[SWR] Underground GPS finally possible

2011-05-17 Thread Lee H. Skinner

I first saw this on the texascavers list:

http://tinyurl.com/6xpayuu

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[SWR] Underground GPS finally possible

2011-05-17 Thread Lee H. Skinner

I first saw this on the texascavers list:

http://tinyurl.com/6xpayuu

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[SWR] Underground GPS finally possible

2011-05-17 Thread Lee H. Skinner

I first saw this on the texascavers list:

http://tinyurl.com/6xpayuu

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Re: [SWR] New Guadalupe District Ranger

2011-05-17 Thread Peter Jones
Ken:  Thanks for the information about the new LNF District Ranger.  You got it 
right that we need to educate him to the value of the caves in the Guads,  
Perhaps we should take him to Manhole to expedite the removal of stubborn rock 
face considering his past technical expertise in the USAF

See you all in Glenwood in a couple of months.

Peter





On May 17, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Ken Harrington wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> The new District Ranger for the Guadalupe District of the Lincoln National 
> Forest is a gentleman named Jim Gumm.  He is due to start his new job on the 
> 20th of June.  Mr. Gumm has a MA in Organizational Communications and a BA in 
> Industrial Technology.   His last assignment was a the Public Affairs Officer 
> at Modoc National Forest.  He has been with the FS since 2008.  Prior to that 
> he was Deputy Director of Operations, Louisiana, FEMA.  He also spent 14 
> years in the USAF as an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Technician/Manager.  
> 
> He and his wife have family in Albuquerque and have been frequest visitors to 
> the state.
>  
> Personal note:  It is my understanding that Mr. Gumm has had very little (if 
> any) exposure to caves or cavers.  It will our job to insure he understands 
> the importance of the caves and the preservation of the caves in the LNF.
>  
> I will attempt to get an appointment to visit with him soon after his arrival 
> to voice our concerns over the caves and the management of those caves.
>  
> Ken   
> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
> rain. 
> 
> 
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Re: [SWR] New Guadalupe District Ranger

2011-05-17 Thread Peter Jones
Ken:  Thanks for the information about the new LNF District Ranger.  You got it 
right that we need to educate him to the value of the caves in the Guads,  
Perhaps we should take him to Manhole to expedite the removal of stubborn rock 
face considering his past technical expertise in the USAF

See you all in Glenwood in a couple of months.

Peter





On May 17, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Ken Harrington wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> The new District Ranger for the Guadalupe District of the Lincoln National 
> Forest is a gentleman named Jim Gumm.  He is due to start his new job on the 
> 20th of June.  Mr. Gumm has a MA in Organizational Communications and a BA in 
> Industrial Technology.   His last assignment was a the Public Affairs Officer 
> at Modoc National Forest.  He has been with the FS since 2008.  Prior to that 
> he was Deputy Director of Operations, Louisiana, FEMA.  He also spent 14 
> years in the USAF as an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Technician/Manager.  
> 
> He and his wife have family in Albuquerque and have been frequest visitors to 
> the state.
>  
> Personal note:  It is my understanding that Mr. Gumm has had very little (if 
> any) exposure to caves or cavers.  It will our job to insure he understands 
> the importance of the caves and the preservation of the caves in the LNF.
>  
> I will attempt to get an appointment to visit with him soon after his arrival 
> to voice our concerns over the caves and the management of those caves.
>  
> Ken   
> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
> rain. 
> 
> 
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Re: [SWR] New Guadalupe District Ranger

2011-05-17 Thread Peter Jones
Ken:  Thanks for the information about the new LNF District Ranger.  You got it 
right that we need to educate him to the value of the caves in the Guads,  
Perhaps we should take him to Manhole to expedite the removal of stubborn rock 
face considering his past technical expertise in the USAF

See you all in Glenwood in a couple of months.

Peter





On May 17, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Ken Harrington wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> The new District Ranger for the Guadalupe District of the Lincoln National 
> Forest is a gentleman named Jim Gumm.  He is due to start his new job on the 
> 20th of June.  Mr. Gumm has a MA in Organizational Communications and a BA in 
> Industrial Technology.   His last assignment was a the Public Affairs Officer 
> at Modoc National Forest.  He has been with the FS since 2008.  Prior to that 
> he was Deputy Director of Operations, Louisiana, FEMA.  He also spent 14 
> years in the USAF as an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Technician/Manager.  
> 
> He and his wife have family in Albuquerque and have been frequest visitors to 
> the state.
>  
> Personal note:  It is my understanding that Mr. Gumm has had very little (if 
> any) exposure to caves or cavers.  It will our job to insure he understands 
> the importance of the caves and the preservation of the caves in the LNF.
>  
> I will attempt to get an appointment to visit with him soon after his arrival 
> to voice our concerns over the caves and the management of those caves.
>  
> Ken   
> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
> rain. 
> 
> 
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[SWR] New Guadalupe District Ranger

2011-05-17 Thread Ken Harrington

Hi all,
 
The new District Ranger for the Guadalupe District of the Lincoln National 
Forest is a gentleman named Jim Gumm.  He is due to start his new job on the 
20th of June.  Mr. Gumm has a MA in Organizational Communications and a BA in 
Industrial Technology.   His last assignment was a the Public Affairs Officer 
at Modoc National Forest.  He has been with the FS since 2008.  Prior to that 
he was Deputy Director of Operations, Louisiana, FEMA.  He also spent 14 years 
in the USAF as an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Technician/Manager.  

He and his wife have family in Albuquerque and have been frequest visitors to 
the state.
 
Personal note:  It is my understanding that Mr. Gumm has had very little (if 
any) exposure to caves or cavers.  It will our job to insure he understands the 
importance of the caves and the preservation of the caves in the LNF.
 
I will attempt to get an appointment to visit with him soon after his arrival 
to voice our concerns over the caves and the management of those caves.
 
Ken   
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
rain. 

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[SWR] New Guadalupe District Ranger

2011-05-17 Thread Ken Harrington

Hi all,
 
The new District Ranger for the Guadalupe District of the Lincoln National 
Forest is a gentleman named Jim Gumm.  He is due to start his new job on the 
20th of June.  Mr. Gumm has a MA in Organizational Communications and a BA in 
Industrial Technology.   His last assignment was a the Public Affairs Officer 
at Modoc National Forest.  He has been with the FS since 2008.  Prior to that 
he was Deputy Director of Operations, Louisiana, FEMA.  He also spent 14 years 
in the USAF as an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Technician/Manager.  

