[Texascavers] OT - new cameras

[David]

Your next digital camera just might have a tiny projector integrated
into it, so that
you can project your photos at a cave club meeting onto the wall or a screen.

 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2351143,00.asp

A creative caver, could re-engineer it to make popcorn:

 http://www.instructables.com/id/USB-Popcorn-Maker/

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Re: [Texascavers] Speleolympics Results

[Bill Stephens]

I have complete Speleolympics results for the Obstacle Course and Ladder Climb. 
They will also be posted soon on the NSS Vertical Section website along with 
the results of all of the rope climbing contests. I will send a copy to anyone 
who sends me a personal email asking for such (not supposed to use attachments 
here).
 
Bill Stephens

--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Schuyler Reidel  wrote:


From: Schuyler Reidel 
Subject: [Texascavers] Speleolympics Results
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 11:30 AM


Anyone know where to find the speleolympics results?

Thanks,
   Rocky

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texascavers Digest 6 Aug 2009 02:33:57 -0000 Issue 820

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texascavers Digest 6 Aug 2009 02:33:57 - Issue 820

Topics (messages 11637 through 11660):

Re: ICS follow-up
11637 by: ellie :)
11638 by: kego3.sbcglobal.net
11639 by: Jon Cradit
11643 by: Herman Miller

ICS Wednesday night party
11640 by: Keith Goggin

For those of you who got the ICS ick...
11641 by: Louise Power

ICS followup
11642 by: Nancy Weaver

Mystery Caver of the Month - August 2009
11644 by: David

cave pearl question
11645 by: David

interesting bat video
11646 by: David

Katherine McClure biography in Hill Country magazine :
11647 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com

ICS illnesses
11648 by: J. LaRue Thomas

Speleolympics Results
11649 by: Schuyler Reidel
11651 by: Jim Kennedy

Re: ICS related
11650 by: Butch Fralia

Re: Only one word...
11652 by: Denise P

Mural Cave
11653 by: William H. Russell

Lost at ICS
11654 by: Robert E Burnett

ICS contest Rope for sale
11655 by: Geoff H

cave pearls
11656 by: Mixon Bill

Map cabinet for sale
11657 by: Schwartz, Benjamin

Seeking Logan McNatt's email address!!!
11658 by: Marlena Cobb
11660 by: John P. Brooks

speleo-artist in the news
11659 by: David

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I have been suffering from acute laziness

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:

> I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring
> medical attention.
> Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a
> damn yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.
> Same for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she
> never really got sick).
> .
> -WaV
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> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David  wrote:
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>> I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
>> the Guadalupe River.
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I had a chapped ass one night at the ICS, but a few beers and a couple hours 
sleep cleared it right up...
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From: "ellie :)" 

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:27:33 
To: Don Cooper
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

I have been suffering from acute laziness

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper  wrote:

> I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring
> medical attention.
> Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a
> damn yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.
> Same for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she
> never really got sick).
> .
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YES HE DID, and he let us know about it.
I think his infliction was spread by what is classified as a carrier.


From: ke...@sbcglobal.net [mailto:ke...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:12 PM
To: ellie :); Don Cooper
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

I had a chapped ass one night at the ICS, but a few beers and a couple hours 
sleep cleared it right up...

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From: "ellie :)"
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:27:33 -0500
To: Don Cooper
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up
I have been suffering from acute laziness
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Don Cooper 
mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I understand that Justin Shaw got a badly infected insect bite requiring 
medical attention.
Staying away from those swim trips and remaining in close proximity to a damn 
yankee through most of the convention - I remain, thankfully, healthy.  Same 
for almost all of my bunkmates, 'cept for Yazmine's runny nose (she never 
really got sick).
.
-WaV

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:25 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had 2 tiny scrapes on my skin that became infected after swimming in
the Guadalupe River.

Re: [Texascavers] Seeking Logan McNatt's email address!!!

[John P. Brooks]

logan.mcn...@tpwd.state.tx.us



On 8/5/09 7:32 PM, "Marlena Cobb"  wrote:

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[Texascavers] speleo-artist in the news

[David]

For those of you who missed the art salon,

you can go to Illinois this Friday and see
one of the paintings on display:


http://www.illinois-valley-news.com/archive/2009/08/05/story-artist.html

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[Texascavers] Seeking Logan McNatt's email address!!!

