Re: [Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale
the ranch sold last week for 6 million I was told bob oakley Sent from Windows Mail From: via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:45 PM To: via Texascavers Buy it all, then subdivide sell 3500 acres immediately, keep the caves a spot big enough for TCR on the river. It's just that simple! (I can dream...) Chris Vreeland, some guy in Austin On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I think 4000 acres X 2000/ acre = about 8 million dollars bob oakley Uvalde county a452...@outlook.com Sent from Windows Mail From: via Texascavers Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:58 AM To: via Texascavers Only about 1 million dollars and I bet they would take less. What a great project for TSA and permanent home for TCR. . . . Nancy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Ranch with 2 caves up for sale
There are more ranches out here. I don't know much about them. There are caves and one of Bill Koock's friends wants to buy a huge ranch to do hydrophobic agriculture. We have been walking a lot of these hills and looking at a lot of ranches. The dry fork of the Nueches is one place we have looked, there are wet creeks there with good water, now. The other fork of the Nueches is very low despite a few rains and looks pitiful. There are ranches near Vance and on the highway to Rock Springs. I looked there a few years ago for Austin Energy to put in a solar farm on about 200 acres. The transmission lines were a problem since there aren't any. There are a bunch of places and they all have large houses. One ranch belongs to the Special Forces and is a 5,000 acer training facility with jet accessible runway and such. Very nice and visible on Goggle Earth. The major problem is size and cost. these folks love their land and want a pretty penny for it. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks, Charles. Fritz Sent from my iPhone On Sep 3, 2014, at 6:58 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It is 6, acres and a about 30 miles from my house which is like in the middle of nowhere. 45 Miles from Uvalde and 50 from Rock Springs. Not an easy fit and down a gravel road 15 miles. Good for maybe goats and there is a herd of Zebras on it. On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Chris Vreeland via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Buy it all, then subdivide sell 3500 acres immediately, keep the caves a spot big enough for TCR on the river. It's just that simple! (I can dream...) Chris Vreeland, some guy in Austin On Sep 3, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Bob Oakley via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I think 4000 acres X 2000/ acre = about 8 million dollars bob oakley Uvalde county a452...@outlook.com Sent from Windows Mail *From:* via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 3, 2014 9:58 AM *To:* via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Only about 1 million dollars and I bet they would take less. What a great project for TSA and permanent home for TCR. . . . Nancy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Lincoln County's Fort Stanton Cave surpasses Carlsbad in length
From the Ruidoso News: http://tinyurl.com/m89xeot Actually the cave has 31.35 miles mapped, and is now in 62nd place in the world. Lee Skinner ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Luckenbach
The other caver event in Luckenbach was a TSA Convention (not NSS)in the spring of '89 or '90, with camping there and meetings elsewhere. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Luckenbach
Actually according to a calendar I found, it was spring of 1992, May 1-3. It was a great meeting, we had a steak house in Fredricksburg for the papers they served supper and Luckenback threw a dance. It was a great weekend, we tried to set up another spring meeting there but they said their insurance company just told them they could have four major events a year and they were holding those spots for Willy Nelson and/or Waylon Jennings. Butch Fralia 3412 Walton Ave. Fort Worth, TX 76133-2230 bfra...@maverickgrotto.org (Home) 817 346-2039 (Cell) 817 229-7693 -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via Texascavers Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:11 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Luckenbach The other caver event in Luckenbach was a TSA Convention (not NSS)in the spring of '89 or '90, with camping there and meetings elsewhere. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Border militia confronts bat researchers
Yes. - Crash Mobile email from my iPhone On Sep 4, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Anybody know anyone involved in this? Border militia confronts bat researchers Posted: Tuesday, September 2, 2014 7:26 am By Jonathan Clark Nogales International A group of heavily armed militiamen confronted a team of scientists who had been studying bats in a cave near Sonoita last week, apparently mistaking them for illegal border-crossers or drug-smugglers. No one was hurt during the late-night encounter in the Gardner Canyon area, but the incident highlights the potential for trouble when citizens take up arms in hopes of defending the U.S.-Mexico border. U.S. Customs and Border Protection “does not endorse or support any private group or organization to take border security matters into their own hands as it could have disastrous personal and public safety consequences” the agency said in a statement. The confrontation near Sonoita began at approximately 11 p.m. on Aug. 23, according to a report given by one of the scientists to a Santa Cruz County Sheriff’s deputy. The team of three researchers had been counting bats in Onyx Cave, and as they began walking back to their campsite near Gardner Canyon Road, they were flashed with a spotlight by a group of men. The men reportedly began shouting at the scientists in Spanish, and identified themselves as a militia group protecting the U.S.