[Texascavers] Region 3 USFS cave closures are official :
For those that don't keep up with the Rockies caving scene, the USFS has officially closed their Region 3 caves for a 12 month period in response to the WNS situation. The states affected by the closure are Colorado, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska and Kansas. For more information, see: _http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml_ (http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml) Note that the FAQ on the above site contains the most relevant information to cavers. The details of what constitutes permissible research and other closure exemptions have not been worked out. To read the official closure order: _http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/news/2010/july/nr-wnsclosureorder-final7-27-10.pdf_ (http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/news/2010/july/nr-wnsclosureorder-final7-27-10.pdf) Jerry.
Re: [Texascavers] Region 3 USFS cave closures are official :
That's Region 2. R3 is AZ and NM.
Re: [Texascavers] Region 3 USFS cave closures are official :
Me falta la culpa ! Sr. Kennedy is correcto. Geraldo. In a message dated 7/27/2010 11:18:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, jkenn...@batcon.org writes: That's Region 2. R3 is AZ and NM.
[Texascavers] Thank you very much!
Hey Friends Gracias!! for all. Thank you for coming to my both party. I will leave Texas the next Thursday. I will miss you. But I want to see you in EspeleoCoahuila2011 in July 1-4 in Parras. See you soon Love moni -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
[NMCAVER] Alabama Outreach-Education
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[Texascavers] No Swim Sundays
For those of you who swam Sundays at Pete's, you will probably miss them. For those of you who didn't swim, you have missed a good thing. Now that they have ended, why not join us in the next best thing to do: the Sunday Kiwi Sink digs. We are almost half way to China, help us break on through! This next Sunday, late morn till we tire out. Located across Billie Brooks Ln. in Rolling Oaks near Driftwood. Call me for info at 512-847-0183. --Ernie G. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT: Take a moment and help out a Texas caver...
Roy Wessel is in a contest for $40,000 and needs your vote. He is a San Antonio caver who has been a long term member of the Bexar Grotto. Briefly, he has been taking care of his girlfriend who has ALS, is on a ventilator, has a trach, and is on a feeding tube. This is a full time job with no breaks, and he has not been able to work. Winning this contest would be a blessing. Help him if you can. Today is the last day to vote. Find Roy's story which is titled A Caring Spirit Like No Other and rate his story to vote. http://www.americadeservesaraise.com/read-and-vote/keyword/roy+w The website and all the stories can be found at the site below: http://www.americadeservesaraise.com/read-and-vote Thanks, Allan - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] OT: Take a moment and help out a Texas caver...
Allan, I can tell you for sure, he needs all the help he can get. My mother (aka, Ma Power) died from ALS in 1989. By that time I was living in Portland, OR, and couldn't help my sister with the day-to-day stuff. Fortunately, before she got where she couldn't travel, she was able to come see me in Nevada before I moved. Please let Roy and his friend know that there are those of us who know what a stressful time they're having and will be thinking of them. Meanwhile, I'll go online and vote. Louise Power From: a...@oztotl.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Texascavers] OT: Take a moment and help out a Texas caver... Roy Wessel is in a contest for $40,000 and needs your vote. He is a San Antonio caver who has been a long term member of the Bexar Grotto. Briefly, he has been taking care of his girlfriend who has ALS, is on a ventilator, has a trach, and is on a feeding tube. This is a full time job with no breaks, and he has not been able to work. Winning this contest would be a blessing. Help him if you can. Today is the last day to vote. Find Roy's story which is titled A Caring Spirit Like No Other and rate his story to vote. http://www.americadeservesaraise.com/read-and-vote/keyword/roy+w The website and all the stories can be found at the site below: http://www.americadeservesaraise.com/read-and-vote Thanks, Allan - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Off Topic-The Story of the Weeping Camel
Geography lesson time. Mongolia which is the setting for the movie, is an independent country on the northern border of china and the southern border of Russia. It has had a long and interesting history which can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mongolia In more recent times from 1924 to about 1992 it was more or less part of the Soviet Union and much of its infrastructure was built during that time. With the breakup of the USSR, Mongolia developed a constitution in 1992 and is now a democratic country. The majority of the population is Buddhist although in far western Mongolia where the primary ethnic population is Kazakh, they are Muslim. The movie is in no way political. That is just the way life is in a nomadic culture. We did a trek in the Alti Mountains of Western Mongolia and also spent time in the Gobi Desert and had a