[SWR] August Meeting Notes

2012-08-17 Thread Ormsby, Matthew A 
Meeting Notes August 14th, 2012
 
The August Meeting of the PBSS open at 7:02pm, 10 minutes after a
opinionated and probably near sighted individual commented to Tony and I
about the size of the table we were occupying. He obviously missed the
sign that indicated the table was reserved for the club and probably
didn't know the meeting was not yet at hand. I guess sometimes people
speak and don't think, or speak after thinking... only their thoughts
are a little on the short side of intelligent. Anyway. The table did in
fact fill up with Walter, Bill, Tony, Patrick and Matthew all in
attendance. 
 
Walter gave a financial report. Currently $800.79 resides in the clubs
account.
 
Bill addressed an upcoming PBOC trip to Amazing Maze. The trip will be
on September 22nd and Bill and Jacqui and anyone else I presume that
wants to will lead a group of people from the outdoor club to and
through parts of Amazing Maze. 
 
Matthew gave a report on the recent trip to Wen Cave and Christmas Tree
Cave in CCNP. Bill gave some history on the caves and recent pictures
from the trip were shown on a laptop. Trips to Chimney and Helen's Cave
were discussed and will be planned in the not to distant future. Patrick
commented a recent job change should allow him to make more caving
trips.
 
Bill gave a report on the National Convention. He gave more of a report
on the storm than the actual convention but lamented that those earning
awards were not appropriately recognized because the distraction that
the storm presented.
 
A large portion of the meeting was spent discussing access to a large
cave in West Texas. Prior to the meeting much time had been spent trying
to figure out if the PBSS might establish a relationship with the West
Texas land owner. At meeting time we were hopeful to get into the cave.
Since meeting time we have learned that relationships with the landowner
are very dynamic and access will be tricky. 
 
The meeting closed at 7:41.
 
Matthew Ormsby
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texascavers Digest 17 Aug 2012 17:56:33 -0000 Issue 1609

2012-08-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help 

texascavers Digest 17 Aug 2012 17:56:33 - Issue 1609

Topics (messages 20543 through 20548):

Kiwi Sink Dig
20543 by: Ernest Garza

TCC CAVE DAY  Saturday September 15th
20544 by: Mike Walsh

Lost/ found
20545 by: Mallory Mayeux

Honey Creek Cave Tank Haul! Haulers Needed January 19th & 26th
20546 by: ellie watson

Sunday Swim
20547 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com

off topic - retirement
20548 by: Logan McNatt

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Hey Diggers,

There are 6-7 empty barrels to fill, come by on by Sunday, Aug. 19 at late 
morning and help us dig. A tarp will shield us from the sun, 
the digging is excellent, we are close to  the North Passage. Bring lunch, 
gloves and a helmet (we have a couple extras). After the dig, 
we may go for a cool swim.
Park at 444 Billie Brooks Ln, Driftwood, between Kyle and Wimberly.  Pit is 
across the street, Call Ernie at (512)847-0183 for more details.

-Ernie--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Two times a year the Texas Cave Conservancy hosts an open house for the
public to learn about caves, cave life and the aquifer as related to caves.
They are held each year in April and in September on the Saturday closest to
the 15th of the month.  This year, the TCC CAVE DAY will be on Saturday
-September 15, 2012.  We have had over two thousand visitors at a CAVE Day.
We always need cavers to assist in this public education effort.  We never
have had enough staff to present our best information.  Each year, we have a
number of cavers come out to the TCC Headquarters, stay in the campground
and go caving here in the Cedar Park, Texas area.  We never have enough
caver support for CAVE DAY.  We may have to hire non-cavers to assist us in
this event in the future. Please let us know if you can assist.  You will be
welcome to stay at the campground and we will even buy food and beer that
evening.  To the cavers that have come out and assisted, we send our thanks.
To those cavers that have assisted in the past and have been burned out by
too few workers, we say Thank you-Thank you for being there when we really
needed you.  We will need workers to take visitors into both Avery Ranch
Cave and the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave.  Last April, we had over 2000
visitors inside the two caves.  This time, we have been forced to conduct No
publicity efforts except for our web site.  That may reduce the number of
visitors and make it easier for our staff.  For additional information on
CAVE DAY, check out our great web site at Texascavers.org/   Since we put
ithe web site online in April 2010, we have had over 653,000 hits.  Once
again, to everyone that has helped make the Texas Cave Conservancy a great
organization.  Thank you.

 

 

 

Mike Walsh

 

President -Texas Cave Conservancy

 

512-249-2283

 

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Is anyone missing a red energizer-brand headlamp that may have somehow ended up 
with me?

Also, has anyone run across a Princeton quad that does not belong to them? I'm 
missing a couple.

Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone--- End Message ---
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Texas Cavers,

Its time for another Honey Creek Tank Haul and we need cavers to help
haul dive gear on January 19th and January 26th for legendary
cave-divers Dr. Jean Krejca and James Brown. This is an
all-time-classic trip to an extraordinary cave and one of my personal
favorites! I am keeping the list of those interested please let me
know which dates you can make it. We already have 4 signed up but we
need many more!

Cavers are needed on January 19th to haul gear to Sump 1 for Jean and
James to begin their 2-day underground camp/exploration. On January
26th, cavers are needed to go to Sump 1 and haul gear out of the cave.
Camping is available both weekends and we will enter the cave around
9am.

Honey Creek is a water cave and you will need a wetsuit and harness
with d-ring to be lowered on cable down a man-made shaft. I recommend
flotation and water-tight food containers. The trip to the sump
typically takes 6 hours and includes walking, salamandering, crawling,
and "The Mud and The Crud". The trip is challenging but very fun.

Come for one weekend or both. This is a definite must-do trip for any
new caver and if you have already visited the cave, you know it's
worth seeing again.

Spread the word and please don't hesitate to ask me any questions,

Cavingly,

Ellie Watson
--- End Message ---
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The last Sunday Swim this year at Pete & Jocie's pond will be Sunday, 
August 26th, 2:00 - 6:00 or so. Bring snacks and drinks to share, (or not). For 
info, call (don't text) Pete at 512-897-9235.
--- End Message ---
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I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15

[SWR] Hueco Tanks Pictograph Restoration Show

2012-08-17 Thread Mark Minton 
Texas Parks and Wildlife will air a show on October 21-27 
about using a high-tech method to remove graffiti and restore 
pictographs at Hueco Tanks.  There is a teaser for the show at 
.


Mark

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Re: [Texascavers] Hueco Tanks Pictograph Restoration Show

2012-08-17 Thread Nancy Weaver 
Texas Parks and Wildlife will air a show on October 21-27 
about using a high-tech method to remove graffiti and restore 
pictographs at Hueco Tanks.



so pictographs arent grafitti . . .

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[Texascavers] off topic - retirement

2012-08-17 Thread Logan McNatt 
I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15th, after 18+ years of working there (1972-1976 part-time; 1996-2012).  If you 
have my TPWD work email address and phone #, please be sure to delete them from your address book/contacts.  They don't work anymore (like me, 
for now).


I've sent evites to some of you for my retirement party, but know that I've missed a lot of you who will want to come.  It will be a mix of 
cavers, archeologists, TPWD folks, and other friends.  So here's the info:


Saturday August 25th, 2012  5:30 to 11:30 p.m.
Zilker Clubhouse  west of Zilker Park and Loop 1/Mopac, off Rollingwood Drive   
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?address=200%20Zilker%20Clubhouse%20Rd&city=Austin&state=TX&zipcode=78746

beer, music, fire-dancer, champion kite flyer provided
potluck

Here's how my new life of retirement is going so far.

_Day 1_: Calendar says "SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
5:30 a.m.  woke up
6:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight  on computer and phone answering messages most of day; wash dishes; feeble attempts to clean house;  put tarp on 
roof to last until roofers come on Aug 28th;


_Day 2_   Calendar says "SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING"
9:00 a.m.  woke up, making rapid progress in adjusting to new lifestyle

Onward Through the Fog,

LowGun
4419 Clawson Rd
Austin, TX  78745-1039
512-462-9581

[Texascavers] Oregon does too have significant cave life

2012-08-17 Thread Louise Power 

Entirely new family of arachnids was discovered south of Grants Pass area
 

A new family of spiders, called Trogloraptor marchingtoni, has been discovered 
in caves south of Grants Pass. They are about the size of a 50-cent piece. 
Photo courtesy Joel Ledford, California Academy of the SciencesJoel Ledford, 
Calif Academy Of T
 
