[Texascavers] Caving in California, be careful!

[Logan McNatt]

Just ran across this:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/14/16962764-cave-full-of-weapons-discovered-by-california-deputies



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[Texascavers] Caving in California, be careful!

[Logan McNatt]

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[Texascavers] Caving in California, be careful!

[Logan McNatt]

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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/14/16962764-cave-full-of-weapons-discovered-by-california-deputies



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Re: [Texascavers] RFID Credit Cards

[Brian Vauter]

Just as an FYI (and I can't believe this thread is still going)

Within the business of taking credit cards at NBC, I have been told by two
software vendors and one processor that chip-and-pin will be coming to the
US around 2015. If you are a merchant, this will likely mean you'll need to
purchase a new credit card swipe as many of the current ones are not set up
to deal with chip/pin.

This is going to the two-point security model: "something you have" and
"something you know." By moving to this level of security, it becomes more
difficult for a miscreant to use a credit card. Your PIN is not stored on
the card (hopefully you won't store it in your wallet/purse).

There's also "something you are" but I've yet to figure out what that might
entail (biometric maybe?).

-Brian

Re: [Texascavers] RFID Credit Cards

[Brian Vauter]

Just as an FYI (and I can't believe this thread is still going)

Within the business of taking credit cards at NBC, I have been told by two
software vendors and one processor that chip-and-pin will be coming to the
US around 2015. If you are a merchant, this will likely mean you'll need to
purchase a new credit card swipe as many of the current ones are not set up
to deal with chip/pin.

This is going to the two-point security model: "something you have" and
"something you know." By moving to this level of security, it becomes more
difficult for a miscreant to use a credit card. Your PIN is not stored on
the card (hopefully you won't store it in your wallet/purse).

There's also "something you are" but I've yet to figure out what that might
entail (biometric maybe?).

-Brian

Re: [Texascavers] RFID Credit Cards

[Brian Vauter]

Just as an FYI (and I can't believe this thread is still going)

Within the business of taking credit cards at NBC, I have been told by two
software vendors and one processor that chip-and-pin will be coming to the
US around 2015. If you are a merchant, this will likely mean you'll need to
purchase a new credit card swipe as many of the current ones are not set up
to deal with chip/pin.

This is going to the two-point security model: "something you have" and
"something you know." By moving to this level of security, it becomes more
difficult for a miscreant to use a credit card. Your PIN is not stored on
the card (hopefully you won't store it in your wallet/purse).

There's also "something you are" but I've yet to figure out what that might
entail (biometric maybe?).

-Brian

[Texascavers] Bob Cowell

[Jenni Arburn]

All - 

Bob is getting through his treatment Bob Style. He's in good spirits, positive, 
nearly done with chemo and only a few more weeks of radiation. He's lost a 
"bit" of weight, but we can fatten him up some when he gets through all this. 
MaryAnn is hanging tough with him as is are their Girls. Keep up the positive 
thoughts - they know we are all thinking of them. 

Jenni
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[Texascavers] Bob Cowell

[Jenni Arburn]

All - 

Bob is getting through his treatment Bob Style. He's in good spirits, positive, 
nearly done with chemo and only a few more weeks of radiation. He's lost a 
"bit" of weight, but we can fatten him up some when he gets through all this. 
MaryAnn is hanging tough with him as is are their Girls. Keep up the positive 
thoughts - they know we are all thinking of them. 

Jenni
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[Texascavers] Bob Cowell

[Jenni Arburn]

All - 

Bob is getting through his treatment Bob Style. He's in good spirits, positive, 
nearly done with chemo and only a few more weeks of radiation. He's lost a 
"bit" of weight, but we can fatten him up some when he gets through all this. 
MaryAnn is hanging tough with him as is are their Girls. Keep up the positive 
thoughts - they know we are all thinking of them. 

Jenni
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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards

[Don Cooper]

The basic RFID system is a simple transponder.
All it does is enables the chip to transmit a number when scanned.
That number is essentially an indexing string of data which contains
no personal information.
Out of the context of the process of the read - the number has no
significance.  Plus - that context has deeply embedded encryption
algorithms based on time, location and date - which are called "one
way ciphers".
Credit cards can store other information on the magnetic strip -
including your name but never a PIN - some contain only a number.