chance to meet some of the nomadic families. They are a proud culture who resist the lure of moving to the big cities such as Ulaanbaatar, the capitol. Also they are no longer isolated from the outside world. Probably half the gers (yurts) we saw in the remotest regions, had a solar panel, car battery, satellite dish and BW TV. Orion Yeah but check out The Story of the Weeping Camel. Same director and no English. How'd they get the camel to cry on cue? I dunno about you but both films made the life of nomads look awfully tough and barren to me. Sinister and evil? I felt sorry for those folks living without infrastructure and/or on the outskirts of decrepit concrete housing centers. Ddin't make me like the Chinese govmnt one bit. Maybe I enjoy a level of comfort and connectedness beyond that of the target audience? Andy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Off Topic-The Story of the Weeping Camel
Orion, I obviously missed something but when did you do your trek in Western Mongolia? Thanks for this interesting post. Fritz Holt -Original Message- From: Orion Knox [mailto:orion-k...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:11 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] Off Topic-The Story of the Weeping Camel Geography lesson time. Mongolia which is the setting for the movie, is an independent country on the northern border of china and the southern border of Russia. It has had a long and interesting history which can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mongolia In more recent times from 1924 to about 1992 it was more or less part of the Soviet Union and much of its infrastructure was built during that time. With the breakup of the USSR, Mongolia developed a constitution in 1992 and is now a democratic country. The majority of the population is Buddhist although in far western Mongolia where the primary ethnic population is Kazakh, they are Muslim. The movie is in no way political. That is just the way life is in a nomadic culture. We did a trek in the Alti Mountains of Western Mongolia and also spent time in the Gobi Desert and had a chance to meet some of the nomadic families. They are a proud culture who resist the lure of moving to the big cities such as Ulaanbaatar, the capitol. Also they are no longer isolated from the outside world. Probably half the gers (yurts) we saw in the remotest regions, had a solar panel, car battery, satellite dish and BW TV. Orion Yeah but check out The Story of the Weeping Camel. Same director and no English. How'd they get the camel to cry on cue? I dunno about you but both films made the life of nomads look awfully tough and barren to me. Sinister and evil? I felt sorry for those folks living without infrastructure and/or on the outskirts of decrepit concrete housing centers. Ddin't make me like the Chinese govmnt one bit. Maybe I enjoy a level of comfort and connectedness beyond that of the target audience? Andy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] NSS Convention - rides NE
My plan to drive to Vermont appears to have imploded, although it is still on the table. I found 2 rides on Craiglist that can get me as close as Schenectady, New York by Sunday, but the route is via Cleveland, which is not the best route from Houston. There is a caver in Indiana, ( Kento ? ) wanting to drive up to Vermont with somebody, and another in Nashville, TN ( Bruce Robtoy, limestoneplow...@yahoo.com ) and another in St. Louis, MO ( 636-667-4164 or eugenev...@socket.net ). I think there is still an inexpensive flight out of Austin via Southwest Airlines to Manchester, NH if you are willing to flight out the Tuesday of the convention and come back on the following Tuesday.But all the flights out of Houston, are too high now. David Locklear 281-960-0687 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Mars related
I am not sure if this is new news. I don't know if it anything useful to look for caves on Mars: http://www.worldwidetelescope.org/whatIs/whatisWWT.aspx?Page=Mars - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
All, Region 2 of the USFS has announced their cave closure. Details are at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml The actual closure order is at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/pdf/r2-wns-closure-order- final.pdf It would appear to me that the gist of this closure order is that cavers entering caves in District 2 are REQUIRED to go through specific decon procedures. It doesn't say that all entry is prohibited. I'm guessing that Region 3, (NM, AZ) will be right behind on this. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
bummer. Does anyone have a report from the Carlsbad meeting last night? I plan to go to the ABQ one tomorrow. To: nmca...@caver.net From: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:18:36 -0600 Subject: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure All, Region 2 of the USFS has announced their cave closure. Details are at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml The actual closure order is at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/pdf/r2-wns-closure-order- final.pdf It would appear to me that the gist of this closure order is that cavers entering caves in District 2 are REQUIRED to go through specific decon procedures. It doesn't say that all entry is prohibited. I'm guessing that Region 3, (NM, AZ) will be right behind on this. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