August 17, 2012 

By Paul Fattig
Mail Tribune
 
Arachnophobes beware: A new family of spiders has been discovered in two caves 
south of Grants Pass.
The new species of Josephine County cave-dwelling arachnid has been given the 
scientific moniker of Trogloraptor marchingtoni in honor of Neil Marchington, a 
self-taught biologist and spelunker who helped bring the caves and its 
eight-legged residents to the attention of the scientific community.
"It's exciting to be part of a whole new discovery of spiders," said 
Marchington, 31, of Bend, the son of retired Medford teachers Scott 
Marchington, now of La Pine, and Sally Marchington of Medford.
"It's remarkable, really amazing, to think you were in a group that discovered 
an undiscovered species in the Grants Pass area," added Neil Marchington, a 
deputy sheriff in Deschutes County when he isn't spelunking.
Marchington is a member of the Western Cave Conservancy who, along with 
graduate student Tracy Audisio of San Francisco State University and others, 
helped bring attention to the spider. Dead specimens were collected in 2010, 
followed by live samples last year.
"We think this is a pretty historic moment in arachnology," said entomologist 
Charles Griswold, 61, an internationally known spider expert at the California 
Academy of Sciences in San Francisco.
"This spider is so evolutionarily different we had to propose a new family name 
to contain it," he added of Trogloraptor, Latin for "cave robber."
One of the caves is on private land; the other is on U.S. Bureau of Land 
Management property. Those studying the spiders have requested the sites not be 
named out of concern that visitors could damage the fragile underground 
environment.
The BLM issued permits for the 2010 and 2011 scientific expeditions into its 
cave, said Robin Snider, a biologist with the agency's Medford District.
"It was nice for us to have these people come in to study these invertebrates — 
we don't have the skills they have," she said.
The agency's goal is to protect the cave from vandalism, she said, noting it is 
very sensitive to intrusion.
"These spiders are in their own environment, their own microclimate," she said. 
"We want to protect that."
Griswold, along with Audisio and postdoctoral researcher Joel Ledford at the 
University of California-Davis, have written a paper that has been accepted for 
publication in ZooKeys, a major zoology publication.
When Audisio first brought in a specimen, no one at the academy had any idea 
what the creature was, Griswold recalled.
"We consulted all the standard reference works — it didn't fit into any known 
family, living or fossil," he said, noting that detailed studies of its anatomy 
and DNA also determined the spindly spider about the size of a 50-cent piece 
was new to the world of science.
"We now want to continue the research on its evolutionary position," he said. 
"How does it use those trap-like feet to capture its prey? Their claws are 
long, looking like a scythe or a switchblade knife. We know they make a little 
web and hang beneath it.
"But it has no obvious cave adaptation," he added. "It has functional eyes, but 
they probably enable them only to see the difference between light and dark."
Since that discovery, a different species of Trogloraptor was discovered living 
in the redwood forest of Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, he said.
But Griswold, who found one of the spiders while visiting the caves in 
Josephine County last summer, said the underground caverns are special.
"We know these caves harbor unique organisms that are very fragile," he said. 
"And there may be other unique organisms to be discovered in these caves."
Marchington also stressed the importance of preserving the sensitive ecosystem 
of the caves.
"It's important people realize anything they do in caves has an impact," he 
said. "We need to be very mindful of what we do and how we protect these 
places."
However, given the fact the spiders aren't warm and fuzzy looking, Marchington 
doesn't think a lot of people will want to be around them.
"At one point when we were collecting them — I was crawling on my back — and 
one dropped off the ceiling," he said.
"I screamed."
Reach reporter Paul Fattig at 541-776-4496 or email him at 
pfat...@mailtribune.com.   

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[SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Jen. 
In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread germanyj 

I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation



In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.



http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html



 
 
  
 
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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Ken Harrington 

Hopefully someone who attends can provide a recap on the SWR for those of us 
who can not attend.
Ken

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
rain. 
 



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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:54:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



-Original Message-
From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation




In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.



http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html




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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread R D Milhollin 
Perhaps the new report to be presented will help to substantiate the statement 
in the article:

"The disease’s spores can hitchhike on visitors’ footwear and clothing and 
spread from cave-to-cave."


Maybe I am not up to date on this but I don't remember this assertion being 
verified to date.



 From: "germa...@aol.com" 
To: bigredfo...@yahoo.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation
 


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



-Original Message-
From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html___
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[SWR] August Meeting Notes

2012-08-17 Thread Ormsby, Matthew A 
Meeting Notes August 14th, 2012
 
The August Meeting of the PBSS open at 7:02pm, 10 minutes after a
opinionated and probably near sighted individual commented to Tony and I
about the size of the table we were occupying. He obviously missed the
sign that indicated the table was reserved for the club and probably
didn't know the meeting was not yet at hand. I guess sometimes people
speak and don't think, or speak after thinking... only their thoughts
are a little on the short side of intelligent. Anyway. The table did in
fact fill up with Walter, Bill, Tony, Patrick and Matthew all in
attendance. 
 
Walter gave a financial report. Currently $800.79 resides in the clubs
account.
 
Bill addressed an upcoming PBOC trip to Amazing Maze. The trip will be
on September 22nd and Bill and Jacqui and anyone else I presume that
wants to will lead a group of people from the outdoor club to and
through parts of Amazing Maze. 
 
Matthew gave a report on the recent trip to Wen Cave and Christmas Tree
Cave in CCNP. Bill gave some history on the caves and recent pictures
from the trip were shown on a laptop. Trips to Chimney and Helen's Cave
were discussed and will be planned in the not to distant future. Patrick
commented a recent job change should allow him to make more caving
trips.
 
Bill gave a report on the National Convention. He gave more of a report
on the storm than the actual convention but lamented that those earning
awards were not appropriately recognized because the distraction that
the storm presented.
 