He and his wife have family in Albuquerque and have been frequest visitors to 
the state.
 
Personal note:  It is my understanding that Mr. Gumm has had very little (if 
any) exposure to caves or cavers.  It will our job to insure he understands the 
importance of the caves and the preservation of the caves in the LNF.
 
I will attempt to get an appointment to visit with him soon after his arrival 
to voice our concerns over the caves and the management of those caves.
 
Ken   
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
rain. 

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[SWR] New Guadalupe District Ranger

2011-05-17 Thread Ken Harrington

Hi all,
 
The new District Ranger for the Guadalupe District of the Lincoln National 
Forest is a gentleman named Jim Gumm.  He is due to start his new job on the 
20th of June.  Mr. Gumm has a MA in Organizational Communications and a BA in 
Industrial Technology.   His last assignment was a the Public Affairs Officer 
at Modoc National Forest.  He has been with the FS since 2008.  Prior to that 
he was Deputy Director of Operations, Louisiana, FEMA.  He also spent 14 years 
in the USAF as an Explosive Ordinance Disposal Technician/Manager.  

He and his wife have family in Albuquerque and have been frequest visitors to 
the state.
 
Personal note:  It is my understanding that Mr. Gumm has had very little (if 
any) exposure to caves or cavers.  It will our job to insure he understands the 
importance of the caves and the preservation of the caves in the LNF.
 
I will attempt to get an appointment to visit with him soon after his arrival 
to voice our concerns over the caves and the management of those caves.
 
Ken   
Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
rain. 

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[Texascavers] NaturFest update

2011-05-17 Thread David
Any cavers coming from west or north of Brenham, that arrive with a
movie-ticket stub
( dated May 20 or 21 ) from Cave of Forgotten Dreams, will get in FREE !

2029 Happy Hollow Rd.  Brenham.

And,

if you arrive at Friday before midnight, you will also get a set of
Ginsu knives.

David Locklear
281-995-8487

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[Texascavers] NaturFest update

2011-05-17 Thread David
Any cavers coming from west or north of Brenham, that arrive with a
movie-ticket stub
( dated May 20 or 21 ) from Cave of Forgotten Dreams, will get in FREE !

2029 Happy Hollow Rd.  Brenham.

And,

if you arrive at Friday before midnight, you will also get a set of
Ginsu knives.

David Locklear
281-995-8487

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[Texascavers] NaturFest update

2011-05-17 Thread David
Any cavers coming from west or north of Brenham, that arrive with a
movie-ticket stub
( dated May 20 or 21 ) from Cave of Forgotten Dreams, will get in FREE !

2029 Happy Hollow Rd.  Brenham.

And,

if you arrive at Friday before midnight, you will also get a set of
Ginsu knives.

David Locklear
281-995-8487

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texascavers Digest 17 May 2011 18:29:48 -0000 Issue 1311

2011-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 17 May 2011 18:29:48 - Issue 1311

Topics (messages 17778 through 17788):

Re: Facebook related
17778 by: Fritz Holt

hello, GPS underground
17779 by: Espeleo Coahuila

New LED flashlight
17780 by: dlocklear01.gmail.com
17781 by: Mark Minton

UT GROTTO Meeting - Wed May 18
17782 by: Gary Franklin

5 Mouth Cave dig
17783 by: J. LaRue Thomas

"Cave of Forgotten Dreams" Coming This Friday to the Violet Crown Cinema in 
Austin - Group Discount!
17784 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Re: Cave of Forgotten Dreams
17785 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
17787 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Re: [SWR] Cave street art
17786 by: Diana Tomchick

Petzl Scorpio Recall
17788 by: Mark Minton

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David, 

As previously mentioned, I don't do facebook but can't most cavers be reached 
via cavetex and OT? I hope to join you there Saturday.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:49 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

I am right now sending out personal invitations via e-mail to the 500
NSS members in Texas to
invite them to NaturFest.

This would be 100 times easier if all of these people were on Facebook
and on a common caving group
page such as, "AllTexas Caver," or the TSA group.

Most of the e-mails so far have bounced back, and many don't have
e-mails.   Some are obvious typos.
Many have weird e-mail addresses that you have to carefully proofread,
which is no fun.

I would like to personally thank Mark Zuckerberg and the guys he stole
the idea from for making this
much easier.Facebook is the best way at the moment to plan events,
but I can see something else
coming along someday to do it even better, and I am willing to bet it
will be a product from the winner
of the Android/iOS war.

Someone should try to track the folks down in the NSS manual and send
them a Facebook invite to their
favorite group.


I am leaving for Brenham in just 4 days to start setting things up, so
this is the last chance I will get to
send out invites.   If you never get an invite, it was not
intentional.Some of you didn't want one and
got it several times from different sources.Sorry about that.

Weather outlook so far for NaturFest is looking warm and muggy during
the day, but not so bad at night.

I have invited a whole lot more people this year, so if some of them
come, the event should break even.

David Locklear

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Lowe's Hardware just got a new flashlight in.

Kobalt #0079129

I will not be able to test it for a while, but it looks like the best 
flashlight I have seen in my life.

$ 70

500 lumens on high.  Has a low setting which is what you would normally use.

Has fancy lens arrangement with 3 LED's.

Light-weight enough to take on a caving trip to a big cave.

Hopefully there will be one at next caver's auction.

David Locklear
 
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
There's a whole thread on this light on the 
CandlePowerForum, including a 
photograph: 
. 
It uses relatively expensive CR123 batteries.


Mark Minton

At 12:44 PM 5/16/2011, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

Lowe's Hardware just got a new flashlight in.

Kobalt #0079129

I will not be able to test it for a while, but it looks like the 
best flashlight I have seen in my life.


$ 70

500 lumens on high.  Has a low setting which is what you would normally use.

Has fancy lens arrangement with 3 LED's.

Light-weight enough to take on a caving trip to a big cave.

Hopefully there will be one at next caver's auction.

David Locklear


Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

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Howdy Caver,


You are cordially invited to attend the Underground Texas Grotto meeting on
Wednesday May 4, 2011 from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.