On 2010/07/27 13:18, Steve Peerman wrote: All, Region 2 of the USFS has announced their cave closure. Details are at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml The actual closure order is at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/pdf/r2-wns-closure-order-final.pdf It would appear to me that the gist of this closure order is that cavers entering caves in District 2 are REQUIRED to go through specific decon procedures. It doesn't say that all entry is prohibited. I'm guessing that Region 3, (NM, AZ) will be right behind on this. Operation Alternative Hobbies is nearing kickoff time. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
The Carlsbad meeting was well-attended and well-organized, as I am sure the Las Cruces and Albuquerque ones will be. These are information gathering sessions, not decision making ones. Reports of the ideas and general consensus from all 3 meetings will be sent to all attendees. It was emphasized that NO decisions have yet been made in New Mexico regarding how they will proceed. All the Federal Agencies are trying to work together with the caving community. On Jul 27, 2010, at 1:49 PM, jen . wrote: bummer. Does anyone have a report from the Carlsbad meeting last night? I plan to go to the ABQ one tomorrow. To: nmca...@caver.net From: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:18:36 -0600 Subject: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure All, Region 2 of the USFS has announced their cave closure. Details are at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml The actual closure order is at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/pdf/r2-wns-closure-order- final.pdf It would appear to me that the gist of this closure order is that cavers entering caves in District 2 are REQUIRED to go through specific decon procedures. It doesn't say that all entry is prohibited. I'm guessing that Region 3, (NM, AZ) will be right behind on this. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy? ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
... ain't gonna happen for this kid any time soon. :) From: Stephen Fleming casto...@gmail.com Operation Alternative Hobbies is nearing kickoff time. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
All, If Region 3 approaches cavers about closing NM and AZ caves, I would demand that the first thing Region 3 considers is enforcement of the closures for: Sandia Cave, NM. Lava River Cave, AZ Peppersauce Cave, AZ Each of these three wild caves receive thousands (in a couple cases tens of thousands) of visitors each year. This means there will be a financial commitment needed by the USFS ... as I suspect that placing cave closed signage at the Peppersauce parking lot may not have the desired effect. Ray - Original Message - From: Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net To: nmcaver nmca...@caver.net Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure All, Region 2 of the USFS has announced their cave closure. Details are at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml The actual closure order is at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/pdf/r2-wns-closure-order- final.pdf It would appear to me that the gist of this closure order is that cavers entering caves in District 2 are REQUIRED to go through specific decon procedures. It doesn't say that all entry is prohibited. I'm guessing that Region 3, (NM, AZ) will be right behind on this. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
Yes - I had not read that document until you mentioned it. I recommend everyone read it. It does contain this statement: The Forest Service will authorize some access for administrative purposes (e.g., implementing the Abandoned Mine Lands program), research, disease surveillance, and inventory and monitoring. Specifically identified “show caves” may remain open for educational purposes. All entries will follow the recommended decontamination protocols. It does not clarify just what constitutes research. If the BLM does something similar to this, will the activities of the FSCSP come under the heading of research? On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:38 PM, John J Corcoran III wrote: I just finished reading almost all the material on the FS site and found the FAQ document to be the most informative. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
It would be nice if they moved that bat in Oklahoma to the Europe detected but not killing category. I would guess that the decision on issuing permits is left to each local agency that currently issues permits and not made too specific in this document on purpose since not all places are the same. Fort Stanton may be a sticky issue since it IS a significant hibernaculum and a sometimes paid tour show cave. Jen. From: gypca...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:35:28 -0600 To: john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com CC: nmca...@caver.net Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure Yes - I had not read that document until you mentioned it. I recommend everyone read it. It does contain this statement: The Forest Service will authorize some access for administrative purposes (e.g., implementing the Abandoned Mine Lands program), research, disease surveillance, and inventory and monitoring. Specifically identified “show caves” may remain open for educational purposes. All entries will follow the recommended decontamination protocols. It does not clarify just what constitutes research. If the BLM does something similar to this, will the activities of the FSCSP come under the heading of research? On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:38 PM, John J Corcoran III wrote: I just finished reading almost all the material on the FS site and found the FAQ document to be the most informative. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
