Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

[Terry Holsinger via Texascavers]

The "Underground Texas Grotto" aka UTG is a "fictitious entity" BUT is 
also required to keep the UT branding lynch mob away. They have little 
problem using lawyers to get anything that looks/sounds/smells like UT 
to get it removed


On 1/19/2015 6:50 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers wrote:

That version is certainly better. But there is still that nonsense
about the "Underground Texas Grotto," which is a fictitious entity.

Mobile email from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:


Here's the editor's most recent email to me:

Dear Heather,

I have made the changes you noted, and I have added a prominent note
up top regarding the salamanders. Allow me to please apologize for
the mistakes in this article, and let me thank you for bringing them
to our attention. We have brought these inaccuracies to the
reporter's attention, and he will be getting a stern talking-to
about checking his facts carefully. We take this very seriously, and
I regret that we let these errors make it through our process.

Would you be so good as to check my changes to make sure we are
fully in the clear?
http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/12/notes-from-the-underground/

Thank you again for reaching out to me. I hope this corrects the
mistakes and avoids any kind of complication for you professionally.
If there is any way I can be helpful to you in the future, please
let me know.

Apologetically yours,




On 18 January 2015 at 22:17, Heather Tucek mailto:trog...@cavechat.org>> wrote:

The Editor-in-Chief wrote back to me saying how upset he was to
hear about thus, and that he will be fixing it first thing in
the morning.


-Tucek



Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:


I wouldn't agree with that at all. They may get the dumbest
thing you said so why say dumb things. Dumb things are what we
like to see on TV or read about. Dumb is good. I love dumb
movies and dumb stories. I thrive on dumb. People forget
everything minutes later so it doesn't matter much unless you
are running for emperor of aome such ad for gettng it right I
always got it right.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, AC via Texascavers
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

Heather,

Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:

1. They never get it right.

2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing
you say (or didn't say).

3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it.

Allan

Sent from my iPhone with fat thumbs

On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:


Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I
widely spread how ignorant I am about caves. Barton
Springs salamanders in Whirlpool Cave? As if! Never did I
even mention endangered anything!

That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need
any help putting black marks on my name. Sheesh!



-Tucek





On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:


This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine,
Alcalde.  ... Sam
http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
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Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

That version is certainly better. But there is still that nonsense about the 
"Underground Texas Grotto," which is a fictitious entity. 

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:33 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's the editor's most recent email to me:
> 
> Dear Heather,
> 
> I have made the changes you noted, and I have added a prominent note up top 
> regarding the salamanders. Allow me to please apologize for the mistakes in 
> this article, and let me thank you for bringing them to our attention. We 
> have brought these inaccuracies to the reporter's attention, and he will be 
> getting a stern talking-to about checking his facts carefully. We take this 
> very seriously, and I regret that we let these errors make it through our 
> process.
> 
> Would you be so good as to check my changes to make sure we are fully in the 
> clear? http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/12/notes-from-the-underground/
> 
> Thank you again for reaching out to me. I hope this corrects the mistakes and 
> avoids any kind of complication for you professionally. If there is any way I 
> can be helpful to you in the future, please let me know.
> 
> Apologetically yours,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 January 2015 at 22:17, Heather Tucek  wrote:
>> The Editor-in-Chief wrote back to me saying how upset he was to hear about 
>> thus, and that he will be fixing it first thing in the morning. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Tucek
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't agree with that at all. They may get the dumbest thing you said 
>>> so why say dumb things. Dumb things are what we like to see on TV or read 
>>> about. Dumb is good. I love dumb movies and dumb stories. I thrive on dumb. 
>>> People forget everything minutes later so it doesn't matter much unless you 
>>> are running for emperor of aome such ad for gettng it right I always got it 
>>> right.
>>> 
 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, AC via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 Heather, 
 
 Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:
 
 1. They never get it right. 
 
 2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing you say (or 
 didn't say). 
 
 3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it. 
 