University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html



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texascavers Digest 17 May 2011 18:29:48 -0000 Issue 1311

2011-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 17 May 2011 18:29:48 - Issue 1311

Topics (messages 17778 through 17788):

Re: Facebook related
17778 by: Fritz Holt

hello, GPS underground
17779 by: Espeleo Coahuila

New LED flashlight
17780 by: dlocklear01.gmail.com
17781 by: Mark Minton

UT GROTTO Meeting - Wed May 18
17782 by: Gary Franklin

5 Mouth Cave dig
17783 by: J. LaRue Thomas

"Cave of Forgotten Dreams" Coming This Friday to the Violet Crown Cinema in 
Austin - Group Discount!
17784 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Re: Cave of Forgotten Dreams
17785 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
17787 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Re: [SWR] Cave street art
17786 by: Diana Tomchick

Petzl Scorpio Recall
17788 by: Mark Minton

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David, 

As previously mentioned, I don't do facebook but can't most cavers be reached 
via cavetex and OT? I hope to join you there Saturday.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:49 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

I am right now sending out personal invitations via e-mail to the 500
NSS members in Texas to
invite them to NaturFest.

This would be 100 times easier if all of these people were on Facebook
and on a common caving group
page such as, "AllTexas Caver," or the TSA group.

Most of the e-mails so far have bounced back, and many don't have
e-mails.   Some are obvious typos.
Many have weird e-mail addresses that you have to carefully proofread,
which is no fun.

I would like to personally thank Mark Zuckerberg and the guys he stole
the idea from for making this
much easier.Facebook is the best way at the moment to plan events,
but I can see something else
coming along someday to do it even better, and I am willing to bet it
will be a product from the winner
of the Android/iOS war.

Someone should try to track the folks down in the NSS manual and send
them a Facebook invite to their
favorite group.


I am leaving for Brenham in just 4 days to start setting things up, so
this is the last chance I will get to
send out invites.   If you never get an invite, it was not
intentional.Some of you didn't want one and
got it several times from different sources.Sorry about that.

Weather outlook so far for NaturFest is looking warm and muggy during
the day, but not so bad at night.

I have invited a whole lot more people this year, so if some of them
come, the event should break even.

David Locklear

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espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
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Lowe's Hardware just got a new flashlight in.

Kobalt #0079129

I will not be able to test it for a while, but it looks like the best 
flashlight I have seen in my life.

$ 70

500 lumens on high.  Has a low setting which is what you would normally use.

Has fancy lens arrangement with 3 LED's.

Light-weight enough to take on a caving trip to a big cave.

Hopefully there will be one at next caver's auction.

David Locklear
 
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
There's a whole thread on this light on the 
CandlePowerForum, including a 
photograph: 
. 
It uses relatively expensive CR123 batteries.


Mark Minton

At 12:44 PM 5/16/2011, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

Lowe's Hardware just got a new flashlight in.

Kobalt #0079129

I will not be able to test it for a while, but it looks like the 
best flashlight I have seen in my life.


$ 70

500 lumens on high.  Has a low setting which is what you would normally use.

Has fancy lens arrangement with 3 LED's.

Light-weight enough to take on a caving trip to a big cave.

Hopefully there will be one at next caver's auction.

David Locklear


Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

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Howdy Caver,


You are cordially invited to attend the Underground Texas Grotto meeting on
Wednesday May 4, 2011 from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.

University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html



Geoff Hoese will be presenti

texascavers Digest 17 May 2011 18:29:48 -0000 Issue 1311

2011-05-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 17 May 2011 18:29:48 - Issue 1311

Topics (messages 17778 through 17788):

Re: Facebook related
17778 by: Fritz Holt

hello, GPS underground
17779 by: Espeleo Coahuila

New LED flashlight
17780 by: dlocklear01.gmail.com
17781 by: Mark Minton

UT GROTTO Meeting - Wed May 18
17782 by: Gary Franklin

5 Mouth Cave dig
17783 by: J. LaRue Thomas

"Cave of Forgotten Dreams" Coming This Friday to the Violet Crown Cinema in 
Austin - Group Discount!
17784 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Re: Cave of Forgotten Dreams
17785 by: BBURNETT1.austin.rr.com
17787 by: Mark.Alman.L-3com.com

Re: [SWR] Cave street art
17786 by: Diana Tomchick

Petzl Scorpio Recall
17788 by: Mark Minton

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David, 

As previously mentioned, I don't do facebook but can't most cavers be reached 
via cavetex and OT? I hope to join you there Saturday.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:49 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related

I am right now sending out personal invitations via e-mail to the 500
NSS members in Texas to
invite them to NaturFest.

This would be 100 times easier if all of these people were on Facebook
and on a common caving group
page such as, "AllTexas Caver," or the TSA group.

Most of the e-mails so far have bounced back, and many don't have
e-mails.   Some are obvious typos.
Many have weird e-mail addresses that you have to carefully proofread,
which is no fun.

I would like to personally thank Mark Zuckerberg and the guys he stole
the idea from for making this
much easier.Facebook is the best way at the moment to plan events,
but I can see something else
coming along someday to do it even better, and I am willing to bet it
will be a product from the winner
of the Android/iOS war.

Someone should try to track the folks down in the NSS manual and send
them a Facebook invite to their
favorite group.


I am leaving for Brenham in just 4 days to start setting things up, so
this is the last chance I will get to
send out invites.   If you never get an invite, it was not
intentional.Some of you didn't want one and
got it several times from different sources.Sorry about that.

Weather outlook so far for NaturFest is looking warm and muggy during
the day, but not so bad at night.

I have invited a whole lot more people this year, so if some of them
come, the event should break even.

David Locklear

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-- 
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Lowe's Hardware just got a new flashlight in.

Kobalt #0079129

I will not be able to test it for a while, but it looks like the best 
flashlight I have seen in my life.

$ 70

500 lumens on high.  Has a low setting which is what you would normally use.

Has fancy lens arrangement with 3 LED's.

Light-weight enough to take on a caving trip to a big cave.

Hopefully there will be one at next caver's auction.

David Locklear
 
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
There's a whole thread on this light on the 
CandlePowerForum, including a 
photograph: 
. 
It uses relatively expensive CR123 batteries.


Mark Minton

At 12:44 PM 5/16/2011, dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote:

Lowe's Hardware just got a new flashlight in.

Kobalt #0079129

I will not be able to test it for a while, but it looks like the 
best flashlight I have seen in my life.


$ 70

500 lumens on high.  Has a low setting which is what you would normally use.

Has fancy lens arrangement with 3 LED's.

Light-weight enough to take on a caving trip to a big cave.

Hopefully there will be one at next caver's auction.

