[Texascavers] Caving in Texas over the holidaze
Folks, John Ackerman, a cave owner, hard core caver and cave diver from Minnesota will be in the Austin area December 21 to 24th. Can anyone in the Austin area take him caving. I think he would like to see Whirlpool and I think that Mike Harris is trying to set up a trip to Robber Baron. Anyway, I’m sure he would return the favor as he owns a number of great multi-mile long caves in Minnesota. Let me know and I’ll forward you his contact information. Thanks, Geary Schindel attachment: winmail.dat___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds. The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up to the balcony but found no going passage. --Ediger ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that I'd penciled in above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word 'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net wrote: I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds. The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up to the balcony but found no going passage. --Ediger___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part of a house El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that I'd penciled in above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word ' corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net wrote: I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds. The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up to the balcony but found no going passage. --Ediger ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Caving in Texas over the holidaze
If they go to RB in the evening I would like to go too - if they don't mind. Thanks Geary! Trish Sent from my iPhone On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Folks, John Ackerman, a cave owner, hard core caver and cave diver from Minnesota will be in the Austin area December 21 to 24th. Can anyone in the Austin area take him caving. I think he would like to see Whirlpool and I think that Mike Harris is trying to set up a trip to Robber Baron. Anyway, I’m sure he would return the favor as he owns a number of great multi-mile long caves in Minnesota. Let me know and I’ll forward you his contact information. Thanks, Geary Schindel winmail.dat ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Austin Caverns
This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
How about Pasaje Superior? There is a Pasaje Superior and Pasaje Inferior in Sótano de La Joya de Salas. Mark mmin...@caver.net On Fri, December 19, 2014 2:17 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote: Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part of a house El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that I'd penciled in above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word 'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net wrote: I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds. The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up to the balcony but found no going passage. --Ediger ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] La Joya de Salas
Just curious how many times this cave has received a deluge of water since the last push trip. A wild guess would be at least ten. And was the sump dived. I was told by a caver in 1989 that they left an unchecked pit in a side passage when they were in the cave years earlier. I believe he was a British caver, living in the Mexican state of Tabasco. I think he said his name was Peter Lord. I have peered into the entrance, and have a copy of what the AMCS put together in the 70's. I tried to get some cavers to go there with me in the early 90's, but in those days didn't have social media, or email, or texting, and was out of the communication loop typically used for such trips. I did some ridgewalking on 2 occasions in an area far east of the cave and found nothing. There might be a virgin rappel into a skylight in a small shelter cave near the village of Julillo. My guess is it would be a 50 foot rappel, and then walk out . It is just off the side of the road on the left as you drive north out of the village ( just one house ? in 1989 ) While on this subject, a young enthusiastic caver should write a modern updated version of the book, Caves of the InterAmerican Highway.. I paid $ 100 for my copy in 1987. Also, I recall in 1989, Terry Raines was working very hard on a book, called, The Caves of Mexico,. I only saw a rough-draft. I would have liked to have puchased such a book.It would seem in today's world of web-collaboration that such a tedious project would be more efficient and accurate. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
That works too, El dic 19, 2014 5:12 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: How about Pasaje Superior? There is a Pasaje Superior and Pasaje Inferior in Sótano de La Joya de Salas. Mark mmin...@caver.net On Fri, December 19, 2014 2:17 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote: Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part of a house El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that I'd penciled in above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word 'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net wrote: I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds. The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up to the balcony but found no going passage. --Ediger ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime pictures and intel? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it. Cheers, Stefan From:Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of David via Texascavers Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years ) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer. I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 2 recent post on Cavetex My 2 cents is that Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday. David Locklear -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
Corredor Superior just has a nice ring to it. --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 7:35 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: That works too, El dic 19, 2014 5:12 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: How about Pasaje Superior? There is a Pasaje Superior and Pasaje Inferior in Sótano de La Joya de Salas. Mark mmin...@caver.net On Fri, December 19, 2014 2:17 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote: Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part of a house El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com escribió: I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that I'd penciled in above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word 'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico? --Ediger On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net wrote: I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds. The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up to the balcony but found no going passage. --Ediger ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] David's book comments
Caves of the InterAmerican Highway.. I paid $ 100 for my copy in 1987. Free now at http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul1.pdf There is a book similar in format and intent by Mike Walsh, Mexican Caving of the Southwest Texas Grotto 1966–1971, 1972. It has been reprinted as AMCS Reprint 1; see http://www.mexicancaves.org/rpt/reprintcat.html . I recall in 1989, Terry Raines was working very hard on a book, called, The Caves of Mexico,. It was actually published by the author, not by the AMCS people active at that time, although it claims to be an AMCS publication. You don't want a copy. It is mostly a very spacious printout of a database, with huge type and very wide spacing of the material. Some of the caves have a text description; for most of the caves in San Luis Potosí and Querétaro it was ripped of without credit from an unpublished manuscript by Peter Sprouse on the caves of the Xilitla area. My review of the book is on page 110 of AMCS Activities Newsletter 18, http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/18.html . -- Mixon Research is known to the state of California to cause cancer in laboratory animals. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
most of it is blasted shut, not much accessible. that’s the problem — we got
the dregs left
On Dec 19, 2014, at 8:53 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime
pictures and intel?
--Ediger
On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend
if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it.
Cheers,
Stefan
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years
) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer.
I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the
2 recent post on Cavetex
My 2 cents is that
Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take
my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday.
David Locklear
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[Texascavers] An outsider's perspective
This email is a rebuttal to Mr. Mixon's. First of all, I am a card-carrying member to both the Terry Raines Fan Club, and the Bill Mixon Fan Club. In the fall of 1989, there was an urgent need to get a caving book out about Mexico, because everything was out of print or in very limited supply, and certainly not easily acceptable to independent cavers like me. There was only one caver on the Earth capable of doing anything about that and that was the honorable Terry Raines. He volunteered to step up to an enormous challenge to have a book ready at the first Mexpeleo gathering. I got the impression he had no support from the caving community, and had to do it all on his own at his own expense. I think he stayed up all night and drove non-stop to the gathering in Ciudad Valles to show off a copy. I liked the database format. The book should have been entitled, The Mexpeleo Convention Field guide. I do not see any reason, why it could not be fixed and republished as a web-colloboration among cavers. That being said I do not personally have anything against book critics, and I do think Bill is a great book critic. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] The dregs
The original post about the cave in Austin mentioned something about the city acquiring land. The storm sewer lies in a highfalutin neighborhood. It does not seem practical to buy a land preserve there. The cost of ripping out the storm-sewer and doing a gov't authorized dig would be a million dollars. A more worthwhile project would be something at Cave X, which I would guess is controlled by the Balcones Escarpment District, which I know nothing about. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] 2014 trivia
In 2014, you were statistically far more likely to die by eating a pre-packaged caramel-coated apple in Texas than by going caving. Not sure if the same could be said for the whole nation though. Feel free to correct me on the statistical part. I bet you could say the same thing about many other odd ways to die. David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