[Marlena Cobb]

If anyone has it, could you please send it to me?  Many thanks!




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[Texascavers] Map cabinet for sale

[Schwartz, Benjamin]

For all you mappers with rolls of paper maps stacked in the corners and 
closets...

We've got a really nice flat-file map cabinet for sale (in San Marcos). We just 
don't have a good place for it and it needs to find a new loving home ASAP 
(this week, if possible). New, these things sell for several thousand dollars. 
I'd like to see it put to good use by cavers.

http://www.mayline.com/pricebookpdf/2009-2010pricelist/09pricelist00343.html

Description:

Hamilton Steel Map Cabinet for 24"x36" sheets
10 drawers on ball-bearing rollers
Drawers are 1" tall
Outside cabinet dimensions are 16.25" high x 43.25" wide x 33.25" deep
A lid/top/cover is included
A homemade stand of treated lumber is also available at no extra charge - if 
you are interested.
Heavy!

Asking $100

First-com, first-served. If you are interested in seeing it, email me off-list 
and I can send pictures. 

Benjamin Schwartz

b...@txstate.edu   or  benandc...@hotmail.com
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[Texascavers] cave pearls

[Mixon Bill]

The cave pearls in the photo David pointed us to look like the common  
sort, formed by deposition around some nucleus and kept from sticking  
to their surroundings by agitation by dripping water.


There are some interesting examples of aragonite cave pearls with  
total absence of internal layering (but with a nucleus) found by the  
La Venta group in a mine near Cuatro Ciénegas, Coahuila. See page 237  
in their book "Under the Desert." They do appear, however, to occur in  
nests right under drips.


Very mysterious are the millions (two hundred million by one  
calculation) covering the whole floor in a large passage in Gruta de  
las Canicas in Tabasco. See AMCS Activities Newsletter 25, page 37.  
The have rough surfaces and are deposited several inches deep, lying  
over a floor of cemented older pearls. There seems to be no sign that  
moving water is involved in keeping them separate--no piling up  
against the wall, for example. I don't know if anybody has dissolved  
or cut in half any of these pearls to see if they have a nucleus.  
There must be an entirely different explanation for these pearl (or  
nodules). Under what circumstances does calcite deposit in separate  
nodules instead of as a single mass? A good question for a chemical  
engineer. A wild guess of mine is that the water that deposited the  
nodules was so charged with CO2 or some other gas that bubbles formed  
on the surfaces of the nodules and kept them apart and agitated.  
Calcite seems to deposit in a water heater in nodules, which can be  
periodically drained out, and heating water usually produces bubbles,  
not from boiling but because gasses are less soluble in hot water.


There are a number of rough nodules that lubricate the floor of a  
wide, flat crawlway in Coach Cave, near Mammoth in Kentucky. Here too  
dripping water cannot be an explanation, but they might be agitated by  
moving water if the crawl occasionally carries a stream. Many are long  
and thin, not spherical. I've dissolved some of them and found things  
like cave-cricket parts inside.

--Mixon

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[Texascavers] ICS contest Rope for sale

[Geoff H]

The Ukrainian woman that won the vertical climbing contest (Katherina?) wanted 
cash instead of the rope she won, so I bought it from her for $100. Reportedly 
60 or 100m, I suspect 60.  I don't need it right now, so it's for sale, for the 
same price paid.  I'll bring it to the UT Grotto meeting tonight.  It's white 
PMI, not certain but looks like 11mm, clean, used once for the climbing contest.

Geoff

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[Texascavers] Lost at ICS

[Robert E Burnett]

Greetings, After cleaning up and puting away from ICS I have found a 25' tape 
measure that is not mine. If you were at the Logan Library working on salon 
displays this may be yours. Describe and its yours.

