[Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting September 19th, remember the room location has changed!
Howdy Texas Cavers! This week at the UT Grotto meeting we have a cave diving double feature. Jean Krejca will share a video and commentary from the first upstream sump dive in Cave Without a Name and Laura Battle will be sharing a few photos, stories, and a short video from cave diving in the Yucatan this summer. Make sure to maintain slow even breaths during this presentations ;-) I'd also like to remind people that the room location for the UT Grotto meetings has changed. We will now be in Burdine 134. Follow this link to a map of where the building is located on the University of Texas campus: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see www.utgrotto.org Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour specials. This area is the best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the official meeting, we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com Cavingly, Andrea Croskrey UT Grotto Vice Chair
[SWR] Rappel of a 16 story bldg Sept 20
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Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
Yup! Agree. Solo requires planning and caution. It is unsafe but so is caving with a group. Jim Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:52 PM, wrote: > Just a couple of quotes that come to mind. > > > " Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous than > deliberately accepting risks " > > Wilber Wright 1901 > > > > "There have been joys too great to be described in words, and there have been > griefs upon which I have not dared to dwell, and with these in mind I say, > solo cave if you will, but remember that courage and strength are naught > without prudence, and that a momentary negligence may destroy the happiness > of a lifetime. Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the > beginning think what may be the end." > > Adapted from quote by Edward Whymper > > > > Rune > > -Original Message- From: James Jasek > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:20 PM > To: TexasCavers Tex > Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving > > What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about > solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to > 1000 feet crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs. > > James Jasek > > Sent from my iPhone > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
Just a couple of quotes that come to mind. " Carelessness and overconfidence are usually more dangerous than deliberately accepting risks " Wilber Wright 1901 "There have been joys too great to be described in words, and there have been griefs upon which I have not dared to dwell, and with these in mind I say, solo cave if you will, but remember that courage and strength are naught without prudence, and that a momentary negligence may destroy the happiness of a lifetime. Do nothing in haste, look well to each step and from the beginning think what may be the end." Adapted from quote by Edward Whymper Rune -Original Message- From: James Jasek Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:20 PM To: TexasCavers Tex Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to 1000 feet crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs. James Jasek Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] grad student position
Called to our attention by Laura Rosales. -- Mixon Subject: Grad Student Research Positions at the Univ of Arizona: Cave Collapse Evolution We are seeking graduate students to take on the research on the Limestone Cave Collapse Evolution project. Up to 3 years of NSF funding is available for either Masters or PhD students interested in participating in this Karst Geology and Geomechanics project. Read this news in full at Speleogenesis: www.speleogenesis.info/news/?id=275 A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
I think, James, that it is time to wind this down. Your justifications are approaching "encouraging others". >> It really goes without say (ing) anyone doing a solo trip make the >> necessary surface precautions Some folks who go caving alone do not want anyone to know what they are doing , where they are going, or where they have been. Some do not want to be found. >>> I never take the slightest risk< That is simply NOT true and you are dangerously fooling yourself if you actually believe it. Nothing we do is free of risk. You have made the personal decision that the risk you are taking is acceptable to you. DirtDoc
[Texascavers] Non-cave-related History events.
Avast Mateys, Just to remind you that Thursday, Sept 19, is International Talk Like a Pirate Day. Let those Arrrghs and avasts ring out underground. Also last Friday, Sept 13, was the 500th anniversary of Balboa's discovery of the Pacific Ocean. Granted, not the first person to have seen it, but the first of the Spanish explorers.
Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
It really goes without say anyone doing a solo trip make the necessary surface precautions to come looking for you after a prescribed time period. Even at time time the caver is to be out of the cave, it will be a fairly long time before a rescue is started. The trick is not have an accident. This sounds dumb, but think of the hundreds of times we have gone caving without a single problem. Solo is different? Only different in that one is alone. Every move, every step I make is calculated in a slow deliberate manner. I never jump, watch my head clearance, and pay attention where I am all the time in the cave. I never take the slightest risk, but them again I cave this way even today. Is solo safe? No! Jim Sent from my iPhone On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:05 PM, Steve Keselik wrote: > While this thread is still running I would like to reiterate,if you're going > to do some thing adventurous solo from caving,climbing,boating,hiking,biking > ,back country sking to useing a chain saw,leave a detailed note somewhere and > if you can have a contact person to call on your return all the better. A few > clues are better than none.And always wear a PFD on the water it saves a lot > of effort on the rescue/recovery team. > > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Louise Power > wrote: >> Love it. One Xmas/New Years trip to a cave in Mexico, my friend Michael and >> I and our half dozen newbies got caught in a bat exodus which lasted more >> than 45 min. We tried hunkering down in side passages trying to keep from >> getting pooped on--not entirely successfully. >> >> > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:25:32 -0400 >> > To: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; ca...@caver.net >> > From: pw...