[Texascavers] SA city council votes to protect Camp Bullis :

[JerryAtkin]

 
 
Council votes to protect Bullis 
By Tracy Idell Hamilton -  Express-News 
Developers who hope to build near Camp Bullis will have to file sworn  
statements with the city of San Antonio that they have complied with the 
federal 
 Endangered Species Act. 
The City Council voted unanimously Thursday to impose the rule, and later  
voted to expand the downward lighting ordinance from three to five miles 
around  the camp. 
Both measures are meant to protect Camp Bullis' mission — the training of  
military medics. 
That mission is tied to the employment of thousands of people at Fort Sam  
Houston, which pumps millions of dollars into the local economy, city 
leaders  say. 
The recently completed Camp Bullis Joint Land Use Study, or JLUS, urged  
passage of the rules. Mayor Julián Castro has vowed to implement the rest of 
the  study's recommendations as quickly as possible. 
“Today's vote sends a strong signal to the community that protecting the  
military is a priority in San Antonio,” he said. “We will do whatever is 
legally  enforceable to make sure we continue to be known as Military City 
U.S.A. for  decades to come.” 
The Army — which has warned that increasing encroachment could force it to  
close Camp Bullis, which in turn could jeopardize Fort Sam Houston — 
praised the  actions. 
But some developers contend the new law goes too far and that the city 
should  expect a court challenge. Others people worry it doesn't go far enough. 
Rod Sanchez, the city's director of planning and development services,  
defended the ordinance in his presentation to the council. The measure simply  “
facilitates” enforcement of the Endangered Species Act, he said. 
It would still be up to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to investigate  
claims made by developers, and to prosecute those who don't comply with the  
federal rules. 
San Antonio's ordinance seeks to protect habitat crucial to the  
golden-cheeked warbler and karst invertebrates, or “cave bugs,” which 
scientists  say 
are indicators of Edwards Aquifer water quality and quantity. 
As development around Camp Bullis in northern Bexar County has reduced that 
 habitat, military officials have said more warblers have flocked to the 
training  grounds — putting more of it off limits because of federal rules. 
Already, some training activities have become seasonal in order to avoid  
disrupting warbler mating habitat. 
Not every property around the camp would require a survey. If a landowner 
or  developer can show the property doesn't have karst caves or foliage used 
by  warblers, they'll simply check off a box and sign the habitat form. 
But if the land has habitat potential, a developer would have to file an  
affidavit that the necessary survey has been done, and include the name of 
the  biologist who did it. 
The city then would turn over those forms and affidavits to Fish and  
Wildlife. 
Critics say the federal agency never has prosecuted a developer here for  
violating the Endangered Species Act. Officials with Fish and Wildlife's 
Austin  office long have said their actions are limited by rules that prohibit 
them from  entering private property without permission. 
Deputy City Manager Pat DiGiovanni said Fish and Wildlife officials have  
pledged to investigate projects referred to them by the city. 
“Whether they do it or not is a different story,” he added. “But they've 
told  us that they would.” 
Members of the council said constituents are constantly asking what the 
city  is doing to protect Camp Bullis. 
“Few issues mobilize the community like this one,” Councilman John Clamp  
said. 
The council has been working on it since 2008, when the Army raised 
concerns  about encroaching development. 
After approving the creation of the JLUS, it created several short-term  
initiatives to help protect Bullis while the land-use study was under way,  
including the dark-sky ordinance, which was implemented last winter and 
designed  to reduce glare that interferes with medics' night training. 
Implementing the JLUS recommendations “doesn't happen as quickly as some  
folks would like,” Councilman Justin Rodriguez said, “but we're moving  
methodically forward.” 
Michael Moore, a residential developer and past president of the Greater 
San  Antonio Builders Association, said he doesn't buy the distinction the 
city has  made between enforcing the Endangered Species Act and “facilitating 
its  enforcement.” 
He said that if the community is intent on not having land around Camp 
Bullis  developed, it should pony up the money to buy it. Anything short of 
that 
is an  unconstitutional taking, he said. 
Staff Writer Sig Christenson contributed to this report. 
_http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/53821942.html_ 
(http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/53821942.html) 

texascavers Digest 21 Aug 2009 19:41:00 -0000 Issue 830

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Topics (messages 11781 through 11798):

