Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Nico Escamilla]

Driving through Tamaulipas is quite a gamble Ernesto, glad you made it ok.

Nico

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Sandi Calhoun wrote:

> After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe,
> Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of
> mind if nothing else.
>
> Gatita
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> > Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not
> even consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said
> please understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from
> the Texas valley to T.J.
> >
> >  There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road
> to try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap
> people on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a
> problem with truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take
> it.
> >
> > In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa
> and Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican
> Marines for control of the cities.
> >
> > In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where
> the trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette.
> >
> > Bruce
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ernest Garza 
> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26
> > To: texascavers
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
> > Mexico Lovers,
> >For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came
> down on my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> > I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on
> toll roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is
> > a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing
> Mexico City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one
> > hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the
> eastern side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> > of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
> >There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from
> Ohio and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without
> > incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the
> way back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual
> > for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There
> > are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica,
> but not Tampico.
> >Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a
> highway that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a
> > creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At
> the intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> > and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the
> drive up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> > set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed
> up, the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side
> > and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of
> > thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> > the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up
> > to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed
> to the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told
> > him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told
> him I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked
> > inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the
> Huautla topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and
> > all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I
> asked why they had closed the station, and he answered that it
> > was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip
> and extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> > “well done.”
> >Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint,
> I pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A
> > young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> > soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived
> soldier, a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> > I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when
> he said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> > Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the
> finest river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
> >At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did
> > not even bother to insp

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Nico Escamilla]

Driving through Tamaulipas is quite a gamble Ernesto, glad you made it ok.

Nico

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Sandi Calhoun wrote:

> After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe,
> Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of
> mind if nothing else.
>
> Gatita
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> > Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not
> even consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said
> please understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from
> the Texas valley to T.J.
> >
> >  There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road
> to try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap
> people on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a
> problem with truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take
> it.
> >
> > In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa
> and Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican
> Marines for control of the cities.
> >
> > In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where
> the trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette.
> >
> > Bruce
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ernest Garza 
> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26
> > To: texascavers
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
> > Mexico Lovers,
> >For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came
> down on my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> > I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on
> toll roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is
> > a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing
> Mexico City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one
> > hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the
> eastern side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> > of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
> >There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from
> Ohio and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without
> > incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the
> way back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual
> > for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There
> > are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica,
> but not Tampico.
> >Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a
> highway that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a
> > creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At
> the intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> > and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the
> drive up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> > set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed
> up, the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side
> > and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of
> > thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> > the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up
> > to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed
> to the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told
> > him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told
> him I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked
> > inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the
> Huautla topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and
> > all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I
> asked why they had closed the station, and he answered that it
> > was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip
> and extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> > “well done.”
> >Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint,
> I pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A
> > young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> > soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived
> soldier, a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> > I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when
> he said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> > Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the
> finest river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
> >At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did
> > not even bother to insp

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Nico Escamilla]

Driving through Tamaulipas is quite a gamble Ernesto, glad you made it ok.

Nico

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Sandi Calhoun wrote:

> After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe,
> Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of
> mind if nothing else.
>
> Gatita
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> > Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not
> even consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said
> please understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from
> the Texas valley to T.J.
> >
> >  There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road
> to try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap
> people on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a
> problem with truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take
> it.
> >
> > In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa
> and Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican
> Marines for control of the cities.
> >
> > In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where
> the trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette.
> >
> > Bruce
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ernest Garza 
> > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26
> > To: texascavers
> > Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
> > Mexico Lovers,
> >For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came
> down on my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> > I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on
> toll roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is
> > a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing
> Mexico City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one
> > hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the
> eastern side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> > of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
> >There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from
> Ohio and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without
> > incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the
> way back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual
> > for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There
> > are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica,
> but not Tampico.
> >Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a
> highway that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a
> > creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At
> the intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> > and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the
> drive up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> > set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed
> up, the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side
> > and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of
> > thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> > the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up
> > to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed
> to the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told
> > him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told
> him I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked
> > inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the
> Huautla topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and
> > all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I
> asked why they had closed the station, and he answered that it
> > was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip
> and extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> > “well done.”
> >Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint,
> I pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A
> > young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> > soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived
> soldier, a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> > I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when
> he said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> > Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the
> finest river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
> >At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did
> > not even bother to insp

texascavers Digest 3 Feb 2012 04:02:17 -0000 Issue 1489

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texascavers Digest 3 Feb 2012 04:02:17 - Issue 1489

Topics (messages 19463 through 19474):

Mexico trip
19463 by: Ernest Garza
19465 by: Don Arburn
19466 by: Fritz Holt
19469 by: brewskyjba.gmail.com
19471 by: Sandi Calhoun

Sleaze surfaces (slowly and cautiously)
19464 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net

Sten light.
19467 by: galenfalg...@yahoo.com
19468 by: Don Arburn
19470 by: galenfalg...@yahoo.com

Espeleo Quintana Roo
19472 by: Mixon Bill

Candidate for NSS Director
19473 by: R D Milhollin

OT -- help wanted
19474 by: Jim Kennedy

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--
--- Begin Message ---
Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side 

texascavers Digest 3 Feb 2012 04:02:17 -0000 Issue 1489

[texascavers-digest-help]

texascavers Digest 3 Feb 2012 04:02:17 - Issue 1489

Topics (messages 19463 through 19474):

Mexico trip
19463 by: Ernest Garza
19465 by: Don Arburn
19466 by: Fritz Holt
19469 by: brewskyjba.gmail.com
19471 by: Sandi Calhoun

Sleaze surfaces (slowly and cautiously)
19464 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net

Sten light.
19467 by: galenfalg...@yahoo.com
19468 by: Don Arburn
19470 by: galenfalg...@yahoo.com

Espeleo Quintana Roo
19472 by: Mixon Bill

Candidate for NSS Director
19473 by: R D Milhollin

OT -- help wanted
19474 by: Jim Kennedy

Administrivia:

To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:


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--
--- Begin Message ---
Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side 

texascavers Digest 3 Feb 2012 04:02:17 -0000 Issue 1489

[texascavers-digest-help]

texascavers Digest 3 Feb 2012 04:02:17 - Issue 1489

Topics (messages 19463 through 19474):

Mexico trip
19463 by: Ernest Garza
19465 by: Don Arburn
19466 by: Fritz Holt
19469 by: brewskyjba.gmail.com
19471 by: Sandi Calhoun

Sleaze surfaces (slowly and cautiously)
19464 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net

Sten light.
19467 by: galenfalg...@yahoo.com
19468 by: Don Arburn
19470 by: galenfalg...@yahoo.com

Espeleo Quintana Roo
19472 by: Mixon Bill

Candidate for NSS Director
19473 by: R D Milhollin

OT -- help wanted
19474 by: Jim Kennedy

Administrivia:

To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:


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--
--- Begin Message ---
Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side 

[Texascavers] OT -- help wanted

[Jim Kennedy]

If anyone in the Austin area is available Saturday from about 9:30 until
dark, and/or Sunday until mid afternoon (ending well before Dale and
Denise's superbowl party), I could use some assistance at my new house.
I'm still trying to clean and remodel and hopefully get moved in before
too long so I don't have to keep paying for two places.  I will be doing
some plumbing, but there are also outbuildings to be emptied, pressure
washing to do, painting, stump removal, pruning, brush hauling, plants
to move, and probably a bunch more stuff I can't even think of right
now.  I can haul the grill over and make up some burgers and dogs for
volunteers if desired.  A few folks already told me last night at the
grotto meeting that they would come over and help, and I greatly
appreciate that support.  Let me know if you think you might be there so
I have some idea how much food and other supplies I might need.  If it
is pouring rain, that will severely limit the work possibilities, and
therefore the number of people needed.   I thank you all in advance, and
apologize to those of you on this list whom I might have offended with
this posting.

 

-- Jim

512-663-2287

[Texascavers] OT -- help wanted

[Jim Kennedy]

If anyone in the Austin area is available Saturday from about 9:30 until
dark, and/or Sunday until mid afternoon (ending well before Dale and
Denise's superbowl party), I could use some assistance at my new house.
I'm still trying to clean and remodel and hopefully get moved in before
too long so I don't have to keep paying for two places.  I will be doing
some plumbing, but there are also outbuildings to be emptied, pressure
washing to do, painting, stump removal, pruning, brush hauling, plants
to move, and probably a bunch more stuff I can't even think of right
now.  I can haul the grill over and make up some burgers and dogs for
volunteers if desired.  A few folks already told me last night at the
grotto meeting that they would come over and help, and I greatly
appreciate that support.  Let me know if you think you might be there so
I have some idea how much food and other supplies I might need.  If it
is pouring rain, that will severely limit the work possibilities, and
therefore the number of people needed.   I thank you all in advance, and
apologize to those of you on this list whom I might have offended with
this posting.

 

-- Jim

512-663-2287

[Texascavers] OT -- help wanted

[Jim Kennedy]

If anyone in the Austin area is available Saturday from about 9:30 until
dark, and/or Sunday until mid afternoon (ending well before Dale and
Denise's superbowl party), I could use some assistance at my new house.
I'm still trying to clean and remodel and hopefully get moved in before
too long so I don't have to keep paying for two places.  I will be doing
some plumbing, but there are also outbuildings to be emptied, pressure
washing to do, painting, stump removal, pruning, brush hauling, plants
to move, and probably a bunch more stuff I can't even think of right
now.  I can haul the grill over and make up some burgers and dogs for
volunteers if desired.  A few folks already told me last night at the
grotto meeting that they would come over and help, and I greatly
appreciate that support.  Let me know if you think you might be there so
I have some idea how much food and other supplies I might need.  If it
is pouring rain, that will severely limit the work possibilities, and
therefore the number of people needed.   I thank you all in advance, and
apologize to those of you on this list whom I might have offended with
this posting.

 

-- Jim

512-663-2287

[Texascavers] Candidate for NSS Director

[R D Milhollin]

Texas Cavers,


I have made the decision to run for NSS director. The draft bio and platform 
are attached, any suggestions for improvement appreciated as this week is set 
aside for edits prior to publishing. I would appreciate your vote, and I will 
do what I can if elected to make the NSS even more of a strong voice for the 
concerns of cavers and caving.

RD Milhollin NSS 29962


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[Texascavers] Candidate for NSS Director

[R D Milhollin]

Texas Cavers,


I have made the decision to run for NSS director. The draft bio and platform 
are attached, any suggestions for improvement appreciated as this week is set 
aside for edits prior to publishing. I would appreciate your vote, and I will 
do what I can if elected to make the NSS even more of a strong voice for the 
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[Texascavers] Candidate for NSS Director

[R D Milhollin]

Texas Cavers,


I have made the decision to run for NSS director. The draft bio and platform 
are attached, any suggestions for improvement appreciated as this week is set 
aside for edits prior to publishing. I would appreciate your vote, and I will 
do what I can if elected to make the NSS even more of a strong voice for the 
concerns of cavers and caving.