David Locklear


Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

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Howdy Caver,


You are cordially invited to attend the Underground Texas Grotto meeting on
Wednesday May 4, 2011 from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M.

University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall
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[Texascavers] Petzl Scorpio Recall

2011-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I just learned from John Kerr that Petzl is recalling their 
L60 Scorpio via ferrata lanyard due to a potentially deadly 
manufacturing 
defect: 
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[Texascavers] Petzl Scorpio Recall

2011-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I just learned from John Kerr that Petzl is recalling their 
L60 Scorpio via ferrata lanyard due to a potentially deadly 
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[Texascavers] Petzl Scorpio Recall

2011-05-17 Thread Mark Minton
I just learned from John Kerr that Petzl is recalling their 
L60 Scorpio via ferrata lanyard due to a potentially deadly 
manufacturing 
defect: 
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Re: [PBSS] Rope climbing practice

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
I do wish I could join you all and I hope it works for you, Lori--have fun 
everybody! I hope to know the Abyss date for sure before the day is out. Jacqui
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bentley 
  To: PBSS Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:04 PM
  Subject: [PBSS] Rope climbing practice


  Cavers,
I have some small bit of yard work to complete Saturday morning 
5-21-11, but after that I will be available for rope climbing practice ..

  I have like a 50-75 peice of rope that is no good for caving, but is good for 
practice climbing...
  Let me know in advance...
  Attached is a picture of the set up...It held me up and I weigh 185-190 lbs...


  Thanks,
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Re: [PBSS] Rope climbing practice

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
I do wish I could join you all and I hope it works for you, Lori--have fun 
everybody! I hope to know the Abyss date for sure before the day is out. Jacqui
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bentley 
  To: PBSS Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:04 PM
  Subject: [PBSS] Rope climbing practice


  Cavers,
I have some small bit of yard work to complete Saturday morning 
5-21-11, but after that I will be available for rope climbing practice ..

  I have like a 50-75 peice of rope that is no good for caving, but is good for 
practice climbing...
  Let me know in advance...
  Attached is a picture of the set up...It held me up and I weigh 185-190 lbs...


  Thanks,
  Bill



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Re: [PBSS] Rope climbing practice

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas
I do wish I could join you all and I hope it works for you, Lori--have fun 
everybody! I hope to know the Abyss date for sure before the day is out. Jacqui
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Bentley 
  To: PBSS Mailing List 
  Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:04 PM
  Subject: [PBSS] Rope climbing practice


  Cavers,
I have some small bit of yard work to complete Saturday morning 
5-21-11, but after that I will be available for rope climbing practice ..

  I have like a 50-75 peice of rope that is no good for caving, but is good for 
practice climbing...
  Let me know in advance...
  Attached is a picture of the set up...It held me up and I weigh 185-190 lbs...


  Thanks,
  Bill



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Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip and release

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas

Thanks for that, Bill.

Anyone who goes to Bill's for the climbing practice perhaps you can sign a 
release there and have more than one signature on a page. By then, there 
will be a firm date and you will know if you need to sign. J.


- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bentley" 

To: "J. LaRue Thomas" ; 
Subject: Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip and release


I will scan the release and email as PDF files back to Jacqui for you after 
you sign and fill them out, but I need them ASAP and preferably before 
Sunday 5-22-11

Thanks,
Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "J. LaRue Thomas" 

To: 



All,
The two possible dates for Abyss are June 11 & 18th. I still need to 
speak with the leaseholder--he told us to pick a couple of weekends and 
get back to him.


We will need to send signed releases in advance of our visit. I have 
attached a .pdf of the standard TSA release form. Print, sign, scan, and 
email it to me. I will fill in the blanks. If you need to snail mail it, 
please wait because I may not be the best person to be receiving hard 
copies. For hard copies I will let you know.


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Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip and release

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas

Thanks for that, Bill.

Anyone who goes to Bill's for the climbing practice perhaps you can sign a 
release there and have more than one signature on a page. By then, there 
will be a firm date and you will know if you need to sign. J.


- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bentley" 

To: "J. LaRue Thomas" ; 
Subject: Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip and release


I will scan the release and email as PDF files back to Jacqui for you after 
you sign and fill them out, but I need them ASAP and preferably before 
Sunday 5-22-11

Thanks,
Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "J. LaRue Thomas" 

To: 



All,
The two possible dates for Abyss are June 11 & 18th. I still need to 
speak with the leaseholder--he told us to pick a couple of weekends and 
get back to him.


We will need to send signed releases in advance of our visit. I have 
attached a .pdf of the standard TSA release form. Print, sign, scan, and 
email it to me. I will fill in the blanks. If you need to snail mail it, 
please wait because I may not be the best person to be receiving hard 
copies. For hard copies I will let you know.


Jacqui

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Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip and release

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas

Thanks for that, Bill.

Anyone who goes to Bill's for the climbing practice perhaps you can sign a 
release there and have more than one signature on a page. By then, there 
will be a firm date and you will know if you need to sign. J.


- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bentley" 

To: "J. LaRue Thomas" ; 
Subject: Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip and release


I will scan the release and email as PDF files back to Jacqui for you after 
you sign and fill them out, but I need them ASAP and preferably before 
Sunday 5-22-11

Thanks,
Bill

- Original Message - 
From: "J. LaRue Thomas" 

To: 



All,
The two possible dates for Abyss are June 11 & 18th. I still need to 
speak with the leaseholder--he told us to pick a couple of weekends and 
get back to him.


We will need to send signed releases in advance of our visit. I have 
attached a .pdf of the standard TSA release form. Print, sign, scan, and 
email it to me. I will fill in the blanks. If you need to snail mail it, 
please wait because I may not be the best person to be receiving hard 
copies. For hard copies I will let you know.


Jacqui

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RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

2011-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
 

Nice article, Rune, and I have you down!

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: bburne...@austin.rr.com [mailto:bburne...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:19 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

 

 

 

From: bburne...@austin.rr.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 AM

To: Bob Burnett   

Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

 

 

 

 

Here’s a review. And count me in. BB



RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

2011-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
 

Nice article, Rune, and I have you down!

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: bburne...@austin.rr.com [mailto:bburne...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:19 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

 

 

 

From: bburne...@austin.rr.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 AM

To: Bob Burnett   

Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

 

 

 

 

Here’s a review. And count me in. BB



RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

2011-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
 

Nice article, Rune, and I have you down!