Rune Bob Burnett

[Texascavers] Mural Cave

[William H. Russell]

Freddie,
	Your question about about Mural Cave brings back memories. 
When I fist arrived in Austin, Mural Cave was one of the first caves 
I visited.   The Austin White lime Co. had provided a road to the 
cave, a ladder to descend the entrance drop, and a picnic table for 
the visitors.  I first met T.R. Evans in Mural Cave and then 
introduced him to organized caving.  But times change and the 
landowner no longer lets anyone on the property unless they have 
official business so the landowner is no longer responsible.  A few 
biologists visited Mural Cave in the 90's as part of environmental 
surveys needed as parts of the property were developed.  No visits 
that I know of in recent years.
	It was a fun cave. I remember one trip where we parked by the 
entrance, and then climbed down the first few feet on the ladder and 
realized the we were parked on the center of the thin roof of the 
large cave room.  We exited the cave and slowly drove our cars back 
about a hundred feet.  The cave will probably end up as a small 
preserve in a subdivision.  It is unlikely there will be any money to 
manage the cave, but perhaps the TCC or the Williamson County 
Foundation will take it on as a project.

Bill Russell



William,
   I have also been wondering about Mural cave. This was a well 
decorated cave in the McNeil area that I visited in 1974 or so. It 
had a fifteen or twenty foot cable ladder drop for an entrance. Has 
this cave been taken into management by T.C.C. or anyone else? Does 
anyone even know where it is anymore?


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[Texascavers] FW: Only one word...

[Denise P]

This month marks the 10th year of losing Christy Quintana in a caving accident 
in San Luis Potosi. I only knew her a year, but she was truly unforgettable. So 
charismatic. I keep this last email from her in my email inbox. 

 

Sniff,

Denise
 
> From: christinequint...@hotmail.com
> To: pepabe...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Only one word...
> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:37:39 -0500
> 
> 
> GOLANDRINAS!! That is the word that I have for you both! Yep... I am going to 
> go down Golandrinas!! Can you believe it? Of course, the real problem will be 
> going up! Anyway, that will probably be on Saturday!! I will think of you 
> both!
> 
> It is really great here!! Everyone is really nice, of course that may be 
> because I do not understand half the time!! No, not really. Unfortunately, I 
> do not have too much access to the computer to write more often. So sad 
> because I know you both miss me terribly!! RIGHT???
> 
> I hope that Colorado has been wonderful. Apesta is a new word that I 
> learned...it means to stink, or from what I hear, is a synonym for Dale 
> Barnard. By the way, one thing that I forgot to bring here...A jacket!! SO ha 
> ha on your cold Colorado. Not only is it cold here but everyone speaks 
> Spanish and there are caves!!
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RE: [Texascavers] Speleolympics Results

[Jim Kennedy]

All ICS/NSS awards will be listed in an upcoming NSS News.

-- Crash

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Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:31 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Speleolympics Results

Anyone know where to find the speleolympics results?

Thanks,
Rocky

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RE: [Texascavers] ICS related

[Butch Fralia]

I'd be happy to work (as time permits) on a set of text and photo pages for
the TSA website if folks who were there would provide the photos and text.

Butch Fralia
TSA Webmaster


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From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:49 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] ICS related

So far, the most informative review I have seen of ICS comes from flipping
thru Frank Binney's Facebook photos.

 http://www.facebook.com/frank.binney?hiq=frank,binney&ref=search

Frank apparently had a lot of fun re-visiting old caving friends.



I think someone needs to put out a web-page with a thorough recap
of ICS with a selection of Frank's photos, and Scott Fee's

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/caverscott/sets/72157621652240404/

And the best of everybody else's photos too, like Ernie Garza's etc.

This would be a good project for a dozen people that wanted to volunteer for
ICS, but couldn't.

It would be too costly to publish something, as it would be
over 100 pages, if not 200.


David Locklear

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[Texascavers] Speleolympics Results

[Schuyler Reidel]

Anyone know where to find the speleolympics results?

Thanks,
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[Texascavers] ICS illnesses

[J. LaRue Thomas]

Those of you who had high fevers, if you removed a tick 1-2 weeks before the 
fever showed up you might ask a medical someone about Lyme Disease.


Not all Lyme Disease presents a bulls-eye rash but a high fever 7-14 days 
after a bite is common. I was Lymed a few years ago caving in NE Sutton 
County and 10 days after the tick I ran a 104 degree fever and had to be 
hauled by friends to an emergency room.