RD Milhollin NSS 29962


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[Texascavers] Espeleo Quintana Roo

[Mixon Bill]

Monica Ponce reports that info on the coming Espeleo Quintana Roo in  
late may is at


http://sites.google.com/site/espeleozots/todo-sobre-el-congreso-1

and

http://espeleoquintanaroo2012.orgmx.net

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[Texascavers] Espeleo Quintana Roo

[Mixon Bill]

Monica Ponce reports that info on the coming Espeleo Quintana Roo in  
late may is at


http://sites.google.com/site/espeleozots/todo-sobre-el-congreso-1

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http://espeleoquintanaroo2012.orgmx.net

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[Texascavers] Espeleo Quintana Roo

[Mixon Bill]

Monica Ponce reports that info on the coming Espeleo Quintana Roo in  
late may is at


http://sites.google.com/site/espeleozots/todo-sobre-el-congreso-1

and

http://espeleoquintanaroo2012.orgmx.net

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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Sandi Calhoun]

After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe,
Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of
mind if nothing else.

Gatita

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even 
> consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please 
> understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the 
> Texas valley to T.J.
>
>  There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to 
> try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people 
> on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with 
> truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it.
>
> In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and 
> Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines 
> for control of the cities.
>
> In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the 
> trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette.
>
> Bruce
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ernest Garza 
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26
> To: texascavers
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
> Mexico Lovers,
>    For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>    There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>    Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> “well done.”
>    Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>    At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
>
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
> -
> Visit our website: http://

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Sandi Calhoun]

After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe,
Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of
mind if nothing else.

Gatita

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even 
> consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please 
> understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the 
> Texas valley to T.J.
>
>  There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to 
> try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people 
> on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with 
> truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it.
>
> In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and 
> Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines 
> for control of the cities.
>
> In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the 
> trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette.
>
> Bruce
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ernest Garza 
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26
> To: texascavers
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
> Mexico Lovers,
>    For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>    There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>    Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> “well done.”
>    Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>    At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
>
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
> -
> Visit our website: http://

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Sandi Calhoun]

After reading Bruce's email I am extra glad you made it back safe,
Ernie! Maybe you should consider flying next time? For my piece of
mind if nothing else.

Gatita

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:37 PM,   wrote:
> Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even 
> consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please 
> understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the 
> Texas valley to T.J.
>
>  There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to 
> try and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people 
> on this road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with 
> truck jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it.
>
> In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and 
> Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines 
> for control of the cities.
>
> In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the 
> trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette.
>
> Bruce
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ernest Garza 
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26
> To: texascavers
> Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
> Mexico Lovers,
>    For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>    There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>    Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> “well done.”
>    Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>    At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
>
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
> -
> Visit our website: http://

[Texascavers] Sten light.

[galenfalg...@yahoo.com]

Is anyone selling a used sten light? If u read the cbsp trip report then u 
heard I lost a sten light. Which did not even belong to me, and i need to 
replace it. All I'm looking for is the head unit itself. If anyone has one that 
is not getting use and can be parted with let me know. Or if u know the 
cheapest place to buy one contact me off list please.

  Thanks
Galen P. Falgout

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

[Texascavers] Sten light.

[galenfalg...@yahoo.com]

Is anyone selling a used sten light? If u read the cbsp trip report then u 
heard I lost a sten light. Which did not even belong to me, and i need to 
replace it. All I'm looking for is the head unit itself. If anyone has one that 
is not getting use and can be parted with let me know. Or if u know the 
cheapest place to buy one contact me off list please.

  Thanks
Galen P. Falgout

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

[Texascavers] Sten light.

[galenfalg...@yahoo.com]

Is anyone selling a used sten light? If u read the cbsp trip report then u 
heard I lost a sten light. Which did not even belong to me, and i need to 
replace it. All I'm looking for is the head unit itself. If anyone has one that 
is not getting use and can be parted with let me know. Or if u know the 
cheapest place to buy one contact me off list please.

  Thanks
Galen P. Falgout

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[brewskyjba]

Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even 
consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please 
understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the Texas 
valley to T.J.

 There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to try 
and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people on this 
road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with truck 
jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it. 

In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and 
Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines for 
control of the cities. 

In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the 
trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette. 

Bruce
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-Original Message-
From: Ernest Garza 
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26 
To: texascavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[brewskyjba]

Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even 
consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please 
understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the Texas 
valley to T.J.

 There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to try 
and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people on this 
road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with truck 
jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it. 

In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and 
Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines for 
control of the cities. 

In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the 
trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette. 

Bruce
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-Original Message-
From: Ernest Garza 
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26 
To: texascavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[brewskyjba]

Consider yourself very lucky. I live here in McAllen and I would not even 
consider driving the road between here and Tampico. This being said please 
understand I am still doing business in all of the border towns from the Texas 
valley to T.J.

 There is a reason for what you saw. The Zeta's currently use this road to try 
and come in and takeover Matamoros and Reynosa. They also kidnap people on this 
road to work for them or they kill them. There is also a problem with truck 
jackings on this road. If they want the truck they take it. 

In the past couple of weeks there have been major gun battles in Reynosa and 
Matamoros between the Zeta's, Gulf Cartel, Mexican Army and Mexican Marines for 
control of the cities. 

In the cities it is the luck of the draw as to where you are and where the 
trouble is. The highway to Tampico is like playing Russian Roulette. 

Bruce
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-Original Message-
From: Ernest Garza 
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 17:08:26 
To: texascavers
Subject: [Texascavers] Mexico trip
Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G
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Huh?

Sent cellularly.
-Don

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> 
> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
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[DON ARBURN]

Huh?

Sent cellularly.
-Don

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> 
> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
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Re: [Texascavers] Sten light.

[DON ARBURN]

Huh?

Sent cellularly.
-Don

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> 
> 
> Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!
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[Texascavers] Sten light.

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RE: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Fritz Holt]

I couldn't locate Ernie's e-mail address but I thoroughly enjoyed his report on 
his journey home. I'm sure he had a few uneasy moments on his familiar 
(preferred) route back. Sounds as if he kept a cool head and it served him 
well. We're glad he enjoyed the trip and made it home safely. I hope I get to 
meet Ernie at the Boerne convention.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:43 PM
To: Cavers TSA
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There 
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don't use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, "full of caves." I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> "well done." 
>Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I've been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
> 
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
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RE: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Fritz Holt]

I couldn't locate Ernie's e-mail address but I thoroughly enjoyed his report on 
his journey home. I'm sure he had a few uneasy moments on his familiar 
(preferred) route back. Sounds as if he kept a cool head and it served him 
well. We're glad he enjoyed the trip and made it home safely. I hope I get to 
meet Ernie at the Boerne convention.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:43 PM
To: Cavers TSA
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There 
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don't use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, "full of caves." I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> "well done." 
>Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I've been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
> 
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
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RE: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Fritz Holt]

I couldn't locate Ernie's e-mail address but I thoroughly enjoyed his report on 
his journey home. I'm sure he had a few uneasy moments on his familiar 
(preferred) route back. Sounds as if he kept a cool head and it served him 
well. We're glad he enjoyed the trip and made it home safely. I hope I get to 
meet Ernie at the Boerne convention.

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn [mailto:donarb...@mac.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:43 PM
To: Cavers TSA
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There 
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don't use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, "full of caves." I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> "well done." 
>Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I've been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
> 
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Don Arburn]

You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There 
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> “well done.” 
>Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
> 
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Don Arburn]

You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There 
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> “well done.” 
>Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
> 
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Don Arburn]

You rock Ernie! Welcome home.

On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Ernest Garza wrote:

> Mexico Lovers, 
>For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
> my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
> I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
> roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
> a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico 
> City and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
> hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern 
> side of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
> of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
>There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio 
> and a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
> incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way 
> back I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
> for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving 
> trucks, and driving only during daylight hours. There 
> are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but 
> not Tampico.
>Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
> that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
> creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
> intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
> and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive 
> up to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
> set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
> the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
> and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage 
> around. Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
> thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
> attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
> the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
> menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
> to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to 
> the hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
> him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him 
> I don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
> inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla 
> topo quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
> all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked 
> why they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
> was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
> extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
> “well done.” 
>Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
> pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
> young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how 
> expensive the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
> soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, 
> a dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
> I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he 
> said he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
> Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
> river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
>At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my 
> debit card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
> not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first 
> Whataburger and feasted on one.
> 
> Travel safe,
> Ernie G
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[dirtdoc]

OK -we can stop the lottery:  Following forwarded from the Sleaze--- 



By: Bruce Morgan (Gainesville, Florida) 
bmorgan...@aol.com 







The answer is number 4. I caught hemorrhagic dengue in central Laos. It 
manifested shortly after I got to Thailand and was camping in a horrible 
hellhole that was once paradise named Railay. My only regret was that I 
didn't kill the Thai rasta who insisted on playing techno music at 
midnight deep in the jungle while I lay shivering in my sweat soaked 
tent. I fled to Krabi and spent the next 13 daze in and out of the 
hospital. It was horrible, intense bone breaking pain at all times, 
crushing headaches, and ten hour cycles of hyperspazmodic shivering 
followed by spikes of 104 plus. There was no let up. My blood platelet 
count was so low that my wonderful Muslim doctor was afraid I would 
bleed out like an ebola victim. Ann (my personal angel!) was afraid I 
would go into shock and have a heart attack or alternatively get 
encephalitis and become a permanent vegetable. After I made a slight 
improvement we headed to Khao Sok so I could at least die in paradise. I 
did manage to take a few hikes but was prostrate most of the time. While 
there a freshwater puffer fish tried to bite my toe off. I am now in 
Bangkok and am still feverish and exhausted but will head home tomorrow. 
While in Thailand no snakes were caught, no caves were explored, and 
only the most minimal jungle was explored. The rest of the time I was 
laying flat, just like I intend to do in the next five minutes. I 
contented myself with watching the flying lizards in Khao Sok and 
feeding body parts to the fish. At least I had some fine adventures in 
Laos.here I visited many caves, caught one snake, and explored some 
virgin forest. 