@dca.net >> > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com >> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving >> >> > >> > Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the >> > Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers >> > there anymore, but did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed >> > in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave >> > I figured I could at least check it out. >> > >> > So I drove up the valley, parked and walked across the field to the >> > cave entrance which was a large walk-in with standing water in the >> > entrance. Several cows were sheltering just inside. I crossed the >> > entrance and began hands and knees crawling the meandering stream >> > bed. I had 3 sources of light, etc., etc., but I do know I did not >> > feel entirely comfortable. >> > >> > After about an hour of crawling the passage seem to be getting >> > smaller and I was getting tired. Then I turned the next corner and >> > someone had left a small red & white sign on the side saying "How >> > sweet it is!". I laughed and turned around to go out. >> > >> > As I near the water in the front I heard what sounded like a large >> > flying something coming from inside the cave and getting closer and >> > closer. I really, really was creeped out thinking it a huge bat or >> > something. It was an owl and its wings were echoing off the walls >> > magnifying the sound. >> > >> > I've never soloed again. >> > >> > Phil >> > >> > >> > - >> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
While this thread is still running I would like to reiterate,if you're going to do some thing adventurous solo from caving,climbing,boating,hiking,biking ,back country sking to useing a chain saw,leave a detailed note somewhere and if you can have a contact person to call on your return all the better. A few clues are better than none.And always wear a PFD on the water it saves a lot of effort on the rescue/recovery team. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Louise Power wrote: > Love it. One Xmas/New Years trip to a cave in Mexico, my friend Michael > and I and our half dozen newbies got caught in a bat exodus which lasted > more than 45 min. We tried hunkering down in side passages trying to keep > from getting pooped on--not entirely successfully. > > > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:25:32 -0400 > > To: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; ca...@caver.net > > From: pw...@dca.net > > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving > > > > > Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the > > Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers > > there anymore, but did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed > > in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave > > I figured I could at least check it out. > > > > So I drove up the valley, parked and walked across the field to the > > cave entrance which was a large walk-in with standing water in the > > entrance. Several cows were sheltering just inside. I crossed the > > entrance and began hands and knees crawling the meandering stream > > bed. I had 3 sources of light, etc., etc., but I do know I did not > > feel entirely comfortable. > > > > After about an hour of crawling the passage seem to be getting > > smaller and I was getting tired. Then I turned the next corner and > > someone had left a small red & white sign on the side saying "How > > sweet it is!". I laughed and turned around to go out. > > > > As I near the water in the front I heard what sounded like a large > > flying something coming from inside the cave and getting closer and > > closer. I really, really was creeped out thinking it a huge bat or > > something. It was an owl and its wings were echoing off the walls > > magnifying the sound. > > > > I've never soloed again. > > > > Phil > > > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > >
RE: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
Love it. One Xmas/New Years trip to a cave in Mexico, my friend Michael and I and our half dozen newbies got caught in a bat exodus which lasted more than 45 min. We tried hunkering down in side passages trying to keep from getting pooped on--not entirely successfully. > Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 14:25:32 -0400 > To: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; ca...@caver.net > From: pw...@dca.net > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving > > Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the > Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers > there anymore, but did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed > in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave > I figured I could at least check it out. > > So I drove up the valley, parked and walked across the field to the > cave entrance which was a large walk-in with standing water in the > entrance. Several cows were sheltering just inside. I crossed the > entrance and began hands and knees crawling the meandering stream > bed. I had 3 sources of light, etc., etc., but I do know I did not > feel entirely comfortable. > > After about an hour of crawling the passage seem to be getting > smaller and I was getting tired. Then I turned the next corner and > someone had left a small red & white sign on the side saying "How > sweet it is!". I laughed and turned around to go out. > > As I near the water in the front I heard what sounded like a large > flying something coming from inside the cave and getting closer and > closer. I really, really was creeped out thinking it a huge bat or > something. It was an owl and its wings were echoing off the walls > magnifying the sound. > > I've never soloed again. > > Phil > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
Re: Re: [Texascavers] Re: solo caving, cave meditation
Barb and spent 6 or 7 weeks traveling w/ siffre winter of 79 in mexico, belize,
y guatemala--on and off.
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: solo caving, cave meditation
I think Barbara would have enjoyed talking with Michel Siffre..
Phil
On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:32 PM, Logan McNatt wrote:
> Forwarded on behalf of Barbara MacLeod:
>
> "These were carefully-planned experiments in sensory isolation, set far into
> a familiar but then seldom-visited, beautifully decorated cave that was used
> by the Classic Maya to propitiate earth and rain gods. Ancient human bones
> and pottery were found nearby. The stays were 48 hours, with no light, in a
> very quiet part of the cave. Buckets on strings provided drinking water and
> potty facilities. We had plenty of food but ate little of it. Some very
> interesting events took place in our minds. Barb"
>
> The paper is Pathways Into Darkness: The Search for the Road to Xibalbá, by
> Barbara MacLeod and Dennis E. Puleston. Tercera Mesa Redonda de Palenque,
> 1978.
>
> http://www.mesoweb.com/search/search.asp
>
> javascript:open_window('http://www.mesoweb.com/pari/publications/RT04/Pathways.html');
>
> Logan
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