Re: [Texascavers] interesting website of Sizes, grades, units, scales, calendars, chronologies; all things quantifiable quantified

[Logan McNatt]

The list of shortest caves would be really long.

Gill Edigar wrote:

Well, can't you send them the lists of Deep & Long caves of the World?  How
come nobody keeps a list of the shortest caves?
--Ediger

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

  

Found an interesting website today that some of you might want to look at.
 It does not live up to the "all things quantifiable quantified" claim, e.g.
under Natural World I didn't find Caves.  It does haveBats, but only the
largest and smallest.  Some of the categories include foreign and historic
measures which can come in handy when you find yourself caving in a far away
place, or time.

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Re: [Texascavers] interesting website of Sizes, grades, units, scales, calendars, chronologies; all things quantifiable quantified

[Gill Edigar]

Well, can't you send them the lists of Deep & Long caves of the World?  How
come nobody keeps a list of the shortest caves?
--Ediger

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> Found an interesting website today that some of you might want to look at.
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[Texascavers] interesting website of Sizes, grades, units, scales, calendars, chronologies; all things quantifiable quantified

[Logan McNatt]

Found an interesting website today that some of you might want to look 
at.  It does not live up to the "all things quantifiable quantified" 
claim, e.g. under Natural World I didn't find Caves.  It does haveBats, 
but only the largest and smallest.  Some of the categories include 
foreign and historic measures which can come in handy when you find 
yourself caving in a far away place, or time.


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[Texascavers] Austin's "Night of the Bat"

[Jim Kennedy]

Cavers,

Check out www.nightofthebat.com, and especially take a look at the
poster (accessed by the link at the bottom of the page).  On June 6,
Austin is hosting a celebration of all things batty, including a live
appearance by Adam West and the 1966 Batmobile.  There will also be a
showing of the 1966 Batman film (the one that launched the popular TV
series of my youth) at the Paramount Theater,  And a whole host of
events will occur on the Congress Avenue Bridge, which will be closed
off from 2 to 10.  Naturally, Bat Conservation International will be
there in full force, having 2 informational and sales tables at each end
of the bridge.  But we need help!  If you are available that afternoon
and evening, we want to give you a free T-shirt just to wander around
the crowd, answer simple questions (if you know the answers), and point
people to the BCI tables.  I will be there at one of them, answering
what questions I can.  We would love to have a really visible presence
in the crowd, and hope to get 100-150 volunteers wearing our shirts.  If
you think you might be interested, send me your name, address, telephone
number(s), and email address, and I will pass that information along to
our development folks here who are organizing the volunteer corps.  They
will then get back to you with details.  Even if you can't help, I hope
you can still stop by this free and fun event.

Jim "Crash" Kennedy, BCI

[Texascavers] depth of Midnight Cave in Austin

[Mixon Bill]

Recent mention of laser rangefinders such as Distos reminds me:

The UT Grotto recently had a vertical training night at Midnight Cave.  
I stopped by to see what was going on and mentioned that some time I  
hoped to get there with a tape and see what the depth of the drop  
really is. It is often spoken of as 60 feet or even more. My  
recollection from previous visits was that is was more like 35. Well,  
Jim Kennedy went to get his Disto out of his car and measured it. It  
is 44 to 47 feet, depending on whether you measure from the top of the  
sink or from the ledge where people actually start their rappels. --  
Mixon


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[Allcavers] Fwd: [Texascavers] Government Canyon karst project

[Diana Tomchick]

For those cavers who are looking for a fun Memorial Day caving  
project, I can strongly recommend this one. Marvin is a great guy and  
Government Canyon is a wonderful state park. The regular camping spots  
for this park are probably all reserved for this weekend, but as a  
member of this project you will not have to worry about that, as you  
will have a separate primitive camping spot reserved for the project.  
The caves are not large, but there are many of them and it's a great  
way to learn to survey.


Be sure to take your mountain bike with you if you plan to go, as  
there are extensive (and very nice) bike trails in the park that you  
can use, too.


Diana

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From: "Marvin & Lisa" 
Date: May 22, 2010 11:54:27 PM CDT
To: 
Subject: [Texascavers] Government Canyon karst project

The Government Canyon karst project is happening next weekend – the  
29th and 30th. You can pick your own dig or your own area to  
ridgewalk – and there are caves to explore and survey.