 Allan
 
 Sent from my iPhone with fat thumbs
 
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I widely spread 
> how ignorant I am about caves. Barton Springs salamanders in Whirlpool 
> Cave? As if! Never did I even mention endangered anything!
> 
> That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need any help 
> putting black marks on my name. Sheesh!
> 
> 
> 
> -Tucek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine, Alcalde.  ... Sam
>>  
>> http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
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Re: [Texascavers] another reporter story

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

I’ve been in caves that didn’t have enough air!  Nancy


> On Mon, January 19, 2015 12:57 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
>> One of the more entertaining interviews has one TV
>> reporter asking Ron Kerbo if the rescue personnel had enough food,
>> water, and air. Kerbo just calmly assumed him that they did.
> 
>  That was Bryant Gumbel on the "Today" show. When that show was
> broadcast, while we were still in Carlsbad, everyone groaned, especially
> at the air comment.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] another reporter story

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

On Mon, January 19, 2015 12:57 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
> One of the more entertaining interviews has one TV
> reporter asking Ron Kerbo if the rescue personnel had enough food,
> water, and air. Kerbo just calmly assumed him that they did.

  That was Bryant Gumbel on the "Today" show. When that show was
broadcast, while we were still in Carlsbad, everyone groaned, especially
at the air comment.

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Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

GREAT JOB, HEATHER!

Congrats to you for reaching out to the editor.  He is clearly a professional, 
and his reporter has learned an excellent  journalism lesson.

Keep up your awesome work on behalf of the caves and their critters.

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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> On Jan 19, 2015, at 15:33, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's the editor's most recent email to me:
> 
> Dear Heather,
> 
> I have made the changes you noted, and I have added a prominent note up top 
> regarding the salamanders. Allow me to please apologize for the mistakes in 
> this article, and let me thank you for bringing them to our attention. We 
> have brought these inaccuracies to the reporter's attention, and he will be 
> getting a stern talking-to about checking his facts carefully. We take this 
> very seriously, and I regret that we let these errors make it through our 
> process.
> 
> Would you be so good as to check my changes to make sure we are fully in the 
> clear? http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/12/notes-from-the-underground/
> 
> Thank you again for reaching out to me. I hope this corrects the mistakes and 
> avoids any kind of complication for you professionally. If there is any way I 
> can be helpful to you in the future, please let me know.
> 
> Apologetically yours,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 January 2015 at 22:17, Heather Tucek  wrote:
>> The Editor-in-Chief wrote back to me saying how upset he was to hear about 
>> thus, and that he will be fixing it first thing in the morning. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Tucek
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't agree with that at all. They may get the dumbest thing you said 
>>> so why say dumb things. Dumb things are what we like to see on TV or read 
>>> about. Dumb is good. I love dumb movies and dumb stories. I thrive on dumb. 
>>> People forget everything minutes later so it doesn't matter much unless you 
>>> are running for emperor of aome such ad for gettng it right I always got it 
>>> right.
>>> 
 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, AC via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 Heather, 
 
 Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:
 
 1. They never get it right. 
 
 2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing you say (or 
 didn't say). 
 
 3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it. 
 
 Allan
 
 Sent from my iPhone with fat thumbs
 
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I widely spread 
> how ignorant I am about caves. Barton Springs salamanders in Whirlpool 
> Cave? As if! Never did I even mention endangered anything!
> 
> That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need any help 
> putting black marks on my name. Sheesh!
> 
> 
> 
> -Tucek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine, Alcalde.  ... Sam
>>  
>> http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
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Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

[Heather Tucek via Texascavers]

Here's the editor's most recent email to me:

Dear Heather,

I have made the changes you noted, and I have added a prominent note up top
regarding the salamanders. Allow me to please apologize for the mistakes in
this article, and let me thank you for bringing them to our attention. We
have brought these inaccuracies to the reporter's attention, and he will be
getting a stern talking-to about checking his facts carefully. We take this
very seriously, and I regret that we let these errors make it through our
process.

Would you be so good as to check my changes to make sure we are fully in
the clear? http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/12/notes-from-the-underground/

Thank you again for reaching out to me. I hope this corrects the mistakes
and avoids any kind of complication for you professionally. If there is any
way I can be helpful to you in the future, please let me know.