Don't Panic.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Justin Haynes  wrote:
> If you are concerned about malicious attackers harvesting personal
> information from your rfid enabled cards, these stainless steel wallets
> help.  I have one and i like it.  It is made out of a stainless steel mesh
> is flexibke and feels sort of silky because it is a very fine weave:
>
> http://www.stewartstand.com/
>
> On Feb 10, 2013 4:28 PM, "Terry Holsinger"  wrote:
>>
>> Ted, you are referring to the "Chip and Pin" cards aka EMV smart card,
>> chip card, or integrated circuit card (ICC). The chip is best thought of as
>> a small USB drive and the visible surface of the chip on the card is how the
>> card reader physically accesses the data (you account number and the valid
>> PIN) stored there to verify as valid use of the card IN PERSON. Been in use
>> since the late 80's.
>>
>> FYI here in the USA in 2005, American Express introduced ExpressPay,
>> similar to MasterCard PayPass and Visa payWave. All are contactless payment
>> system based on wireless RFID. So your CC might have a RFID in them already
>> since your last card renewal.
>>
>> Terry H.
>>
>> On 2/10/2013 5:59 AM, Ted Samsel wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't most credit cards used in the EU have them? My colleagues who
>>> pursue
>>> academic careers over there say their cards have a special chip in them.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Gill Ediger  wrote:
>>>
 My passport does. Who knows what kind of information is on that?
 --Ediger

 --
 *From:* John Lyles
 *To:* s...@caver.net
 *Sent:* Sat, February 9, 2013 3:52:07 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards

 There has been some local chatter about someone in Albuqueque who has a
 briefcase who can walk among (close) to people with cards having that RF
 chip, and download their information. I know some people who have bought
 foil sleeves that cover the card and block RF access to the chip. My
 cards
 don't have the RFID in them, thank goodness, as I would zap them to
 smithereens at work anyhow.(!)
 jtml


 On 2/8/13 10:39 AM, Mark Minton wrote:
>
>   Not caving related, but could affect everyone.  Scary.
> 
>

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards

[Don Cooper]

The basic RFID system is a simple transponder.
All it does is enables the chip to transmit a number when scanned.
That number is essentially an indexing string of data which contains
no personal information.
Out of the context of the process of the read - the number has no
significance.  Plus - that context has deeply embedded encryption
algorithms based on time, location and date - which are called "one
way ciphers".
Credit cards can store other information on the magnetic strip -
including your name but never a PIN - some contain only a number.

Don't Panic.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Justin Haynes  wrote:
> If you are concerned about malicious attackers harvesting personal
> information from your rfid enabled cards, these stainless steel wallets
> help.  I have one and i like it.  It is made out of a stainless steel mesh
> is flexibke and feels sort of silky because it is a very fine weave:
>
> http://www.stewartstand.com/
>
> On Feb 10, 2013 4:28 PM, "Terry Holsinger"  wrote:
>>
>> Ted, you are referring to the "Chip and Pin" cards aka EMV smart card,
>> chip card, or integrated circuit card (ICC). The chip is best thought of as
>> a small USB drive and the visible surface of the chip on the card is how the
>> card reader physically accesses the data (you account number and the valid
>> PIN) stored there to verify as valid use of the card IN PERSON. Been in use
>> since the late 80's.
>>
>> FYI here in the USA in 2005, American Express introduced ExpressPay,
>> similar to MasterCard PayPass and Visa payWave. All are contactless payment
>> system based on wireless RFID. So your CC might have a RFID in them already
>> since your last card renewal.
>>
>> Terry H.
>>
>> On 2/10/2013 5:59 AM, Ted Samsel wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't most credit cards used in the EU have them? My colleagues who
>>> pursue
>>> academic careers over there say their cards have a special chip in them.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Gill Ediger  wrote:
>>>
 My passport does. Who knows what kind of information is on that?
 --Ediger

 --
 *From:* John Lyles
 *To:* s...@caver.net
 *Sent:* Sat, February 9, 2013 3:52:07 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards

 There has been some local chatter about someone in Albuqueque who has a
 briefcase who can walk among (close) to people with cards having that RF
 chip, and download their information. I know some people who have bought
 foil sleeves that cover the card and block RF access to the chip. My
 cards
 don't have the RFID in them, thank goodness, as I would zap them to
 smithereens at work anyhow.(!)
 jtml


 On 2/8/13 10:39 AM, Mark Minton wrote:
>
>   Not caving related, but could affect everyone.  Scary.
> 
>

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards

[Don Cooper]

The basic RFID system is a simple transponder.
All it does is enables the chip to transmit a number when scanned.
That number is essentially an indexing string of data which contains
no personal information.
Out of the context of the process of the read - the number has no
significance.  Plus - that context has deeply embedded encryption
algorithms based on time, location and date - which are called "one
way ciphers".
Credit cards can store other information on the magnetic strip -
including your name but never a PIN - some contain only a number.