We will meet at 9:00 both mornings in the parking lot of the  
Volunteer/Research Station.


Camping is available. Contact me to set it up.

Directions to the Government Canyon Karst Project:

Find the intersection of U.S. 16 and Loop 1604 in northwest Bexar  
County (clearly shown on any state highway map). Drive 2 miles north  
on U.S. 16 to the third traffic light and turn left onto FM 1560  
(there is a Shell station on the corner). Follow 1560 for 3 miles  
till you see the sign for GCSNA. Follow the arrow to the right and  
drive 2 more miles to the sharp left turn in the road. The gate to  
GCSNA is straight ahead. Enter at the gate and then take the first  
right. There is an unlocked gate that will need to be opened and  
then closed behind you. Continue to the Volunteer/Research Station,  
where we will meet.


Marvin Miller
(210) 415-5190


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Associate Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biochemistry
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214B   
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.   
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)

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texascavers Digest 24 May 2010 15:41:40 -0000 Issue 1056

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texascavers Digest 24 May 2010 15:41:40 - Issue 1056

Topics (messages 14827 through 14833):

Re: Disto recommendation
14827 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com

Re: Krizak Kave
14828 by: Ron Ralph

Re: Road log needed - High Guads - Three Mile Hill - Texas Camp
14829 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com

Re: Brown Bag Presentation on Friday, May 28 at noon - Caves and karst of 
Mexico by Monica Ponce
14830 by: Geary Schindel
14831 by: Geary Schindel

Re: Brown Bag for Tuesday, June 1 at 11:55 AM - Coal-mine drainage as a driver 
for carbonate dissolution; deciphering the balance between acidity, alkalinity, 
CO2 and karst processes.
14832 by: Geary Schindel

Brown Bag for Tuesday, June 3 at high noon (12:00 PM) - Development and 
Degradation of Water Quality in the Edwards Aquifer - The Technical Basis for 
Impervious Cover Limits
14833 by: Geary Schindel

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Here's one that looks pretty good. They indicate that it's rugged and water 
resistant. Good up to 230 feet.

Anyone used one?

http://distagage.com/distod210xt.html

Bill 
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Last chance to go caving tomorrow. William and I will be there at 9:30 and
you can come anytime as we hope to dig for several hours. Give me a call if
you get lost.

 

Ron 

797-3817 Cell

 

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From: Ron Ralph [mailto:ronra...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:49 AM
To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com'
Subject: Krizak Kave

 

Central Texas Cavers,

 

Bill Russell has mostly recovered from his stroke and is ready to go caving.
Please join him at Ruby Ridge, Hays County, Monday morning, May 24, between
9 and 10am to celebrate. We will be cleaning out a vertical shaft that has
been filled with small rock, then open up big passage (hopefully). Bring
appropriate tools, clothing and gloves. I will bring a ladder, shovel and a
wheelbarrow.

 

Please let me know off-line if you can attend, then just show at the cave.
The address is 1397 Ruby Ranch Road, Buda. Park on the road or the pipeline
ROW.

 

Ron Ralph, Coordinator

280-9648 or 797-3817

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Did you get a response, Joe?

 

 

We're going in October and I could use one, as well.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

From: jran...@gmail.com [mailto:jran...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Ranzau
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:26 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Road log needed - High Guads - Three Mile Hill -
Texas Camp

 

Hey - 

A bunch of us are headed to the High Guads over memorial day (with
permits).  It has been 5 or 6 years since I've done the drive so I would
love a good road log if anyone has one to share.

Many thanks!

Joe

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Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Friday, May 28, 2010 at Noon
Conference Room
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


We are pleased to announce that Ms. Monica Ponce, founder of the Asociacion 
Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. in Mexico, will be showing a short DVD she 
produced on the decent of Sotano de las Golondrinas, one of the deepest 
free-fall drops and open air vertical pits in the world and followed by a 
PowerPoint presentation on caves and karst in Mexico and the Congress 
EspeleoCoahuila.

Monica will also have copies of the DVD available for a donation to help her 
support her cancer treatments in the US.  Monica is a remarkable person and one 
of the great cavers in Mexico.