Just a heads-up. Jacqui 



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[Texascavers] Katherine McClure biography in Hill Country magazine :

[JerryAtkin]

Blanco Adventurer
By John Hallowell
How often do you see a Ferrari in a small Texas town? I’d have to say
hardly  ever, but J. Katherine McClure claims that when she lived in the tiny
north  Texas town of Justin (population around 700), the dozen or so Ferraris
in her  shop made it the town with the most Ferraris per capita in the U.S.
Old-timers  would chide her gently, saying “You can’t haul much hay in one
of those.”
McClure lives in Blanco now, when she’s not traveling the world, and the
dilapidated barns around her (rented) old ranch house have occasionally
housed  classic cars worth over a million dollars each. This is her remarkable
story.
Born a fifth-generation Texan in the small town of Decatur, McClure might
well have turned out to be quite parochial in her approach to life. But she
had  a grandmother who ran the local cattle auction and who never did
anything  exactly “by the book.” Katherine must have inherited her grandmother’s
free  spirit, because she was “always restless, always wanting to do
something  different.”
She attended college in Denton, working as a wrangler in a local stable,
and  learned rock-climbing during the summer at Yosemite National Park. She
met a  young man (named Bob) in 1974, whose family was “into stock-car racing;”
 with  his encouragement, she bought a beautiful a 1967 MGB convertible
with a blown  engine. Bob got her a shop manual and loaned her his tools,
telling her “It  doesn’t take a rocket scientist” to re-build an engine. She did
it.
“I was thrilled when it started,” she recalls; Bob then taught her how to
properly drive a sports car.
A little while later, the pair discovered a silver, 1950s-era, Ferrari
convertible stored in a barn. They bought it, fixed it up, and painted it red.
“When I drove it that first time,” McClure remembers, “it was all over. I
was  hooked; there was nothing like it.” She and Bob joined the Ferrari Club
of  America together, and took the car to a national meet.
It turned out that the car was more rare than they had realized, and they
were soon offered an amount for it that they couldn’t afford to turn down.
With  their profits, they were able to buy two Ferraris and had a little cash
left  over. One of their new acquisitions was a 1964 specially-ordered
Ferrari coupe  which had belonged at one time to actor Steve McQueen.
The hobby soon turned into a part-time business, and they rented a shop
near  the railroad in Justin. McClure spent much of her time tracking down and
purchasing old Ferraris. “I’ve had so many crazy adventures driving old
Ferraris  across the country,” she laughs. “I was in my twenties, but I
looked about  twelve, and when I showed up with a paper sack full of cash, some
people just  didn’t know how to react.”
If one of their discoveries wasn’t roadworthy, McClure would drive a 1956
Chevy truck with a flatbed trailer. “I always had Uncle Freddie’s .410
shotgun  with me, just in case,” she says. “But I never had a lick of trouble.”
Over the course of about ten years, McClure estimates that the pair bought
and restored about thirty Ferraris; they also did quite a bit of business
in  Ferrari parts. One of McClure’s jobs was corresponding with the Ferrari
factory  in Italy to make sure that they had the right parts for the right
car. At one  time, McClure received a letter from Enzo Ferrari himself,
written in his  trademark purple ink.

McClure’s work had an unexpected consequence. Over the course of
dismantling  thirty Ferraris, she became one of the world’s leading experts on 
what
was  authentic and what was valuable. So even after she and Bob parted ways in
1984,  her skills were in great demand among serious collectors of classic
cars. That  year had been a bad one all different ways, McClure recalls. Her
business  dissolved and her house burned down, “I thought I was done with
cars forever.”  She had been climbing mountains and exploring caves for
years; that year, she  decided to go to live on the beach in Mexico.
“It was warm, and far away.” She explains. “I lived in a grass hut on a
cove  (on the Pacific coast) and speared fish for a year. It was the best
therapy  possible.”
Her next stop was New York City, where she, recalling the days when her 
grandmother would take her along on trips to Dallas to purchase uncut diamonds
 as an investment, decided to study under the Hasidic Jews at the
Gemological  Institute of America. New York was a “big shock,” she says. “I was
still having  trouble wearing shoes.” She worked as a “cater waiter” and a hack
driver to pay  her way through the school, then returned to Texas to be a
gem dealer.  (Interestingly enough, she met Jacques Vaucher twenty years ago
in New York; he  has since moved to the Hill Country, too, and was featured
in the Winter 2008  issue of Texas Hill Country magazine.)
Things didn’t go as well as she had hoped, and when old acquaintances from
the car business began calling, she started a brokerage (“just me”) for “
old  cronies with very special ca