A large portion of the meeting was spent discussing access to a large
cave in West Texas. Prior to the meeting much time had been spent trying
to figure out if the PBSS might establish a relationship with the West
Texas land owner. At meeting time we were hopeful to get into the cave.
Since meeting time we have learned that relationships with the landowner
are very dynamic and access will be tricky. 
 
The meeting closed at 7:41.
 
Matthew Ormsby
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texascavers Digest 17 Aug 2012 17:56:33 -0000 Issue 1609

2012-08-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help 

texascavers Digest 17 Aug 2012 17:56:33 - Issue 1609

Topics (messages 20543 through 20548):

Kiwi Sink Dig
20543 by: Ernest Garza

TCC CAVE DAY  Saturday September 15th
20544 by: Mike Walsh

Lost/ found
20545 by: Mallory Mayeux

Honey Creek Cave Tank Haul! Haulers Needed January 19th & 26th
20546 by: ellie watson

Sunday Swim
20547 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com

off topic - retirement
20548 by: Logan McNatt

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Hey Diggers,

There are 6-7 empty barrels to fill, come by on by Sunday, Aug. 19 at late 
morning and help us dig. A tarp will shield us from the sun, 
the digging is excellent, we are close to  the North Passage. Bring lunch, 
gloves and a helmet (we have a couple extras). After the dig, 
we may go for a cool swim.
Park at 444 Billie Brooks Ln, Driftwood, between Kyle and Wimberly.  Pit is 
across the street, Call Ernie at (512)847-0183 for more details.

-Ernie--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Two times a year the Texas Cave Conservancy hosts an open house for the
public to learn about caves, cave life and the aquifer as related to caves.
They are held each year in April and in September on the Saturday closest to
the 15th of the month.  This year, the TCC CAVE DAY will be on Saturday
-September 15, 2012.  We have had over two thousand visitors at a CAVE Day.
We always need cavers to assist in this public education effort.  We never
have had enough staff to present our best information.  Each year, we have a
number of cavers come out to the TCC Headquarters, stay in the campground
and go caving here in the Cedar Park, Texas area.  We never have enough
caver support for CAVE DAY.  We may have to hire non-cavers to assist us in
this event in the future. Please let us know if you can assist.  You will be
welcome to stay at the campground and we will even buy food and beer that
evening.  To the cavers that have come out and assisted, we send our thanks.
To those cavers that have assisted in the past and have been burned out by
too few workers, we say Thank you-Thank you for being there when we really
needed you.  We will need workers to take visitors into both Avery Ranch
Cave and the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave.  Last April, we had over 2000
visitors inside the two caves.  This time, we have been forced to conduct No
publicity efforts except for our web site.  That may reduce the number of
visitors and make it easier for our staff.  For additional information on
CAVE DAY, check out our great web site at Texascavers.org/   Since we put
ithe web site online in April 2010, we have had over 653,000 hits.  Once
again, to everyone that has helped make the Texas Cave Conservancy a great
organization.  Thank you.

 

 

 

Mike Walsh

 

President -Texas Cave Conservancy

 

512-249-2283

 

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Is anyone missing a red energizer-brand headlamp that may have somehow ended up 
with me?

Also, has anyone run across a Princeton quad that does not belong to them? I'm 
missing a couple.

Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Texas Cavers,

Its time for another Honey Creek Tank Haul and we need cavers to help
haul dive gear on January 19th and January 26th for legendary
cave-divers Dr. Jean Krejca and James Brown. This is an
all-time-classic trip to an extraordinary cave and one of my personal
favorites! I am keeping the list of those interested please let me
know which dates you can make it. We already have 4 signed up but we
need many more!

Cavers are needed on January 19th to haul gear to Sump 1 for Jean and
James to begin their 2-day underground camp/exploration. On January
26th, cavers are needed to go to Sump 1 and haul gear out of the cave.
Camping is available both weekends and we will enter the cave around
9am.

Honey Creek is a water cave and you will need a wetsuit and harness
with d-ring to be lowered on cable down a man-made shaft. I recommend
flotation and water-tight food containers. The trip to the sump
typically takes 6 hours and includes walking, salamandering, crawling,
and "The Mud and The Crud". The trip is challenging but very fun.

Come for one weekend or both. This is a definite must-do trip for any
new caver and if you have already visited the cave, you know it's
worth seeing again.

Spread the word and please don't hesitate to ask me any questions,

Cavingly,

Ellie Watson
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--- Begin Message ---
The last Sunday Swim this year at Pete & Jocie's pond will be Sunday, 
August 26th, 2:00 - 6:00 or so. Bring snacks and drinks to share, (or not). For 
info, call (don't text) Pete at 512-897-9235.
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15

[SWR] Hueco Tanks Pictograph Restoration Show

2012-08-17 Thread Mark Minton 
Texas Parks and Wildlife will air a show on October 21-27 
about using a high-tech method to remove graffiti and restore 
pictographs at Hueco Tanks.  There is a teaser for the show at 
.


