[Texascavers] Fw: Guads Caves Available for Recreational Caving
FYI, Mark. - Forwarded Message From: Ken Harrington To: NM Cavers Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 4:54:13 PM Subject: [NMCAVER] Guads Caves Available for Recreational Caving Hi folks, I met with the District Ranger for the Guadlupe District this morning and received a copy of the list of caves currently available for recreational caving in the guads (see attached). There are other caves that are currently closed for bats that may be available later in the year, for example, Pink Dragon. The list is a draft and it is requested that the list not be released outside of the caving community. The Forest Service does not want groups of cavers with no caving experience coming in and asking for permits just because they found out from the list that a cave exists. My meeting was cordial and led me to believe that some attitudes in the Forest Service may be changing. She seemed very receptive to joint activites with the SWR that would be mutually beneficial to both sides. Only time will tell, but I recommend we give them the chance to prove that there will be improvements in relations between us. Ken _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2010 12:37:54 -0000 Issue 1006
texascavers Digest 17 Mar 2010 12:37:54 - Issue 1006 Topics (messages 14147 through 14167): karst feature in Yucatan 14147 by: Mixon Bill 14148 by: Mark Minton Re: From the TCMA on the Punkin and Deep Preserve Porch 14149 by: Fritz Holt Re: Videos shot at Honey Creek Cave yesterday 14150 by: ellie :) A different kind of bat? 14151 by: Diana Tomchick 14152 by: Don Arburn 14153 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net car that goes "like a bat" 14154 by: Mixon Bill 14157 by: Mark Minton 14158 by: wa5pok.peoplepc.com 14159 by: Bill Bentley 14160 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net 14161 by: Rod Goke 14162 by: Stefan Creaser 14163 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net TCMA Auction 14155 by: Jim Kennedy Honey Creek Cave explorations 14156 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com Bill Russell Getting out of the hospital on St. Pat's 14164 by: Katherine Arens Report about an accident in Grutas de La Puente, SLP, Mexico 14165 by: Fofo The March 2010 Issue of "The Hole News" 14166 by: Bill Bentley Re: Guads Caves Available for Recreational Caving 14167 by: Mark Alman Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- Forwarded in part by Mixon: JIM CONRADS NATURALIST NEWSLETTER Issued from Hacienda Chichén beside the Maya ruin of Chichén Itzá in the central Yucatán, MÉXICO March 14, 2010 * THE HALTÚN When I first arrived here Don Philomeno, in his 70s and Hacienda Chichen's longest-serving employee, showed me around the grounds. We came into an area where soil was completely missing, exposing nothing but an expanse of white limestone bedrock. The Don knelt beside a water-filled depression in the rock, about the size of a yellow dog, and proudly told me how he vividly remembered the day when it was he who discovered this very depression. In Maya such water-holding holes in limestone bedrock have their own name. Such a hole is a haltún. You can see several typical ones at http://www.backyardnature.net/n/10/100314ha.jpg In Maya culture, the haltún is important for the simple reason that when you're wandering in the forest and find one, you can drink its water. At least older Maya are still acutely aware that humans need unpolluted water, and that if drinkable water disappears, living becomes impossible. For older Maya like Don Philomeno, the haltún demands great respect. Don Philomeno spent several minutes explaining to me the proper way to clean one and protect it, and I felt honored to be initiated in such a way into the mystical realm of the haltún. I'm thinking about haltúnes nowadays because most days I pull up a few buckets of water from the 80-ft-deep well where the Brittle Maidenhairs live, keep each haltún in the area filled, and water various saplings we want to bring through the current dry season. Also I'm thinking about the haltún because if you want to see birds you can't do better than to position yourself nearby, and just watch the stream of species come in from the forest and settle there for a drink. The haltún is a wonderful thing. * Best wishes to all Newsletter Readers. Jim Subscribe AND unsubscribe to this Newsletter at http://www.backyardnature.net/news/natnat.php Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- In non-Maya parts of Mexico such