The presentation will be held on Friday, May 24, 2010 at noon (12:00 PM), at 
the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  This is an informal presentations so please 
feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions or further information, the 
Authority may be contacted at 210-222-2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org

Thank you.

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer


Ms. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez was president for 6 years, and founder of the 
Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, Civil Association in Coahuila, Mexico.  
She was also the founder and chief organizer of EspeleoCoahuila in 2004-2008 
which has become one of the premier speleology events in Mexico with 
presentations on cave science, conservation, and exploration.  Monica has 
explored some of the deepest caves in Mexico and has also participated in a 
number of projects including exploration and mapping of Texas caves.

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Folks,

Please note that the correct date for this presentation in Friday, May 28.

Sorry for any confusion.

Geary


Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation on Friday, May 28 at noon - 
Caves and karst of Mexico by Monica Ponce



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Soc

[Texascavers] Brown Bag for Tuesday, June 3 at high noon (12:00 PM) - Development and Degradation of Water Quality in the Edwards Aquifer - The Technical Basis for Impervious Cover Limits

[Geary Schindel]

Thought some of you might be interested in this talk also.

Geary


Subject: Brown Bag for Tuesday, June 3 at high noon (12:00 PM) - Development 
and Degradation of Water Quality in the Edwards Aquifer - The Technical Basis 
for Impervious Cover Limits




The Third of Three upcoming Brown Bag Talks



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Thursday, June 3, 2010 at high noon (12:00 PM)
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Conference Room
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


We are pleased to announce that Mr. George Rice, P.G., will be making a 
presentation titled: Development and Degradation of Water Quality in the 
Edwards Aquifer - The Technical Basis for Impervious Cover Limits

The presentation will be held on Thursday, June 3th, 2010 at high noon (12:00 
PM) in the conference room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  These are 
informal presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions 
or further information, the Authority may be contacted at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org

If you are traveling a long distance to the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist that morning to make sure that the talk is still 
scheduled at the number below.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel 
or move the talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Thank you.

Geary Schindel
Chief Technical Officer
Edwards Aquifer Authority
210.222.2204


Development and Degradation of Water Quality in the Edwards Aquifer - The 
Technical Basis for Impervious Cover Limits


Biography

George Rice is a groundwater hydrologist with more than 30 years of experience 
working with groundwater contamination problems. He has an MS in Hydrology from 
the University of Arizona and has been working as an independent consultant 
since 1993.

[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag for Tuesday, June 1 at 11:55 AM - Coal-mine drainage as a driver for carbonate dissolution; deciphering the balance between acidity, alkalinity, CO2 and karst processes.

[Geary Schindel]

Since this is karst related, I thought that I would send it out to the email 
list.



The second of three Brown Bag Presentations in the next two weeks





Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Tuesday, June 1st at 11:55: AM

NOTE: this is a different location than our regular Brown Bag Presentations

Helotes Room
Edwards Aquifer Authority Annex
San Antonio River Authority Building
600 East Euclid Street, San Antonio, TX


We are pleased to announce that Dr. Dorothy Vesper, West Virginia University  
will be making a presentation entitled Coal-mine drainage as a driver for 
carbonate dissolution; deciphering the balance between acidity, alkalinity, CO2 
and karst processes.

The presentation will be held on Tuesday, June 1st at the Edwards Aquifer 
Authority Annex located in the San Antonio River Authority Building at 600 East 
Euclid Street, San Antonio.  These are informal presentations so please feel 
free to bring your lunch.  For directions or further information, the Authority 
may be contacted at 210-222-2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org

Thank you.

Geary Schindel
Chief Technical Officer
Edwards Aquifer Authority


Coal-mine drainage as a driver for carbonate dissolution; deciphering the 
balance between acidity, alkalinity, CO2 and karst processes

Acid mine drainage - formed when pyrite oxidation releases sulfuric acid and 
iron - is a common sight in the coal-mined regions of Appalachia.  However, 
when carbonate layers are present in the coal sequence, the mine drainage may 
be alkaline rather than acidic.  In flooded mine systems, elevated CO2 
pressures can occur as the sulfuric acid from pyrite oxidation drives carbonate 
dissolution while metal precipitation consumes the generated alkalinity.  These 
settings provide an interesting, anthropogenically-caused analog to karst 
systems where sulfuric acid drives cave formation.