Mark

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Re: [Texascavers] Hueco Tanks Pictograph Restoration Show

2012-08-17 Thread Nancy Weaver 
Texas Parks and Wildlife will air a show on October 21-27 
about using a high-tech method to remove graffiti and restore 
pictographs at Hueco Tanks.



so pictographs arent grafitti . . .

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[Texascavers] off topic - retirement

2012-08-17 Thread Logan McNatt 
I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15th, after 18+ years of working there (1972-1976 part-time; 1996-2012).  If you 
have my TPWD work email address and phone #, please be sure to delete them from your address book/contacts.  They don't work anymore (like me, 
for now).


I've sent evites to some of you for my retirement party, but know that I've missed a lot of you who will want to come.  It will be a mix of 
cavers, archeologists, TPWD folks, and other friends.  So here's the info:


Saturday August 25th, 2012  5:30 to 11:30 p.m.
Zilker Clubhouse  west of Zilker Park and Loop 1/Mopac, off Rollingwood Drive   
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?address=200%20Zilker%20Clubhouse%20Rd&city=Austin&state=TX&zipcode=78746

beer, music, fire-dancer, champion kite flyer provided
potluck

Here's how my new life of retirement is going so far.

_Day 1_: Calendar says "SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
5:30 a.m.  woke up
6:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight  on computer and phone answering messages most of day; wash dishes; feeble attempts to clean house;  put tarp on 
roof to last until roofers come on Aug 28th;


_Day 2_   Calendar says "SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING"
9:00 a.m.  woke up, making rapid progress in adjusting to new lifestyle

Onward Through the Fog,

LowGun
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512-462-9581

[Texascavers] Oregon does too have significant cave life

2012-08-17 Thread Louise Power 

Entirely new family of arachnids was discovered south of Grants Pass area
 

A new family of spiders, called Trogloraptor marchingtoni, has been discovered 
in caves south of Grants Pass. They are about the size of a 50-cent piece. 
Photo courtesy Joel Ledford, California Academy of the SciencesJoel Ledford, 
Calif Academy Of T
 
August 17, 2012 

By Paul Fattig
Mail Tribune
 
Arachnophobes beware: A new family of spiders has been discovered in two caves 
south of Grants Pass.
The new species of Josephine County cave-dwelling arachnid has been given the 
scientific moniker of Trogloraptor marchingtoni in honor of Neil Marchington, a 
self-taught biologist and spelunker who helped bring the caves and its 
eight-legged residents to the attention of the scientific community.
"It's exciting to be part of a whole new discovery of spiders," said 
Marchington, 31, of Bend, the son of retired Medford teachers Scott 
Marchington, now of La Pine, and Sally Marchington of Medford.
"It's remarkable, really amazing, to think you were in a group that discovered 
an undiscovered species in the Grants Pass area," added Neil Marchington, a 
deputy sheriff in Deschutes County when he isn't spelunking.
Marchington is a member of the Western Cave Conservancy who, along with 
graduate student Tracy Audisio of San Francisco State University and others, 
helped bring attention to the spider. Dead specimens were collected in 2010, 
followed by live samples last year.
"We think this is a pretty historic moment in arachnology," said entomologist 
Charles Griswold, 61, an internationally known spider expert at the California 
Academy of Sciences in San Francisco.
"This spider is so evolutionarily different we had to propose a new family name 
to contain it," he added of Trogloraptor, Latin for "cave robber."
One of the caves is on private land; the other is on U.S. Bureau of Land 
Management property. Those studying the spiders have requested the sites not be 
named out of concern that visitors could damage the fragile underground 
environment.
The BLM issued permits for the 2010 and 2011 scientific expeditions into its 
cave, said Robin Snider, a biologist with the agency's Medford District.
"It was nice for us to have these people come in to study these invertebrates — 
we don't have the skills they have," she said.
The agency's goal is to protect the cave from vandalism, she said, noting it is 
very sensitive to intrusion.
"These spiders are in their own environment, their own microclimate," she said. 
"We want to protect that."
Griswold, along with Audisio and postdoctoral researcher Joel Ledford at the 
University of California-Davis, have written a paper that has been accepted for 
publication in ZooKeys, a major zoology publication.
When Audisio first brought in a specimen, no one at the academy had any idea 
what the creature was, Griswold recalled.
"We consulted all the standard reference works — it didn't fit into any known 
family, living or fossil," he said, noting that detailed studies of its anatomy 
and DNA also determined the spindly spider about the size of a 50-cent piece 
was new to the world of science.
"We now want to continue the research on its evolutionary position," he said. 
"How does it use those trap-like feet to capture its prey? Their claws are 
long, looking like a scythe or a switchblade knife. We know they make a little 
web and hang beneath it.
"But it has no obvious cave adaptation," he added. "It has functional eyes, but 
they probably enable them only to see the difference between light and dark."
Since that discovery, a different species of Trogloraptor was discovered living 
in the redwood forest of Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, he said.
But Griswold, who found one of the spiders while visiting the caves in 
Josephine County last summer, said the underground caverns are special.
"We know these caves harbor unique organisms that are very fragile," he said. 
"And there may be other unique organisms to be discovered in these caves."
Marchington also stressed the importance of preserving the sensitive ecosystem 
of the caves.
"It's important people realize anything they do in caves has an impact," he 
said. "We need to be very mindful of what we do and how we protect these 
places."
However, given the fact the spiders aren't warm and fuzzy looking, Marchington 
doesn't think a lot of people will want to be around them.
"At one point when we were collecting them — I was crawling on my back — and 
one dropped off the ceiling," he said.
"I screamed."
Reach reporter Paul Fattig at 541-776-4496 or email him at 
pfat...@mailtribune.com.   