Does anybody have the time and location of the Albuquerque meeting? I'd like to attend. Thanks. Dave Decker From: rckee...@cox.net To: nmca...@caver.net Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:15:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure All, If Region 3 approaches cavers about closing NM and AZ caves, I would demand that the first thing Region 3 considers is enforcement of the closures for: Sandia Cave, NM. Lava River Cave, AZ Peppersauce Cave, AZ Each of these three wild caves receive thousands (in a couple cases tens of thousands) of visitors each year. This means there will be a financial commitment needed by the USFS ... as I suspect that placing cave closed signage at the Peppersauce parking lot may not have the desired effect. Ray - Original Message - From: Steve Peerman gypca...@comcast.net To: nmcaver nmca...@caver.net Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:18 PM Subject: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure All, Region 2 of the USFS has announced their cave closure. Details are at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/index.shtml The actual closure order is at: http://www.fs.fed.us/r2/wns/pdf/r2-wns-closure-order- final.pdf It would appear to me that the gist of this closure order is that cavers entering caves in District 2 are REQUIRED to go through specific decon procedures. It doesn't say that all entry is prohibited. I'm guessing that Region 3, (NM, AZ) will be right behind on this. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Region 2 Cave Closure
The Las Cruces meeting was much the same as Carol described. It is interesting to me that I don't recall any other issue that has brought the agencies together the way the WNS issue has.Whatever is done in New Mexico regarding cave management in light of possible WNS, they want to have a coordinated plan - and they want the cavers as partners in this plan. I don't know whether that plan will take the form of complete closure, as it did in Region 2, but at least they're listening to us - and they seemed open to all the ideas that were brought up here in LC. I would encourage those that go to the ABQ meeting to bring all your ideas regarding how to meet the challenge of WNS, and keep an open mind. On Jul 27, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Carol Belski wrote: The Carlsbad meeting was well-attended and well-organized, as I am sure the Las Cruces and Albuquerque ones will be. These are information gathering sessions, not decision making ones. Reports of the ideas and general consensus from all 3 meetings will be sent to all attendees. It was emphasized that NO decisions have yet been made in New Mexico regarding how they will proceed. All the Federal Agencies are trying to work together with the caving community. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] On the lighter side-a Klingon Cave talk......
Australian caves offer new tour — in Klingon Jenolan Caves first immortalized in the Next Generation episode 'Relics' photos  AFP - Getty Images Awesome Australia by Belinda Goldsmith  updated 7/27/2010 10:22:32 AM ET Share Print Font: + - SYDNEY — Staff at the Jenolan Caves west of Sydney have added a new out-of-this-world attraction — a tour in the Star Trek language Klingon. Currently a self-guided audio tour at the caves in the Blue Mountains is offered in eight languages, but staff came up with the idea of adding the fictional language Klingon as the caves did once feature in the popular TV series. In the Star Trek universe, Jenolan Caves was first immortalized in the Next Generation episode 'Relics,' through the naming of a 'Sydney Class' Starship — the USS Jenolan, the Jenolan Caves Reserve Trust said in a statement. Now, this relationship will be developed further, when Jenolan Caves adds the language of Star Trek's great warrior race to a tour of their most popular cave. The Jenolan cave system, located about 109 miles west of Sydney, is enormous with over 40 25 miles of passages and incorporating caves, underground rivers and natural archways. The Klingon tour has been set up for the Nettle Cave, which attracts up to 200,000 visitors a year, and will start on August 22. Jenolan Caves guide Gordon Mills said Klingon language experts Michael Roney Jr and Tracy Canfield earlier this month flew in from the United States to record the audio tour. We wanted to do something a bit obscure and we will now be the first tourist attraction on this planet at least to have a Klingon tour, Mills, a self-described Star Trek enthusiast, told Reuters. There is a fantasy side to caves and a timeless nature, rather like Star Trek, so we thought this was fitting. Copyright 2010 Reuters. Click for restrictions. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] On the lighter side-a Klingon Cave talk......