SW 

[Texascavers] Sleaze surfaces (slowly and cautiously)

[dirtdoc]

OK -we can stop the lottery:  Following forwarded from the Sleaze--- 



By: Bruce Morgan (Gainesville, Florida) 
bmorgan...@aol.com 







The answer is number 4. I caught hemorrhagic dengue in central Laos. It 
manifested shortly after I got to Thailand and was camping in a horrible 
hellhole that was once paradise named Railay. My only regret was that I 
didn't kill the Thai rasta who insisted on playing techno music at 
midnight deep in the jungle while I lay shivering in my sweat soaked 
tent. I fled to Krabi and spent the next 13 daze in and out of the 
hospital. It was horrible, intense bone breaking pain at all times, 
crushing headaches, and ten hour cycles of hyperspazmodic shivering 
followed by spikes of 104 plus. There was no let up. My blood platelet 
count was so low that my wonderful Muslim doctor was afraid I would 
bleed out like an ebola victim. Ann (my personal angel!) was afraid I 
would go into shock and have a heart attack or alternatively get 
encephalitis and become a permanent vegetable. After I made a slight 
improvement we headed to Khao Sok so I could at least die in paradise. I 
did manage to take a few hikes but was prostrate most of the time. While 
there a freshwater puffer fish tried to bite my toe off. I am now in 
Bangkok and am still feverish and exhausted but will head home tomorrow. 
While in Thailand no snakes were caught, no caves were explored, and 
only the most minimal jungle was explored. The rest of the time I was 
laying flat, just like I intend to do in the next five minutes. I 
contented myself with watching the flying lizards in Khao Sok and 
feeding body parts to the fish. At least I had some fine adventures in 
Laos.here I visited many caves, caught one snake, and explored some 
virgin forest. 

SW 

[Texascavers] Sleaze surfaces (slowly and cautiously)

[dirtdoc]

OK -we can stop the lottery:  Following forwarded from the Sleaze--- 



By: Bruce Morgan (Gainesville, Florida) 
bmorgan...@aol.com 







The answer is number 4. I caught hemorrhagic dengue in central Laos. It 
manifested shortly after I got to Thailand and was camping in a horrible 
hellhole that was once paradise named Railay. My only regret was that I 
didn't kill the Thai rasta who insisted on playing techno music at 
midnight deep in the jungle while I lay shivering in my sweat soaked 
tent. I fled to Krabi and spent the next 13 daze in and out of the 
hospital. It was horrible, intense bone breaking pain at all times, 
crushing headaches, and ten hour cycles of hyperspazmodic shivering 
followed by spikes of 104 plus. There was no let up. My blood platelet 
count was so low that my wonderful Muslim doctor was afraid I would 
bleed out like an ebola victim. Ann (my personal angel!) was afraid I 
would go into shock and have a heart attack or alternatively get 
encephalitis and become a permanent vegetable. After I made a slight 
improvement we headed to Khao Sok so I could at least die in paradise. I 
did manage to take a few hikes but was prostrate most of the time. While 
there a freshwater puffer fish tried to bite my toe off. I am now in 
Bangkok and am still feverish and exhausted but will head home tomorrow. 
While in Thailand no snakes were caught, no caves were explored, and 
only the most minimal jungle was explored. The rest of the time I was 
laying flat, just like I intend to do in the next five minutes. I 
contented myself with watching the flying lizards in Khao Sok and 
feeding body parts to the fish. At least I had some fine adventures in 
Laos.here I visited many caves, caught one snake, and explored some 
virgin forest. 

SW 

[Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Ernest Garza]

Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G
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[Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Ernest Garza]

Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G
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[Texascavers] Mexico trip

[Ernest Garza]

Mexico Lovers, 
For those concerned about traveling in Mexico, here is how it came down on 
my trip to the Sierra Mazateca in Oaxaca.
I crossed at Laredo, paid my $200 deposit on my vehicle, and traveled on toll 
roads all the way to near Tehuacan. There is 
a new road that goes from near Queretaro, going east and bypassing Mexico City 
and Puebla, at a costly 275 pesos. Not one 
hint of trouble all the way to Huautla and on to La Carlota on the eastern side 
of the sierra. I was hauling ropes for a British recon
of Sotano de San Agustin, so this seemed the safest.
There were two other vehicles that made it to La Carlota, one from Ohio and 
a van full of cavers from Colorado, all without 
incident. All other personnel flew to Oaxaca City or Vera Cruz. On the way back 
I chose to run the gaunlet and take the usual 
for me, the Gulf coast roads. It meant countless topes and slow moving trucks, 
and driving only during daylight hours. There 
are now roads that bypass the towns of Papantla, Tuxpan and Posa Rica, but not 
Tampico.
Driving north, before the Reynosa/Matamoros division, there is a highway 
that goes to Tampico, which I took last year; a 
creepy experience as I was the only one on the road for many miles. At the 
intersection, there  is a major PEMEX gas station,
and I headed for it intent on relieving my bladder. I turned into the drive up 
to it and seemed as if I had stumbled into a Hollywood
set. The whole place was empty of cars or people, the snack store closed up, 
the rest rooms shuttered. I went off to the side 
and watered the grass, then opened up the back of the truck to rummage around. 
Suddenly, as if they had materialized out of 
thin air, I saw these camouflaged soldiers walking around, paying more 
attention to the permitter of where I was. Then I saw
the two personnel carriers, armed with  heavy caliber weapons, driven by 
menacing looking young men. The leader came up 
to me: he was straight out of central casting, with a swagger and armed to the 
hilt. He asked me  what my purpose was, I told 
him about going caving in Oaxaca. He asked about drugs (mota) and I told him I 
don’t use now, perhaps in my youth. He looked 
inside the truck and found a rolled up map which he unrolled, the Huautla topo 
quadrant. I pointed to where we had been, and 
all that vast jungle area without roads or trails, “full of caves.” I asked why 
they had closed the station, and he answered that it 
was now a very dangerous area. Satisfied, he said I could resume my trip and 
extended a hand, which I shook and said to him,
“well done.” 
Just a couple of miles down the road, a regular military checkpoint, I 
pulled off the road into a deep pothole-ridden area. A 
young guy asks the usual, wants to see inside the truck, he asks how expensive 
the caving gear is. As I close the back, another
soldier joins him and is told that I went caving. The newly arrived soldier, a 
dark complected fellow asks me if I’ve been to Puebla.
I reply I have been to Cuetzalen. I could not contain my surprise when he said 
he was from there, and he mentioned the cave,
Chicicasepan. I told him I had been in it and considered it one of the finest 
river caves anywhere! With that I got a pass to go.
At the border, I was almost out of gas and money, due to a loss of my debit 
card. With the $200 deposit in my wallet-they did 
not even bother to inspect me at the US side-I headed for the first Whataburger 
and feasted on one.

Travel safe,
Ernie G
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Re: January CBSP Project report
19461 by: Will Quast
19462 by: germanyj.aol.com

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I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is
at http://goo.gl/m4kkz .

William Quast


On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone take any pix, by chance?
>
> ** **
>
> Send ‘em my way for the *TEXAS CAVER, *if you would.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanx!
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
>
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!**
> **
>
> -- Jim
>
> *Project date:*   13–15 January 2012
>
> *Reported by:*Jim Kennedy 
>
> *Report date:*1 February 2012
>
> *Person-hours:*   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
>
> *Personnel:* (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy
> Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer,
> Terry Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris
> Peña, William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner,
> Liang Wu (+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
>
> *The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another
> successful Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing
> survey, cleaning up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst
> points, and answering other questions about the less-well-documented karst
> of Colorado Bend State Park.*
>
> *Team 1*  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast*
> ***
>
> Will and Kris took a break from* **Dog and Butterfly Cave* (SAB197) this
> month since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen
> eagerly recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross
> section of* **Centennial Cave* (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a
> return to camp for a forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s
> entrance and began their work.  They investigated the few leads at the
> bottom of the cave, and began digging at the most promising, the natural
> bridge and the crawlway behind the flowstone.  They also photodocumented
> this rather pretty cave.  About 6 tri-colored bats (*Perimyotis subflavus*)
> were seen in the main room of the cave.  Upon exiting, Will discovered that
> the narrowest part of the entrance drop was free-climbable.
> 
>
> 
>
> Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct
> location for* **MM Hole* (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the
> cave in his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the
> Park, and the southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the
> bottom of the cave, and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the
> potential for continuation.  Only another meter of very tight passage was
> seen, making this a karst feature, not a cave.
>
> *Team one’s hours:* 24.0
>
> ** **
>
> *Team 2*  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout,
> Maya Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
>
> Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park,
> and teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They
> headed out towards* **Glory Hole* (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.
> Matt found the first new karst feature, named* **Sounds Hollow karst
> feature* (SAB816).  It was a nice looking entrance that plugged too
> quickly with sediment, but could probably be dug open.  They then moved on
> to one of the two locations Jim had for* **Bill Larson Cave #2*(SAB594).  Yaz 
> and Galen got separated from the group on the way there, and
> by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that Lee
> Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off
> and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it,
> to no avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was
> where Bill Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however,
> that the cave was never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim
> and Matt soon had it opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream
> level.  Maya entered, and Ryan sketched, and it was re-named* **Honeybee
> Cave*.  A temporary aluminum tag was finally found with “594” written on
> it, but we have no idea who put that there, or when.  The new virgin cave
> mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

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Re: January CBSP Project report
19461 by: Will Quast
19462 by: germanyj.aol.com

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I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is
at http://goo.gl/m4kkz .

William Quast


On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone take any pix, by chance?
>
> ** **
>
> Send ‘em my way for the *TEXAS CAVER, *if you would.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanx!
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
>
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!**
> **
>
> -- Jim
>
> *Project date:*   13–15 January 2012
>
> *Reported by:*Jim Kennedy 
>
> *Report date:*1 February 2012
>
> *Person-hours:*   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
>
> *Personnel:* (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy
> Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer,
> Terry Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris
> Peña, William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner,
> Liang Wu (+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
>
> *The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another
> successful Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing
> survey, cleaning up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst
> points, and answering other questions about the less-well-documented karst
> of Colorado Bend State Park.*
>
> *Team 1*  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast*
> ***
>
> Will and Kris took a break from* **Dog and Butterfly Cave* (SAB197) this
> month since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen
> eagerly recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross
> section of* **Centennial Cave* (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a
> return to camp for a forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s
> entrance and began their work.  They investigated the few leads at the
> bottom of the cave, and began digging at the most promising, the natural
> bridge and the crawlway behind the flowstone.  They also photodocumented
> this rather pretty cave.  About 6 tri-colored bats (*Perimyotis subflavus*)
> were seen in the main room of the cave.  Upon exiting, Will discovered that
> the narrowest part of the entrance drop was free-climbable.
> 
>
> 
>
> Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct
> location for* **MM Hole* (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the
> cave in his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the
> Park, and the southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the
> bottom of the cave, and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the
> potential for continuation.  Only another meter of very tight passage was
> seen, making this a karst feature, not a cave.
>
> *Team one’s hours:* 24.0
>
> ** **
>
> *Team 2*  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout,
> Maya Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
>
> Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park,
> and teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They
> headed out towards* **Glory Hole* (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.
> Matt found the first new karst feature, named* **Sounds Hollow karst
> feature* (SAB816).  It was a nice looking entrance that plugged too
> quickly with sediment, but could probably be dug open.  They then moved on
> to one of the two locations Jim had for* **Bill Larson Cave #2*(SAB594).  Yaz 
> and Galen got separated from the group on the way there, and
> by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that Lee
> Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off
> and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it,
> to no avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was
> where Bill Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however,
> that the cave was never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim
> and Matt soon had it opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream
> level.  Maya entered, and Ryan sketched, and it was re-named* **Honeybee
> Cave*.  A temporary aluminum tag was finally found with “594” written on
> it, but we have no idea who put that there, or when.  The new virgin cave
> mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

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Re: January CBSP Project report
19461 by: Will Quast
19462 by: germanyj.aol.com

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I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is
at http://goo.gl/m4kkz .