bedrock depressions where water collects are often called tinajas, or for small ones like those in the photo, tinajitas. I wonder if a yellow dog is different in size than any other color dog? ;-) Mark Minton At 10:22 AM 3/15/2010, Mixon Bill wrote: Forwarded in part by Mixon: JIM CONRADS NATURALIST NEWSLETTER Issued from Hacienda Chichén beside the Maya ruin of Chichén Itzá in the central Yucatán, MÉXICO March 14, 2010 * THE HALTÚN When I first arrived here Don Philomeno, in his 70s and Hacienda Chichen's longest-serving employee, showed me around the grounds. We came into an area where soil was completely missing, exposing nothing but an expanse of white limestone bedrock. The Don knelt beside a water-filled depression in the rock, about the size of a yellow dog, and proudly told me how he vividly remembered the day when it was he who discovered this very depression. In Maya such water-holding holes in limestone bedrock have their own name. Such a hole is a haltún. You can see several typical ones at http://www.backyardnature.net/n/10/100314ha.jpg In Maya culture, the haltún is important for the simple reason that w
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Business Meeting Agenda - Saturday, March 27th, 2010.
All, The 2010 TSA Spring Convention is March 26th-28th, 2010, at the Texas Cave Conservancy (TCC) Headquarters, 1800 West Park Street, Cedar Park, TX. Talks and the TSA Business Meeting will be held at the Methodist Church at 600 West Park Street, Cedar Park, TX. Business meeting will be at 4:30 Saturday, or as soon as the last talk of the day has ended. The meeting will/should be short! All registered TSA members are welcome! If you'd like to join the TSA, I can't think of a better time to do so. More info at www.cavetexas.org. Please feel free to comment, make suggestions, additions, subtractions, retractions, or anything else you feel needs to be discussed. Agenda * Welcome and Introductions * Chairman’s Report * Vice Chairman’s Report * Secretary’s Report * Minutes of TSA Winter Business Meeting at CBSP. * Treasurers Report * Standing Committee Reports * TSA Projects – Jim Kennedy * Current Projects * Future Project Ideas * TSA Website – Butch Fralia * Membership Chair – Open * Conservation Committee – Lyndon Tiu * Safety and Techniques – David Ochel * Publications – Mark Alman * The TEXAS CAVER * TSA Store – Lee Jay Graves * Old Business * WNS Update - Jim Kennedy * TSS/TSA/TCMA Trailer Committee report - (The TSS and TSA now have a trailer!) * New Business * New TSA Projects * Anything else? * Announcements * * End of Meeting (Let’s eat!) Thanks and we'll see y'all in Cedar Park! Mark Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
[Texascavers] Don't Mess With Texas
Well, we all know that bumper sticker. Now we know our caver buildings must be strong and stable or we run the risk of Messing with the Texas board of caving. However, worse of all. Don't Mess with the Texas Board of Education. Great press. We never suffer from the lack of entertainment. Preston in western Ky
Re: [Texascavers] Don't Mess With Texas
> > Well, we all know that bumper sticker. Now we know our caver buildings > must be strong and stable or we run the risk of Messing with the Texas > board of caving. > > However, worse of all. > > Don't Mess with the Texas Board of Education. > > Great press. > > We never suffer from the lack of entertainment. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Don't Mess With Texas
That TEA ... well no comment (other than hitting one's head against a brick wall) ... as a Texas educator I will be happy to retire in 16 mo and not have deal with TEA anymore but I will miss the working with the kids (physics teacher) To keep this post cave related I drag in to the classroom my old retired cave rope, repelling rack, 8 rings, old Jumars, bat detector and lessons include: 1) frictional coefficient of the rack on the rope 2) tug-o-war with the 220' rope - demo balanced forces 3) frequency division of ultrasonic sounds (extra credit to go watch a bat flight) 4) show the kiddos some caving slides When I taught IPC in the chemistry section lessons included: 1) chemistry of the carbide lamp (yup, brought it to class) 2) chemistry of cave formation process 3) show the kiddos some cave slides ~F~ > Well, we all know that bumper sticker. Now we know our caver buildings > must be strong and stable or we run the risk of Messing with the Texas > board of caving. > > However, worse of all. > > Don't Mess with the Texas Board of Education. > > Great press. > > We never suffer from the lack of entertainment. > > Preston in western Ky - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Bustamante Shootout