Re: OT - walkie-talkies 11771 by: David
11781 by: egelsone.satx.rr.com

SA city council votes to protect Camp Bullis :
11782 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com

Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild 
boar fat)
11783 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com
11784 by: Diana Tomchick
11785 by: kego3.sbcglobal.net
11786 by: Don Cooper
11787 by: Fofo
11788 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11789 by: Don Arburn
11790 by: Don Arburn
11791 by: Gill Edigar
11792 by: Don Arburn
11793 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com
11794 by: Fritz Holt
11795 by: Fofo
11796 by: Brian Riordan
11797 by: Lyndon Tiu
11798 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com

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All,

Range in a line of site radio like VHF or UHF is dependent upon several 
variables.

Primarily the key issue is exactle as it sounds... LINE OF SITE
Follow that with all of the other radio issues such as antenna, power, receiver 
sensitivity, selectivity bandwidth and the ambient/relative RF noise floor 
where you are at and you can make a very accurate picture of RANGE.  Without 
knowledge of all of those variable. it is all a best guess.  One thing you will 
find out as you experiment with range is the it always works better at 
night.

VHF has slightly better overall range than UHF.  With the use of a repeater (a 
gadget that employes two channels to operate on usually sited in a prime 
location.) the range issue gets much better but also much more complicated.

Set up a radio repeater in a high and well sited location and it can extend the 
range of a radio by a very large factor. 

Around a campsite. maybe a few hundred feet to a few short miles.  Using a well 
sited repeater, maybe 5 or 10 or even 20 miles radius of the repeater site.

yes airplanes get great range but, they are all using AM modulation and are 
properly installed and anywhere from one to many thousands of feet in the air.  
Their range becomes limited by the environment and frequency they operate on.  

Ed
Back to lurking

 Pete Lindsley  wrote: 
> We just got a pair of Motorola Talkabout T9500XLR radios from Radio  
> Shack. They work with NiMH rechargeable or alkaline batteries and  
> includes a NOOA weather radio. They claim:
> Mountain to valley of up to 25 miles
> Lake (over water) of up to 10 miles
> Urban up to 2 miles.
> They have a "power boost" feature that increases the transmit power  
> to the GMRS/FRS channels (Channels 1-7, 462.5625-462.7125 MHz) and  
> the GMRS only channels (Channels 15-22, 462.5500-462.7250 MHz). But  
> the Tx power for the FRS only channels (Channels 8-14,  
> 467.5625-467.7125 MHz is only the "low power". (Note that adjacent  
> channels are not adjacent frequencies.)
> 
> We recently tried a mountain-to-valley transmission (Sandias) that  
> was not quite line-of-sight (some mountain was in the way) and the  
> distance was about 4.6 miles. It barely worked. Perhaps a line of  
> sight link would have been better. The problem is that when you are  
> receiving on the mountain you are up high enough to receive  
> everyone's transmission so choice of channel is important.
> 
> Do various cave projects have specific frequencies / channels that  
> they use in the field?
> 
>   - Pete
> 
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 10:36 AM, SS wrote:
> 
> 36 miles is easily reachable, of course on UHF and VHF this would  
> have to be a direct line of sight.
> 
> Most aviation UHF and VHF radios are only 10 watts….and have a line  
> of sight range of over a hundred sixty miles.  Good line of sight  
> from 30,000 feet.
> 
> On the ground you might get a half mile to three depending on the  
> terrain.  Unless you were on the side of a mountain talking to  
> someone in the valley or on another mountain.  In that case I could  
> see 36 miles could be possible.
> 
> From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@maverickgrotto.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:17 PM
> To: k...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] OT - walkie-talkies 11771 by: David
> 
> I have 4 of the Motorola radios and a license to boot.  They are  
> usually good for a couple of miles in the hill country.  I haven’t  
> really tried them out on open ground though I’m sure someone on this  
> list has.
> 
> It’s possible the Midland radios have a greater range, they have a  
> larger antenna.  Depends on how well the length of the antenna is  
> matched to the frequency.  I’d sure question 36 miles however!
> 
> Butch Fralia
> 
> From: k...@aol.com [mailto:k...@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:49 PM

[Texascavers] WNS on NPR

[Mark Minton]

There was a good story about White-Nose Syndrome on NPR Wednesday
evening:
. I like
the formations in bat roosts they call pisscicles.