Apologetically yours,




On 18 January 2015 at 22:17, Heather Tucek  wrote:

> The Editor-in-Chief wrote back to me saying how upset he was to hear about
> thus, and that he will be fixing it first thing in the morning.
>
>
> -Tucek
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't agree with that at all. They may get the dumbest thing you said
> so why say dumb things. Dumb things are what we like to see on TV or read
> about. Dumb is good. I love dumb movies and dumb stories. I thrive on dumb.
> People forget everything minutes later so it doesn't matter much unless you
> are running for emperor of aome such ad for gettng it right I always got it
> right.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, AC via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Heather,
>>
>> Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:
>>
>> 1. They never get it right.
>>
>> 2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing you say (or
>> didn't say).
>>
>> 3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it.
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone with fat thumbs
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I widely spread
>> how ignorant I am about caves. Barton Springs salamanders in Whirlpool
>> Cave? As if! Never did I even mention endangered anything!
>>
>> That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need any help
>> putting black marks on my name. Sheesh!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Tucek
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>  This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine, Alcalde.  ... Sam
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
>>
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[Texascavers] Fun in Moab

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

Fun in Moab:



Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] Going to unsub..

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

Ted, please send your email address to me.
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On 1/19/2015 11:16 AM, Ted Samsel via Texascavers wrote:

Since I'm in Oregon.. I'm probably going to unsubscribe..

later..


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[Texascavers] Reporters

[Geary Schindel via Texascavers]

Before we hired some staff to do public outreach and handle all of our media 
relations, I commonly got stuck being the go to guy for technical questions and 
anything that came up over the weekend when the General Manager was gone. So, 
it was not uncommon to do one or two interviews a day on Saturday during a 
drought. You did have to be careful what you said. I remember a reporter asking 
me about the water level on the San Antonio index well (J-17). The reporter 
would ask, “Where is J-17 today” and I would say, it’s still over at Ft. Sam 
Houston where it’s been for the last 80 years.

Anyway, my boss told me one. “He would never hold me accountable for what I 
said to a reporter only what the reporter said I said.”

Yikes.

Geary
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[Texascavers] another reporter story

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

After "Emily's Spring Break" at Lechuguilla Cave, somebody put  
together a collection of TV news items recorded during the rescue. I  
think I saw it at an NSS convention; no idea whether it can be seen  
anywhere now. One of the more entertaining interviews has one TV  
reporter asking Ron Kerbo if the rescue personnel had enough food,  
water, and air. Kerbo just calmly assumed him that they did.


I too was kind of surprised by the advice about asking a reporter to  
see his article before it was published. I had the impression no  
writer would ever do that. However, a good reporter might get back to  
you for clarifications, to verify quotes, etc. I remember when  
reporters routinely edited quotes for grammar and such, but still  
treated them as direct quotes. More recently, I notice that no longer  
seems to happen. I think journalists now, in theory at least, are help  
to higher standards of accuracy.


A great short article (well, short for the New Yorker) by John McPhee  
about the extent that good reporters and the fact checkers at good  
magazines go to assure accuracy is at

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/02/09/checkpoints

Incidentally, his book on geology mentioned in the article is a great  
popular introduction to geology. Actually there were four books that  
got consolidated into one: "Annals of the Former World," Farrar,  
Straus and Giroux, 1998. It won the Pulitzer Prize for non-fiction.  
Irresistible in my humble opinion. I've read the whole thing three  
times: when the parts appeared in The New Yorker, when the individual  
books came out, and when "Annals of the Former World" was published. I  
still dip into it from time to time. It's 660 pages long, but hell,  
middle-school kids read Harry Potter stories with more pages than  
that. -- Mixon


A fast runner gives a slower one a head start. The faster one can  
never catch up, because he first has to pass the place the slower one  
has just left.


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Re: [Texascavers] GHG meeting tomorrow

[tom rogers via Texascavers]

The see my shovel trip is awaiting approval from above. I'll keep you posted
TFR

--- Original Message ---

From: "Mallory Mayeux via Texascavers" 
Sent: January 19, 2015 10:28 AM
To: "GHG" , 
"Texascavers@Texascavers.Com" 
Subject: [Texascavers] GHG meeting tomorrow

Good morning cavers!

This is a reminder that the Greater Houston Grotto has their first meeting
of 2015 tomorrow (Tuesday) January 20, at 7:30 pm at the Texas Rock Gym on
Campbell.