-Mexico border. The scientists identified themselves and continued to walk to their campsite “while seeking cover,” according to the deputy’s report. When they arrived at their campsite, they were again approached by the militiamen, who pulled up on an ATV while carrying a shotgun and wearing camouflage clothing. This time the militiamen were apologetic, but the reporting scientist told the deputy he still cursed them out and let them know how they had made him and his colleagues feel. The researchers said they weren’t directly threatened by the militiamen and did not see any weapons pointed at them. Still, the reporting person described the encounter as “aggressive” and said he was concerned for the safety of other people who were camping in the area. He said he saw three militia members, but suspected there were more. The report was made the afternoon after the encounter, and the deputy took no additional action on the matter. “Border Patrol had already dealt with the situation,” said Sheriff’s Lt. Raoul Rodriguez. Border Patrol agents from the Sonoita Station had arrived at the scientists’ campsite during the incident after having been contacted by the militia group. An agent contacted later by the investigating deputy reportedly described the militiamen as “heavily armed,” even more so than the agent. Neither the Border Patrol nor Sheriff’s Office could provide details about the militiamen, other than that they claimed to be from Colorado. In a brief statement from the Border Patrol’s Tucson Sector, the agency said it received a phone call from a member of a militia group reporting suspicious activity near Sonoita at about 10 p.m. on Aug. 23. “Sonoita station agents responded and encountered a small group of biologists studying bats,” it said. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving Charlie'sWaterColors001.jpg. Charlie'sWaterColors002.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors003.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors004.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors005.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors006.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors007.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors008.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors009.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors010.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors011.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors012.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors013.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors014.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors015.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors016.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors017.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors018.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors019.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors020.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors021.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors022.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors023.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors024.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors025.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors026.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors027.jpg Charlie'sWaterColors028.jpg ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/
[Texascavers] Golondrinas in video game trailer
Video game maker Activision used El Sotano de Las Golondrinas in a scene in their preview of their big new video game launch. You can watch the preview via the link below, but be warned, you¹ll have to watch 90 seconds of CGI humans vs. aliens combat before the scenes of Golondrinas at the end of the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZyQK6kUdWQfeature=youtu.be FYI: former Inside Earth art director and 1970s Kirkwood caving community resident Justin Carroll creates the packaging graphics for Activision video games. Frank Binney i...@frankbinney.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Golondrinas in video game trailer
Thanks Frank. Interesting to know why Golondrinas appears in a video game preview. Otherwise none of it makes any sense to me. Nothing much else does, either.;-) On 9/4/2014 8:47 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers wrote: Video game maker Activision used El Sotano de Las Golondrinas in a scene in their preview of their big new video game launch. You can watch the preview via the link below, but be warned, you’ll have to watch 90 seconds of CGI humans vs. aliens combat before the scenes of Golondrinas at the end of the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZyQK6kUdWQfeature=youtu.be FYI: former Inside Earth art director and 1970s Kirkwood caving community resident Justin Carroll creates the packaging graphics for Activision video games. Frank Binney i...@frankbinney.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] NEW TSS Website
butch, thank you for the beautiful announcement. I could never have made it
that pretty — YAY
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On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Butch Fralia (CAVEDBA) via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
Cavers!
After a lot of hard work, a graphic design from Grace Borengasser, code design
from Christopher Francke, proof reading and many text corrections by Katie
Arens and additional trouble shooting by David McKenzie the Texas Speleological
Survey has a new website online. It was never my intention that old blue would
stay around as long as it did but I'm a techie not a graphics designer. Now
with the combination of all those talents it's new and beautiful!