William Quast


On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone take any pix, by chance?
>
> ** **
>
> Send ‘em my way for the *TEXAS CAVER, *if you would.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanx!
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
>
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!**
> **
>
> -- Jim
>
> *Project date:*   13–15 January 2012
>
> *Reported by:*Jim Kennedy 
>
> *Report date:*1 February 2012
>
> *Person-hours:*   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
>
> *Personnel:* (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy
> Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer,
> Terry Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris
> Peña, William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner,
> Liang Wu (+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
>
> *The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another
> successful Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing
> survey, cleaning up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst
> points, and answering other questions about the less-well-documented karst
> of Colorado Bend State Park.*
>
> *Team 1*  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast*
> ***
>
> Will and Kris took a break from* **Dog and Butterfly Cave* (SAB197) this
> month since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen
> eagerly recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross
> section of* **Centennial Cave* (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a
> return to camp for a forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s
> entrance and began their work.  They investigated the few leads at the
> bottom of the cave, and began digging at the most promising, the natural
> bridge and the crawlway behind the flowstone.  They also photodocumented
> this rather pretty cave.  About 6 tri-colored bats (*Perimyotis subflavus*)
> were seen in the main room of the cave.  Upon exiting, Will discovered that
> the narrowest part of the entrance drop was free-climbable.
> 
>
> 
>
> Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct
> location for* **MM Hole* (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the
> cave in his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the
> Park, and the southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the
> bottom of the cave, and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the
> potential for continuation.  Only another meter of very tight passage was
> seen, making this a karst feature, not a cave.
>
> *Team one’s hours:* 24.0
>
> ** **
>
> *Team 2*  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout,
> Maya Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
>
> Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park,
> and teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They
> headed out towards* **Glory Hole* (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.
> Matt found the first new karst feature, named* **Sounds Hollow karst
> feature* (SAB816).  It was a nice looking entrance that plugged too
> quickly with sediment, but could probably be dug open.  They then moved on
> to one of the two locations Jim had for* **Bill Larson Cave #2*(SAB594).  Yaz 
> and Galen got separated from the group on the way there, and
> by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that Lee
> Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off
> and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it,
> to no avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was
> where Bill Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however,
> that the cave was never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim
> and Matt soon had it opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream
> level.  Maya entered, and Ryan sketched, and it was re-named* **Honeybee
> Cave*.  A temporary aluminum tag was finally found with “594” written on
> it, but we have no idea who put that there, or when.  The new virgin cave
> mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[germanyj]

 

 Thanks for posting.  NICE rimstone dam in Centennial Cave!

What's the cave map symbol for bed springs?

julia



 

-Original Message-
From: Will Quast 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is at 
http://goo.gl/m4kkz .


William Quast




On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,   wrote:


Anyone take any pix, by chance?
 
Send ‘em my way for the TEXAS CAVER, if you would.
 
 
Thanx!
 
 
Mark
 
 

From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
To: CaveTex

Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


 
Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim
Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.
Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0
 
Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entran

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[germanyj]

 

 Thanks for posting.  NICE rimstone dam in Centennial Cave!

What's the cave map symbol for bed springs?

julia



 

-Original Message-
From: Will Quast 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is at 
http://goo.gl/m4kkz .


William Quast




On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,   wrote:


Anyone take any pix, by chance?
 
Send ‘em my way for the TEXAS CAVER, if you would.
 
 
Thanx!
 
 
Mark
 
 

From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
To: CaveTex

Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


 
Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim
Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.
Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0
 
Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entran

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[germanyj]

 

 Thanks for posting.  NICE rimstone dam in Centennial Cave!

What's the cave map symbol for bed springs?

julia



 

-Original Message-
From: Will Quast 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is at 
http://goo.gl/m4kkz .


William Quast




On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,   wrote:


Anyone take any pix, by chance?
 
Send ‘em my way for the TEXAS CAVER, if you would.
 
 
Thanx!
 
 
Mark
 
 

From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
To: CaveTex

Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


 
Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim
Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.
Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0
 
Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entran

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Will Quast]

I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is
at http://goo.gl/m4kkz .

William Quast


On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone take any pix, by chance?
>
> ** **
>
> Send ‘em my way for the *TEXAS CAVER, *if you would.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanx!
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
>
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!**
> **
>
> -- Jim
>
> *Project date:*   13–15 January 2012
>
> *Reported by:*Jim Kennedy 
>
> *Report date:*1 February 2012
>
> *Person-hours:*   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
>
> *Personnel:* (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy
> Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer,
> Terry Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris
> Peña, William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner,
> Liang Wu (+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
>
> *The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another
> successful Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing
> survey, cleaning up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst
> points, and answering other questions about the less-well-documented karst
> of Colorado Bend State Park.*
>
> *Team 1*  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast*
> ***
>
> Will and Kris took a break from* **Dog and Butterfly Cave* (SAB197) this
> month since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen
> eagerly recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross
> section of* **Centennial Cave* (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a
> return to camp for a forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s
> entrance and began their work.  They investigated the few leads at the
> bottom of the cave, and began digging at the most promising, the natural
> bridge and the crawlway behind the flowstone.  They also photodocumented
> this rather pretty cave.  About 6 tri-colored bats (*Perimyotis subflavus*)
> were seen in the main room of the cave.  Upon exiting, Will discovered that
> the narrowest part of the entrance drop was free-climbable.
> 
>
> 
>
> Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct
> location for* **MM Hole* (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the
> cave in his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the
> Park, and the southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the
> bottom of the cave, and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the
> potential for continuation.  Only another meter of very tight passage was
> seen, making this a karst feature, not a cave.
>
> *Team one’s hours:* 24.0
>
> ** **
>
> *Team 2*  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout,
> Maya Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
>
> Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park,
> and teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They
> headed out towards* **Glory Hole* (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.
> Matt found the first new karst feature, named* **Sounds Hollow karst
> feature* (SAB816).  It was a nice looking entrance that plugged too
> quickly with sediment, but could probably be dug open.  They then moved on
> to one of the two locations Jim had for* **Bill Larson Cave #2*(SAB594).  Yaz 
> and Galen got separated from the group on the way there, and
> by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that Lee
> Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off
> and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it,
> to no avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was
> where Bill Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however,
> that the cave was never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim
> and Matt soon had it opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream
> level.  Maya entered, and Ryan sketched, and it was re-named* **Honeybee
> Cave*.  A temporary aluminum tag was finally found with “594” written on
> it, but we have no idea who put that there, or when.  The new virgin cave
> mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
>
> Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz,
> who got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour
> was spent with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest
> of the group.  On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting
> lost for a third time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point
> on the way back to the group, labeled only as “Fat 

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Will Quast]

I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is
at http://goo.gl/m4kkz .

William Quast


On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone take any pix, by chance?
>
> ** **
>
> Send ‘em my way for the *TEXAS CAVER, *if you would.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanx!
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
>
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!**
> **
>
> -- Jim
>
> *Project date:*   13–15 January 2012
>
> *Reported by:*Jim Kennedy 
>
> *Report date:*1 February 2012
>
> *Person-hours:*   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
>
> *Personnel:* (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy
> Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer,
> Terry Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris
> Peña, William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner,
> Liang Wu (+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
>
> *The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another
> successful Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing
> survey, cleaning up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst
> points, and answering other questions about the less-well-documented karst
> of Colorado Bend State Park.*
>
> *Team 1*  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast*
> ***
>
> Will and Kris took a break from* **Dog and Butterfly Cave* (SAB197) this
> month since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen
> eagerly recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross
> section of* **Centennial Cave* (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a
> return to camp for a forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s
> entrance and began their work.  They investigated the few leads at the
> bottom of the cave, and began digging at the most promising, the natural
> bridge and the crawlway behind the flowstone.  They also photodocumented
> this rather pretty cave.  About 6 tri-colored bats (*Perimyotis subflavus*)
> were seen in the main room of the cave.  Upon exiting, Will discovered that
> the narrowest part of the entrance drop was free-climbable.
> 
>
> 
>
> Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct
> location for* **MM Hole* (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the
> cave in his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the
> Park, and the southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the
> bottom of the cave, and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the
> potential for continuation.  Only another meter of very tight passage was
> seen, making this a karst feature, not a cave.
>
> *Team one’s hours:* 24.0
>
> ** **
>
> *Team 2*  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout,
> Maya Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
>
> Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park,
> and teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They
> headed out towards* **Glory Hole* (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.
> Matt found the first new karst feature, named* **Sounds Hollow karst
> feature* (SAB816).  It was a nice looking entrance that plugged too
> quickly with sediment, but could probably be dug open.  They then moved on
> to one of the two locations Jim had for* **Bill Larson Cave #2*(SAB594).  Yaz 
> and Galen got separated from the group on the way there, and
> by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that Lee
> Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off
> and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it,
> to no avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was
> where Bill Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however,
> that the cave was never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim
> and Matt soon had it opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream
> level.  Maya entered, and Ryan sketched, and it was re-named* **Honeybee
> Cave*.  A temporary aluminum tag was finally found with “594” written on
> it, but we have no idea who put that there, or when.  The new virgin cave
> mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
>
> Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz,
> who got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour
> was spent with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest
> of the group.  On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting
> lost for a third time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point
> on the way back to the group, labeled only as “Fat 

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Will Quast]

I was in Team 1 & 7, and the mini presentation I gave at the UT Grotto is
at http://goo.gl/m4kkz .