We'll kick off our meeting with trip reports, recent and old, and then have
officer elections for 2015 and plan what we'd like to get on the agenda for
the coming year. We're actively taking requests and making plan to do some
stellar caving, so this is an awesome meeting for EVERYONE caving in
Houston to attend! (Or if you're just in town for work or whatever, stop
by, we love our non-Houstonians too) :)

Our pre-meeting dinner is at Five Guys Burgers & Fries. (9762 Katy Freeway,
Suite 100, Houston, TX 77055 in the HEB lot at I-10 and Bunker Hill).
People typically start arriving around/after 6pm.

After our meeting, we'll adjourn to our usual grotto watering hole, Nikki's
Pub (10885 Katy Freeway, Houston, TX 77079), where we'll celebrate an
awesome year of caving! 2014 was awesome and this coming year will be even
better. :)

If anyone needs more information, email me! I hope to see ya there. :)

Mallory Mayeux
GHG Chair
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[Texascavers] Going to unsub..

[Ted Samsel via Texascavers]

Since I'm in Oregon.. I'm probably going to unsubscribe..

later..
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[Texascavers] GHG meeting tomorrow

[Mallory Mayeux via Texascavers]

Good morning cavers!

This is a reminder that the Greater Houston Grotto has their first meeting
of 2015 tomorrow (Tuesday) January 20, at 7:30 pm at the Texas Rock Gym on
Campbell.

We'll kick off our meeting with trip reports, recent and old, and then have
officer elections for 2015 and plan what we'd like to get on the agenda for
the coming year. We're actively taking requests and making plan to do some
stellar caving, so this is an awesome meeting for EVERYONE caving in
Houston to attend! (Or if you're just in town for work or whatever, stop
by, we love our non-Houstonians too) :)

Our pre-meeting dinner is at Five Guys Burgers & Fries. (9762 Katy Freeway,
Suite 100, Houston, TX 77055 in the HEB lot at I-10 and Bunker Hill).
People typically start arriving around/after 6pm.

After our meeting, we'll adjourn to our usual grotto watering hole, Nikki's
Pub (10885 Katy Freeway, Houston, TX 77079), where we'll celebrate an
awesome year of caving! 2014 was awesome and this coming year will be even
better. :)

If anyone needs more information, email me! I hope to see ya there. :)

Mallory Mayeux
GHG Chair
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Re: [Texascavers] reporters

[Frank Binney via Texascavers]

My media relations prof at UCLA advised us to supply reporters with one-page
³fact sheets² along with any other relevant written background materials
when we gave interviews. Over the years I¹ve found reporters appreciated
that material as useful reference for their writing.If nothing else, it
helped them spell the names correctly in the article.

Frank Binney
Frank Binney & Associates
Interpretive Planning and Media Development
P.O. Box 258
Woodacre, CA 94973
415.488.1200 Voice
415.488.1500 Fax
415.999.0556 Mobile
fr...@frankbinney.com


From:  Texas Cavers 
Reply-To:  Texas Cavers 
Date:  Monday, January 19, 2015 at 6:01 AM
To:  Texas Cavers 
Subject:  Re: [Texascavers] reporters

I was told during media training *not* to ask to review the interview before
publication. I used to offer and no reporter ever took me up on it.  I find
that having a short list of perfectly-honed sound bites (relevant to the
topic, of course) is a good strategy.  They almost always pick them up so I
am able to use them to craft the final product, to some extent.
 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

  
 
 
 

   From: George Veni via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 2:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] reporters
  
 

Heather and everyone,
 
  
 
Many cavers have long held the positions:
 
·don¹t trust or talk to the media because they will screw up what
you tell them, and
 
·we need the public to better understand caves to care about and
help protect them. 
 
The problem is that we need the media to effectively educate the public so
we can¹t afford to ignore or alienate them.
 
  
 
Reporters are often rushed to meet deadlines, especially if they are trying
to get in a story within 24 hours or less. Like for most of the public,
caves are alien to reporters. They have a huge number of long-held
stereotypes and mis-conceptions. One interview won¹t eliminate them all.
Most are good people trying to sincerely do a good job, but they often
mix-up their misconceptions with what they actually heard, especially if
much of the interview is in a cave where they can¹t take many notes.
 
