Re: [Texascavers] TSA elections

2011-08-22 Thread ellie.thoene
I am happy to run again but sure would love to add some new faces to the
team. I encourage everyone to come out to the Texas Speleological
Association http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html (TSA) meeting on
Sunday, October 16th and see whats going on with TSA and share any good
ideas you have. If you do not want to be an elected officer, please consider
serving on a volunteer committee by sharing ideas and helping with
responsibilities. It's so much easier when we all work together.

Some volunteer committees already have excellent, active chairs
(Publications, Safety, Projects) but please give any and all volunteer
committee chair ideas to Mark Alman and he can approach them off list.

The following are non-elected committee chair:

   - Publication Committee Chair
   - Safety and Techniques Committee Chair
   - Conservation Committee Chair
   - Membership Committee Chair
   - Projects Coordinator

The TSA  can always use new members and welcomes back previous members so
please consider joining TSA http://www.cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/index.php at
this years TCR at Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson City, TX on October 14th-16th,
2011.

See you there!

Ellie Watson, loves caving
TSA Vice Chair
Bexar Grotto-San Antonio, TX

About the TSA: http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Ron Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com wrote:

  Cavers:

 ** **

 It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas
 Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election
 at the Texas Caver Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any
 position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a
 fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.
 

 ** **

 Our present officers (2011) are:

 President – Mark Alman

 Vice-President – Ellie Watson

 Secretary – Denise Prendergast

 Treasurer – Michael Cicherski

 ** **

 If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be
 found under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for
 nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at
 your earliest convenience.

 ** **

 Sincerely,

 ** **

 Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair

 512.280.9468 Home

 512.797.3817 Cell

 August 21, 2011

 ** **



[Texascavers] a personal message

2011-08-22 Thread David
I spent over 3 months unsubcribed from CaveTex.I hope you all enjoyed that.

I had hoped to stay off for longer, but I want to volunteer to be a
driver at an
upcoming event, and I had fallen outside the loop of communication,
chain-of-command,
etc., causing unnecessary drama.

I am posting most of my rants on Google + now.I like it better
than Facebook.

So, I am trying to avoid Facebook, but it just seems to have to much
practical purpose.

For example,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavechatorg/168120223246915?sk=wall


Cheers,

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
President of NaturFest Association
Host of the 2012 East Texas Caver's Cookout
281-995-8487


P.S.

Costco has a new LED Flashlight that puts out 700 Lumens.

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RE: [Texascavers] a personal message

2011-08-22 Thread Fritz Holt
David,

It appears that Google + is contributing to the decline of our revered CaveTex 
and OT and you are helping it. Do you always have to be trying something new?

Fritz

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] a personal message

I spent over 3 months unsubcribed from CaveTex.I hope you all enjoyed that.

I had hoped to stay off for longer, but I want to volunteer to be a
driver at an
upcoming event, and I had fallen outside the loop of communication,
chain-of-command,
etc., causing unnecessary drama.

I am posting most of my rants on Google + now.I like it better
than Facebook.

So, I am trying to avoid Facebook, but it just seems to have to much
practical purpose.

For example,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavechatorg/168120223246915?sk=wall


Cheers,

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
President of NaturFest Association
Host of the 2012 East Texas Caver's Cookout
281-995-8487


P.S.

Costco has a new LED Flashlight that puts out 700 Lumens.

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Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico

2011-08-22 Thread Joe Ranzau
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php

MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a
limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and over
the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's flagging
tourism industry.

The balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his country's
violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour guide in a
series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September on Public
Broadcasting 
Servicehttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Public+Broadcasting+Service%22stations
in the United States.

The president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a
rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas cavern,
accompanied by Peter
Greenberghttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Peter+Greenberg%22,
host of the The Royal
Tourhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Royal+Tour%22
TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a
sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon Indian
paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapas state.

In the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly policy
wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive against drug
cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a few weeks,
according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto
Martinezhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Roberto+Martinez%22
.

I have other duties that are more dangerous, Calderon jokes, dangling
midair in a cavern as a rope lowers him hundreds of feet to the bottom. The
site is in the Gulf coast region of Mexico known as the Huasteca, which is
covered in jungle and dotted with caverns, waterfalls and crystalline pools.

Calderon swaps the explorer hat for a helmet with a headlamp for the descent
into the Golondrinas cave, named for the huge flocks of birds that live
inside. Calderon also appears in underwater footage from the
stalactite-studded cenote in Yucatan, where he flashes the camera an OK
signal from behind his dive mask.

Analysts say the videos represent a distinct break from the solemn treatment
that has long characterized the Mexican presidency but fit in with Calderon,
who has emphasized using the media to get his message across, and who has
sought to project a forceful image.

That's always been his objective, the whole macho thing, said John
Ackermanhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22John+Ackerman%22,
of the legal research institute at Mexico's National Autonomous
Universityhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22National+Autonomous+University%22.
In 2007, soon after putting the army on the front line of his offensive
against drug cartels, Calderon departed from presidential tradition by
putting on an olive-green army jacket that was a few sizes too big for his
short frame, an image that has been widely lampooned in newspaper cartoons
ever since.