Mark Minton 

[Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

[Diana Tomchick]

Yes, I am unashamed about the fact that I am a Bear Grylls fan. Come  
on folks, it's a TV show--of course it's primary purpose is to  
entertain, and not all of the adventure depicted is going to be as  
real as you might think (or hope) it to be. But you have to admit,  
it's darn entertaining. One of my favorite scenes was when Bear found  
a dead animal on the tundra (a mountain goat, I think) and it was  
already starting to turn bad. He decided to not only make it a meal,  
he started gnawing on the raw meat and then offered it to the  
cameraman (who politely turned it down). Every time Steele and I see  
that episode it makes us yell at the TV in delighted disgust.


BTW, Bear is well known for leading many expeditions that were not  
filmed for TV broadcast, and many of these could have legitimately  
killed him. This includes crossing the North Atlantic with four other  
men in an inflatable life raft; for this feat the British Royal Navy  
awarded him an Honorary Commission as a Lieutenant-Commander. He is  
well known for the ability to not only raise enough money to pay for  
his expeditions, but to also contribute money from these adventures to  
various charities that benefit children. He was recently named Chief  
Scout (and the youngest one, ever) by the Scout Association (the U.K.  
Scouting association), the same role created for Robert Baden-Powell  
in 1920.


Diana

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Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
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Re: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

[Lyndon Tiu]

Diana Tomchick wrote:
Yes, I am unashamed about the fact that I am a Bear Grylls fan. 


I am too but not ashamed, no.

I prefer Bear over that other guy who goes in to the bush alone with a 
camera. And Bear looks prettier in the bush ;)


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Re: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

[Fofo]

Hey, maybe we are just jealous, sitting in front of a computer while he 
is out there squeezing his mid-day snack out of a polar bear's turd.

:)


 - Fofo

Diana Tomchick wrote, on 21/8/09 12:47:
Yes, I am unashamed about the fact that I am a Bear Grylls fan. Come on 
folks, it's a TV show--of course it's primary purpose is to entertain, 
and not all of the adventure depicted is going to be as real as you 
might think (or hope) it to be. But you have to admit, it's darn 
entertaining. One of my favorite scenes was when Bear found a dead 
animal on the tundra (a mountain goat, I think) and it was already 
starting to turn bad. He decided to not only make it a meal, he started 
gnawing on the raw meat and then offered it to the cameraman (who 
politely turned it down). Every time Steele and I see that episode it 
makes us yell at the TV in delighted disgust.


BTW, Bear is well known for leading many expeditions that were not 
filmed for TV broadcast, and many of these could have legitimately 
killed him. This includes crossing the North Atlantic with four other 
men in an inflatable life raft; for this feat the British Royal Navy 
awarded him an Honorary Commission as a Lieutenant-Commander. He is well 
known for the ability to not only raise enough money to pay for his 
expeditions, but to also contribute money from these adventures to 
various charities that benefit children. He was recently named Chief 
Scout (and the youngest one, ever) by the Scout Association (the U.K. 
Scouting association), the same role created for Robert Baden-Powell in 
1920.


Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu

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Re: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

[Scott Nicholson]

And, I think at one time Bear was the youngest person to have summitted Mr. 
Everest.
Scott Nicholson, Director
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512-947-2688
Discovery Realty Group
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From: Diana Tomchick 
To: Cave Tex 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:47:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

Yes, I am unashamed about the fact that I am a Bear Grylls fan. Come on folks, 
it's a TV show--of course it's primary purpose is to entertain, and not all of 
the adventure depicted is going to be as real as you might think (or hope) it 
to be. But you have to admit, it's darn entertaining. One of my favorite scenes 
was when Bear found a dead animal on the tundra (a mountain goat, I think) and 
it was already starting to turn bad. He decided to not only make it a meal, he 
started gnawing on the raw meat and then offered it to the cameraman (who 
politely turned it down). Every time Steele and I see that episode it makes us 
yell at the TV in delighted disgust.

