[Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.commailto:texascav...@yahoo.com From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
Mark? I can think of several Marks it could be. Bill Steele Sent from my iPhone Bill Steele 500 Kingston Dr. Irving, TX 75061 cell 214-770-4712 speleoste...@aol.com cwilliamste...@gmail.com On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.com From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
Mark ALMAN texascav...@yahoo.com From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steele via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:14 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais Mark? I can think of several Marks it could be. Bill Steele Sent from my iPhone Bill Steele 500 Kingston Dr.x-apple-data-detectors://0/0 Irving, TX 75061x-apple-data-detectors://0/0 cell 214-770-4712tel:214-770-4712 speleoste...@aol.comailto:speleoste...@aol.comm cwilliamste...@gmail.commailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.commailto:texascav...@yahoo.com From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
LOOK PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU’VE BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK FOR THE LAST MONTH YOU KNOW WHY YOU CAN’T SEE PEOPLES NAMES. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT! -Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steele via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:14 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais Mark? I can think of several Marks it could be. Bill Steele Sent from my iPhone Bill Steele 500 Kingston Dr.x-apple-data-detectors://0/0 Irving, TX 75061x-apple-data-detectors://0/0 cell 214-770-4712tel:214-770-4712 speleoste...@aol.comailto:speleoste...@aol.comm cwilliamste...@gmail.commailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.commailto:texascav...@yahoo.com From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.netmailto:s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
I think it boils down to the client some are using. I primarily use gmail and it displays the name (but doesn't show an email address). See the image: Hope this clears up some confusion for people and as some have asked, sign your emails if you want to help out with the problem. Charles List admin wo...@justfamily.org ad...@caves.org webmas...@texascavers.com On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: LOOK PEOPLE, UNLESS YOU’VE BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK FOR THE LAST MONTH YOU KNOW WHY YOU CAN’T SEE PEOPLES NAMES. SO STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT! -Stefan *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Steele via Texascavers *Sent:* Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:14 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais Mark? I can think of several Marks it could be. Bill Steele Sent from my iPhone Bill Steele 500 Kingston Dr. Irving, TX 75061 cell 214-770-4712 speleoste...@aol.co speleoste...@aol.comm cwilliamste...@gmail.com On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.com *From:* SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net swr-boun...@caver.net] *On Behalf Of *Steve Peerman *Sent:* Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM *To:* Mailing List for SWR *Subject:* [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] a road-trip story
from David Locklear, dlocklea...@gmail.com Have any of you had the unpleasant experience of having to abort a caving trip ? I sort of had that experience, over the holiday weekend. Here is a road-trip story from this past Sunday. Background info: __ There is a cave that I have been wanting to take my daughter to while she is still a kid. She will be 10 years old in a month, and she no longer acts like a kid, but more like a spoiled pre-teen. She has never been in a cave, except as a baby on a commercial tour once. I felt my time window had closed for that opportunity and was very concerned about that. On Sunday, I had a 24 hour break in my schedule, and felt certain that this was my final chance, to do something about that. In the few moments prior to deciding to make the road-trip, it seemed feasible to at least drive in the general direction of the cave, and if time allowed, I would at least make an effort to meet with the landowner, to see what his status was, such as whether he was still alive, or in good health, or even still owned the cave, or allowed people in the cave, etc. I knew the chances of going in the cave were nearly zero.But there were 2 or 3 other things in the area that I wanted to do with my kid, and with a stroke of good luck we might could get a photo opportunity at the cave entrance. A little personal info first, for those of you who do not know me.My daughter lives with her mother, about an hour south of Houston, near the town of Arcola. I live walking distance to downtown Houston. Her mother and I have had a bizarre relationship for going on 19 years, where I just try my best to tolerate her, and more recently, only in an effort to spend quality time with my kid. I am only making the point that it is extremely difficult to travel with my kid's mother. So the 3 of us, got a much later start out of Arcola, than I wanted. According to Google Maps, it is 200 miles to the cave, and about a 3 1/2 hour drive, however, Google does not to take into account the heavy traffic of Harris County, especially on a holiday like Labor Day, nor the tropical rain storm, nor that the passengers have to stop every hour for some reason. It had been 16 years, since I had been to the cave, and had not even been in that county, since then. But I had been there many times in the late 80's and 90's, so I figured I could find the landowner's house blindfolded, and besides my fancy new smartphone, could zoom in right to where the cave was, within a few hundred feet. The Trip: _ We arrived in the vicinity of the ranch about 2 hours before sundown, much later than I had wanted. We pulled up to the spot along the highway where my fuzzy memory told me the entrance to his ranch should have been. Nothing looked familiar. We could not get an internet signal from Sprint, so I could not look it up on my phone. I drove all around for what seemed like an hour, back and forth over a 2 mile stretch of highway. We passed it at least once, but the focus of my effort was unfortunately one mile too far north, and my fuzzy memory was completely wrong about 2 important