From the very beginning, using the military uniforms and saluting, it's
always been his kind of thing, Ackerman said. It doesn't quite fit with
his physical appearance.

Drawing criticism, Calderon's administration took the image-building a step
further this year by funding a privately produced television miniseries
glorifying the federal police, which was broadcast by the country's largest
network. On Friday, the navy told local news media that it is letting
private producers use navy locations to make a miniseries about the force,
but that the navy is not financing any of the production.

Calderon's message in the latest videos is that Mexico is safe for tourists.

This is part of a strategy to promote the country abroad, said Martinez.

Nobody argues that Mexico's tourism needs a boost. According to the
country's central bank, overall foreign tourism in 2010, not including
border-area visitors, was still 6.3 percent below 2008 levels, and the first
half of 2011 saw a 2 percent decline from the same period of 2010.

Cruise ship visits in the first half of the year declined 9.3 percent, after
several cruise lines canceled Pacific port calls in Mazatlan and
Puerto Vallarta.

Analysts blame the drops on the world economic downturn hitting many
countries' travel industries, but also pointed to Mexico's drug violence,
which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives since Calderon took office
in late 2006.

While foreign tourists have not been targets of the violence, a point
Calderon is eager to make, it has had some undeniable effects. For example,
the border 

Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico

2011-08-22 Thread tbsamsel


BBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php

MEXICO
 CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a 
limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and 
over the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's 
flagging tourismindustry.The
 balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his 
country's violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour 
guide in a series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September 
on Public Broadcasting Service stations in the UnitedStates.

The
 president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a 
rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas 
cavern, accompanied by Peter Greenberg, host of the "The Royal Tour"
 TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a
 sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon 
Indian paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapasstate.In
 the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly 
policy wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive 
against drug cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a
 few weeks, according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto Martinez.

"I
 have other duties that are more dangerous," Calderon jokes, dangling 
midair in a cavern as a rope lowers him hundreds of feet to the bottom. 
The site is in the Gulf coast region of Mexico known as the Huasteca, 
which is covered in jungle and dotted with caverns, waterfalls and 
crystallinepools.Calderon
 swaps the explorer hat for a helmet with a headlamp for the descent 
into the Golondrinas cave, named for the huge flocks of birds that live 
inside. Calderon also appears in underwater footage from the 
stalactite-studded cenote in Yucatan, where he flashes the camera an 
"OK" signal from behind his divemask.Analysts
 say the videos represent a distinct break from the solemn treatment 
that has long characterized the Mexican presidency but fit in with 
Calderon, who has emphasized using the media to get his message across, 
and who has sought to project a forcefulimage."That's always been his objective, the whole macho thing," said John Ackerman, of the legal research institute at Mexico's National Autonomous University.
 In 2007, soon after putting the army on the front line of his offensive
 against drug cartels, Calderon departed from presidential tradition by 
putting on an olive-green army jacket that was a few sizes too big for 
his short frame, an image that has been widely lampooned in newspaper 
cartoons eversince."From
 the very beginning, using the military uniforms and saluting, it's 
always been his kind of thing," Ackerman said. "It doesn't quite fit 
with his physicalappearance."Drawing
 criticism, Calderon's administration took the image-building a step 
further this year by funding a privately produced television miniseries 
glorifying the federal police, which was broadcast by the country's 
largest network. On Friday, the navy told local news media that it is 
letting private producers use navy locations to make a miniseries about 
the force, but that the navy is not financing any of theproduction.Calderon's message in the latest videos is that Mexico is safe fortourists."This is part of a strategy to promote the country abroad," saidMartinez.

Nobody
 argues that Mexico's tourism needs a boost. According to the country's 
central bank, overall foreign tourism in 2010, not including border-area
 visitors, was still 6.3 percent below 2008 levels, and the first half 
of 2011 saw a 2 percent decline from the same period of2010.Cruise
 ship visits in the first half of the year declined 9.3 percent, after 
several cruise lines canceled Pacific port calls in Mazatlan and 
PuertoVallarta.Analysts
 blame the drops on the world economic downturn hitting many countries' 
travel industries, but also pointed to Mexico's drug violence, which has
 claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives since Calderon took office in 
late2006.While
 foreign tourists have not been targets of the violence, a point 
Calderon is eager to make, it has had some undeniable effects. For 
example, the border highway that many U.S. visitors once used to travel 
to the Huasteca region where Calderon went cave-diving is now considered
 so plagued by highway holdups and shootings that the U.S. State 
Department has issued warnings about travelingthere.The
 Huasteca remains a beautiful and largely safe region, but most tour 
operators recommend foreigners fly to a nearby Mexican airport rather 
than drive down from theborder.Some
 argue that Calderon's stint as a television travel guide might be 
ill-advised, both because it 

texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2011 03:29:50 -0000 Issue 1371

2011-08-22 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2011 03:29:50 - Issue 1371

Topics (messages 18372 through 18380):

TSA elections
18372 by: Ron Ralph
18373 by: Mark Alman
18375 by: ellie.thoene

Government Canyon Karst Project
18374 by: Marvin  Lisa

photos of deepest cave
18376 by: Mixon Bill

a personal message
18377 by: David
18378 by: Fritz Holt

Re: el presidente in caves in Mexico
18379 by: Joe Ranzau
18380 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

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Cavers:

 

It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas
Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election
at the Texas Caver Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any
position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a
fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.