BTW, Bear is well known for leading many expeditions that were not filmed for 
TV broadcast, and many of these could have legitimately killed him. This 
includes crossing the North Atlantic with four other men in an inflatable life 
raft; for this feat the British Royal Navy awarded him an Honorary Commission 
as a Lieutenant-Commander. He is well known for the ability to not only raise 
enough money to pay for his expeditions, but to also contribute money from 
these adventures to various charities that benefit children. He was recently 
named Chief Scout (and the youngest one, ever) by the Scout Association (the 
U.K. Scouting association), the same role created for Robert Baden-Powell in 
1920.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B    
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.    
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
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RE: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

[Stefan Creaser]

Youngest Brit, I think...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Grylls

 

 

From: Scott Nicholson [mailto:csnichol...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:26 PM
To: Diana Tomchick; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

 

And, I think at one time Bear was the youngest person to have summitted
Mr. Everest.

 

Scott Nicholson, Director
KW Commercial
512-947-2688
Discovery Realty Group
www.DiscoveryAustin.com
www.KWCommercial.com 

 

 



From: Diana Tomchick 
To: Cave Tex 
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:47:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

Yes, I am unashamed about the fact that I am a Bear Grylls fan. Come on
folks, it's a TV show--of course it's primary purpose is to entertain,
and not all of the adventure depicted is going to be as real as you
might think (or hope) it to be. But you have to admit, it's darn
entertaining. One of my favorite scenes was when Bear found a dead
animal on the tundra (a mountain goat, I think) and it was already
starting to turn bad. He decided to not only make it a meal, he started
gnawing on the raw meat and then offered it to the cameraman (who
politely turned it down). Every time Steele and I see that episode it
makes us yell at the TV in delighted disgust.

BTW, Bear is well known for leading many expeditions that were not
filmed for TV broadcast, and many of these could have legitimately
killed him. This includes crossing the North Atlantic with four other
men in an inflatable life raft; for this feat the British Royal Navy
awarded him an Honorary Commission as a Lieutenant-Commander. He is well
known for the ability to not only raise enough money to pay for his
expeditions, but to also contribute money from these adventures to
various charities that benefit children. He was recently named Chief
Scout (and the youngest one, ever) by the Scout Association (the U.K.
Scouting association), the same role created for Robert Baden-Powell in
1920.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
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RE: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

[Fritz Holt]

As I am a Bally health club member I have been receiving Men's Journal although 
I haven't had the time to read them. I have before me the April 2009 issue 
which I saved to show to an old friend.The cover picture of Bear Grylls looks 
exactly like I remember my friend (Dick Bergstrom) from 45 years ago. I will 
show it to Dick when I visit him soon. All of this controversy will now compel 
me to read the four page article. You may be able to read it on mensjournal.com.
Fritz


From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:29 PM
To: Scott Nicholson; Diana Tomchick; Cave Tex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

Youngest Brit, I think...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Grylls


From: Scott Nicholson [mailto:csnichol...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:26 PM
To: Diana Tomchick; Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Am I the only Bear Grylls fan on Texascavers?

And, I think at one time Bear was the youngest person to have summitted Mr. 
Everest.

Scott Nicholson, Director
KW Commercial
512-947-2688
Discovery Realty Group
www.DiscoveryAustin.com
www.KWCommercial.com


.  Thank you.

[Texascavers] Bear Grylls

[David]

The caving episode that I saw was in Belize.

He ate a large scorpion live, but it wasn't the poisonous kind.

That was after he spent 30 minutes chasing a giant rat that was about
15 inches long.He almost broke
several speleothems trying to stomp on the rat but it got away. He
was going to roast it on his
torch. I wonder if they planted the rat in the scene.