details. All the landmarks in my fuzzy memory-bank, seemed missing, and there were lots of new development. My stubbornness or hard-headedness would not give up, until I realized it was futile ( We had an urgent need to get to our next destination by dark, which was 45 minutes away.So I aborted the cave-related portion of our road-trip. It felt horrible to to that. Ironically, the map to the rancher's house was readily available back at my office. ( The link below is a sketch of that from 1998 ) By the point of surrender, I was carsick and the crew was totally fed up with the road-trip and demanded 3-star motel. I used to go to this cave on inexpensive day trips, but this one set me back over $ 200, which at the moment is outside of my travel budget. Unfortunately, I was too far from the ranch to note what new construction, or development has occurred in the vicinity of the cave.So that part of our trip was a big disappointment. We did manage to reach 2 of our other destinations. The only thing I think I accomplished on this trip, is they want to go back to Martin Dies Jr. State Park, for an over-nighter, and my daughter learned the fun of singing road-trip songs like Country Roads, while driving down the scenic rural highway. Here are 3 photos, from the state park that we briefly visited. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/a16h1oa8k4v74o2/AACf2VmKNS0DFrkILHKmeZB7a?dl=0 David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hgm62v0tb1ctrjx/Misc-map.jpg?dl=0 Sidenote: calling the owner a rancher is not the right word. If he is still alive, he and his family operate a variety of businesses related to the use of his land. One of those businesses is growing pine trees, to sell them to a sawmill. Someday, someone will need to return here to verify the
Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story
Dave you write a really good story. Preston...so far I only know one Preston in the tribe. -- - Original Message - From: David via Texascavers To: CaveTex Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: [Texascavers] a road-trip story from David Locklear, dlocklea...@gmail.com Have any of you had the unpleasant experience of having to abort a caving trip ? I sort of had that experience, over the holiday weekend. Here is a road-trip story from this past Sunday. Background info: __ There is a cave that I have been wanting to take my daughter to while she is still a kid. She will be 10 years old in a month, and she no longer acts like a kid, but more like a spoiled pre-teen. She has never been in a cave, except as a baby on a commercial tour once. I felt my time window had closed for that opportunity and was very concerned about that. On Sunday, I had a 24 hour break in my schedule, and felt certain that this was my final chance, to do something about that. In the few moments prior to deciding to make the road-trip, it seemed feasible to at least drive in the general direction of the cave, and if time allowed, I would at least make an effort to meet with the landowner, to see what his status was, such as whether he was still alive, or in good health, or even still owned the cave, or allowed people in the cave, etc. I knew the chances of going in the cave were nearly zero.But there were 2 or 3 other things in the area that I wanted to do with my kid, and with a stroke of good luck we might could get a photo opportunity at the cave entrance. A little personal info first, for those of you who do not know me.My daughter lives with her mother, about an hour south of Houston, near the town of Arcola. I live walking distance to downtown Houston. Her mother and I have had a bizarre relationship for going on 19 years, where I just try my best to tolerate her, and more recently, only in an effort to spend quality time with my kid. I am only making the point that it is extremely difficult to travel with my kid's mother. So the 3 of us, got a much later start out of Arcola, than I wanted. According to Google Maps, it is 200 miles to the cave, and about a 3 1/2 hour drive, however, Google does not to take into account the heavy traffic of Harris County, especially on a holiday like Labor Day, nor the tropical rain storm, nor that the passengers have to stop every hour for some reason. It had been 16 years, since I had been to the cave, and had not even been in that county, since then. But I had been there many times in the late 80's and 90's, so I figured I could find the landowner's house blindfolded, and besides my fancy new smartphone, could zoom in right to where the cave was, within a few hundred feet. The Trip: _ We arrived in the vicinity of the ranch about 2 hours before sundown, much later than I had wanted. We pulled up to the spot along the highway where my fuzzy memory told me the entrance to his ranch should have been. Nothing looked familiar. We could not get an internet signal from Sprint, so I could not look it up on my phone. I drove all around for what seemed like an hour, back and forth over a 2 mile stretch of highway. We passed it at least once, but the focus of my effort was unfortunately one mile too far north, and my fuzzy memory was completely wrong about 2 important details. All the landmarks in my fuzzy memory-bank, seemed missing, and there were lots of new development. My stubbornness or hard-headedness would not give up, until I realized it was futile ( We had an urgent need to get to our next destination by dark, which was 45 minutes away.So I aborted the cave-related portion of our road-trip. It felt horrible to to that. Ironically, the map to the rancher's house was readily available back at my office. ( The link below is a sketch of that from 1998 ) By the point of surrender, I was carsick and the crew was totally fed up with the road-trip and demanded 3-star motel. I used to go to this cave on inexpensive day trips, but this one set me back over $ 200, which at the moment is outside of my travel budget. Unfortunately, I was too far from the ranch to note what new construction, or development has occurred in the vicinity of the cave.So that part of our trip was a big disappointment. We did manage to reach 2 of our other destinations. The only thing I think I accomplished on this trip, is they want to go back to Martin Dies Jr. State Park, for an over-nighter, and my daughter learned the fun of singing road-trip songs like Country Roads, while driving down the scenic rural highway. Here are 3 photos, from the state park that we briefly visited.
Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story
Great trip report, David, even if you didn’t get to the cave! You got to spend some quality time with your kid and, as fast as they grow up, that is PRICELESS! Any time you can spend with your kid is worthwhile. There’s more important things in life than caving. (Gasp! Did I just say that? It’s true) Mark ALMAN texascav...@yahoo.com From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:11 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] a road-trip story from David Locklear, dlocklea...@gmail.commailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com Have any of you had the unpleasant experience of having to abort a caving trip ? I sort of had that experience, over the holiday weekend. Here is a road-trip story from this past Sunday. Background info: __ There is a cave that I have been wanting to take my daughter to while she is still a kid. She will be 10 years old in a month, and she no longer acts like a kid, but more like a spoiled pre-teen. She has never been in a cave, except as a baby on a commercial tour once. I felt my time window had closed for that opportunity and was very concerned about that. On Sunday, I had a 24 hour break in my schedule, and felt certain that this was my final chance, to do something about that. In the few moments prior to deciding to make the road-trip, it seemed feasible to at least drive in the general direction of the cave, and if time allowed, I would at least make an effort to meet with the landowner, to see what his status was, such as whether he was still alive, or in good health, or even still owned the cave, or allowed people in the cave, etc. I knew the chances of going in the cave were nearly zero. But there were 2 or 3 other things in the area that I wanted to do with my kid, and with a stroke of good luck we might could get a photo opportunity at the cave entrance. A little personal info first, for those of you who do not know me.My daughter lives with her mother, about an hour south of Houston, near the town of Arcola. I live walking distance to downtown Houston. Her mother and I have had a bizarre relationship for going on 19 years, where I just try my best to tolerate her, and more recently, only in an effort to spend quality time with my kid. I am only making the point that it is extremely difficult to travel with my kid's mother. So the 3 of us, got a much later start out of Arcola, than I wanted. According to Google Maps, it is 200 miles to the cave, and about a 3 1/2 hour drive, however, Google does not to take into account the heavy traffic of Harris County, especially on a holiday like Labor Day, nor the tropical rain storm, nor that the passengers have to stop every hour for some reason. It had been 16 years, since I had been to the cave, and had not even been in that county, since then. But I had been there many times in the late 80's and 90's, so I figured I could find the landowner's house blindfolded, and besides my fancy new smartphone, could zoom in right to where the cave was, within a few hundred feet. The Trip: _ We arrived in the vicinity of the ranch about 2 hours before sundown, much later than I had wanted. We pulled up to the spot along the highway where my fuzzy memory told me the entrance to his ranch should have been. Nothing looked familiar. We could not get an internet signal from Sprint, so I could not look it up on my phone. I drove all around for what seemed like an hour, back and forth over a 2 mile stretch of highway. We passed it at least once, but the focus of my effort was unfortunately one mile too far north, and my fuzzy memory was completely wrong about 2 important details. All the landmarks in my fuzzy memory-bank, seemed missing, and there were lots of new development. My stubbornness or hard-headedness would not give up, until I realized it was futile ( We had an urgent need to get to our next destination by dark, which was 45 minutes away.So I aborted the cave-related portion of our road-trip. It felt horrible to to that. Ironically, the map to the rancher's house was readily available back at my office. ( The link below is a sketch of that from 1998 ) By the point of surrender, I was carsick and the crew was totally fed up with the road-trip and demanded 3-star motel. I used to go to this cave on inexpensive day trips, but this one set me back over $ 200, which at the moment is outside of my travel budget. Unfortunately, I was too far from the ranch to note what new construction, or development has occurred in the vicinity of the cave.So that part of our trip was a big disappointment. We did manage to reach 2 of our other destinations. The only thing I think I accomplished on this trip, is they want to go back to Martin Dies Jr. State Park, for an over-nighter, and my daughter learned the fun of singing road-trip songs like Country
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