Don't Panic.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Justin Haynes  wrote:
> If you are concerned about malicious attackers harvesting personal
> information from your rfid enabled cards, these stainless steel wallets
> help.  I have one and i like it.  It is made out of a stainless steel mesh
> is flexibke and feels sort of silky because it is a very fine weave:
>
> http://www.stewartstand.com/
>
> On Feb 10, 2013 4:28 PM, "Terry Holsinger"  wrote:
>>
>> Ted, you are referring to the "Chip and Pin" cards aka EMV smart card,
>> chip card, or integrated circuit card (ICC). The chip is best thought of as
>> a small USB drive and the visible surface of the chip on the card is how the
>> card reader physically accesses the data (you account number and the valid
>> PIN) stored there to verify as valid use of the card IN PERSON. Been in use
>> since the late 80's.
>>
>> FYI here in the USA in 2005, American Express introduced ExpressPay,
>> similar to MasterCard PayPass and Visa payWave. All are contactless payment
>> system based on wireless RFID. So your CC might have a RFID in them already
>> since your last card renewal.
>>
>> Terry H.
>>
>> On 2/10/2013 5:59 AM, Ted Samsel wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't most credit cards used in the EU have them? My colleagues who
>>> pursue
>>> academic careers over there say their cards have a special chip in them.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Gill Ediger  wrote:
>>>
 My passport does. Who knows what kind of information is on that?
 --Ediger

 --
 *From:* John Lyles
 *To:* s...@caver.net
 *Sent:* Sat, February 9, 2013 3:52:07 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [SWR] RFID Credit Cards

 There has been some local chatter about someone in Albuqueque who has a
 briefcase who can walk among (close) to people with cards having that RF
 chip, and download their information. I know some people who have bought
 foil sleeves that cover the card and block RF access to the chip. My
 cards
 don't have the RFID in them, thank goodness, as I would zap them to
 smithereens at work anyhow.(!)
 jtml


 On 2/8/13 10:39 AM, Mark Minton wrote:
>
>   Not caving related, but could affect everyone.  Scary.
> 
>

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RE: [Texascavers] Crash

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RE: [Texascavers] Crash

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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2013 19:03:36 -0000 Issue 1708

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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2013 19:03:36 - Issue 1708

Topics (messages 21314 through 21316):

Off Topic: Jobs
21314 by: Gary McDaniel

Re: [SWR] Let's go chthoning!
21315 by: Ted Samsel

Crash
21316 by: tom rogers

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--- Begin Message ---
 I'm looking at moving back to San Antonio or Austin. If anyone knows
of any welding jobs I'd appreciate the leads.

   Sorry about the off topic message

Gary Mc
Texican in Exile
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Chthoners baffle cavers.

Ted


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Corcoran
wrote:

> Thanks George and Karen!  I will have to start using the adjectival form
> but will resist making it into a verb (for now)…
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf
> Of *George Veni
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 10:46 AM
> *To:* New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers
> *Subject:* [SWR] Let’s go chthoning!
>
> ** **
>
> My wife Karen found and suggested I post this…
>
> ** **
>
> A.Word.A.Day
>
> with Anu Garg 
> chthonic 
>
> PRONUNCIATION:
>
> (THON-ik) [image: 
> http://wordsmith.org/words/images/sound-icon.png]
> 
>
> MEANING:
>
> *adjective*: Of or relating to the underworld. 
>
> ETYMOLOGY:
>
> From Greek chthon (earth). Ultimately from the Indo-European root dhghem-
> (earth), which also sprouted human, homicide, humble, homage, chameleon,
> chamomile, inhume , exhume, and
> Persian zamindar (landholder). Earliest documented use: 1882. 
>
> USAGE:
>
> "The earth's crust is riddled with unresolved tensions -- prod, pierce or
> bend it enough and these chthonic stresses will find sudden release." Notes
> from Underground; The Economist (London, UK); Apr 21, 2012. 
>
> Explore "chthonic " in the
> Visual Thesaurus. 
>
> A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
>
> To read fast is as bad as to eat in a hurry. -Vilhelm Ekelund, poet
> (1880-1949) 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> George Veni, Ph.D.
>
> Executive Director
>
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
>
> Office: 575-887-5517
>
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>
> Fax: 575-887-5523
>
> gv...@nckri.org
>
> www.nckri.org
>
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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2013 19:03:36 -0000 Issue 1708