 

Our present officers (2011) are:

President - Mark Alman

Vice-President - Ellie Watson

Secretary - Denise Prendergast

Treasurer - Michael Cicherski

 

If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be
found under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for
nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at
your earliest convenience.

 

Sincerely,

 

Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair

512.280.9468 Home

512.797.3817 Cell

August 21, 2011

 

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Thanks for the announcement, Ron, and a HUGE thanks for volunteering (after a 
lot of sucking up by yours truly!) to, yet again, head up the 
Nomination/Election Committee for the TSA.
 
Now, this is where the rest of you come in: NOMINATE SOMEONE, INCLUDING 
YOURSELVES!
 
There's a lot of talent, knowledge, and competent cavers in the Lone Star State 
who could bring a lot to the TSA.
 
As in the last few years, when we only have one candidate for each officer 
position, it tells me it could be one of the three reasons below:
 
 
1.) The officers are doing such a great job that one feels they couldn't do a 
better job. (Speaking for the Chairman position, Yeah, right!).
 
2.) The responsibilities are so intimidating that you don't want to run. (With 
the exception of Vice-Chair and Treasurer, I say, Yeah, right! Sorry, 
Denise!).
 
3.) Or, the worst reason: You don't care!
 
 
Show how much you care by nominating and/or running!
 
 
 
Beggingly (is that a word?!),
 
 
Mark
TC Editor and TSA Chairperson

From: Ron Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:34 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA elections


Cavers:
 
It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas Speleological 
Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election at the Texas Caver 
Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any position, I am asking 
your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a fine candidate. I will 
then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.
 
Our present officers (2011) are:
President – Mark Alman
Vice-President – Ellie Watson
Secretary – Denise Prendergast
Treasurer – Michael Cicherski
 
If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be found 
under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for 
nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at your 
earliest convenience.
 
Sincerely,
 
Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair
512.280.9468 Home
512.797.3817 Cell
August 21, 2011---End Message---
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I am happy to run again but sure would love to add some new faces to the
team. I encourage everyone to come out to the Texas Speleological
Association http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html (TSA) meeting on
Sunday, October 16th and see whats going on with TSA and share any good
ideas you have. If you do not want to be an elected officer, please consider
serving on a volunteer committee by sharing ideas and helping with
responsibilities. It's so much easier when we all work together.

Some volunteer committees already have excellent, active chairs
(Publications, Safety, Projects) but please give any and all volunteer
committee chair ideas to Mark Alman and he can approach them off list.

The following are non-elected committee chair:

   - Publication Committee Chair
   - Safety and Techniques Committee Chair
   - Conservation Committee Chair
   - Membership Committee Chair
   - Projects Coordinator

The TSA  can always use new members and welcomes back previous members so
please consider joining TSA http://www.cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/index.php at
this years TCR at Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson 

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[Texascavers] photos of deepest cave

2011-08-22 Thread Mixon Bill
Here are Al Warild's photos of some past expeditions to Krubera in  
Abkhasia. -- Mixon

Tengo unas fotos de otras expediciones en:
2003: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia3/index.html
2004: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia4/index.html
2005: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia5/index.html
2006: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Abkhazia6/index.html

Al.

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA elections

2011-08-22 Thread ellie.thoene
I am happy to run again but sure would love to add some new faces to the
team. I encourage everyone to come out to the Texas Speleological
Association http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html (TSA) meeting on
Sunday, October 16th and see whats going on with TSA and share any good
ideas you have. If you do not want to be an elected officer, please consider
serving on a volunteer committee by sharing ideas and helping with
responsibilities. It's so much easier when we all work together.

Some volunteer committees already have excellent, active chairs
(Publications, Safety, Projects) but please give any and all volunteer
committee chair ideas to Mark Alman and he can approach them off list.

The following are non-elected committee chair:

   - Publication Committee Chair
   - Safety and Techniques Committee Chair
   - Conservation Committee Chair
   - Membership Committee Chair
   - Projects Coordinator

The TSA  can always use new members and welcomes back previous members so
please consider joining TSA http://www.cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/index.php at
this years TCR at Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson City, TX on October 14th-16th,
2011.

See you there!

Ellie Watson, loves caving
TSA Vice Chair
Bexar Grotto-San Antonio, TX

About the TSA: http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Ron Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com wrote:

  Cavers:

 ** **

 It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas
 Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election
 at the Texas Caver Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any
 position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a
 fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.
 