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: bburne...@austin.rr.com [mailto:bburne...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:19 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

 

 

 

From: bburne...@austin.rr.com 

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 AM

To: Bob Burnett   

Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

 

 

 

 

Here’s a review. And count me in. BB



[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Cave street art

2011-05-17 Thread Diana Tomchick

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jon Broholm mailto:jonbroh...@yahoo.com>>
Date: May 17, 2011 11:07:32 AM CDT
To: SWR Caver mailto:s...@caver.net>>, 
mailto:colorado-cave-sur...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [SWR] Cave street art

Cool "street art"...the last 3 photos in this set are new "caves."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/3D-Street-Art-Edgar-Mueller/ss/events/wl/0513113dstreetart#photoViewer=/ydownload/20110513/photos_net_web_wl/1305300361
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Cave street art

2011-05-17 Thread Diana Tomchick

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jon Broholm mailto:jonbroh...@yahoo.com>>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: May 17, 2011 11:07:32 AM CDT
To: SWR Caver mailto:s...@caver.net>>, 
mailto:colorado-cave-sur...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [SWR] Cave street art

Cool "street art"...the last 3 photos in this set are new "caves."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/3D-Street-Art-Edgar-Mueller/ss/events/wl/0513113dstreetart#photoViewer=/ydownload/20110513/photos_net_web_wl/1305300361
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Cave street art

2011-05-17 Thread Diana Tomchick

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jon Broholm mailto:jonbroh...@yahoo.com>>
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: May 17, 2011 11:07:32 AM CDT
To: SWR Caver mailto:s...@caver.net>>, 
mailto:colorado-cave-sur...@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: [SWR] Cave street art

Cool "street art"...the last 3 photos in this set are new "caves."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/3D-Street-Art-Edgar-Mueller/ss/events/wl/0513113dstreetart#photoViewer=/ydownload/20110513/photos_net_web_wl/1305300361
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[Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

2011-05-17 Thread BBURNETT1


From: bburne...@austin.rr.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 AM
To: Bob Burnett 
Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams




Here’s a review. And count me in. BB



Do They Dream? Spelunking With Werner Herzog
Stuart Klawans | April 27, 2011
Hyperbole fails. “A movie 30,000 years in the making! Goes where no film has 
gone before—or will ever go again! Mysteries and wonders leap off the screen! 
In a lifetime of moviegoing, you will never see another film like this!” Such 
ravings become mere statements of fact with Werner Herzog’s Cave of Forgotten 
Dreams, a documentary that demotes cries of “Awesome!” to the status of mere 
reportage. The proposition, quite literally, is this: you can pay your money, 
strap on your 3-D glasses (yes, 3-D) and witness what Herzog alone has been 
entrusted to show you, or else forgo seeing the most primal and profound 
evidence yet encountered of what makes us human.

That evidence lies buried in the cliffs overlooking the Ardèche River in 
southern France, where in 1994 a trio of spelunkers pushed their way through a 
crevice in the rock face and found the oldest known cave paintings in the 
world. The walls of the site, now named Chauvet Cave in honor of one of its 
discoverers, are covered with hundreds of images of animals, which most 
archaeologists believe to be approximately 30,000 years old. There is some 
debate; but no one doubts that the paintings are almost pristine, the mouth of 
the cave having been sealed by a rockfall ages ago. To make sure that the 
condition of the paintings remains stable, the entrance has been resealed, this 
time by a steel bank-vault door. Small research teams and their highly select 
guests enter the cave for only six weeks during the year, breaking up their 
time to avoid letting too much body heat and moisture build up. No other people 
are permitted beyond the steel door—except for Herzog and a skeleton crew, who 
received permission from the French Ministry of Culture to film in Chauvet Cave 
in the spring of 2010.

Some details of Herzog’s experience during the shoot are unavoidably worked 
into Cave of Forgotten Dreams, since passages through Chauvet Cave are cramped, 
and everyone must remain on a narrow steel walkway that the researchers have 
laid down. The crew members, with their battery belts and flat lights, could 
not help getting into the shots. This was only fitting; people who come to 
Chauvet Cave to explore someone else’s form of image-making do well to 
acknowledge their own. But Herzog also incorporates voluntary self-revelations. 
He chooses to narrate the film in voiceover and to make his presence felt 
during interviews. And the presence, as should be obvious from decades of his 
cinema, is far from bland. Speaking with an archaeologist about the difficulty 
of understanding the cave painters from the marks they left behind, Herzog 
likens the attempt to someone’s trying in the future to imagine the lives of 
New Yorkers based solely on a discovered list of their names. “Do they dream? 
Do they cry at night? We would never know from the phone directory.”

Never mind that the paintings are far from being piled up in a matter-of-fact 
list. They were made to glide and veer, warp and scurry by firelight across the 
surfaces of their chambers, where thousands of years of calcite deposits 
glisten like pearl. Herzog knows perfectly well that the spectacle is stunning, 
and he’s prepared to keep his implicit bargain by giving you plenty of it. 
(That’s why he complicated an already challenging shoot by filming in 3-D, so 
you could see the paintings in their plasticity, as they curve with the walls. 
Given the chance, I suspect, Herzog would have added Smell-o-Vision.) But he is 
not content merely to record these traces, however beautiful, of a vastly 
distant, all but unimaginable communal life. He is also determined to confront 
that unfathomable collective experience with what we know in the present—the 
idiosyncratic, the concrete, the individual—as if trying to look through both 
ends of a telescope at the same time.

You sense Herzog’s delight when one of the younger scientists he 
interviews—bearded, ponytailed and draped in a stylish scarf—turns out to have 
come to archaeology from a career in the circus, where he rode unicycles and 
juggled. A kindred spirit! The scientist recalls having needed to get away for 
a while after his first days of working in the cave, so overpowering were the 
paintings, but then feeling reassured and happy when the images of the Chauvet 
lions invaded his dreams. Then there’s the experimental archaeologist who plays 
“The Star-Spangled Banner” on his reconstruction of a Paleolithic flute; the 
researcher who gamely trots back and forth in a field for Herzog, demonstrating 
the spear-throwing technique of prehistoric hunters (who must have been much, 
much better at it, he admits); the master perfu

[Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

2011-05-17 Thread BBURNETT1


From: bburne...@austin.rr.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 AM
To: Bob Burnett 
Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams




Here’s a review. And count me in. BB



Do They Dream? Spelunking With Werner Herzog
Stuart Klawans | April 27, 2011
Hyperbole fails. “A movie 30,000 years in the making! Goes where no film has 
gone before—or will ever go again! Mysteries and wonders leap off the screen! 
In a lifetime of moviegoing, you will never see another film like this!” Such 
ravings become mere statements of fact with Werner Herzog’s Cave of Forgotten 
Dreams, a documentary that demotes cries of “Awesome!” to the status of mere 
reportage. The proposition, quite literally, is this: you can pay your money, 
strap on your 3-D glasses (yes, 3-D) and witness what Herzog alone has been 
entrusted to show you, or else forgo seeing the most primal and profound 
evidence yet encountered of what makes us human.