Biography:   Dorothy Vesper
Assistant Professor of Geology, West Virginia University

Dorothy Vesper applies her interest in inorganic geochemistry to both beautiful 
karst springs and not-so-beautiful contaminated sites. She has a BS degree in 
geology from Juniata College, and MS and PhD degrees from The Pennsylvania 
State University.  For the 10 years between the two graduate degrees, Dorothy 
worked for consulting firms in the Boston area. A karst project in 
Kentucky-Tennessee convinced her to come back to school for the third and final 
round. Her current karst projects focus on conceptual models, protection and 
sustainability of water resources in the structurally-complex Ridge and Valley 
Province. In her spare time she studies metal geochemistry at mining-related 
sites.

[Texascavers] Brown Bag Presentation on Friday, May 28 at noon - Caves and karst of Mexico by Monica Ponce

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

Please note that the correct date for this presentation in Friday, May 28.

Sorry for any confusion.

Geary


Subject: [Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation on Friday, May 28 at noon - 
Caves and karst of Mexico by Monica Ponce



Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Friday, May 28, 2010 at Noon
Conference Room
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


We are pleased to announce that Ms. Monica Ponce, founder of the Asociacion 
Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. in Mexico, will be showing a short DVD she 
produced on the decent of Sotano de las Golondrinas, one of the deepest 
free-fall drops and open air vertical pits in the world and followed by a 
PowerPoint presentation on caves and karst in Mexico and the Congress 
EspeleoCoahuila.

Monica will also have copies of the DVD available for a donation to help her 
support her cancer treatments in the US.  Monica is a remarkable person and one 
of the great cavers in Mexico.

The presentation will be held on Friday, May 28, 2010 at noon (12:00 PM), at 
the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  This is an informal presentations so please 
feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions or further information, the 
Authority may be contacted at 210-222-2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org

Thank you.

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer


Ms. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez was president for 6 years, and founder of the 
Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, Civil Association in Coahuila, Mexico.  
She was also the founder and chief organizer of EspeleoCoahuila in 2004-2008 
which has become one of the premier speleology events in Mexico with 
presentations on cave science, conservation, and exploration.  Monica has 
explored some of the deepest caves in Mexico and has also participated in a 
number of projects including exploration and mapping of Texas caves.

[Texascavers] FW: Brown Bag Presentation on Friday, May 28 at noon - Caves and karst of Mexico by Monica Ponce

[Geary Schindel]

Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Friday, May 28, 2010 at Noon
Conference Room
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


We are pleased to announce that Ms. Monica Ponce, founder of the Asociacion 
Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C. in Mexico, will be showing a short DVD she 
produced on the decent of Sotano de las Golondrinas, one of the deepest 
free-fall drops and open air vertical pits in the world and followed by a 
PowerPoint presentation on caves and karst in Mexico and the Congress 
EspeleoCoahuila.

Monica will also have copies of the DVD available for a donation to help her 
support her cancer treatments in the US.  Monica is a remarkable person and one 
of the great cavers in Mexico.

The presentation will be held on Friday, May 24, 2010 at noon (12:00 PM), at 
the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  This is an informal presentations so please 
feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions or further information, the 
Authority may be contacted at 210-222-2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org

Thank you.

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer


Ms. Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez was president for 6 years, and founder of the 
Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, Civil Association in Coahuila, Mexico.  
She was also the founder and chief organizer of EspeleoCoahuila in 2004-2008 
which has become one of the premier speleology events in Mexico with 
presentations on cave science, conservation, and exploration.  Monica has 
explored some of the deepest caves in Mexico and has also participated in a 
number of projects including exploration and mapping of Texas caves.

RE: [Texascavers] Road log needed - High Guads - Three Mile Hill - Texas Camp

[Mark . Alman]

 

Did you get a response, Joe?

 

 

We're going in October and I could use one, as well.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

From: jran...@gmail.com [mailto:jran...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Ranzau
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:26 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Road log needed - High Guads - Three Mile Hill -
Texas Camp

 

Hey - 

A bunch of us are headed to the High Guads over memorial day (with
permits).  It has been 5 or 6 years since I've done the drive so I would
love a good road log if anyone has one to share.

Many thanks!

Joe