 ** **

 Our present officers (2011) are:

 President – Mark Alman

 Vice-President – Ellie Watson

 Secretary – Denise Prendergast

 Treasurer – Michael Cicherski

 ** **

 If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be
 found under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for
 nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at
 your earliest convenience.

 ** **

 Sincerely,

 ** **

 Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair

 512.280.9468 Home

 512.797.3817 Cell

 August 21, 2011

 ** **



[Texascavers] a personal message

2011-08-22 Thread David
I spent over 3 months unsubcribed from CaveTex.I hope you all enjoyed that.

I had hoped to stay off for longer, but I want to volunteer to be a
driver at an
upcoming event, and I had fallen outside the loop of communication,
chain-of-command,
etc., causing unnecessary drama.

I am posting most of my rants on Google + now.I like it better
than Facebook.

So, I am trying to avoid Facebook, but it just seems to have to much
practical purpose.

For example,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavechatorg/168120223246915?sk=wall


Cheers,

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
President of NaturFest Association
Host of the 2012 East Texas Caver's Cookout
281-995-8487


P.S.

Costco has a new LED Flashlight that puts out 700 Lumens.

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RE: [Texascavers] a personal message

2011-08-22 Thread Fritz Holt
David,

It appears that Google + is contributing to the decline of our revered CaveTex 
and OT and you are helping it. Do you always have to be trying something new?

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] a personal message

I spent over 3 months unsubcribed from CaveTex.I hope you all enjoyed that.

I had hoped to stay off for longer, but I want to volunteer to be a
driver at an
upcoming event, and I had fallen outside the loop of communication,
chain-of-command,
etc., causing unnecessary drama.

I am posting most of my rants on Google + now.I like it better
than Facebook.

So, I am trying to avoid Facebook, but it just seems to have to much
practical purpose.

For example,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavechatorg/168120223246915?sk=wall


Cheers,

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
President of NaturFest Association
Host of the 2012 East Texas Caver's Cookout
281-995-8487


P.S.

Costco has a new LED Flashlight that puts out 700 Lumens.

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Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico

2011-08-22 Thread Joe Ranzau
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php

MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a
limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and over
the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's flagging
tourism industry.

The balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his country's
violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour guide in a
series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September on Public
Broadcasting 
Servicehttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Public+Broadcasting+Service%22stations
in the United States.

The president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a
rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas cavern,
accompanied by Peter
Greenberghttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Peter+Greenberg%22,
host of the The Royal
Tourhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Royal+Tour%22
TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a
sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon Indian
paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapas state.

In the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly policy
wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive against drug
cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a few weeks,
according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto
Martinezhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Roberto+Martinez%22
.

I have other duties that are more dangerous, Calderon jokes, dangling
midair in a cavern as a rope lowers him hundreds of feet to the bottom. The
site is in the Gulf coast region of Mexico known as the Huasteca, which is
covered in jungle and dotted with caverns, waterfalls and crystalline pools.

Calderon swaps the explorer hat for a helmet with a headlamp for the descent
into the Golondrinas cave, named for the huge flocks of birds that live
inside. Calderon also appears in underwater footage from the
stalactite-studded cenote in Yucatan, where he flashes the camera an OK
signal from behind his dive mask.

Analysts say the videos represent a distinct break from the solemn treatment
that has long characterized the Mexican presidency but fit in with Calderon,
who has emphasized using the media to get his message across, and who has
sought to project a forceful image.

That's always been his objective, the whole macho thing, said John
Ackermanhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22John+Ackerman%22,
of the legal research institute at Mexico's National Autonomous
Universityhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22National+Autonomous+University%22.
In 2007, soon after putting the army on the front line of his offensive
against drug cartels, Calderon departed from presidential tradition by
putting on an olive-green army jacket that was a few sizes too big for his
short frame, an image that has been widely lampooned in newspaper cartoons
ever since.

From the very beginning, using the military uniforms and saluting, it's
always been his kind of thing, Ackerman said. It doesn't quite fit with
his physical appearance.

Drawing criticism, Calderon's administration took the image-building a step
further this year by funding a privately produced television miniseries
glorifying the federal police, which was broadcast by the country's largest
network. On Friday, the navy told local news media that it is letting
private producers use navy locations to make a miniseries about the force,
but that the navy is not financing any of the production.

Calderon's message in the latest videos is that Mexico is safe for tourists.

This is part of a strategy to promote the country abroad, said Martinez.

Nobody argues that Mexico's tourism needs a boost. According to the
country's central bank, overall foreign tourism in 2010, not including
border-area visitors, was still 6.3 percent below 2008 levels, and the first
half of 2011 saw a 2 percent decline from the same period of 2010.

Cruise ship visits in the first half of the year declined 9.3 percent, after
several cruise lines canceled Pacific port calls in Mazatlan and
Puerto Vallarta.

Analysts blame the drops on the world economic downturn hitting many
countries' travel industries, but also pointed to Mexico's drug violence,
which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives since Calderon took office
in late 2006.