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[SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Jen. 
In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html___
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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread germanyj 

I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation



In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.



http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html



 
 
  
 
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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Ken Harrington 

Hopefully someone who attends can provide a recap on the SWR for those of us 
who can not attend.
Ken

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the 
rain. 
 



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From: germa...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:54:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation




In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.



http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html




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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread R D Milhollin 
Perhaps the new report to be presented will help to substantiate the statement 
in the article:

"The disease’s spores can hitchhike on visitors’ footwear and clothing and 
spread from cave-to-cave."


Maybe I am not up to date on this but I don't remember this assertion being 
verified to date.



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To: bigredfo...@yahoo.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation
 


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html___
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[SWR] August Meeting Notes

2012-08-17 Thread Ormsby, Matthew A 
Meeting Notes August 14th, 2012
 
The August Meeting of the PBSS open at 7:02pm, 10 minutes after a
opinionated and probably near sighted individual commented to Tony and I
about the size of the table we were occupying. He obviously missed the
sign that indicated the table was reserved for the club and probably
didn't know the meeting was not yet at hand. I guess sometimes people
speak and don't think, or speak after thinking... only their thoughts
are a little on the short side of intelligent. Anyway. The table did in
fact fill up with Walter, Bill, Tony, Patrick and Matthew all in
attendance. 
 
Walter gave a financial report. Currently $800.79 resides in the clubs
account.
 
Bill addressed an upcoming PBOC trip to Amazing Maze. The trip will be
on September 22nd and Bill and Jacqui and anyone else I presume that
wants to will lead a group of people from the outdoor club to and
through parts of Amazing Maze. 
 
Matthew gave a report on the recent trip to Wen Cave and Christmas Tree
Cave in CCNP. Bill gave some history on the caves and recent pictures
from the trip were shown on a laptop. Trips to Chimney and Helen's Cave
were discussed and will be planned in the not to distant future. Patrick
commented a recent job change should allow him to make more caving
trips.
 
Bill gave a report on the National Convention. He gave more of a report
on the storm than the actual convention but lamented that those earning
awards were not appropriately recognized because the distraction that
the storm presented.
 
A large portion of the meeting was spent discussing access to a large
cave in West Texas. Prior to the meeting much time had been spent trying
to figure out if the PBSS might establish a relationship with the West
Texas land owner. At meeting time we were hopeful to get into the cave.
Since meeting time we have learned that relationships with the landowner
are very dynamic and access will be tricky. 
 
The meeting closed at 7:41.
 
Matthew Ormsby
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texascavers Digest 17 Aug 2012 17:56:33 -0000 Issue 1609

2012-08-17 Thread texascavers-digest-help 

texascavers Digest 17 Aug 2012 17:56:33 - Issue 1609

Topics (messages 20543 through 20548):

Kiwi Sink Dig
20543 by: Ernest Garza

TCC CAVE DAY  Saturday September 15th
20544 by: Mike Walsh

Lost/ found
20545 by: Mallory Mayeux

Honey Creek Cave Tank Haul! Haulers Needed January 19th & 26th
20546 by: ellie watson

Sunday Swim
20547 by: pstrickland1.austin.rr.com

off topic - retirement
20548 by: Logan McNatt

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Hey Diggers,

There are 6-7 empty barrels to fill, come by on by Sunday, Aug. 19 at late 
morning and help us dig. A tarp will shield us from the sun, 
the digging is excellent, we are close to  the North Passage. Bring lunch, 
gloves and a helmet (we have a couple extras). After the dig, 
we may go for a cool swim.
Park at 444 Billie Brooks Ln, Driftwood, between Kyle and Wimberly.  Pit is 
across the street, Call Ernie at (512)847-0183 for more details.