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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2013 19:03:36 - Issue 1708

Topics (messages 21314 through 21316):

Off Topic: Jobs
21314 by: Gary McDaniel

Re: [SWR] Let's go chthoning!
21315 by: Ted Samsel

Crash
21316 by: tom rogers

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 I'm looking at moving back to San Antonio or Austin. If anyone knows
of any welding jobs I'd appreciate the leads.

   Sorry about the off topic message

Gary Mc
Texican in Exile
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Chthoners baffle cavers.

Ted


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Corcoran
wrote:

> Thanks George and Karen!  I will have to start using the adjectival form
> but will resist making it into a verb (for now)…
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf
> Of *George Veni
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 10:46 AM
> *To:* New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers
> *Subject:* [SWR] Let’s go chthoning!
>
> ** **
>
> My wife Karen found and suggested I post this…
>
> ** **
>
> A.Word.A.Day
>
> with Anu Garg 
> chthonic 
>
> PRONUNCIATION:
>
> (THON-ik) [image: 
> http://wordsmith.org/words/images/sound-icon.png]
> 
>
> MEANING:
>
> *adjective*: Of or relating to the underworld. 
>
> ETYMOLOGY:
>
> From Greek chthon (earth). Ultimately from the Indo-European root dhghem-
> (earth), which also sprouted human, homicide, humble, homage, chameleon,
> chamomile, inhume , exhume, and
> Persian zamindar (landholder). Earliest documented use: 1882. 
>
> USAGE:
>
> "The earth's crust is riddled with unresolved tensions -- prod, pierce or
> bend it enough and these chthonic stresses will find sudden release." Notes
> from Underground; The Economist (London, UK); Apr 21, 2012. 
>
> Explore "chthonic " in the
> Visual Thesaurus. 
>
> A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
>
> To read fast is as bad as to eat in a hurry. -Vilhelm Ekelund, poet
> (1880-1949) 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> 
>
> George Veni, Ph.D.
>
> Executive Director
>
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
>
> Office: 575-887-5517
>
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
>
> Fax: 575-887-5523
>
> gv...@nckri.org
>
> www.nckri.org
>
> ** **
>
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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2013 19:03:36 -0000 Issue 1708

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texascavers Digest 17 Feb 2013 19:03:36 - Issue 1708

Topics (messages 21314 through 21316):

Off Topic: Jobs
21314 by: Gary McDaniel

Re: [SWR] Let's go chthoning!
21315 by: Ted Samsel

Crash
21316 by: tom rogers

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 I'm looking at moving back to San Antonio or Austin. If anyone knows
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   Sorry about the off topic message

Gary Mc
Texican in Exile
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Chthoners baffle cavers.

Ted


On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Corcoran
wrote:

> Thanks George and Karen!  I will have to start using the adjectival form
> but will resist making it into a verb (for now)…
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> John
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf
> Of *George Veni
> *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2013 10:46 AM
> *To:* New Mexico Cavers; Texas Cavers
> *Subject:* [SWR] Let’s go chthoning!
>
> ** **
>
> My wife Karen found and suggested I post this…
>
> ** **
>
> A.Word.A.Day
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> chthonic 
>
> PRONUNCIATION:
>
> (THON-ik) [image: 
> http://wordsmith.org/words/images/sound-icon.png]
> 
>
> MEANING:
>
> *adjective*: Of or relating to the underworld. 
>
> ETYMOLOGY:
>
> From Greek chthon (earth). Ultimately from the Indo-European root dhghem-
> (earth), which also sprouted human, homicide, humble, homage, chameleon,
> chamomile, inhume , exhume, and
> Persian zamindar (landholder). Earliest documented use: 1882. 
>
> USAGE:
>
> "The earth's crust is riddled with unresolved tensions -- prod, pierce or
> bend it enough and these chthonic stresses will find sudden release." Notes
> from Underground; The Economist (London, UK); Apr 21, 2012. 
>
> Explore "chthonic " in the
> Visual Thesaurus. 
>
> A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
>
> To read fast is as bad as to eat in a hurry. -Vilhelm Ekelund, poet
> (1880-1949) 
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