While it might not be caving, it does give an idea what life might
have been like for a caveman
trying to stay alive.

He did not enjoy eating it, but it looked like he really ate it live.


On a related note,

It seems like all recreational activities are being pushed to extremes
that none of us could
have ever imagined.It seems like a lot of people want to be the
number one slot on Whacked-Out
Sports.  To get to that spot, you have to look like you died, but
survived with just a few organs
left functioning.

I was going to add a link to a video clip, but after watching it 2 or
3 times, it was just too graphic.

David

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[Texascavers] carpool to the Christy Quintana 10-year anniversary thing at Inner Space Caverns?

[Dale Barnard]

If anyone wants to carpool from South Austin (or near I35 somewhere), I'm 
planning to head up toward the caverns around 9:30.

Give me a call: 512-506-1113

Dale


  

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[Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[speleosteele]

>From TagNet this morning:

Man vs. Wild 
  By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky) 
 
Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host) 
got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama. He got some 
whitewater in on a hand made raft, scaled a tree down a 80' cliff and 
entered a cave. Now this is were it gets interesting. He killed a wild 
boar and used the fat to soak a strip of t-shirt and made a torch. He 
then climbed down into this cave and explored. Along the way he ate a 
cave cricket and then climbed down and fell into a lower level stream 
passage. His torch went out and he used a flint and knife to light his 
way to a wet exit. I have never tried caving that way and don't ever 
want to. Anyone out there know where he was or anything about the cave? 


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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Diana Tomchick]

What a dude--I'd love to try this kind of caving with Bear.

Diana

On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:39 AM,  > wrote:



From TagNet this morning:


Man vs. Wild
 By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky)

Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host)
got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama. He got some
whitewater in on a hand made raft, scaled a tree down a 80' cliff and
entered a cave. Now this is were it gets interesting. He killed a wild
boar and used the fat to soak a strip of t-shirt and made a torch. He
then climbed down into this cave and explored. Along the way he ate a
cave cricket and then climbed down and fell into a lower level stream
passage. His torch went out and he used a flint and knife to light his
way to a wet exit. I have never tried caving that way and don't ever
want to. Anyone out there know where he was or anything about the  
cave?



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University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[kego3]

Whatever cave it was I'm betting it's not too far from a nice hotel. 
--Original Message--
From: Diana Tomchick
To: 
Cc: Tex Cave
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a 
strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)
Sent: Aug 21, 2009 11:47 AM

What a dude--I'd love to try this kind of caving with Bear.

Diana

On Aug 21, 2009, at 6:39 AM,   wrote:

>> From TagNet this morning:
>
> Man vs. Wild
>  By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky)
>
> Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host)
> got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama. He got some
> whitewater in on a hand made raft, scaled a tree down a 80' cliff and
> entered a cave. Now this is were it gets interesting. He killed a wild
> boar and used the fat to soak a strip of t-shirt and made a torch. He
> then climbed down into this cave and explored. Along the way he ate a
> cave cricket and then climbed down and fell into a lower level stream
> passage. His torch went out and he used a flint and knife to light his
> way to a wet exit. I have never tried caving that way and don't ever
> want to. Anyone out there know where he was or anything about the  
> cave?
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Don Cooper]

Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' - it probably IS
some form of 'S.'...
-WaV

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:39 AM,  wrote:

> From TagNet this morning:
> c
> Man vs. Wild
>  By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky)
>
> Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host)
> got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama.
>

Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Fofo]

Sounds like another episode I saw, where he got into a mine with a torch 
that he dipped in kerosene. He went deeper, downclimbed a shaft, _then_ 
his torch went out (and I thought, "In real life, that would pretty much 
be 'game over'") and he said how dangerous the whole thing was and he 
kept walking (in total darkness, recorder in IR), following the wall, 
until he found the exit.


I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he 
tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and 
later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right...


 - Fofo

Don Cooper wrote, on 21/8/09 9:48:
Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' - it probably 
IS some form of 'S.'...

-WaV

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:39 AM, > wrote:


 From TagNet this morning:
c
Man vs. Wild
 By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky)

Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host)
got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama.