That evidence lies buried in the cliffs overlooking the Ardèche River in 
southern France, where in 1994 a trio of spelunkers pushed their way through a 
crevice in the rock face and found the oldest known cave paintings in the 
world. The walls of the site, now named Chauvet Cave in honor of one of its 
discoverers, are covered with hundreds of images of animals, which most 
archaeologists believe to be approximately 30,000 years old. There is some 
debate; but no one doubts that the paintings are almost pristine, the mouth of 
the cave having been sealed by a rockfall ages ago. To make sure that the 
condition of the paintings remains stable, the entrance has been resealed, this 
time by a steel bank-vault door. Small research teams and their highly select 
guests enter the cave for only six weeks during the year, breaking up their 
time to avoid letting too much body heat and moisture build up. No other people 
are permitted beyond the steel door—except for Herzog and a skeleton crew, who 
received permission from the French Ministry of Culture to film in Chauvet Cave 
in the spring of 2010.

Some details of Herzog’s experience during the shoot are unavoidably worked 
into Cave of Forgotten Dreams, since passages through Chauvet Cave are cramped, 
and everyone must remain on a narrow steel walkway that the researchers have 
laid down. The crew members, with their battery belts and flat lights, could 
not help getting into the shots. This was only fitting; people who come to 
Chauvet Cave to explore someone else’s form of image-making do well to 
acknowledge their own. But Herzog also incorporates voluntary self-revelations. 
He chooses to narrate the film in voiceover and to make his presence felt 
during interviews. And the presence, as should be obvious from decades of his 
cinema, is far from bland. Speaking with an archaeologist about the difficulty 
of understanding the cave painters from the marks they left behind, Herzog 
likens the attempt to someone’s trying in the future to imagine the lives of 
New Yorkers based solely on a discovered list of their names. “Do they dream? 
Do they cry at night? We would never know from the phone directory.”

Never mind that the paintings are far from being piled up in a matter-of-fact 
list. They were made to glide and veer, warp and scurry by firelight across the 
surfaces of their chambers, where thousands of years of calcite deposits 
glisten like pearl. Herzog knows perfectly well that the spectacle is stunning, 
and he’s prepared to keep his implicit bargain by giving you plenty of it. 
(That’s why he complicated an already challenging shoot by filming in 3-D, so 
you could see the paintings in their plasticity, as they curve with the walls. 
Given the chance, I suspect, Herzog would have added Smell-o-Vision.) But he is 
not content merely to record these traces, however beautiful, of a vastly 
distant, all but unimaginable communal life. He is also determined to confront 
that unfathomable collective experience with what we know in the present—the 
idiosyncratic, the concrete, the individual—as if trying to look through both 
ends of a telescope at the same time.

You sense Herzog’s delight when one of the younger scientists he 
interviews—bearded, ponytailed and draped in a stylish scarf—turns out to have 
come to archaeology from a career in the circus, where he rode unicycles and 
juggled. A kindred spirit! The scientist recalls having needed to get away for 
a while after his first days of working in the cave, so overpowering were the 
paintings, but then feeling reassured and happy when the images of the Chauvet 
lions invaded his dreams. Then there’s the experimental archaeologist who plays 
“The Star-Spangled Banner” on his reconstruction of a Paleolithic flute; the 
researcher who gamely trots back and forth in a field for Herzog, demonstrating 
the spear-throwing technique of prehistoric hunters (who must have been much, 
much better at it, he admits); the master perfu

[Texascavers] Fw: Cave of Forgotten Dreams

2011-05-17 Thread BBURNETT1


From: bburne...@austin.rr.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:13 AM
To: Bob Burnett 
Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams




Here’s a review. And count me in. BB



Do They Dream? Spelunking With Werner Herzog
Stuart Klawans | April 27, 2011
Hyperbole fails. “A movie 30,000 years in the making! Goes where no film has 
gone before—or will ever go again! Mysteries and wonders leap off the screen! 
In a lifetime of moviegoing, you will never see another film like this!” Such 
ravings become mere statements of fact with Werner Herzog’s Cave of Forgotten 
Dreams, a documentary that demotes cries of “Awesome!” to the status of mere 
reportage. The proposition, quite literally, is this: you can pay your money, 
strap on your 3-D glasses (yes, 3-D) and witness what Herzog alone has been 
entrusted to show you, or else forgo seeing the most primal and profound 
evidence yet encountered of what makes us human.

That evidence lies buried in the cliffs overlooking the Ardèche River in 
southern France, where in 1994 a trio of spelunkers pushed their way through a 
crevice in the rock face and found the oldest known cave paintings in the 
world. The walls of the site, now named Chauvet Cave in honor of one of its 
discoverers, are covered with hundreds of images of animals, which most 
archaeologists believe to be approximately 30,000 years old. There is some 
debate; but no one doubts that the paintings are almost pristine, the mouth of 
the cave having been sealed by a rockfall ages ago. To make sure that the 
condition of the paintings remains stable, the entrance has been resealed, this 
time by a steel bank-vault door. Small research teams and their highly select 
guests enter the cave for only six weeks during the year, breaking up their 
time to avoid letting too much body heat and moisture build up. No other people 
are permitted beyond the steel door—except for Herzog and a skeleton crew, who 
received permission from the French Ministry of Culture to film in Chauvet Cave 
in the spring of 2010.

Some details of Herzog’s experience during the shoot are unavoidably worked 
into Cave of Forgotten Dreams, since passages through Chauvet Cave are cramped, 
and everyone must remain on a narrow steel walkway that the researchers have 
laid down. The crew members, with their battery belts and flat lights, could 
not help getting into the shots. This was only fitting; people who come to 
Chauvet Cave to explore someone else’s form of image-making do well to 
acknowledge their own. But Herzog also incorporates voluntary self-revelations. 
He chooses to narrate the film in voiceover and to make his presence felt 
during interviews. And the presence, as should be obvious from decades of his 
cinema, is far from bland. Speaking with an archaeologist about the difficulty 
of understanding the cave painters from the marks they left behind, Herzog 
likens the attempt to someone’s trying in the future to imagine the lives of 
New Yorkers based solely on a discovered list of their names. “Do they dream? 
Do they cry at night? We would never know from the phone directory.”