While foreign tourists have not been targets of the violence, a point
Calderon is eager to make, it has had some undeniable effects. For example,
the border 

Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico

2011-08-22 Thread tbsamsel


BBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php

MEXICO
 CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a 
limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and 
over the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's 
flagging tourismindustry.The
 balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his 
country's violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour 
guide in a series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September 
on Public Broadcasting Service stations in the UnitedStates.

The
 president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a 
rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas 
cavern, accompanied by Peter Greenberg, host of the "The Royal Tour"
 TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a
 sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon 
Indian paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapasstate.In
 the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly 
policy wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive 
against drug cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a
 few weeks, according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto Martinez.

"I
 have other duties that are more dangerous," Calderon jokes, dangling 
midair in a cavern as a rope lowers him hundreds of feet to the bottom. 
The site is in the Gulf coast region of Mexico known as the Huasteca, 
which is covered in jungle and dotted with caverns, waterfalls and 
crystallinepools.Calderon
 swaps the explorer hat for a helmet with a headlamp for the descent 
into the Golondrinas cave, named for the huge flocks of birds that live 
inside. Calderon also appears in underwater footage from the 
stalactite-studded cenote in Yucatan, where he flashes the camera an 
"OK" signal from behind his divemask.Analysts
 say the videos represent a distinct break from the solemn treatment 
that has long characterized the Mexican presidency but fit in with 
Calderon, who has emphasized using the media to get his message across, 
and who has sought to project a forcefulimage."That's always been his objective, the whole macho thing," said John Ackerman, of the legal research institute at Mexico's National Autonomous University.
 In 2007, soon after putting the army on the front line of his offensive
 against drug cartels, Calderon departed from presidential tradition by 
putting on an olive-green army jacket that was a few sizes too big for 
his short frame, an image that has been widely lampooned in newspaper 
cartoons eversince."From
 the very beginning, using the military uniforms and saluting, it's 
always been his kind of thing," Ackerman said. "It doesn't quite fit 
with his physicalappearance."Drawing
 criticism, Calderon's administration took the image-building a step 
further this year by funding a privately produced television miniseries 
glorifying the federal police, which was broadcast by the country's 
largest network. On Friday, the navy told local news media that it is 
letting private producers use navy locations to make a miniseries about 
the force, but that the navy is not financing any of theproduction.Calderon's message in the latest videos is that Mexico is safe fortourists."This is part of a strategy to promote the country abroad," saidMartinez.

Nobody
 argues that Mexico's tourism needs a boost. According to the country's 
central bank, overall foreign tourism in 2010, not including border-area
 visitors, was still 6.3 percent below 2008 levels, and the first half 
of 2011 saw a 2 percent decline from the same period of2010.Cruise
 ship visits in the first half of the year declined 9.3 percent, after 
several cruise lines canceled Pacific port calls in Mazatlan and 
PuertoVallarta.Analysts
 blame the drops on the world economic downturn hitting many countries' 
travel industries, but also pointed to Mexico's drug violence, which has
 claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives since Calderon took office in 
late2006.While
 foreign tourists have not been targets of the violence, a point 
Calderon is eager to make, it has had some undeniable effects. For 
example, the border highway that many U.S. visitors once used to travel 
to the Huasteca region where Calderon went cave-diving is now considered
 so plagued by highway holdups and shootings that the U.S. State 
Department has issued warnings about travelingthere.The
 Huasteca remains a beautiful and largely safe region, but most tour 
operators recommend foreigners fly to a nearby Mexican airport rather 
than drive down from theborder.Some
 argue that Calderon's stint as a television travel guide might be 
ill-advised, both because it 

texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2011 03:29:50 -0000 Issue 1371

2011-08-22 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2011 03:29:50 - Issue 1371

Topics (messages 18372 through 18380):

TSA elections
18372 by: Ron Ralph
18373 by: Mark Alman
18375 by: ellie.thoene

Government Canyon Karst Project
18374 by: Marvin  Lisa

photos of deepest cave
18376 by: Mixon Bill

a personal message
18377 by: David
18378 by: Fritz Holt

Re: el presidente in caves in Mexico
18379 by: Joe Ranzau
18380 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net

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---BeginMessage---
Cavers:

 

It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas
Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election
at the Texas Caver Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any
position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a
fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.

 

Our present officers (2011) are:

President - Mark Alman

Vice-President - Ellie Watson

Secretary - Denise Prendergast

Treasurer - Michael Cicherski

 

If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be
found under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for
nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at
your earliest convenience.

 

Sincerely,

 

Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair

512.280.9468 Home

512.797.3817 Cell

August 21, 2011

 

---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
Thanks for the announcement, Ron, and a HUGE thanks for volunteering (after a 
lot of sucking up by yours truly!) to, yet again, head up the 
Nomination/Election Committee for the TSA.
 
Now, this is where the rest of you come in: NOMINATE SOMEONE, INCLUDING 
YOURSELVES!
 