So much for the Star Trek adventure in Vegas... - Original Message - From: Carl Pagano [pagan...@comcast.net] Sent: 07/27/2010 08:18 PM CST To: nmcaver list nmca...@caver.net Subject: [NMCAVER] On the lighter side-a Klingon Cave talk.. Australian caves offer new tour — in Klingon Jenolan Caves first immortalized in the Next Generation episode 'Relics' photos  AFP - Getty Images Awesome Australia by Belinda Goldsmith  updated 7/27/2010 10:22:32 AM ET Share Print Font: + - SYDNEY — Staff at the Jenolan Caves west of Sydney have added a new out-of-this-world attraction — a tour in the Star Trek language Klingon. Currently a self-guided audio tour at the caves in the Blue Mountains is offered in eight languages, but staff came up with the idea of adding the fictional language Klingon as the caves did once feature in the popular TV series. In the Star Trek universe, Jenolan Caves was first immortalized in the Next Generation episode 'Relics,' through the naming of a 'Sydney Class' Starship — the USS Jenolan, the Jenolan Caves Reserve Trust said in a statement. Now, this relationship will be developed further, when Jenolan Caves adds the language of Star Trek's great warrior race to a tour of their most popular cave. The Jenolan cave system, located about 109 miles west of Sydney, is enormous with over 40 25 miles of passages and incorporating caves, underground rivers and natural archways. The Klingon tour has been set up for the Nettle Cave, which attracts up to 200,000 visitors a year, and will start on August 22. Jenolan Caves guide Gordon Mills said Klingon language experts Michael Roney Jr and Tracy Canfield earlier this month flew in from the United States to record the audio tour. We wanted to do something a bit obscure and we will now be the first tourist attraction on this planet at least to have a Klingon tour, Mills, a self-described Star Trek enthusiast, told Reuters. There is a fantasy side to caves and a timeless nature, rather like Star Trek, so we thought this was fitting. Copyright 2010 Reuters. Click for restrictions. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] NSS Convention - personal
It looks like I may be going to the convention, after all. A Craigslist driver with a Geo Metro travelling from LA to NYC via Houston, claims he has room for me? I don't think I can even fit in a Geo Metro, much less bring any gear. He just left Los Angeles, and claims he is picking up a 2nd rider in Phoenix. So by Thursday night, I hope to be on the road. I was really looking forward to driving up there with the Craigslist girl with the pet rat, but I just couldn't get anybody else to join the road-trip, once they found out a rat was coming for the ride. I haven't put any thought into how I am getting home. Should I ? David Locklear 281-960-0687 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] Fwd: [Texascavers] OT: Take a moment and help out a Texas caver...
Repost. Take a minute and vote. Original Message Subject:[Texascavers] OT: Take a moment and help out a Texas caver... List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:17:28 -0500 From: Allan Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: A Texas Caving Remailer for Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Roy Wessel is in a contest for $40,000 and needs your vote. He is a San Antonio caver who has been a long term member of the Bexar Grotto. Briefly, he has been taking care of his girlfriend who has ALS, is on a ventilator, has a trach, and is on a feeding tube. This is a full time job with no breaks, and he has not been able to work. Winning this contest would be a blessing. Help him if you can. Today is the last day to vote. ind Roy's story which is titled A Caring Spirit Like No Other and rate his story to vote. http://www.americadeservesaraise.com/read-and-vote/keyword/roy+w The website and all the stories can be found at the site below: http://www.americadeservesaraise.com/read-and-vote Thanks, Allan ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