Never mind that the paintings are far from being piled up in a matter-of-fact 
list. They were made to glide and veer, warp and scurry by firelight across the 
surfaces of their chambers, where thousands of years of calcite deposits 
glisten like pearl. Herzog knows perfectly well that the spectacle is stunning, 
and he’s prepared to keep his implicit bargain by giving you plenty of it. 
(That’s why he complicated an already challenging shoot by filming in 3-D, so 
you could see the paintings in their plasticity, as they curve with the walls. 
Given the chance, I suspect, Herzog would have added Smell-o-Vision.) But he is 
not content merely to record these traces, however beautiful, of a vastly 
distant, all but unimaginable communal life. He is also determined to confront 
that unfathomable collective experience with what we know in the present—the 
idiosyncratic, the concrete, the individual—as if trying to look through both 
ends of a telescope at the same time.

You sense Herzog’s delight when one of the younger scientists he 
interviews—bearded, ponytailed and draped in a stylish scarf—turns out to have 
come to archaeology from a career in the circus, where he rode unicycles and 
juggled. A kindred spirit! The scientist recalls having needed to get away for 
a while after his first days of working in the cave, so overpowering were the 
paintings, but then feeling reassured and happy when the images of the Chauvet 
lions invaded his dreams. Then there’s the experimental archaeologist who plays 
“The Star-Spangled Banner” on his reconstruction of a Paleolithic flute; the 
researcher who gamely trots back and forth in a field for Herzog, demonstrating 
the spear-throwing technique of prehistoric hunters (who must have been much, 
much better at it, he admits); the master perfu

[SWR] Cave street art

2011-05-17 Thread Jon Broholm
Cool "street art"...the last 3 photos in this set are new "caves."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/3D-Street-Art-Edgar-Mueller/ss/events/wl/0513113dstreetart#photoViewer=/ydownload/20110513/photos_net_web_wl/1305300361
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[SWR] Cave street art

2011-05-17 Thread Jon Broholm
Cool "street art"...the last 3 photos in this set are new "caves."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/3D-Street-Art-Edgar-Mueller/ss/events/wl/0513113dstreetart#photoViewer=/ydownload/20110513/photos_net_web_wl/1305300361
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2011-05-17 Thread Jon Broholm
Cool "street art"...the last 3 photos in this set are new "caves."

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/3D-Street-Art-Edgar-Mueller/ss/events/wl/0513113dstreetart#photoViewer=/ydownload/20110513/photos_net_web_wl/1305300361
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[Texascavers] "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" Coming This Friday to the Violet Crown Cinema in Austin - Group Discount!

2011-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Hey, all of you C.O.C.U. (Center of the Caving Universe) cavers!

 

 

This superb movie, directed by Werner Herzog, is opening in your area Friday, 
May 20th, and y'all are invited and encouraged to attend.

 

I'm working on finding out what the discount will be, but, the more cavers the 
better, I would imagine.

 

If you're interested in attending, please send me your name so I can give David 
a fairly accurate head count.

 

 

Bill Steele, Diana Tomchick, and a bunch of DFW cavers and myself have already 
seen this movie and give it an enthusiastic muddy "thumbs up"!

 

Look for reviews of this movie in the next TEXAS CAVER, which I am feverishly 
working on as we speak.

 

Send me your thoughts and reviews for inclusion, ASAP, as well.

 

 

Thanks!

 

Mark

 

 

 

- Forwarded Message 
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 1:02:22 PM
Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams/Violet Crown Cinema

Hi Mark,

 

My name is David Gil and I am the marketing manager at the Violet Crown Cinema 
which recently opened in the 2nd street district of downtown Austin. Violet 
Crown Cinema is a locally owned and operated cinema with four screens devoted 
to art, independent, documentary and international films.  Violet Crown offers 
modern amenities including state-of-the-art digital sound and projection, 
comfortable seating, stadium auditoriums with unobstructed sight lines, and a 
full bar and café with daily specials and craft cocktails that can be taken 
into the theater. 

 

We have a film called Cave of Forgotten Dreams opening this coming Friday, May 
20th that may interest the Texas Speleological Association. The documentary 
from acclaimed German director Werner Herzog gives the viewer exclusive access 
to the Chauvet caves of Southern France, capturing the oldest known pictorial 
creations of humankind in their astonishing natural setting.

 

I am wondering of you might be able to inform your peers about the film's 
screenings? Also, I would like to offer TSA a group discount if there is 
interest in viewing the film which will be presented in Digital 3D. 

 

I look forward to your reply and speaking with you further.

 

Best,

 

David Gil

Marketing Manager

Violet Crown Cinema

512.495.9600



[Texascavers] "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" Coming This Friday to the Violet Crown Cinema in Austin - Group Discount!

2011-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Hey, all of you C.O.C.U. (Center of the Caving Universe) cavers!

 

 

This superb movie, directed by Werner Herzog, is opening in your area Friday, 
May 20th, and y'all are invited and encouraged to attend.

 

I'm working on finding out what the discount will be, but, the more cavers the 
better, I would imagine.

 

If you're interested in attending, please send me your name so I can give David 
a fairly accurate head count.

 

 

Bill Steele, Diana Tomchick, and a bunch of DFW cavers and myself have already 
seen this movie and give it an enthusiastic muddy "thumbs up"!

 

Look for reviews of this movie in the next TEXAS CAVER, which I am feverishly 
working on as we speak.

 

Send me your thoughts and reviews for inclusion, ASAP, as well.

 

 

Thanks!

 

Mark

 

 

 

- Forwarded Message 
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 1:02:22 PM
Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams/Violet Crown Cinema

Hi Mark,

 

My name is David Gil and I am the marketing manager at the Violet Crown Cinema 
which recently opened in the 2nd street district of downtown Austin. Violet 
Crown Cinema is a locally owned and operated cinema with four screens devoted 
to art, independent, documentary and international films.  Violet Crown offers 
modern amenities including state-of-the-art digital sound and projection, 
comfortable seating, stadium auditoriums with unobstructed sight lines, and a 
full bar and café with daily specials and craft cocktails that can be taken 
into the theater. 