Lengthy but don't hit delete yet. While I was in the army at Red Canyon Range Camp near Carrizozo, NM for NIKE missile training in the Spring of 1956, I crawled into a couple of black lava caves and was rewarded with the view of a beautifully colored what I believed to be a good sized salamander. It was definitely NOT a beaded lizard. I assume there are no Gila Monsters in NM but might their be other poisonous lizards I'm central NM? What about it, Crash? The major east west highway between the range camp and Carrizozo to the east had the Malpais on the north side of the highway which came right up to the highway. Although in the army, it was a very good time in my young (21) life. While stationed here and in El Paso in early 1956, I had some great NM adventures. Besides touring Carlsbad Caverns for the second time (the first was in 1947 on a kid's YMCA bus tour), I went into The Crater Of Aden and fairly deep into Ft. Stanton Cave which was totally unrestricted at that time. In and near El Paso, I climbed over a good portion of The Franklin Mountains and all over the marvelous shelter caves and cliffs at Hueco Tanks which was also totally unrestricted. My greatest adventure during this part of my army stint was a very early 1956 two day trip into Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) with friend Jimmy Walker, Bob Hudson and Bob's brother in law, Ralph. We crossed the dreaded Ledge and went deep into the cave to view unbelievably beautiful formations. Jimmy and I saw no evidence of human intrusion in the far reaches of the cave visited. Some of my prized memories and possessions are the great photographs taken in the cave by Jimmy Walker. I haven't seen it but friend Lyndon Tiu was at The Caverns Of Sonora saw Jimmy's picture of me looking up at a long soda straw. It hangs in the cave's office. I have canoed the Rio Grande from the bridge at Presidio to the one at Del Rio. All the canyons were an unforgettable adventure. Lifelong friend, Bill Breedlove, now of Wimberley, and I made this river journey in 1965, 66 and 67, before Amistad Dam was completed. On the final leg of the 1967 trip between the Devil's and Pecos Rivers , south of Comstock, we Discovered Goodenough Spring where it flowed into the Rio Grande. The spring was the most desolate but also the most beautiful spot in Texas, in my opinion although Capote Falls ranked a close second. Some highlights of these river trips were climbing up into the shelter caves in Fern Canyon, climbing into Outlaw Cave, both on the Mexican side of Santa Elena Canyon and possibly best of all, climbing into the large US shelter caves just up-river from The Pecos River. We viewed all the magnificent early American's wall paintings and saw the large stones with concave depressions where grain was ground. I wish I could relive it all again and not just in my memories. I just spoke with Breedlove and we are starting a Bucket List which will include some of the above items while we are still upright. Obviously, I don't bother with paragraphs and could use some help with punctuation and occasionally spelling. Fritz F. Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.com From: SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] FW: Caves of the El Malpais
Great stories from west Texas and central and southern NM. Keep 'em coming. Preston in Muhl. Co., KY On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:24 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Lengthy but don't hit delete yet. While I was in the army at Red Canyon Range Camp near Carrizozo, NM for NIKE missile training in the Spring of 1956, I crawled into a couple of black lava caves and was rewarded with the view of a beautifully colored what I believed to be a good sized salamander. It was definitely NOT a beaded lizard. I assume there are no Gila Monsters in NM but might their be other poisonous lizards I'm central NM? What about it, Crash? The major east west highway between the range camp and Carrizozo to the east had the Malpais on the north side of the highway which came right up to the highway. Although in the army, it was a very good time in my young (21) life. While stationed here and in El Paso in early 1956, I had some great NM adventures. Besides touring Carlsbad Caverns for the second time (the first was in 1947 on a kid's YMCA bus tour), I went into The Crater Of Aden and fairly deep into Ft. Stanton Cave which was totally unrestricted at that time. In and near El Paso, I climbed over a good portion of The Franklin Mountains and all over the marvelous shelter caves and cliffs at Hueco Tanks which was also totally unrestricted. My greatest adventure during this part of my army stint was a very early 1956 two day trip into Mayfield Cave (Caverns of Sonora) with friend Jimmy Walker, Bob Hudson and Bob's brother in law, Ralph. We crossed the dreaded Ledge and went deep into the cave to view unbelievably beautiful formations. Jimmy and I saw no evidence of human intrusion in the far reaches of the cave visited. Some of my prized memories and possessions are the great photographs taken in the cave by Jimmy Walker. I haven't seen it but friend Lyndon Tiu was at The Caverns Of Sonora saw Jimmy's picture of me looking up at a long soda straw. It hangs in the cave's office. I have canoed the Rio Grande from the bridge at Presidio to the one at Del Rio. All the canyons were an unforgettable adventure. Lifelong friend, Bill Breedlove, now of Wimberley, and I made this river journey in 1965, 66 and 67, before Amistad Dam was completed. On the final leg of the 1967 trip between the Devil's and Pecos Rivers , south of Comstock, we Discovered