William Quast


On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:52 PM,  wrote:

> Anyone take any pix, by chance?
>
> ** **
>
> Send ‘em my way for the *TEXAS CAVER, *if you would.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thanx!
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Mark
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
>
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report
>
> ** **
>
> Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!**
> **
>
> -- Jim
>
> *Project date:*   13–15 January 2012
>
> *Reported by:*Jim Kennedy 
>
> *Report date:*1 February 2012
>
> *Person-hours:*   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
>
> *Personnel:* (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy
> Edwards, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer,
> Terry Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris
> Peña, William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner,
> Liang Wu (+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
>
> *The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another
> successful Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing
> survey, cleaning up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst
> points, and answering other questions about the less-well-documented karst
> of Colorado Bend State Park.*
>
> *Team 1*  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast*
> ***
>
> Will and Kris took a break from* **Dog and Butterfly Cave* (SAB197) this
> month since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen
> eagerly recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross
> section of* **Centennial Cave* (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a
> return to camp for a forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s
> entrance and began their work.  They investigated the few leads at the
> bottom of the cave, and began digging at the most promising, the natural
> bridge and the crawlway behind the flowstone.  They also photodocumented
> this rather pretty cave.  About 6 tri-colored bats (*Perimyotis subflavus*)
> were seen in the main room of the cave.  Upon exiting, Will discovered that
> the narrowest part of the entrance drop was free-climbable.
> 
>
> 
>
> Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct
> location for* **MM Hole* (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the
> cave in his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the
> Park, and the southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the
> bottom of the cave, and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the
> potential for continuation.  Only another meter of very tight passage was
> seen, making this a karst feature, not a cave.
>
> *Team one’s hours:* 24.0
>
> ** **
>
> *Team 2*  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout,
> Maya Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
>
> Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park,
> and teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They
> headed out towards* **Glory Hole* (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.
> Matt found the first new karst feature, named* **Sounds Hollow karst
> feature* (SAB816).  It was a nice looking entrance that plugged too
> quickly with sediment, but could probably be dug open.  They then moved on
> to one of the two locations Jim had for* **Bill Larson Cave #2*(SAB594).  Yaz 
> and Galen got separated from the group on the way there, and
> by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that Lee
> Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off
> and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it,
> to no avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was
> where Bill Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however,
> that the cave was never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim
> and Matt soon had it opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream
> level.  Maya entered, and Ryan sketched, and it was re-named* **Honeybee
> Cave*.  A temporary aluminum tag was finally found with “594” written on
> it, but we have no idea who put that there, or when.  The new virgin cave
> mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
>
> Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz,
> who got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour
> was spent with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest
> of the group.  On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting
> lost for a third time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point
> on the way back to the group, labeled only as “Fat 

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19457 by: Mark Minton

Return from Huautla
19458 by: Ernest Garza

Re: January CBSP Project report
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Hi Folks, back from the Sierra Mazateca, a safe trip, but had an incident with 
para-military group, will detail it later, along with slide show.
Cheers,
Ernie G--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

 Hi Jim!

Great trip report.

Next CBSP work weekend, y'all need to have a group search for the Sten light. 
Make sure Yaz is tethered to someone ;-)

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!
-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya ent

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Bats in a roof
19457 by: Mark Minton

Return from Huautla
19458 by: Ernest Garza

Re: January CBSP Project report
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--- Begin Message ---
Hi Folks, back from the Sierra Mazateca, a safe trip, but had an incident with 
para-military group, will detail it later, along with slide show.
Cheers,
Ernie G--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

 Hi Jim!

Great trip report.

Next CBSP work weekend, y'all need to have a group search for the Sten light. 
Make sure Yaz is tethered to someone ;-)

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!
-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya ent

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Forward from another list.  Roofers find massive bat colony 
in a 
roof: 



Mark

Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
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Hi Folks, back from the Sierra Mazateca, a safe trip, but had an incident with 
para-military group, will detail it later, along with slide show.
Cheers,
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 Hi Jim!

Great trip report.

Next CBSP work weekend, y'all need to have a group search for the Sten light. 
Make sure Yaz is tethered to someone ;-)

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!
-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya ent

RE: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Mark . Alman]

Anyone take any pix, by chance?

 

Send ‘em my way for the TEXAS CAVER, if you would.

 

 

Thanx!

 

 

Mark

 

 

From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

 

Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012

Reported by:Jim Kennedy 

Report date:1 February 2012

Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)

Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)

The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast

Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.



Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.

Team one’s hours: 24.0

 

Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner

Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.

Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the year.  It also ha

RE: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Mark . Alman]

Anyone take any pix, by chance?

 

Send ‘em my way for the TEXAS CAVER, if you would.

 

 

Thanx!

 

 

Mark

 

 

From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

 

Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012

Reported by:Jim Kennedy 

Report date:1 February 2012

Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)

Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)

The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast

Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.



Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.

Team one’s hours: 24.0

 

Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner

Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.

Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the year.  It also ha

RE: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Mark . Alman]

Anyone take any pix, by chance?

 

Send ‘em my way for the TEXAS CAVER, if you would.

 

 

Thanx!

 

 

Mark

 

 

From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:33 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

 

Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012

Reported by:Jim Kennedy 

Report date:1 February 2012

Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)

Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)

The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast

Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.



Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.

Team one’s hours: 24.0

 

Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner

Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.

Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the year.  It also ha

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[germanyj]

 Hi Jim!

Great trip report.

Next CBSP work weekend, y'all need to have a group search for the Sten light. 
Make sure Yaz is tethered to someone ;-)

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!
-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.
Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the y

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[germanyj]

 Hi Jim!

Great trip report.

Next CBSP work weekend, y'all need to have a group search for the Sten light. 
Make sure Yaz is tethered to someone ;-)

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!
-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.
Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the y

Re: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[germanyj]

 Hi Jim!

Great trip report.

Next CBSP work weekend, y'all need to have a group search for the Sten light. 
Make sure Yaz is tethered to someone ;-)

julia

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Kennedy 
To: CaveTex 
Sent: Thu, Feb 2, 2012 11:30 am
Subject: [Texascavers] January CBSP Project report


Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!
-- Jim

Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)
The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.

Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast
Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner
Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.
Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.
Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the y

[Texascavers] Return from Huautla

[Ernest Garza]

Hi Folks, back from the Sierra Mazateca, a safe trip, but had an incident with 
para-military group, will detail it later, along with slide show.
Cheers,
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texascavers Digest 2 Feb 2012 17:30:41 -0000 Issue 1486

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texascavers Digest 2 Feb 2012 17:30:41 - Issue 1486

Topics (messages 19448 through 19456):

correction to link to Mexican maps
19448 by: Mixon Bill

Honey Creek-SURVEY Trip-Feb 11th
19449 by: ellie watson

Calling cave biologists
19450 by: Matt Zaldivar
19452 by: Mark Minton
19454 by: Fritz Holt

Petzl Ecrin Roc Helmet Discontinued ?!
19451 by: R D Milhollin

scorpions
19453 by: Jim Kennedy

Hiding in a cave
19455 by: Aimee Beveridge

January CBSP Project report
19456 by: Jim Kennedy

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Sorry. The correct link for the 1:5 Mexican geo maps is

http://portaljsp.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/cartas50/geologia50/numcarta50.html

The link to similar maps at 1:25 for the whole country is

http://portaljsp.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/cartas250/geologia/numcarta250.html 
 --Mixon


Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
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--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I will be taking a survey team to some of the hundreds of leads in Honey
Creek Cave on February 11th. Survey will last a max of 24 hours. I am also
willing to coordinate other teams who want to survey.

Please contact me off-list if you are interested.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Can y'all help this anachnologists?

Thanks
Matt

- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves. 
 

Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. Im doing 
research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In austin area there is a 
scorpion called psuedouroctonus reddelli, a inhabitant of caves which you may 
have encountered before. Duringmy research I was hoping to show locations of 
these scorpion's habitat. However since I know little to nothing about caving, 
I do not plan on entering into any caves., for obvious safty concerns. However 
this species will often travel out of caves to hunt during winter conditions. 
This is why I have contacted you. I was hoping to get information on location 
of caves so I may get some pictures. I have read an found out that caves 
locationa are almost a trade secret amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldnt want 
to invade on secret spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I read 
there are three public caves in austin, would it be possible to find those? 

Thank you for any help,
Airrick.--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

I hope this guy's research methods are better than his grammar...

Mark

At 12:06 AM 2/2/2012, Matt Zaldivar wrote:

Can y'all help this anachnologists?

Thanks
Matt

- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves.

Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. 
Im doing research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In austin 
area there is a scorpion called psuedouroctonus reddelli, a 
inhabitant of caves which you may have encountered before. Duringmy 
research I was hoping to show locations of these scorpion's habitat. 
However since I know little to nothing about caving, I do not plan 
on entering into any caves., for obvious safty concerns. However 
this species will often travel out of caves to hunt during winter 
conditions. This is why I have contacted you. I was hoping to get 
information on location of caves so I may get some pictures. I have 
read an found out that caves locationa are almost a trade secret 
amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldnt want to invade on secret 
spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I read there are 
three public caves in austin, would it be possible to find those?


Thank you for any help,
Airrick.


Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
That remark made me laugh out loud. Typical of Mark and well said. I assume the 
fellow was not born in the US but got here as fast as he could, or he went to 
the same school I did. :)

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:44 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Calling cave biologists

 I hope this guy's research methods are better than his grammar...

Mark

At 12:06 AM 2/2/2012, Matt Zaldivar wrote:
>Can y'all help this anachnologists?
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>- Forwarded Mes

texascavers Digest 2 Feb 2012 17:30:41 -0000 Issue 1486

[texascavers-digest-help]

texascavers Digest 2 Feb 2012 17:30:41 - Issue 1486

Topics (messages 19448 through 19456):

correction to link to Mexican maps
19448 by: Mixon Bill

Honey Creek-SURVEY Trip-Feb 11th
19449 by: ellie watson

Calling cave biologists
19450 by: Matt Zaldivar
19452 by: Mark Minton
19454 by: Fritz Holt

Petzl Ecrin Roc Helmet Discontinued ?!
19451 by: R D Milhollin

scorpions
19453 by: Jim Kennedy

Hiding in a cave
19455 by: Aimee Beveridge

January CBSP Project report
19456 by: Jim Kennedy

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--- Begin Message ---

Sorry. The correct link for the 1:5 Mexican geo maps is

http://portaljsp.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/cartas50/geologia50/numcarta50.html

The link to similar maps at 1:25 for the whole country is

http://portaljsp.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/cartas250/geologia/numcarta250.html 
 --Mixon


Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I will be taking a survey team to some of the hundreds of leads in Honey
Creek Cave on February 11th. Survey will last a max of 24 hours. I am also
willing to coordinate other teams who want to survey.

Please contact me off-list if you are interested.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Can y'all help this anachnologists?

Thanks
Matt

- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves. 
 

Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. Im doing 
research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In austin area there is a 
scorpion called psuedouroctonus reddelli, a inhabitant of caves which you may 
have encountered before. Duringmy research I was hoping to show locations of 
these scorpion's habitat. However since I know little to nothing about caving, 
I do not plan on entering into any caves., for obvious safty concerns. However 
this species will often travel out of caves to hunt during winter conditions. 
This is why I have contacted you. I was hoping to get information on location 
of caves so I may get some pictures. I have read an found out that caves 
locationa are almost a trade secret amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldnt want 
to invade on secret spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I read 
there are three public caves in austin, would it be possible to find those? 

Thank you for any help,
Airrick.--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

I hope this guy's research methods are better than his grammar...

Mark

At 12:06 AM 2/2/2012, Matt Zaldivar wrote:

Can y'all help this anachnologists?

Thanks
Matt

- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves.

Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. 
Im doing research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In austin 
area there is a scorpion called psuedouroctonus reddelli, a 
inhabitant of caves which you may have encountered before. Duringmy 
research I was hoping to show locations of these scorpion's habitat. 
However since I know little to nothing about caving, I do not plan 
on entering into any caves., for obvious safty concerns. However 
this species will often travel out of caves to hunt during winter 
conditions. This is why I have contacted you. I was hoping to get 
information on location of caves so I may get some pictures. I have 
read an found out that caves locationa are almost a trade secret 
amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldnt want to invade on secret 
spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I read there are 
three public caves in austin, would it be possible to find those?


Thank you for any help,
Airrick.


Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
That remark made me laugh out loud. Typical of Mark and well said. I assume the 
fellow was not born in the US but got here as fast as he could, or he went to 
the same school I did. :)

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:44 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Calling cave biologists

 I hope this guy's research methods are better than his grammar...

Mark

At 12:06 AM 2/2/2012, Matt Zaldivar wrote:
>Can y'all help this anachnologists?
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>- Forwarded Mes

texascavers Digest 2 Feb 2012 17:30:41 -0000 Issue 1486

[texascavers-digest-help]

texascavers Digest 2 Feb 2012 17:30:41 - Issue 1486

Topics (messages 19448 through 19456):

correction to link to Mexican maps
19448 by: Mixon Bill

Honey Creek-SURVEY Trip-Feb 11th
19449 by: ellie watson

Calling cave biologists
19450 by: Matt Zaldivar
19452 by: Mark Minton
19454 by: Fritz Holt

Petzl Ecrin Roc Helmet Discontinued ?!
19451 by: R D Milhollin

scorpions
19453 by: Jim Kennedy

Hiding in a cave
19455 by: Aimee Beveridge

January CBSP Project report
19456 by: Jim Kennedy

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--- Begin Message ---

Sorry. The correct link for the 1:5 Mexican geo maps is

http://portaljsp.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/cartas50/geologia50/numcarta50.html

The link to similar maps at 1:25 for the whole country is

http://portaljsp.sgm.gob.mx/cartas_impresas/productos/cartas/cartas250/geologia/numcarta250.html 
 --Mixon


Never play leapfrog with a unicorn.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I will be taking a survey team to some of the hundreds of leads in Honey
Creek Cave on February 11th. Survey will last a max of 24 hours. I am also
willing to coordinate other teams who want to survey.

Please contact me off-list if you are interested.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Can y'all help this anachnologists?

Thanks
Matt

- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves. 
 

Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. Im doing 
research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In austin area there is a 
scorpion called psuedouroctonus reddelli, a inhabitant of caves which you may 
have encountered before. Duringmy research I was hoping to show locations of 
these scorpion's habitat. However since I know little to nothing about caving, 
I do not plan on entering into any caves., for obvious safty concerns. However 
this species will often travel out of caves to hunt during winter conditions. 
This is why I have contacted you. I was hoping to get information on location 
of caves so I may get some pictures. I have read an found out that caves 
locationa are almost a trade secret amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldnt want 
to invade on secret spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I read 
there are three public caves in austin, would it be possible to find those? 

Thank you for any help,
Airrick.--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---

I hope this guy's research methods are better than his grammar...

Mark

At 12:06 AM 2/2/2012, Matt Zaldivar wrote:

Can y'all help this anachnologists?

Thanks
Matt

- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves.

Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. 
Im doing research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In austin 
area there is a scorpion called psuedouroctonus reddelli, a 
inhabitant of caves which you may have encountered before. Duringmy 
research I was hoping to show locations of these scorpion's habitat. 
However since I know little to nothing about caving, I do not plan 
on entering into any caves., for obvious safty concerns. However 
this species will often travel out of caves to hunt during winter 
conditions. This is why I have contacted you. I was hoping to get 
information on location of caves so I may get some pictures. I have 
read an found out that caves locationa are almost a trade secret 
amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldnt want to invade on secret 
spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I read there are 
three public caves in austin, would it be possible to find those?


Thank you for any help,
Airrick.


Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
That remark made me laugh out loud. Typical of Mark and well said. I assume the 
fellow was not born in the US but got here as fast as he could, or he went to 
the same school I did. :)

Fritz

-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:44 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Calling cave biologists

 I hope this guy's research methods are better than his grammar...

Mark

At 12:06 AM 2/2/2012, Matt Zaldivar wrote:
>Can y'all help this anachnologists?
>
>Thanks
>Matt
>
>- Forwarded Mes

[Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Jim Kennedy]

Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim


Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)

The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.


Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast

Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner

Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.

Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the year.  It also has 
ticks.  It was a great practice survey cave, so Yaz and Emily both sketched 
while Jim coached and Matt and Galen set stations and got attacked by bugs.  
The sun was starting to set and the temperatures were dropping, so the team 
headed back to the truck parked along the Park roa

[Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Jim Kennedy]

Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim


Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)

The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.


Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast

Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner

Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.

Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the year.  It also has 
ticks.  It was a great practice survey cave, so Yaz and Emily both sketched 
while Jim coached and Matt and Galen set stations and got attacked by bugs.  
The sun was starting to set and the temperatures were dropping, so the team 
headed back to the truck parked along the Park roa

[Texascavers] January CBSP Project report

[Jim Kennedy]

Sorry for the lateness of this report.  It has been a busy month for me!

-- Jim


Project date:   13–15 January 2012
Reported by:Jim Kennedy 
Report date:1 February 2012
Person-hours:   302 hours (200 work, 102 travel)
Personnel: (21 folks)   Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Jerome Cap , Andy Edwards, 
Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Mark Gee, Lee Jay Graves, Devra Heyer, Terry 
Holsinger, Jim Kennedy, Maya Liu, Karen Masters, Ryan Monjaras, Kris Peña, 
William Quast, Scott Serur, Bryce Smith, Keenan Smith, Matt Turner, Liang Wu 
(+10 Boy Scouts and their leaders)

The beautiful weekend weather combined a good turnout for another successful 
Project weekend.  We continued working on small caves needing survey, cleaning 
up the data set to weed out duplicate and non-karst points, and answering other 
questions about the less-well-documented karst of Colorado Bend State Park.


Team 1  Lee Jay Graves, Karen Masters, Kris Peña, William Quast

Will and Kris took a break from Dog and Butterfly Cave (SAB197) this month 
since sketcher Heather Túček was home sick.   So Lee Jay and Karen eagerly 
recruited the couple to help them finish up the profile and cross section of 
Centennial Cave (SAB239).  After a brief delay caused by a return to camp for a 
forgotten headlamp, they finally rigged the cave’s entrance and began their 
work.  They investigated the few leads at the bottom of the cave, and began 
digging at the most promising, the natural bridge and the crawlway behind the 
flowstone.  They also photodocumented this rather pretty cave.  About 6 
tri-colored bats (Perimyotis subflavus) were seen in the main room of the cave. 
 Upon exiting, Will discovered that the narrowest part of the entrance drop was 
free-climbable.

Before heading back to camp, the group helped to ground-truth the correct 
location for MM Hole (SAB191).  Jim had 2 different waypoints for the cave in 
his data set, but the northernmost was discovered to be off the Park, and the 
southern was correct.  A large rock was pulled out of the bottom of the cave, 
and Will lowered Kris headfirst to look at the potential for continuation.  
Only another meter of very tight passage was seen, making this a karst feature, 
not a cave.
Team one’s hours: 24.0


Team 2  Yazmin Avila, Emily Booth, Ryan Fabich, Galen Falgout, Maya 
Liu, Jim Kennedy, Matt Turner

Jim continued his quest to clean up questionable locations in the Park, and 
teaching new cavers survey techniques, especially sketching.  They headed out 
towards Glory Hole (SAB220) and the Bill Larson Caves.  Matt found the first 
new karst feature, named Sounds Hollow karst feature (SAB816).  It was a nice 
looking entrance that plugged too quickly with sediment, but could probably be 
dug open.  They then moved on to one of the two locations Jim had for Bill 
Larson Cave #2 (SAB594).  Yaz and Galen got separated from the group on the way 
there, and by the time they were finally found and reunited, Galen noticed that 
Lee Jay’s Stenlight, which was on his helmet outside his pack, got knocked off 
and lost somewhere on the ridge.  Yaz and Galen went back to look for it, to no 
avail.  Meanwhile, Jim located a nice lead in the creekbed which was where Bill 
Larson Cave #2 was supposed to be.  It was obvious, however, that the cave was 
never large enough for humans before we got there.  Jim and Matt soon had it 
opened to reveal a nice-looking fissure below stream level.  Maya entered, and 
Ryan sketched, and it was re-named Honeybee Cave.  A temporary aluminum tag was 
finally found with “594” written on it, but we have no idea who put that there, 
or when.  The new virgin cave mapped out to 5.89m long, all depth.

Jim and Galen and set out again to look for the lost headlamp and for Yaz, who 
got separated again from Galen and lost a second time.  Over an hour was spent 
with no success, but Jim found Yaz as Galen returned to the rest of the group.  
On his way back to the team, Yaz wandered off again, getting lost for a third 
time.  Jim decided to check out another questionable point on the way back to 
the group, labeled only as “Fat Bob.”  It turned out to be a nice-looking cave 
with two entrances.  He went to collect the rest of the group to survey this 
cave, and they finally were able to make voice contact again with Yaz, and 
holler her in to rejoin the rest.