 

We have a film called Cave of Forgotten Dreams opening this coming Friday, May 
20th that may interest the Texas Speleological Association. The documentary 
from acclaimed German director Werner Herzog gives the viewer exclusive access 
to the Chauvet caves of Southern France, capturing the oldest known pictorial 
creations of humankind in their astonishing natural setting.

 

I am wondering of you might be able to inform your peers about the film's 
screenings? Also, I would like to offer TSA a group discount if there is 
interest in viewing the film which will be presented in Digital 3D. 

 

I look forward to your reply and speaking with you further.

 

Best,

 

David Gil

Marketing Manager

Violet Crown Cinema

512.495.9600



[Texascavers] "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" Coming This Friday to the Violet Crown Cinema in Austin - Group Discount!

2011-05-17 Thread Mark . Alman
Hey, all of you C.O.C.U. (Center of the Caving Universe) cavers!

 

 

This superb movie, directed by Werner Herzog, is opening in your area Friday, 
May 20th, and y'all are invited and encouraged to attend.

 

I'm working on finding out what the discount will be, but, the more cavers the 
better, I would imagine.

 

If you're interested in attending, please send me your name so I can give David 
a fairly accurate head count.

 

 

Bill Steele, Diana Tomchick, and a bunch of DFW cavers and myself have already 
seen this movie and give it an enthusiastic muddy "thumbs up"!

 

Look for reviews of this movie in the next TEXAS CAVER, which I am feverishly 
working on as we speak.

 

Send me your thoughts and reviews for inclusion, ASAP, as well.

 

 

Thanks!

 

Mark

 

 

 

- Forwarded Message 
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 1:02:22 PM
Subject: Cave of Forgotten Dreams/Violet Crown Cinema

Hi Mark,

 

My name is David Gil and I am the marketing manager at the Violet Crown Cinema 
which recently opened in the 2nd street district of downtown Austin. Violet 
Crown Cinema is a locally owned and operated cinema with four screens devoted 
to art, independent, documentary and international films.  Violet Crown offers 
modern amenities including state-of-the-art digital sound and projection, 
comfortable seating, stadium auditoriums with unobstructed sight lines, and a 
full bar and café with daily specials and craft cocktails that can be taken 
into the theater. 

 

We have a film called Cave of Forgotten Dreams opening this coming Friday, May 
20th that may interest the Texas Speleological Association. The documentary 
from acclaimed German director Werner Herzog gives the viewer exclusive access 
to the Chauvet caves of Southern France, capturing the oldest known pictorial 
creations of humankind in their astonishing natural setting.

 

I am wondering of you might be able to inform your peers about the film's 
screenings? Also, I would like to offer TSA a group discount if there is 
interest in viewing the film which will be presented in Digital 3D. 

 

I look forward to your reply and speaking with you further.

 

Best,

 

David Gil

Marketing Manager

Violet Crown Cinema

512.495.9600



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> > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> > at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
> >
> > To confirm that you would like
> >
> >   xedm...@gmail.com
> >
> > added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> > an empty reply to this address:
> >
> >   texascavers-sc.1305646068.gjijfhdainkfeppoojhl-xedmada=gmail.com@
> > texascavers.com
> >
> > Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> > If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> > the "To:" field of a new message.
> >
> > This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> > to get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone
> > forges a subscription request in your name.
> >
> > Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> > cannot reply to this request, instead send a message to
> >  and put the
> > entire address listed above into the "Subject:" line.
> >
> >
> > --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
> >
> > I can handle administrative requ

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2011-05-17 Thread texascavers-help
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   xedm...@gmail.com

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
>   xedm...@gmail.com
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> an empty reply to this address:
>
>   texascavers-sc.1305646068.gjijfhdainkfeppoojhl-xedmada=gmail.com@
> texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> the "To:" field of a new message.
>
> This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> to get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone
> forges a subscription request in your name.
>
> Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> cannot reply to this request, instead send a message to
>  and put the
> entire address listed above into the "Subject:" line.
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>   
>
> To remove you

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

2011-05-17 Thread texascavers-help
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   xedm...@gmail.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1305646226.ckkcchhpjlaemmjdoafo-xedmada=gmail@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

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message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

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please send a message to:



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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
>   xedm...@gmail.com
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> an empty reply to this address:
>
>   texascavers-sc.1305646068.gjijfhdainkfeppoojhl-xedmada=gmail.com@
> texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> the "To:" field of a new message.
>
> This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> to get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone
> forges a subscription request in your name.
>
> Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> cannot reply to this request, instead send a message to
>  and put the
> entire address listed above into the "Subject:" line.
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, se

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

2011-05-17 Thread texascavers-help
Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   xedm...@gmail.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1305646226.ckkcchhpjlaemmjdoafo-xedmada=gmail@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
>   xedm...@gmail.com
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> an empty reply to this address:
>
>   texascavers-sc.1305646068.gjijfhdainkfeppoojhl-xedmada=gmail.com@
> texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> the "To:" field of a new message.
>
> This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> to get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone
> forges a subscription request in your name.
>
> Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> cannot reply to this request, instead send a message to
>  and put the
> entire address listed above into the "Subject:" line.
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, se

[Texascavers] 5 Mouth Cave dig

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas

All,
We have landowner approval for digging in Five Mouth Cave the weekend of 
June 4th. We for sure will dig all day Saturday and depending on people's 
schedules we can dig Sunday morning.


There is dry camping. I will provide directions and gate combo to folks who 
sign up. We can accommodate 15-16 people.


Contact me off list to sign up or with questions.

Jacqui Thomas, PBSS 



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[Texascavers] 5 Mouth Cave dig

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas

All,
We have landowner approval for digging in Five Mouth Cave the weekend of 
June 4th. We for sure will dig all day Saturday and depending on people's 
schedules we can dig Sunday morning.


There is dry camping. I will provide directions and gate combo to folks who 
sign up. We can accommodate 15-16 people.


Contact me off list to sign up or with questions.

Jacqui Thomas, PBSS 



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[Texascavers] 5 Mouth Cave dig

2011-05-17 Thread J. LaRue Thomas

All,
We have landowner approval for digging in Five Mouth Cave the weekend of 
June 4th. We for sure will dig all day Saturday and depending on people's 
schedules we can dig Sunday morning.


There is dry camping. I will provide directions and gate combo to folks who 
sign up. We can accommodate 15-16 people.


Contact me off list to sign up or with questions.

Jacqui Thomas, PBSS 



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