There's a lot of talent, knowledge, and competent cavers in the Lone Star State 
who could bring a lot to the TSA.
 
As in the last few years, when we only have one candidate for each officer 
position, it tells me it could be one of the three reasons below:
 
 
1.) The officers are doing such a great job that one feels they couldn't do a 
better job. (Speaking for the Chairman position, Yeah, right!).
 
2.) The responsibilities are so intimidating that you don't want to run. (With 
the exception of Vice-Chair and Treasurer, I say, Yeah, right! Sorry, 
Denise!).
 
3.) Or, the worst reason: You don't care!
 
 
Show how much you care by nominating and/or running!
 
 
 
Beggingly (is that a word?!),
 
 
Mark
TC Editor and TSA Chairperson

From: Ron Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:34 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA elections


Cavers:
 
It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas Speleological 
Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election at the Texas Caver 
Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any position, I am asking 
your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a fine candidate. I will 
then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.
 
Our present officers (2011) are:
President – Mark Alman
Vice-President – Ellie Watson
Secretary – Denise Prendergast
Treasurer – Michael Cicherski
 
If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be found 
under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for 
nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at your 
earliest convenience.
 
Sincerely,
 
Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair
512.280.9468 Home
512.797.3817 Cell
August 21, 2011---End Message---
---BeginMessage---
I am happy to run again but sure would love to add some new faces to the
team. I encourage everyone to come out to the Texas Speleological
Association http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html (TSA) meeting on
Sunday, October 16th and see whats going on with TSA and share any good
ideas you have. If you do not want to be an elected officer, please consider
serving on a volunteer committee by sharing ideas and helping with
responsibilities. It's so much easier when we all work together.

Some volunteer committees already have excellent, active chairs
(Publications, Safety, Projects) but please give any and all volunteer
committee chair ideas to Mark Alman and he can approach them off list.

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[Texascavers] photos of deepest cave

2011-08-22 Thread Mixon Bill
Here are Al Warild's photos of some past expeditions to Krubera in  
Abkhasia. -- Mixon

Tengo unas fotos de otras expediciones en:
2003: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia3/index.html
2004: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia4/index.html
2005: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia5/index.html
2006: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Abkhazia6/index.html

Al.

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA elections

2011-08-22 Thread ellie.thoene
I am happy to run again but sure would love to add some new faces to the
team. I encourage everyone to come out to the Texas Speleological
Association http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html (TSA) meeting on
Sunday, October 16th and see whats going on with TSA and share any good
ideas you have. If you do not want to be an elected officer, please consider
serving on a volunteer committee by sharing ideas and helping with
responsibilities. It's so much easier when we all work together.

Some volunteer committees already have excellent, active chairs
(Publications, Safety, Projects) but please give any and all volunteer
committee chair ideas to Mark Alman and he can approach them off list.

The following are non-elected committee chair:

   - Publication Committee Chair
   - Safety and Techniques Committee Chair
   - Conservation Committee Chair
   - Membership Committee Chair
   - Projects Coordinator

The TSA  can always use new members and welcomes back previous members so
please consider joining TSA http://www.cavetexas.org/PAYPAL/index.php at
this years TCR at Flat Creek Ranch in Johnson City, TX on October 14th-16th,
2011.

See you there!

Ellie Watson, loves caving
TSA Vice Chair
Bexar Grotto-San Antonio, TX

About the TSA: http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/about.html

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Ron Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com wrote:

  Cavers:

 ** **

 It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas
 Speleological Association needs your hat in the ring for the 2012 election
 at the Texas Caver Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any
 position, I am asking your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a
 fine candidate. I will then contact you and ask if you will run and serve.
 

 ** **

 Our present officers (2011) are:

 President – Mark Alman

 Vice-President – Ellie Watson

 Secretary – Denise Prendergast

 Treasurer – Michael Cicherski

 ** **

 If you are unsure of the duties of any position, a job description may be
 found under the Officers tab on the TSA webpage. This is the first call for
 nominations. Please respond with your thoughts on possible candidates at
 your earliest convenience.

 ** **

 Sincerely,

 ** **

 Ron Ralph, TSA Elections Committee Chair

 512.280.9468 Home

 512.797.3817 Cell

 August 21, 2011

 ** **



[Texascavers] a personal message

2011-08-22 Thread David
I spent over 3 months unsubcribed from CaveTex.I hope you all enjoyed that.

I had hoped to stay off for longer, but I want to volunteer to be a
driver at an
upcoming event, and I had fallen outside the loop of communication,
chain-of-command,
etc., causing unnecessary drama.

I am posting most of my rants on Google + now.I like it better
than Facebook.

So, I am trying to avoid Facebook, but it just seems to have to much
practical purpose.

For example,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavechatorg/168120223246915?sk=wall


Cheers,

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
President of NaturFest Association
Host of the 2012 East Texas Caver's Cookout
281-995-8487


P.S.

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RE: [Texascavers] a personal message

2011-08-22 Thread Fritz Holt
David,

It appears that Google + is contributing to the decline of our revered CaveTex 
and OT and you are helping it. Do you always have to be trying something new?