Goodenough Spring where it flowed into the Rio Grande. The spring was the most desolate but also the most beautiful spot in Texas, in my opinion although Capote Falls ranked a close second. Some highlights of these river trips were climbing up into the shelter caves in Fern Canyon, climbing into Outlaw Cave, both on the Mexican side of Santa Elena Canyon and possibly best of all, climbing into the large US shelter caves just up-river from The Pecos River. We viewed all the magnificent early American's wall paintings and saw the large stones with concave depressions where grain was ground. I wish I could relive it all again and not just in my memories. I just spoke with Breedlove and we are starting a Bucket List which will include some of the above items while we are still upright. Obviously, I don't bother with paragraphs and could use some help with punctuation and occasionally spelling. Fritz F. Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 2, 2014, at 7:08 AM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Received this from the SWR remailer. Some very cool NM lava tube caves that I have always wanted to visit. Hmmm, a future trip? Mark texascav...@yahoo.com From:SWR [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Steve Peerman Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:08 AM To: Mailing List for SWR Subject: [SWR] Caves of the El Malpais All, My son sent me this reference to a New York Times article on El Malpais: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/31/travel/into-a-lava-lined-underworld-near-albuquerque.html?smid=tw-nytimes_r=0 Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list |
[Texascavers] Wonderful pictures of Hang Son Doong online
http://photos.msn.com/slideshow/weather/inside-the-worlds-biggest-cave/23vjjng3#10 They are calling it the world's largest cave. Do they mean length, volume or some combination?___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story
Yes, unfortunately, my old friend and caving buddy, Preston McMichael has been dead for a number of years. What ever happened to the Preston McMichael Caving Award? It was resurrected a few years ago but I haven't heard of it in recent years. Preston was quite a guy and the most gung-ho caver I ever knew. Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com (Triple Creek Ranch) Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Preston Forsythe via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Dave you write a really good story. Preston...so far I only know one Preston in the tribe. -- - Original Message - From: David via Texascavers To: CaveTex Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: [Texascavers] a road-trip story from David Locklear, dlocklea...@gmail.com Have any of you had the unpleasant experience of having to abort a caving trip ? I sort of had that experience, over the holiday weekend. Here is a road-trip story from this past Sunday. Background info: __ There is a cave that I have been wanting to take my daughter to while she is still a kid. She will be 10 years old in a month, and she no longer acts like a kid, but more like a spoiled pre-teen. She has never been in a cave, except as a baby on a commercial tour once. I felt my time window had closed for that opportunity and was very concerned about that. On Sunday, I had a 24 hour break in my schedule, and felt certain that this was my final chance, to do something about that. In the few moments prior to deciding to make the road-trip, it seemed feasible to at least drive in the general direction of the cave, and if time allowed, I would at least make an effort to meet with the landowner, to see what his status was, such as whether he was still alive, or in good health, or even still owned the cave, or allowed people in the cave, etc. I knew the chances of going in the cave were nearly zero.But there were 2 or 3 other things in the area that I wanted to do with my kid, and with a stroke of good luck we might could get a photo opportunity at the cave entrance. A little personal info first, for those of you who do not know me.My daughter lives with her mother, about an hour south of Houston, near the town of Arcola. I live walking distance to downtown Houston. Her mother and I have had a bizarre relationship for going on 19 years, where I just try my best to tolerate her, and more recently, only in an effort to spend quality time with my kid. I am only making the point that it is extremely difficult to travel with my kid's mother. So the 3 of us, got a much later start out of Arcola, than I wanted. According to Google Maps, it is 200 miles to the cave, and about a 3 1/2 hour drive, however, Google does not to take into account the heavy traffic of Harris County, especially on a holiday like Labor Day, nor the tropical rain storm, nor that the passengers have to stop every hour for some reason. It had been 16 years, since I had been to the cave, and had not even been in that county, since then. But I had been there manytimes in the late 80's and 90's, so I figured I could find the landowner's house blindfolded, and besides my fancy new smartphone, could zoom in right to where the cave was, within a few hundred feet. The Trip: _ We arrived in the vicinity of the ranch about 2 hours before sundown, much later than