Fat Bob Cave (SAB557) turned out to have 22 meters of passage and was about 8m 
deep.  It has some nice speleothems, at least 3 or 4 hibernating tri-colored 
bats, and is used as a porcupine den at least part of the year.  It also has 
ticks.  It was a great practice survey cave, so Yaz and Emily both sketched 
while Jim coached and Matt and Galen set stations and got attacked by bugs.  
The sun was starting to set and the temperatures were dropping, so the team 
headed back to the truck parked along the Park roa

[Texascavers] Hiding in a cave

[Aimee Beveridge]

 Sad Cave story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16693432
Mexico strikes Sinaloa cartel as Cabrera Sarabria shot
 Ten of the detained were paraded in front of journalists, another suspect is 
in hospital. 
Mexico's drugs war
* The Mexican security forces have arrested 11 alleged members of the 
country's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa cartel. 
They said those detained worked for Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the most wanted 
man in Mexico. 
They were arrested during a helicopter raid on a ranch in the north-western 
state of Durango on Friday.
During the raid, elite troops killed the regional leader of the gang, Luis 
Alberto Cabrera Sarabia. 
The security forces said his death was a severe blow to the Sinaloa cartel's 
operations in Durango and Chihuahua.
Mr Cabrera Sarabia is accused of having controlled much of the drug trafficking 
in the two northern states. 
Defence spokesman Gen Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said the security forces located 
the ranch where Mr Cabrera Sarabia was staying last week. 
A special operations team moved in on Friday and were fired on, Gen Trevilla 
Trejo said.
He said that Mr Cabrera Sarabia managed to escape along with his bodyguard, 
hiding in a cave in a mountainous area near the ranch.
'Family business'
Mr Cabrera Sarabia was killed in a firefight as the special operations team 
moved in on the cave, the general said. 
Three members of the security forces were injured in the operation.
At the ranch, soldiers found more than a dozen long-range weapons and more than 
4,000 rounds of ammunition, as well as armoured cars and communication 
equipment.
Gen Trevilla Trejo said Mr Cabrera Sarabia had been personally chosen to head 
the Sinaloa cartel's operations in the region by its leader Joaquin "Shorty" 
Guzman.
He was appointed only last month, after the arrest of the previous regional 
leader, Luis Alberto Cabrera Sarabia's brother, Felipe.
The Sinaloa cartel controls much of the flow of cocaine, marijuana and 
methamphetamines into the United States via air, land and sea, and is believed 
to have links in as many as 50 countries.
Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman was jailed in 1993 but escaped his maximum-security 
prison in a laundry basket eight years later, embarrassing and eluding the 
authorities ever since.

[Texascavers] Hiding in a cave

[Aimee Beveridge]

 Sad Cave story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16693432
Mexico strikes Sinaloa cartel as Cabrera Sarabria shot
 Ten of the detained were paraded in front of journalists, another suspect is 
in hospital. 
Mexico's drugs war
* The Mexican security forces have arrested 11 alleged members of the 
country's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa cartel. 
They said those detained worked for Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the most wanted 
man in Mexico. 
They were arrested during a helicopter raid on a ranch in the north-western 
state of Durango on Friday.
During the raid, elite troops killed the regional leader of the gang, Luis 
Alberto Cabrera Sarabia. 
The security forces said his death was a severe blow to the Sinaloa cartel's 
operations in Durango and Chihuahua.
Mr Cabrera Sarabia is accused of having controlled much of the drug trafficking 
in the two northern states. 
Defence spokesman Gen Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said the security forces located 
the ranch where Mr Cabrera Sarabia was staying last week. 
A special operations team moved in on Friday and were fired on, Gen Trevilla 
Trejo said.
He said that Mr Cabrera Sarabia managed to escape along with his bodyguard, 
hiding in a cave in a mountainous area near the ranch.
'Family business'
Mr Cabrera Sarabia was killed in a firefight as the special operations team 
moved in on the cave, the general said. 
Three members of the security forces were injured in the operation.
At the ranch, soldiers found more than a dozen long-range weapons and more than 
4,000 rounds of ammunition, as well as armoured cars and communication 
equipment.
Gen Trevilla Trejo said Mr Cabrera Sarabia had been personally chosen to head 
the Sinaloa cartel's operations in the region by its leader Joaquin "Shorty" 
Guzman.
He was appointed only last month, after the arrest of the previous regional 
leader, Luis Alberto Cabrera Sarabia's brother, Felipe.
The Sinaloa cartel controls much of the flow of cocaine, marijuana and 
methamphetamines into the United States via air, land and sea, and is believed 
to have links in as many as 50 countries.
Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman was jailed in 1993 but escaped his maximum-security 
prison in a laundry basket eight years later, embarrassing and eluding the 
authorities ever since.

[Texascavers] Hiding in a cave

[Aimee Beveridge]

 Sad Cave story
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16693432
Mexico strikes Sinaloa cartel as Cabrera Sarabria shot
 Ten of the detained were paraded in front of journalists, another suspect is 
in hospital. 
Mexico's drugs war
* The Mexican security forces have arrested 11 alleged members of the 
country's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa cartel. 
They said those detained worked for Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman, the most wanted 
man in Mexico. 
They were arrested during a helicopter raid on a ranch in the north-western 
state of Durango on Friday.
During the raid, elite troops killed the regional leader of the gang, Luis 
Alberto Cabrera Sarabia. 
The security forces said his death was a severe blow to the Sinaloa cartel's 
operations in Durango and Chihuahua.
Mr Cabrera Sarabia is accused of having controlled much of the drug trafficking 
in the two northern states. 
Defence spokesman Gen Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said the security forces located 
the ranch where Mr Cabrera Sarabia was staying last week. 
A special operations team moved in on Friday and were fired on, Gen Trevilla 
Trejo said.
He said that Mr Cabrera Sarabia managed to escape along with his bodyguard, 
hiding in a cave in a mountainous area near the ranch.
'Family business'
Mr Cabrera Sarabia was killed in a firefight as the special operations team 
moved in on the cave, the general said. 
Three members of the security forces were injured in the operation.
At the ranch, soldiers found more than a dozen long-range weapons and more than 
4,000 rounds of ammunition, as well as armoured cars and communication 
equipment.
Gen Trevilla Trejo said Mr Cabrera Sarabia had been personally chosen to head 
the Sinaloa cartel's operations in the region by its leader Joaquin "Shorty" 
Guzman.
He was appointed only last month, after the arrest of the previous regional 
leader, Luis Alberto Cabrera Sarabia's brother, Felipe.
The Sinaloa cartel controls much of the flow of cocaine, marijuana and 
methamphetamines into the United States via air, land and sea, and is believed 
to have links in as many as 50 countries.
Joaquin "Shorty" Guzman was jailed in 1993 but escaped his maximum-security 
prison in a laundry basket eight years later, embarrassing and eluding the 
authorities ever since.

[Texascavers] scorpions

[Jim Kennedy]

Airrick,

You really need to get in touch with James Reddell, THE premier cave
biologist in Texas.  While there are many cavers who have seen scorpions
in and about caves, James is much more versed in the overall literature
about them, and also their behavior and localities.  I have cc'ed him on
this reply so that you also have his contact information.

Jim Kennedy
Cave Resources Specialist
Bat Conservation International
NSS 26791 Fellow, Life Member


- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves. 


Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. I'm
doing research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In Austin area
there is a scorpion called Pseudouroctonus reddelli, a inhabitant of
caves which you may have encountered before. During my research I was
hoping to show locations of these scorpion's habitat. However since I
know little to nothing about caving, I do not plan on entering into any
caves., for obvious safety concerns. However this species will often
travel out of caves to hunt during winter conditions. This is why I have
contacted you. I was hoping to get information on location of caves so I
may get some pictures. I have read an found out that caves locations are
almost a trade secret amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldn't want to
invade on secret spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I
read there are three public caves in Austin, would it be possible to
find those? 

Thank you for any help,
Airrick.

[Texascavers] scorpions

[Jim Kennedy]

Airrick,

You really need to get in touch with James Reddell, THE premier cave
biologist in Texas.  While there are many cavers who have seen scorpions
in and about caves, James is much more versed in the overall literature
about them, and also their behavior and localities.  I have cc'ed him on
this reply so that you also have his contact information.

Jim Kennedy
Cave Resources Specialist
Bat Conservation International
NSS 26791 Fellow, Life Member


- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves. 


Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. I'm
doing research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In Austin area
there is a scorpion called Pseudouroctonus reddelli, a inhabitant of
caves which you may have encountered before. During my research I was
hoping to show locations of these scorpion's habitat. However since I
know little to nothing about caving, I do not plan on entering into any
caves., for obvious safety concerns. However this species will often
travel out of caves to hunt during winter conditions. This is why I have
contacted you. I was hoping to get information on location of caves so I
may get some pictures. I have read an found out that caves locations are
almost a trade secret amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldn't want to
invade on secret spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I
read there are three public caves in Austin, would it be possible to
find those? 

Thank you for any help,
Airrick.

[Texascavers] scorpions

[Jim Kennedy]

Airrick,

You really need to get in touch with James Reddell, THE premier cave
biologist in Texas.  While there are many cavers who have seen scorpions
in and about caves, James is much more versed in the overall literature
about them, and also their behavior and localities.  I have cc'ed him on
this reply so that you also have his contact information.

Jim Kennedy
Cave Resources Specialist
Bat Conservation International
NSS 26791 Fellow, Life Member


- Forwarded Message -
From: Airrick Lee 
To: manto...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:01 PM
Subject: Caves. 


Hello sir,
My name is Airrick. I study arachnology more particularly scorpions. I'm
doing research an documentary on scorpions of Texas. In Austin area
there is a scorpion called Pseudouroctonus reddelli, a inhabitant of
caves which you may have encountered before. During my research I was
hoping to show locations of these scorpion's habitat. However since I
know little to nothing about caving, I do not plan on entering into any
caves., for obvious safety concerns. However this species will often
travel out of caves to hunt during winter conditions. This is why I have
contacted you. I was hoping to get information on location of caves so I
may get some pictures. I have read an found out that caves locations are
almost a trade secret amongst grottos. Due to this I wouldn't want to
invade on secret spots. Is there any way you could help me though? I
read there are three public caves in Austin, would it be possible to
find those? 

Thank you for any help,
Airrick.