-Ernie--- End Message ---
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Two times a year the Texas Cave Conservancy hosts an open house for the
public to learn about caves, cave life and the aquifer as related to caves.
They are held each year in April and in September on the Saturday closest to
the 15th of the month.  This year, the TCC CAVE DAY will be on Saturday
-September 15, 2012.  We have had over two thousand visitors at a CAVE Day.
We always need cavers to assist in this public education effort.  We never
have had enough staff to present our best information.  Each year, we have a
number of cavers come out to the TCC Headquarters, stay in the campground
and go caving here in the Cedar Park, Texas area.  We never have enough
caver support for CAVE DAY.  We may have to hire non-cavers to assist us in
this event in the future. Please let us know if you can assist.  You will be
welcome to stay at the campground and we will even buy food and beer that
evening.  To the cavers that have come out and assisted, we send our thanks.
To those cavers that have assisted in the past and have been burned out by
too few workers, we say Thank you-Thank you for being there when we really
needed you.  We will need workers to take visitors into both Avery Ranch
Cave and the Dies Ranch Treasure Cave.  Last April, we had over 2000
visitors inside the two caves.  This time, we have been forced to conduct No
publicity efforts except for our web site.  That may reduce the number of
visitors and make it easier for our staff.  For additional information on
CAVE DAY, check out our great web site at Texascavers.org/   Since we put
ithe web site online in April 2010, we have had over 653,000 hits.  Once
again, to everyone that has helped make the Texas Cave Conservancy a great
organization.  Thank you.

 

 

 

Mike Walsh

 

President -Texas Cave Conservancy

 

512-249-2283

 

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Is anyone missing a red energizer-brand headlamp that may have somehow ended up 
with me?

Also, has anyone run across a Princeton quad that does not belong to them? I'm 
missing a couple.

Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone--- End Message ---
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Texas Cavers,

Its time for another Honey Creek Tank Haul and we need cavers to help
haul dive gear on January 19th and January 26th for legendary
cave-divers Dr. Jean Krejca and James Brown. This is an
all-time-classic trip to an extraordinary cave and one of my personal
favorites! I am keeping the list of those interested please let me
know which dates you can make it. We already have 4 signed up but we
need many more!

Cavers are needed on January 19th to haul gear to Sump 1 for Jean and
James to begin their 2-day underground camp/exploration. On January
26th, cavers are needed to go to Sump 1 and haul gear out of the cave.
Camping is available both weekends and we will enter the cave around
9am.

Honey Creek is a water cave and you will need a wetsuit and harness
with d-ring to be lowered on cable down a man-made shaft. I recommend
flotation and water-tight food containers. The trip to the sump
typically takes 6 hours and includes walking, salamandering, crawling,
and "The Mud and The Crud". The trip is challenging but very fun.

Come for one weekend or both. This is a definite must-do trip for any
new caver and if you have already visited the cave, you know it's
worth seeing again.

Spread the word and please don't hesitate to ask me any questions,

Cavingly,

Ellie Watson
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The last Sunday Swim this year at Pete & Jocie's pond will be Sunday, 
August 26th, 2:00 - 6:00 or so. Bring snacks and drinks to share, (or not). For 
info, call (don't text) Pete at 512-897-9235.
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I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15

[SWR] Hueco Tanks Pictograph Restoration Show

2012-08-17 Thread Mark Minton 
Texas Parks and Wildlife will air a show on October 21-27 
about using a high-tech method to remove graffiti and restore 
pictographs at Hueco Tanks.  There is a teaser for the show at 
.


Mark

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Re: [Texascavers] Hueco Tanks Pictograph Restoration Show

2012-08-17 Thread Nancy Weaver 
Texas Parks and Wildlife will air a show on October 21-27 
about using a high-tech method to remove graffiti and restore 
pictographs at Hueco Tanks.



so pictographs arent grafitti . . .

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[Texascavers] off topic - retirement

2012-08-17 Thread Logan McNatt 
I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15th, after 18+ years of working there (1972-1976 part-time; 1996-2012).  If you 
have my TPWD work email address and phone #, please be sure to delete them from your address book/contacts.  They don't work anymore (like me, 
for now).


I've sent evites to some of you for my retirement party, but know that I've missed a lot of you who will want to come.  It will be a mix of 
cavers, archeologists, TPWD folks, and other friends.  So here's the info:


Saturday August 25th, 2012  5:30 to 11:30 p.m.
Zilker Clubhouse  west of Zilker Park and Loop 1/Mopac, off Rollingwood Drive   
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?address=200%20Zilker%20Clubhouse%20Rd&city=Austin&state=TX&zipcode=78746

beer, music, fire-dancer, champion kite flyer provided
potluck

Here's how my new life of retirement is going so far.