I had wanted. We pulled up to the spot along the highway where my fuzzy memory told me the entrance to his ranch should have been. Nothing looked familiar. We could not get an internet signal from Sprint, so I could not look it up on my phone. I drove all around for what seemed like an hour, back and forth over a 2 mile stretch of highway. We passed it at least once, but the focus of my effort was unfortunately one mile too far north, and my fuzzy memory was completely wrong about 2 important details. All the landmarks in my fuzzy memory-bank, seemed missing, and there were lots of new development. My stubbornness or hard-headedness would not give up, until I realized it was futile ( We had an urgent need to get to our next destination by dark, which was 45 minutes away.So I aborted the cave-related portion of our road-trip. It felt horrible to to that. Ironically, the map to the rancher's house was readily available back at my office. ( The link below is a sketch of that from 1998 ) By the point of surrender, I was carsick and the crew was totally fed up with the road-trip and demanded 3-star motel. I used to go to this cave on inexpensive day trips, but this one set me back over $ 200, which at the moment is outside of my travel budget. Unfortunately, I was too far from the ranch to note what new construction, or development has occurred in the
[Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale
For those that are in the market for some ranch land with two caves - AND you don't want to check it out thru Facebook, here's the link: Falling Waters Ranch http://www.jlockhartrealestate.com/FallingWatersRanch.html Scott D. Boyd scottd...@gmail.com GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR *Professional Transportation, Inc.* ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Wonderful pictures of Hang Son Doong online
Louise, Certainly not length; Mammoth is uncontested in that category. Volume or cross section is what they're referring to, but even those are equivocal because they are so difficult to measure accurately. Those reports are widely considered to be overblown, but nevertheless it is a huge underground space. Once Lidar scanning becomes more widespread maybe we'll be able to address such claims more realistically. Mark On Tue, September 2, 2014 5:35 pm, Louise Power wrote: http://photos.msn.com/slideshow/weather/inside-the-worlds-biggest-cave/23vjjng3#10 They are calling it the world's largest cave. Do they mean length, volume or some combination? ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Memories of El Malpais and west Texas
On 9/2/2014 3:24 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers wrote: *I wish I could relive it all again and not just in my memories. *Fritz, One good way to make those memories more vivid is to go to the Texas Beyond History website http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/ On the map of Texas, click on the dot labeled Lower Pecos and it will open up a fascinating amount of information and photos on the history, archeology, and natural resources of that area, including the rock art. No doubt you will see many more dots that you will want to investigate. I recommend Bonfire Shelter and Arenosa Shelter near the Lower Pecos; Wax Camps and La Junta in the Big Bend; and Hueco Tanks and Ceremonial Cave near El Paso. There are also historic sites like Forts and Missions. It's an award-winning website, written for the general public. I've mentioned it several times before on this list. MARK my words Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Memories of El Malpais and west Texas
Thank you, Logan. I will do just that. The miracle of modern technology is beyond my comprehension but I am glad we have it. It will be a pleasure for June and me to visit with you at TCR. Fritz Holt Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2014, at 8:43 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: On 9/2/2014 3:24 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers wrote: I wish I could relive it all again and not just in my memories. Fritz, One good way to make those memories more vivid is to go to the Texas Beyond History websitehttp://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/ On the map of Texas, click on the dot labeled Lower Pecos and it will open up a fascinating amount of information and photos on the history, archeology, and natural resources of that area, including the rock art. No doubt you will see many more dots that you will want to investigate. I recommend Bonfire Shelter and Arenosa Shelter near the Lower Pecos; Wax Camps and La Junta in the Big Bend; and Hueco Tanks and Ceremonial Cave near El Paso. There are also historic sites like Forts and Missions. It's an award-winning website, written for the general public. I've mentioned it several times before on this list. MARK my words Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] New laws in Texas
We got some new laws as of yesterday. Hit and Run accidents can have double the penalty. Knives like switchblades are legal, so you got to watch out for robbers pulling those on you. School zones and driving while gadgeting is now illegal everywhere. Feel free to correct me, or add to it. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
