steele occasionally become man of stone.
Tonto


From: Nico Escamilla [mailto:pitboun...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:23 PM
To: Don Arburn
Cc: TSA Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

But probably the most famous

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Don Arburn 
mailto:donarb...@mac.com>> wrote:
He's not the only pack rocker out there.

On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote:

Bill's just bluffing.. Do not leave your pack unattended near him

Nico

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Louise Power 
mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah, right. Does anybody really believe this?

> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:43:09 -0400

> From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com
> To: wo...@justfamily.org
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com; 
> jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; 
> markageetxca...@yahoo.com; 
> fh...@townandcountryins.com; 
> fr...@frankbinney.com; 
> germa...@aol.com

> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
>
> Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my 
> rockin' career was Frank Binney
> last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't 
> need to guard your packs. Don't
> practice "rock paranoia" in other words.
>
> Bill
>
>  Charles Goldsmith mailto:wo...@justfamily.org>> 
> wrote:
> > I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
> >
> > I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr. 
> > Steele.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, 
> > mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com>> wrote:
> > > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I 
> > > even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden 
> > > rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and 
> > > didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >  mark gee 
> > > mailto:markageetxca...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , 
> > >> most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. 
> > >> Bill , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: "germa...@aol.com" 
> > > mailto:germa...@aol.com>>
> > > To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; 
> > > wo...@justfamily.org; 
> > > fr...@frankbinney.com; 
> > > fh...@townandcountryins.com
> > > Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >
> > >
> > > He's not the only one who does this!  I've been a victim as well, but 
> > > since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> > >
> > > julia
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: John P Brooks 
> > > mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net>>
> > > 

Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories

[Don Cooper]

I believe it!  You can TRUST the Man O' Steele at his word!

(Oh, and where did you want me to ship those lead bars to, Bill?)

-WaV

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:43 AM,  wrote:

> Ok, all y'all can relax now. I've quit rocking packs. The pinnacle of my
> rockin' career was Frank Binney
> last week and James Brown this week. I'm going to quit now. So, you don't
> need to guard your packs. Don't
> practice "rock paranoia" in other words.
>
> Bill
>
>  Charles Goldsmith  wrote:
> > I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything.
> >
> > I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr.
> Steele.
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM,  wrote:
> > > Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting.
> I even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden
> rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and
> didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >  mark gee  wrote:
> > >> I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for ,
> most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill
> , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: "germa...@aol.com" 
> > > To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org;
> fr...@frankbinney.com; fh...@townandcountryins.com
> > > Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >
> > >
> > > He's not the only one who does this!  I've been a victim as well, but
> since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing!
> > >
> > > julia
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: John P Brooks 
> > > To: Charles Goldsmith ; Frank Binney <
> fr...@frankbinney.com>; Fritz Holt 
> > > Cc: Texas Cavers 
> > > Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm
> > > Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >
> > >
> > > LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE
> with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in
> your pack.
> > >
> > > Thats like one of the "TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING" Thou shalt not
> trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele...
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>From: Fritz Holt 
> > >>Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >>To: "Charles Goldsmith" , "Frank Binney" <
> fr...@frankbinney.com>
> > >>Cc: "Texas Cavers" 
> > >>Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were
> just one of the "fortunate" recipients.
> > >>Fritz
> > >>
> > >>-Original Message-
> > >>From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> > >>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM
> > >>To: Frank Binney
> > >>Cc: Texas Cavers
> > >>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
> > >>
> > >>And how long have you known Bill?  Caved with him?
> > >>
> > >>Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though.
> > >>
> > >>Charles
> > >>
> > >>On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binney
> wrote:
> > >>> On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, "Charles Goldsmith" 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack?
> > 
> > >>> Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the
> > >>> Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances,
> > >>> and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper
> > >>> inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other
> > >>> Texas cavers back in the 1960s).
> > >>> We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the
> > >>> brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits,
> > >>> rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing
> > >>> tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling
> > >>> down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn
> > >>> light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream
> > >>> in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive
> > >>> new backpack remained in that upper entrance.
> > >>> Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave
> > >>> entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might
> > >>> have happened to that pack.
> > >>> So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher
> > >>> came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob
> > >>> was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a
> > >>> ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with
> it.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2) My other ICS amazing bac

[Texascavers] Re: ICS Related

[Don Cooper]

Um - bad syntax...

I meant "(they had to forsake income) to attend..."

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:

> I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off
> of their jobs with no vacation compensation
> (they forsake income) to attend ICS?
> Unemployment does not count.
>
> -WaV
>

Re: [ot_caving] Life

[Don Cooper]

Good one, Bill!

I hope you have a happy birthday!!!

-wAv

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:

>  Next month I will be 50 years old. About 5 years ago I had the
> opportunity to finally get to ride a horse. This would become a near death
> experience that has changed me forever. My horse riding experience was going
> great I really thought that horseback riding was not so hard and that I
> didn't see what the fuss was about and as everything was going fine
> until
> all at once for no reason the danged horse starts bouncing out of control. He
> was bucking like bronco in the pro rodeo show. I tried with all my might to
> hang on, but eventually was thrown off.
> Just when things could not possibly get worse, my foot gets caught in the
> stirrup. When this happened, I fell head first to the ground.My head
> continued to bounce harder as the horse did not stop or even slow down. Just
> as I was giving up hope and starting to lose consciousness, the Wal-Mart
> manager came out and unplugged it.
> Thank God for heroes.
> 
>
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[Texascavers] ICS Related

[Don Cooper]

I would be interested in knowing how many volunteers at ICS took time off of
their jobs with no vacation compensation
(they forsake income) to attend ICS?
Unemployment does not count.

-WaV