_Day 1_: Calendar says "SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING".
5:30 a.m.  woke up
6:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight  on computer and phone answering messages most of day; wash dishes; feeble attempts to clean house;  put tarp on 
roof to last until roofers come on Aug 28th;


_Day 2_   Calendar says "SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING"
9:00 a.m.  woke up, making rapid progress in adjusting to new lifestyle

Onward Through the Fog,

LowGun
4419 Clawson Rd
Austin, TX  78745-1039
512-462-9581

[Texascavers] Oregon does too have significant cave life

2012-08-17 Thread Louise Power 

Entirely new family of arachnids was discovered south of Grants Pass area
 

A new family of spiders, called Trogloraptor marchingtoni, has been discovered 
in caves south of Grants Pass. They are about the size of a 50-cent piece. 
Photo courtesy Joel Ledford, California Academy of the SciencesJoel Ledford, 
Calif Academy Of T
 
August 17, 2012 

By Paul Fattig
Mail Tribune
 
Arachnophobes beware: A new family of spiders has been discovered in two caves 
south of Grants Pass.
The new species of Josephine County cave-dwelling arachnid has been given the 
scientific moniker of Trogloraptor marchingtoni in honor of Neil Marchington, a 
self-taught biologist and spelunker who helped bring the caves and its 
eight-legged residents to the attention of the scientific community.
"It's exciting to be part of a whole new discovery of spiders," said 
Marchington, 31, of Bend, the son of retired Medford teachers Scott 
Marchington, now of La Pine, and Sally Marchington of Medford.
"It's remarkable, really amazing, to think you were in a group that discovered 
an undiscovered species in the Grants Pass area," added Neil Marchington, a 
deputy sheriff in Deschutes County when he isn't spelunking.
Marchington is a member of the Western Cave Conservancy who, along with 
graduate student Tracy Audisio of San Francisco State University and others, 
helped bring attention to the spider. Dead specimens were collected in 2010, 
followed by live samples last year.
"We think this is a pretty historic moment in arachnology," said entomologist 
Charles Griswold, 61, an internationally known spider expert at the California 
Academy of Sciences in San Francisco.
"This spider is so evolutionarily different we had to propose a new family name 
to contain it," he added of Trogloraptor, Latin for "cave robber."
One of the caves is on private land; the other is on U.S. Bureau of Land 
Management property. Those studying the spiders have requested the sites not be 
named out of concern that visitors could damage the fragile underground 
environment.
The BLM issued permits for the 2010 and 2011 scientific expeditions into its 
cave, said Robin Snider, a biologist with the agency's Medford District.
"It was nice for us to have these people come in to study these invertebrates — 
we don't have the skills they have," she said.
The agency's goal is to protect the cave from vandalism, she said, noting it is 
very sensitive to intrusion.
"These spiders are in their own environment, their own microclimate," she said. 
"We want to protect that."
Griswold, along with Audisio and postdoctoral researcher Joel Ledford at the 
University of California-Davis, have written a paper that has been accepted for 
publication in ZooKeys, a major zoology publication.
When Audisio first brought in a specimen, no one at the academy had any idea 
what the creature was, Griswold recalled.
"We consulted all the standard reference works — it didn't fit into any known 
family, living or fossil," he said, noting that detailed studies of its anatomy 
and DNA also determined the spindly spider about the size of a 50-cent piece 
was new to the world of science.
"We now want to continue the research on its evolutionary position," he said. 
"How does it use those trap-like feet to capture its prey? Their claws are 
long, looking like a scythe or a switchblade knife. We know they make a little 
web and hang beneath it.
"But it has no obvious cave adaptation," he added. "It has functional eyes, but 
they probably enable them only to see the difference between light and dark."
Since that discovery, a different species of Trogloraptor was discovered living 
in the redwood forest of Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, he said.
But Griswold, who found one of the spiders while visiting the caves in 
Josephine County last summer, said the underground caverns are special.
"We know these caves harbor unique organisms that are very fragile," he said. 
"And there may be other unique organisms to be discovered in these caves."
Marchington also stressed the importance of preserving the sensitive ecosystem 
of the caves.
"It's important people realize anything they do in caves has an impact," he 
said. "We need to be very mindful of what we do and how we protect these 
places."
However, given the fact the spiders aren't warm and fuzzy looking, Marchington 
doesn't think a lot of people will want to be around them.
"At one point when we were collecting them — I was crawling on my back — and 
one dropped off the ceiling," he said.
"I screamed."
Reach reporter Paul Fattig at 541-776-4496 or email him at 
pfat...@mailtribune.com.   

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[SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Jen. 
In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread germanyj 

I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation



In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.



http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html



 
 
  
 
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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread Ken Harrington 

Hopefully someone who attends can provide a recap on the SWR for those of us 
who can not attend.
Ken

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rain. 
 



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From: germa...@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:54:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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From: Jen. 
To: swr 
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation




In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.



http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html




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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

2012-08-17 Thread R D Milhollin 
Perhaps the new report to be presented will help to substantiate the statement 
in the article:

"The disease’s spores can hitchhike on visitors’ footwear and clothing and 
spread from cave-to-cave."


Maybe I am not up to date on this but I don't remember this assertion being 
verified to date.



 From: "germa...@aol.com" 
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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation
 


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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From: Jen. 
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Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


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