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:03 PM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] a personal message

I spent over 3 months unsubcribed from CaveTex.I hope you all enjoyed that.

I had hoped to stay off for longer, but I want to volunteer to be a
driver at an
upcoming event, and I had fallen outside the loop of communication,
chain-of-command,
etc., causing unnecessary drama.

I am posting most of my rants on Google + now.I like it better
than Facebook.

So, I am trying to avoid Facebook, but it just seems to have to much
practical purpose.

For example,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cavechatorg/168120223246915?sk=wall


Cheers,

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County
President of NaturFest Association
Host of the 2012 East Texas Caver's Cookout
281-995-8487


P.S.

Costco has a new LED Flashlight that puts out 700 Lumens.

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Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico

2011-08-22 Thread Joe Ranzau
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php

MEXICO CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a
limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and over
the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's flagging
tourism industry.

The balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his country's
violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour guide in a
series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September on Public
Broadcasting 
Servicehttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Public+Broadcasting+Service%22stations
in the United States.

The president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a
rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas cavern,
accompanied by Peter
Greenberghttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Peter+Greenberg%22,
host of the The Royal
Tourhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Royal+Tour%22
TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a
sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon Indian
paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapas state.

In the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly policy
wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive against drug
cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a few weeks,
according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto
Martinezhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22Roberto+Martinez%22
.

I have other duties that are more dangerous, Calderon jokes, dangling
midair in a cavern as a rope lowers him hundreds of feet to the bottom. The
site is in the Gulf coast region of Mexico known as the Huasteca, which is
covered in jungle and dotted with caverns, waterfalls and crystalline pools.

Calderon swaps the explorer hat for a helmet with a headlamp for the descent
into the Golondrinas cave, named for the huge flocks of birds that live
inside. Calderon also appears in underwater footage from the
stalactite-studded cenote in Yucatan, where he flashes the camera an OK
signal from behind his dive mask.

Analysts say the videos represent a distinct break from the solemn treatment
that has long characterized the Mexican presidency but fit in with Calderon,
who has emphasized using the media to get his message across, and who has
sought to project a forceful image.

That's always been his objective, the whole macho thing, said John
Ackermanhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22John+Ackerman%22,
of the legal research institute at Mexico's National Autonomous
Universityhttp://www.mysanantonio.com/?controllerName=searchaction=searchchannel=newssearch=1inlineLink=1query=%22National+Autonomous+University%22.
In 2007, soon after putting the army on the front line of his offensive
against drug cartels, Calderon departed from presidential tradition by
putting on an olive-green army jacket that was a few sizes too big for his
short frame, an image that has been widely lampooned in newspaper cartoons
ever since.

From the very beginning, using the military uniforms and saluting, it's
always been his kind of thing, Ackerman said. It doesn't quite fit with
his physical appearance.

Drawing criticism, Calderon's administration took the image-building a step
further this year by funding a privately produced television miniseries
glorifying the federal police, which was broadcast by the country's largest
network. On Friday, the navy told local news media that it is letting
private producers use navy locations to make a miniseries about the force,
but that the navy is not financing any of the production.

Calderon's message in the latest videos is that Mexico is safe for tourists.

This is part of a strategy to promote the country abroad, said Martinez.

Nobody argues that Mexico's tourism needs a boost. According to the
country's central bank, overall foreign tourism in 2010, not including
border-area visitors, was still 6.3 percent below 2008 levels, and the first
half of 2011 saw a 2 percent decline from the same period of 2010.

Cruise ship visits in the first half of the year declined 9.3 percent, after
several cruise lines canceled Pacific port calls in Mazatlan and
Puerto Vallarta.

Analysts blame the drops on the world economic downturn hitting many
countries' travel industries, but also pointed to Mexico's drug violence,
which has claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives since Calderon took office
in late 2006.

While foreign tourists have not been targets of the violence, a point
Calderon is eager to make, it has had some undeniable effects. For example,
the border 

Re: Re: [Texascavers] el presidente in caves in Mexico

2011-08-22 Thread tbsamsel


BBCs TOP GEAR slagged Mexico last season (caused a bit of a diplomatic stir). But Jeremy Clarkson is Tory scum from the gitgo.TAug 22, 2011 05:10:12 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Mexico-s-president-becomes-TV-adventure-guide-2132889.php

MEXICO
 CITY (AP) — President Felipe Calderon is figuratively going out on a 
limb — and literally down a sinkhole, up a river (with a paddle) and 
over the top of a few pyramids — in an attempt to boost Mexico's 
flagging tourismindustry.The
 balding, 49-year-old leader is personally trying to change his 
country's violent reputation by appearing as a sort of adventure tour 
guide in a series of TV programs to be broadcast starting in September 
on Public Broadcasting Service stations in the UnitedStates.