Gun Battle Between Mexican Military and 60 Suspected Zetas BUSTAMANTE, NUEVO LEON - The Mexican Navy is releasing details on a shootout between Marines and 60 heavily armed suspected hit men for the Zetas. The Mexican Navy says Marines raided a ranch in Bustamante, Nuevo Leon late Sunday. That's about 70 miles west of Falcon Lake. The Navy says the shoot out began when a convoy headed to the ranch opened fire on a Mexican helicopter. Two helicopters supported 50 marines as they stormed the compound and killed 8 suspected Zetas. The rest scattered. No arrests have been reported. The Mexican Navy allowed cameras inside the ranch called La Languilla. The compound has four cabins. The main cabin looks like a hunting lodge. There is a trophy room with bucks mounted along he wall. A stuffed bear and puma were also found. Marines also found rooms were they say the Zetas slept and showered. Stock piles of clothes and food were also found. http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Gun-Batt... - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Bustamante gun battle
The full URL for that news report is http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story/Gunbattle-between-Mexican-Military-and-60/lXNkORLlIEmJKIHZENY6Tg.cspx But there is nothing there that wasn't in the text Orion posted. -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] BUstamante
PS: I take that back. There is a link to video: http://www.krgv.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=110...@krgv.dayport.com . -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] More info on the Bustamante Problem
Here is a link to another article on the Bustamante gun fight along with a You Tube video. http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2010/03/mexican-marines-kill-8-zetas-in.html Orion - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] You tube of Ranch in Bustamante
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSivBK5f34s&feature=related anybody know where the entrance is for this ranch
[Texascavers] You Tube video of action at Bustamante
This appears to be a cell phone video from the deck at the cave entrance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlgSxDuB5CY Orion - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Paul Fambro
Paul, Please contact me off list. I cannot seem to get through to your email address. Thanks. Mark Minton Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Paul Fambro
Mark, Paul was having problems with his email a few weeks ago. This is the new one he had me setup: paul.fam...@me.com Hope this helps Charles On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > Paul, > > Please contact me off list. I cannot seem to get through to your > email address. Thanks. > > Mark Minton > > Please reply to mmin...@caver.net > Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
[Texascavers] Bustamante
Another article with some good photos. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?175988-8-gunmen-from-the-Zetas-cartel-dead-after-raid-by-Mexican-special-forces-marines&p=4823033&viewfull=1 Orion - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Texascavers.com issues
Attention all yahoo.com mail users: I've had a report that a yahoo email user cannot send an email to the texascavers (cavetex) mailing list. Has anyone tried posted in the last few weeks and received an email back from with a subject of failure notice? If so, please let me know, forward the email if you still have it. If emails are going through as expected, feel free to let me know that as well. Thanks for your assistance Charles
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thanks again. Matt Turner "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "Empty pockets never held anyone back.Only empty heads and empty hearts can do that."- Norman Vincent Peale From: Charles Goldsmith Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 3:13:42 PM Subject: Texascavers.com issues Attention all yahoo.com mail users: I've had a report that a yahoo email user cannot send an email to the texascavers (cavetex) mailing list. Has anyone tried posted in the last few weeks and received an email back from with a subject of failure notice? If so, please let me know, forward the email if you still have it. If emails are going through as expected, feel free to let me know that as well. Thanks for your assistance Charles