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RE: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Mark . Alman]

 
I lost interest in this guy and his show when I repeatedly saw him doing things 
that were either unnecessary, dangerous, or just plain stupid.
 
Then, fraud and hoaxes were introduced.
 
Read below:
 
 
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/news/nationalnews/grylls_thrills_bogus__expert_nationalnews_don_kaplan.htm
 
 
If you want to see the real deal, watch Les Stroud on Survivorman.
 
No camera crew, no cushy digs, and he films EVERYTHING himself.
 
 
Sets up the shot, starts the camera, walks off a quarter mile or around or 
threw a lake, and has to go back and fetch the camera.
 
 
What a beating.
 
But, a great show!
 
They are all now in reruns, as he has retired from the show.
 
 
Later,
 
Mark
 
 
 



From: Fofo [mailto:gonza...@msu.edu]
Sent: Fri 8/21/2009 12:23 PM
To: texascavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a 
strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)



Sounds like another episode I saw, where he got into a mine with a torch
that he dipped in kerosene. He went deeper, downclimbed a shaft, _then_
his torch went out (and I thought, "In real life, that would pretty much
be 'game over'") and he said how dangerous the whole thing was and he
kept walking (in total darkness, recorder in IR), following the wall,
until he found the exit.

I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he
tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and
later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right...

  - Fofo

Don Cooper wrote, on 21/8/09 9:48:
> Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' - it probably
> IS some form of 'S.'...
> -WaV
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:39 AM,  > wrote:
>
>  From TagNet this morning:
> c
> Man vs. Wild
>  By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky)
>
> Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls (host)
> got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama.
>
>

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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Don Arburn]

Read Bears disclaimer at the start of the show. Kinda kills the whole  
thing. Recently, he tried to trap a caribou, when he failed, the land  
steward provided one for him. He promptly lost most of the meat doing  
something foolish, like climbing down a frozen waterfall. He is a  
strong, well trained and knowledgable, but also a showman. He did an  
episode with Will Ferrel, what does that tell you. His shows are  
entertaining, like a circus.



Don's iPhone.

On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:51 PM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:



I lost interest in this guy and his show when I repeatedly saw him  
doing things that were either unnecessary, dangerous, or just plain  
stupid.


Then, fraud and hoaxes were introduced.

Read below:


http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/news/nationalnews/grylls_thrills_bogus__expert_nationalnews_don_kaplan.htm


If you want to see the real deal, watch Les Stroud on Survivorman.

No camera crew, no cushy digs, and he films EVERYTHING himself.


Sets up the shot, starts the camera, walks off a quarter mile or  
around or threw a lake, and has to go back and fetch the camera.



What a beating.

But, a great show!

They are all now in reruns, as he has retired from the show.


Later,

Mark




From: Fofo [mailto:gonza...@msu.edu]
Sent: Fri 8/21/2009 12:23 PM
To: texascavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch  
made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)


Sounds like another episode I saw, where he got into a mine with a  
torch
that he dipped in kerosene. He went deeper, downclimbed a shaft,  
_then_
his torch went out (and I thought, "In real life, that would pretty  
much

be 'game over'") and he said how dangerous the whole thing was and he
kept walking (in total darkness, recorder in IR), following the wall,
until he found the exit.

I stopped believing the whole thing one time when he did a rappel, he
tied one end of the rope, threw the rest down and descended -- and
later, he had the whole rope again with him! Uh, yeah, right...

  - Fofo

Don Cooper wrote, on 21/8/09 9:48:
> Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' - it  
probably

> IS some form of 'S.'...
> -WaV
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:39 AM,  > wrote:
>
>  From TagNet this morning:
> c
> Man vs. Wild
>  By: Karl Niles  (Bowling Green, Kentucky)
>
> Caught an episode of Man vs. Wild Wednesday night. Bear Grylls  
(host)

> got dropped off by chopper in a remote area of Alabama.
>
>

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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Don Arburn]

He has a all new season, these are all new.


Don's iPhone.