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> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send an empty reply to this
> a=
> ddress:
>
>   texascavers-sc.1328193761.gpfglfbaonagjggfghfn-Edgar_Lewis=3DDell.com@te
> =
> xascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the "To:"
> =
> field of a new message.
>
> This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> to=
>  get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone forges a
> =
> subscription request in your name.
>
> Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> cann=
> ot reply to this request, instead send a message to  =
> xascavers.com> and put the entire address listed above into the
> "Subject:" =
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>
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>   
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> change=
> d addresses since subscribing, you can also send a message to:
>   
>
> For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation message to
> t=
> hat address. When you receive it, simply reply to it to complete the
> transa=
> ction.
>
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[Charles Goldsmith]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:43 AM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> I respectfully request your permission to add
>
>   edgar_le...@dell.com
>
> to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
> either came from you, or it has already been verified by
> the potential subscriber.
>
> To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:
>
>   texascavers-tc.1328193835.keimlgenajcaojnmobeg-Edgar_Lewis=
> dell@texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> the "To:" field of a new message.
>
> If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>   
>
> To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
> the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
> message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
> you can also send a message to:
>   
>
> For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
> message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
> to complete the transaction.
>
> If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
> please send a message to:
>
>
>
> Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
> to make it easier to help you.
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>
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> -Original Message-
> From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto:
> texascavers-help@texascavers=
> .com]=20
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: Lewis, Edgar
> Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com=
>  mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-owner@texascave
> =
> rs.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
>   edgar_le...@dell.com
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send an empty reply to this
> a=
> ddress:
>
>   texascavers-sc.1328193761.gpfglfbaonagjggfghfn-Edgar_Lewis=3DDell.com@te
> =
> xascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the "To:"
> =
> field of a new message.
>
> This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> to=
>  get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone forges a
> =
> subscription request in your name.
>
> Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> cann=
> ot reply to this request, instead send a message to  =
> xascavers.com> and put the entire address listed above into the
> "Subject:" =
> line.
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please do not send
> them=
>  to the list address! Instead, send your message to the correct command
> add=
> ress:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>   
>
> To remove your address from the list, just send a message to the address
> in=
>  the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list message. If you haven't
> change=
> d addresses since subscribing, you can also send a message to:
>   
>
> For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation message to
> t=
> hat address. When you receive it, simply reply to it to complete the
> transa=
> ction.
>
> If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list, ple

Re: CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[Charles Goldsmith]

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:43 AM,  wrote:

> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> I respectfully request your permission to add
>
>   edgar_le...@dell.com
>
> to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
> either came from you, or it has already been verified by
> the potential subscriber.
>
> To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:
>
>   texascavers-tc.1328193835.keimlgenajcaojnmobeg-Edgar_Lewis=
> dell@texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
> the "To:" field of a new message.
>
> If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.
>
> Thank you for your help!
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
> do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
> your message to the correct command address:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>   
>
> To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
> the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
> message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
> you can also send a message to:
>   
>
> For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
> message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
> to complete the transaction.
>
> If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
> please send a message to:
>
>
>
> Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
> to make it easier to help you.
>
> --- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.
>
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> 14:43:54 -
> X-Loopcount0: from 10.175.216.249
> From: 
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> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:43:52 -0600
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>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com [mailto:
> texascavers-help@texascavers=
> .com]=20
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: Lewis, Edgar
> Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com=
>  mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-owner@texascave
> =
> rs.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
>   edgar_le...@dell.com
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send an empty reply to this
> a=
> ddress:
>
>   texascavers-sc.1328193761.gpfglfbaonagjggfghfn-Edgar_Lewis=3DDell.com@te
> =
> xascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the "To:"
> =
> field of a new message.
>
> This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able
> to=
>  get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone forges a
> =
> subscription request in your name.
>
> Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you
> cann=
> ot reply to this request, instead send a message to  =
> xascavers.com> and put the entire address listed above into the
> "Subject:" =
> line.
>
>
> --- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---
>
> I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please do not send
> them=
>  to the list address! Instead, send your message to the correct command
> add=
> ress:
>
> For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
>   
>
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>   
>
> To remove your address from the list, just send a message to the address
> in=
>  the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list message. If you haven't
> change=
> d addresses since subscribing, you can also send a message to:
>   
>
> For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation message to
> t=
> hat address. When you receive it, simply reply to it to complete the
> transa=
> ction.
>
> If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list, ple

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   edgar_le...@dell.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1328193985.ojekgjhjhoedcopddhaf-Edgar_Lewis=dell@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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From: 
To: 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Dell | Dell Information Services
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CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   edgar_le...@dell.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1328193985.ojekgjhjhoedcopddhaf-Edgar_Lewis=dell@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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From: 
To: 

Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:45:40 -0600
Subject:
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Edgar B Lewis
Technical Analysis Analyst
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CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   edgar_le...@dell.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1328193985.ojekgjhjhoedcopddhaf-Edgar_Lewis=dell@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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From: 
To: 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:45:40 -0600
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CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   edgar_le...@dell.com

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1328193835.keimlgenajcaojnmobeg-Edgar_Lewis=dell@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

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Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

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Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

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subscription request in your name.

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texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

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the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
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.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:43 AM
To: Lewis, Edgar
Subject: confirm subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the texascavers@texascavers.com=
 mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached at texascavers-owner@texascave=
rs.com.

To confirm that you would like

   edgar_le...@dell.com

added to the texascavers mailing list, please send an empty reply to this a=
ddress:

   texascavers-sc.1328193761.gpfglfbaonagjggfghfn-Edgar_Lewis=3DDell.com@te=
xascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into the "To:" =
field of a new message.

This confirmation serves two purposes. First, it verifies that I am able to=
 get mail through to you. Second, it protects you in case someone forges a =
subscription request in your name.

Some mail programs are broken and cannot handle long addresses. If you cann=
ot reply to this request, instead send a message to  and put the entire address listed above into the "Subject:" =
line.


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please do not send them=
 to the list address! Instead, send your message to the correct command add=
ress:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to the address in=
 the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list message. If you haven't change=
d addresses since subscribing, you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation message to t=
hat address. When you receive it, simply reply to it to complete the transa=
ction.

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[SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

[Stephen Fleming]

Note: this mailing now adds the Texas and Arizona folks. I request these 
states further publicize the event by appropriate means to inform 
potential attendeesthanks. Additionally, the event will appear in 
the next several NSS News calendars. Please see the SWR website at 
http://www.caves.org/region/swr/50th.html for additional information. 
You will receive this monthly reminder through the beginning of May.


Current news...

A work weekend, prior to the March regional, is being planned to 
disassemble the balcony railing and perhaps begin some initial 
restoration. More info will be posted via the website and this list when 
dates are determined.


The T-shirt logo is now posted on the SWR website.

The after dinner speaker will, instead, be three folks who were 
instrumental in establishing the region:

Ells Rolfs
Harvey DuChene
Lee Skinner

The Dinner will be BBQ.

The region will be performing a volunteer project for the Fort Stanton 
Monument at the Spring Regional, March 24-25, 2012. We will be 
renovating a balcony railing on an historic fort building so that we may 
use the on-site cafeteria at no charge for the 50th event. Please plan 
on attending so we can accomplish this project quickly and efficiently.



Monthly reminder...

SWR 50th Anniversary

IMPORTANT DATES (note: calls for submissions relate to SWR organizations 
only)


Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit general grotto information for past 25
years to Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit memorializations for deceased SWR
members (all years) to Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit summaries from past chairmen, project
leaders, Tularosa convention, SWR/NSS awards (personal & group) to Linda
Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave

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[SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

[Stephen Fleming]

Note: this mailing now adds the Texas and Arizona folks. I request these 
states further publicize the event by appropriate means to inform 
potential attendeesthanks. Additionally, the event will appear in 
the next several NSS News calendars. Please see the SWR website at 
http://www.caves.org/region/swr/50th.html for additional information. 
You will receive this monthly reminder through the beginning of May.


Current news...

A work weekend, prior to the March regional, is being planned to 
disassemble the balcony railing and perhaps begin some initial 
restoration. More info will be posted via the website and this list when 
dates are determined.


The T-shirt logo is now posted on the SWR website.

The after dinner speaker will, instead, be three folks who were 
instrumental in establishing the region:

Ells Rolfs
Harvey DuChene
Lee Skinner

The Dinner will be BBQ.

The region will be performing a volunteer project for the Fort Stanton 
Monument at the Spring Regional, March 24-25, 2012. We will be 
renovating a balcony railing on an historic fort building so that we may 
use the on-site cafeteria at no charge for the 50th event. Please plan 
on attending so we can accomplish this project quickly and efficiently.



Monthly reminder...

SWR 50th Anniversary

IMPORTANT DATES (note: calls for submissions relate to SWR organizations 
only)


Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit general grotto information for past 25
years to Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit memorializations for deceased SWR
members (all years) to Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit summaries from past chairmen, project
leaders, Tularosa convention, SWR/NSS awards (personal & group) to Linda
Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave

___
SWR mailing list
s...@caver.net
http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net

[SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

[Stephen Fleming]

Note: this mailing now adds the Texas and Arizona folks. I request these 
states further publicize the event by appropriate means to inform 
potential attendeesthanks. Additionally, the event will appear in 
the next several NSS News calendars. Please see the SWR website at 
http://www.caves.org/region/swr/50th.html for additional information. 
You will receive this monthly reminder through the beginning of May.


Current news...

A work weekend, prior to the March regional, is being planned to 
disassemble the balcony railing and perhaps begin some initial 
restoration. More info will be posted via the website and this list when 
dates are determined.


The T-shirt logo is now posted on the SWR website.

The after dinner speaker will, instead, be three folks who were 
instrumental in establishing the region:

Ells Rolfs
Harvey DuChene
Lee Skinner

The Dinner will be BBQ.

The region will be performing a volunteer project for the Fort Stanton 
Monument at the Spring Regional, March 24-25, 2012. We will be 
renovating a balcony railing on an historic fort building so that we may 
use the on-site cafeteria at no charge for the 50th event. Please plan 
on attending so we can accomplish this project quickly and efficiently.



Monthly reminder...

SWR 50th Anniversary

IMPORTANT DATES (note: calls for submissions relate to SWR organizations 
only)


Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit general grotto information for past 25
years to Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit memorializations for deceased SWR
members (all years) to Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Deadline to submit summaries from past chairmen, project
leaders, Tularosa convention, SWR/NSS awards (personal & group) to Linda
Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave

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[Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Helmet Discontinued ?!

[R D Milhollin]

>From VA List:

 according to Karst Sports, the beloved-by-cavers Petzl Ecrin Roc helmet has 
been
discontinued.

http://www.karstsports.com/10301.html

"END OF SERIES. The manufacturer has stopped making this item and once
inventory is depleted it will no longer be available."

If you're a fan of this helmet, get a spare while you can.

[Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Helmet Discontinued ?!

[R D Milhollin]

>From VA List:

 according to Karst Sports, the beloved-by-cavers Petzl Ecrin Roc helmet has 
been
discontinued.

http://www.karstsports.com/10301.html

"END OF SERIES. The manufacturer has stopped making this item and once
inventory is depleted it will no longer be available."

If you're a fan of this helmet, get a spare while you can.

[Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Helmet Discontinued ?!

[R D Milhollin]

>From VA List:

 according to Karst Sports, the beloved-by-cavers Petzl Ecrin Roc helmet has 
been
discontinued.

http://www.karstsports.com/10301.html

"END OF SERIES. The manufacturer has stopped making this item and once
inventory is depleted it will no longer be available."

If you're a fan of this helmet, get a spare while you can.