There's a new online data submission to send data to the TSS and the PDF is
still available. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/data_submit/submit.php
There's a new page where you download David McKenzie's WallsMap program, great
for projects and sharing data with the TSS.
http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/software/wallsmap/wallsmap.php
Come check us out, comment and make suggestions for material you like to see
online. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/
Butch Fralia
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Re: [Texascavers] Golondrinas in video game trailer
Just saw the commercial as my plane was landing. Interesting but brief shot of the pit. Joe Ranzau On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Thanks Frank. Interesting to know why Golondrinas appears in a video game preview. Otherwise none of it makes any sense to me. Nothing much else does, either. ;-) On 9/4/2014 8:47 PM, Frank Binney via Texascavers wrote: Video game maker Activision used El Sotano de Las Golondrinas in a scene in their preview of their big new video game launch. You can watch the preview via the link below, but be warned, you’ll have to watch 90 seconds of CGI humans vs. aliens combat before the scenes of Golondrinas at the end of the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZyQK6kUdWQfeature=youtu.be FYI: former Inside Earth art director and 1970s Kirkwood caving community resident Justin Carroll creates the packaging graphics for Activision video games. Frank Binney i...@frankbinney.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] NEW TSS Website
Great job on an Awesome website! Just a suggestion; individual cavers provide the greatest gains in speleology. Can you provide a photo gallery of Texas cavers? Maybe just one photo per caver, of their choice if they are still alive. Thanks, Steve Gutting stephengutti...@gmail.com On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Butch Fralia \(CAVEDBA\) via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Cavers! After a lot of hard work, a graphic design from Grace Borengasser, code design from Christopher Francke, proof reading and many text corrections by Katie Arens and additional trouble shooting by David McKenzie the Texas Speleological Survey has a new website online. It was never my intention that old blue would stay around as long as it did but I'm a techie not a graphics designer. Now with the combination of all those talents it's new and beautiful! There's a new online data submission to send data to the TSS and the PDF is still available. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/data_submit/submit.php There's a new page where you download David McKenzie's WallsMap program, great for projects and sharing data with the TSS. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/software/wallsmap/wallsmap.php Come check us out, comment and make suggestions for material you like to see online. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/ Butch Fralia 3412 Walton Ave. Fort Worth, TX 76133-2230 webmas...@texasspeleologicalsurvey.org http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org (Home) 817 346-2039 (Cell) 817 229-7693 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] NEW TSS Website
We certainly could if they provide the mug shots! . Send them to me or put them in dropbox and invite me to share Butch Fralia 3412 Walton Ave. Fort Worth, TX 76133-2230 webmas...@texasspeleologicalsurvey.org http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org (Home) 817 346-2039 (Cell) 817 229-7693 From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Steve's IPhone via Texascavers Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:16 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] NEW TSS Website Great job on an Awesome website! Just a suggestion; individual cavers provide the greatest gains in speleology. Can you provide a photo gallery of Texas cavers? Maybe just one photo per caver, of their choice if they are still alive. Thanks, Steve Gutting stephengutti...@gmail.com On Sep 4, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Butch Fralia \(CAVEDBA\) via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Cavers! After a lot of hard work, a graphic design from Grace Borengasser, code design from Christopher Francke, proof reading and many text corrections by Katie Arens and additional trouble shooting by David McKenzie the Texas Speleological Survey has a new website online. It was never my intention that old blue would stay around as long as it did but I'm a techie not a graphics designer. Now with the combination of all those talents it's new and beautiful! There's a new online data submission to send data to the TSS and the PDF is still available. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/data_submit/submit.php There's a new page where you download David McKenzie's WallsMap program, great for projects and sharing data with the TSS. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/software/wallsmap/wallsmap.php Come check us out, comment and make suggestions for material you like to see online. http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/ Butch Fralia 3412 Walton Ave. Fort Worth, TX 76133-2230 webmas...@texasspeleologicalsurvey.org http://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org (Home) 817 346-2039 (Cell) 817 229-7693 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