They are all now in reruns, as he has retired from the show.
Later,
Mark

Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Gill Edigar]

Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and all
that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. My guess
is that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to lend a hand,
offer a suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't screw
something up and die.
Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of at
least 2 or 3 traipsing along with um.

--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Don Arburn]

Bear has a crew. Les is alone. Les' show was called Survivorman.  
Bear's is Man vs Wild.



Don's iPhone.

On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:56 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound,  
and all that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into  
it 100%. My guess is that he's never alone--always got somebody  
standing by to lend a hand, offer a suggestion, keep an eye on him  
to make sure he doesn't screw something up and die.


Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew  
of at least 2 or 3 traipsing along with um.


--Ediger


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RE: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Mark . Alman]

That's him, Gill, but he does have an emergency radio with him.
 
He also gets training in the local flora and other conditions in order to know 
the terrain and food sources available.
 
Other than that, he's on his own.
 
He's one tough dude and I admire what he does and how he does it.
 
He's calm with a level headed demeanor and doesn't ever do anything just for 
the show or to trick it up.
 
I've learned a lot watching him, although, I still wouldn't go out and do what 
he does for a living!
 
 
Mark
 



From: bgillegi...@gmail.com on behalf of Gill Edigar
Sent: Fri 8/21/2009 1:56 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a 
strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)


Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and all 
that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. My guess is 
that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to lend a hand, offer a 
suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't screw something up and 
die.  

Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of at least 
2 or 3 traipsing along with um.

--Ediger

RE: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Fritz Holt]

Support crew, such as in the show "Survivor", of which I have only seen 
advertising previews.
Fritz


From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill 
Edigar
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:57 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a 
strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and all 
that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. My guess is 
that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to lend a hand, offer a 
suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't screw something up and 
die.

Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of at least 
2 or 3 traipsing along with um.

--Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Fofo]

This one is awesome:


"I'm in luck," he told viewers, apparently coming across four wild
horses grazing in a meadow. "A chance to use an old Native American
mode of transport comes my way. This is one of the few places in the
whole of the U.S. where horses still roam wild."

In fact, Weinert said, the horses were not wild but were brought in
by trailer.



 - Fofo


Gill Edigar wrote, on 21/8/09 11:56:
Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and 
all that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. 
My guess is that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to 
lend a hand, offer a suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he 
doesn't screw something up and die. 

Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of 
at least 2 or 3 traipsing along with um.


--Ediger


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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Brian Riordan]

Ok, so maybe Bear has some help.  Maybe he spits out the zebra corpse
and chases the taste away with big mac as soon as the shot is over.
He might even get foot rubs every night and sleep on siberian goose
down comforters with 1500 thread count Egyptian cotton sheets.
Regardless, he's a badass on screen.  Who goes researching what Clint
Eastwood did between 'being a badass' shots to invalidate how cool he
was?  I eat it up.

And let's face it: if your'e ever in the likely situation where you've
just killed a wild boar and are facing having to negotiate a pitch
black cave, you're gonna give the old wild-boar-fat-torch a try, and
you'll be glad ole' Bear gave you a heads up.

The horse comment was pretty bad, I admit.  But who can argue with
wringing water out of fresh elephant feces to stay hydrated?  I feel
like I can counter any nay-sayers with that last bit of Bear trivia.
For example, please refer to the following hypothetical dialogue:

Coworker X:  "Bear Grylles is a fraud and broke my trust by smuggling
a tic tac between shots.  And I heard from a reliable source that he
uses his outrageous income to sleep at hotels while shooting an
episode."

Me:  "...Yah, that may be true, Coworker X, but he drank elephant
feces juice.  Elephant.  Feces.  Juice.  Ruminate on that prospect a
moment and then call him a poser again..."