The
 president dons an Indiana Jones-style hat and a harness and descends a 
rope into the 1,000-foot-deep (375-meter) Sotano de las Golondrinas 
cavern, accompanied by Peter Greenberg, host of the "The Royal Tour"
 TV series. Calderon also straps on scuba tanks to lead Greenberg into a
 sinkhole lake known as a cenote in Yucatan. And he helps a Lacandon 
Indian paddle a boat down a river in a jungle in southern Chiapasstate.In
 the 30-minute videos, Calderon breaks from his image as a lawyerly 
policy wonk best known for launching a bloody, controversial offensive 
against drug cartels. He plans to attend a premiere of the show within a
 few weeks, according to Tourism Department spokesman Roberto Martinez.

"I
 have other duties that are more dangerous," Calderon jokes, dangling 
midair in a cavern as a rope lowers him hundreds of feet to the bottom. 
The site is in the Gulf coast region of Mexico known as the Huasteca, 
which is covered in jungle and dotted with caverns, waterfalls and 
crystallinepools.Calderon
 swaps the explorer hat for a helmet with a headlamp for the descent 
into the Golondrinas cave, named for the huge flocks of birds that live 
inside. Calderon also appears in underwater footage from the 
stalactite-studded cenote in Yucatan, where he flashes the camera an 
"OK" signal from behind his divemask.Analysts
 say the videos represent a distinct break from the solemn treatment 
that has long characterized the Mexican presidency but fit in with 
Calderon, who has emphasized using the media to get his message across, 
and who has sought to project a forcefulimage."That's always been his objective, the whole macho thing," said John Ackerman, of the legal research institute at Mexico's National Autonomous University.
 In 2007, soon after putting the army on the front line of his offensive
 against drug cartels, Calderon departed from presidential tradition by 
putting on an olive-green army jacket that was a few sizes too big for 
his short frame, an image that has been widely lampooned in newspaper 
cartoons eversince."From
 the very beginning, using the military uniforms and saluting, it's 
always been his kind of thing," Ackerman said. "It doesn't quite fit 
with his physicalappearance."Drawing
 criticism, Calderon's administration took the image-building a step 
further this year by funding a privately produced television miniseries 
glorifying the federal police, which was broadcast by the country's 
largest network. On Friday, the navy told local news media that it is 
letting private producers use navy locations to make a miniseries about 
the force, but that the navy is not financing any of theproduction.Calderon's message in the latest videos is that Mexico is safe fortourists."This is part of a strategy to promote the country abroad," saidMartinez.

Nobody
 argues that Mexico's tourism needs a boost. According to the country's 
central bank, overall foreign tourism in 2010, not including border-area
 visitors, was still 6.3 percent below 2008 levels, and the first half 
of 2011 saw a 2 percent decline from the same period of2010.Cruise
 ship visits in the first half of the year declined 9.3 percent, after 
several cruise lines canceled Pacific port calls in Mazatlan and 
PuertoVallarta.Analysts
 blame the drops on the world economic downturn hitting many countries' 
travel industries, but also pointed to Mexico's drug violence, which has
 claimed between 35,000 and 40,000 lives since Calderon took office in 
late2006.While
 foreign tourists have not been targets of the violence, a point 
Calderon is eager to make, it has had some undeniable effects. For 
example, the border highway that many U.S. visitors once used to travel 
to the Huasteca region where Calderon went cave-diving is now considered
 so plagued by highway holdups and shootings that the U.S. State 
Department has issued warnings about travelingthere.The
 Huasteca remains a beautiful and largely safe region, but most tour 
operators recommend foreigners fly to a nearby Mexican airport rather 
than drive down from theborder.Some
 argue that Calderon's stint as a television travel guide might be 
ill-advised, both because it 

texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2011 03:29:50 -0000 Issue 1371

2011-08-22 Thread texascavers-digest-help

texascavers Digest 23 Aug 2011 03:29:50 - Issue 1371

Topics (messages 18372 through 18380):

TSA elections
18372 by: Ron Ralph
18373 by: Mark Alman
18375 by: ellie.thoene

Government Canyon Karst Project
18374 by: Marvin  Lisa

photos of deepest cave
18376 by: Mixon Bill

a personal message
18377 by: David
18378 by: Fritz Holt

Re: el presidente in caves in Mexico
18379 by: Joe Ranzau
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Thanks for the announcement, Ron, and a HUGE thanks for volunteering (after a 
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Cavers:
 
It is once again time to consider running for office. The Texas Speleological 
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Reunion. Knowing your reluctance to volunteer for any position, I am asking 
your friends (ha!) to suggest to me that you will be a fine candidate. I will 
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I am happy to run again but sure would love to add some new faces to the
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[Texascavers] photos of deepest cave

2011-08-22 Thread Mixon Bill
Here are Al Warild's photos of some past expeditions to Krubera in  
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Tengo unas fotos de otras expediciones en:
2003: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia3/index.html
2004: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia4/index.html
2005: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Voronia5/index.html
2006: http://home.exetel.com.au/alw/Abkhazia6/index.html

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