-B

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Fofo wrote:
>
>
> This one is awesome:
>
>> "I'm in luck," he told viewers, apparently coming across four wild
>> horses grazing in a meadow. "A chance to use an old Native American
>> mode of transport comes my way. This is one of the few places in the
>> whole of the U.S. where horses still roam wild."
>>
>> In fact, Weinert said, the horses were not wild but were brought in
>> by trailer.
>
>
>     - Fofo
>
>
> Gill Edigar wrote, on 21/8/09 11:56:
>>
>> Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and
>> all that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. My
>> guess is that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to lend a
>> hand, offer a suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't screw
>> something up and die.
>> Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of at
>> least 2 or 3 traipsing along with um.
>>
>> --Ediger
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Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Lyndon Tiu]

Don Cooper wrote:
Nay, but following Occam's Razor - "If it smells of 'B.S.' 


Camera doesn't show you ... probably a dozen support crew following Bear 
behind the camera.


--
Lyndon Tiu

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RE: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Mark . Alman]

Heck, Brian, I did that on the way to work this AM!
 
Now, I'm about to leave work and have to do it all over again.   8^)>
 
 
(Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Mark
 
 



From: Brian Riordan [mailto:riordan.br...@gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 8/21/2009 2:35 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a 
strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)



Ok, so maybe Bear has some help.  Maybe he spits out the zebra corpse
and chases the taste away with big mac as soon as the shot is over.
He might even get foot rubs every night and sleep on siberian goose
down comforters with 1500 thread count Egyptian cotton sheets.
Regardless, he's a badass on screen.  Who goes researching what Clint
Eastwood did between 'being a badass' shots to invalidate how cool he
was?  I eat it up.

And let's face it: if your'e ever in the likely situation where you've
just killed a wild boar and are facing having to negotiate a pitch
black cave, you're gonna give the old wild-boar-fat-torch a try, and
you'll be glad ole' Bear gave you a heads up.

The horse comment was pretty bad, I admit.  But who can argue with
wringing water out of fresh elephant feces to stay hydrated?  I feel
like I can counter any nay-sayers with that last bit of Bear trivia.
For example, please refer to the following hypothetical dialogue:

Coworker X:  "Bear Grylles is a fraud and broke my trust by smuggling
a tic tac between shots.  And I heard from a reliable source that he
uses his outrageous income to sleep at hotels while shooting an
episode."

Me:  "...Yah, that may be true, Coworker X, but he drank elephant
feces juice.  Elephant.  Feces.  Juice.  Ruminate on that prospect a
moment and then call him a poser again..."


-B

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Fofo wrote:
>
>
> This one is awesome:
>
>> "I'm in luck," he told viewers, apparently coming across four wild
>> horses grazing in a meadow. "A chance to use an old Native American
>> mode of transport comes my way. This is one of the few places in the
>> whole of the U.S. where horses still roam wild."
>>
>> In fact, Weinert said, the horses were not wild but were brought in
>> by trailer.
>
>
> - Fofo
>
>
> Gill Edigar wrote, on 21/8/09 11:56:
>>
>> Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and
>> all that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. My
>> guess is that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to lend a
>> hand, offer a suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't screw
>> something up and die.
>> Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of at
>> least 2 or 3 traipsing along with um.
>>
>> --Ediger
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RE: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

[Linda Palit]

No, he always says he has a camera crew.

And He is a showman, as Gill says.

 

But he also is an amazingly strong guy who cannot stand to not push himself.


Look for the episode of him parasailing on Everest --- probably higher than
any man  had done that.

Pretty amazing.  Pretty dumb, too, if you count risking your life dumb.  

Interesting either way.

 

I like to watch him occasionally - but take it for what it is o-Bear
showboating and strutting his stuff.

Somebody does some pretty good research for the show too.

 

That survivor guy is much more real and much more boring.

Course, I mont one to say because I call lots of television boring compared
to other stuff.

 

From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill
Edigar
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:57 PM
To: Diana Tomchick
Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bear Grylls goes caving (with a torch made of a
strip of t-shirt soaked in wild boar fat)

 

Is this the guy that claims to be doing his own photography, sound, and all
that? If so, I've seen a few bits of it and don't buy into it 100%. My guess
is that he's never alone--always got somebody standing by to lend a hand,
offer a suggestion, keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn't screw
something up and die. 

 

Most of those sort of adventure shows will have a film/support crew of at
least 2 or 3 traipsing along with um.

 

--Ediger