  
 
I get interviewed frequently in my job. One thing I¹ve found to keep the
printed word accurate is to essentially tell the reporter at the end of the
interview:
 
  
 
³Thank you for interviewing me. I can tell you want to write a great report
and I¹d like to help. A lot of what I¹ve told you and what you¹ve seen is
completely new to you. A lot of it is complicated. I may not have been clear
on some points and you could have misunderstood me on others. What is your
deadline? Send me your draft article and I¹ll make myself available to
quickly fact-check it and get it back to you ASAP to meet your deadline.
That way we can be it is right.²
 
  
 
I¹ve found that this works about 70% of the time, so most of my interviews
turn out well. As for the other 30%, my worst experience was when a reporter
misquoted me 15 times in 11 short paragraphs! Rather than berate her, I
pointed out the errors, expressed sympathy for her position, and developed a
good working relationship that has since benefited caves and karst.
 
  
 
We are all ambassadors of caves and could be potentially interviewed. If you
find yourself in that position, remember to keep the information simple to
minimize confusion and mistakes, ask to review the draft article for
technical accuracy, and after the article is printed to contact the
reporter. If the article is good, thank the reporter. If there are problems,
thank the reporter for what was right and discuss the problems in a
sympathetic way. Make that reporter a better reporter for caves and karst.
And if you are in position where you are likely to be interviewed again,
then build a relationship with the reporter so you will each learn to go to
each other when needed and can trust that the outcome will be good.
 
  
 
George
 
  
 

 
George Veni, Ph.D.
 
Executive Director
 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
 
400-1 Cascades Avenue
 
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
 
Office: 575-887-5517
 
Mobile: 210-863-5919
 
Fax: 575-887-5523
 
gv...@nckri.org
 
www.nckri.org



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Re: [Texascavers] Reporters

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

  Bill Mixon's comment reminds me of something that happened during Emily
Mobley's rescue at Lechuguilla in 1991. The place was a total zoo with
reporters running around at all hours of the day and night. (Including a
Japanese TV reporter doing a live broadcast from the parking lot at 2
a.m.) Ron Kerbo was run ragged, and when one reporter asked him a
particularly asinine question, he looked her in the eye and said,
"Excuse me, ma'am, but you must have mistaken me for someone who gives a
shit!" and walked off. It was priceless, but surely never made it into
print or on the air.

Mark

On Sun, January 18, 2015 10:01 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote:
> One of my fantasies is to somehow become newsworthy and have the
> opportunity to tell a reporter who is asking stupid or nosey (of
> course) questions to fuck off. Unfortunately live interviews are
> broadcast with delays.

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Re: [Texascavers] reporters

[Allan B. Cobb via Texascavers]

I too was told in the media training that I got with the City of Austin not to 
ask to review the interview. Much of what I did was in front of a camera for TV 
news so speaking in short sound bites was always the safest. I did have a good, 
long standing working relationship with a reporter from San Antonio 
(unfortunately, he left the newspaper). He would call me up tell me about 
environmental and cave stories and ask for specific quotes. Sometimes he would 
even call me up and ask me to explain things to him that he got from other 
sources. His articles were always good.

It’s hard to just say, “I’m not talking to the media.” So many times, benefits 
from articles outweigh the inaccuracies. It is irritating to be misquoted but 
sometimes you just have to suck it up and look at the big picture.

Of course, many of the tips that have been given so far work well for a 
straight up interview. Whenever you take a reporter to the field and have an 
extended experience (like taking them caving) it becomes more difficult because 
so much information has been passed on. A good strategy for this type of 
interview is to debrief the reporter immediately after the trip. For example, 
if the interview is in a cave, as soon as you get out of the cave, sit and 
“catch your breath.” You can use that time to debrief the reporter and go over 
the main points again. As them to look over their notes and see there are any 
gaps or additional questions. Professionals who have been in the journalism 
field for a while take less debriefing. Beginners, like student journalists, 
need more debriefing.

Just my two cents worth,
Allan

From: Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers 
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:01 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] reporters

I was told during media training *not* to ask to review the interview before 
publication. I used to offer and no reporter ever took me up on it.  I find 
that having a short list of perfectly-honed sound bites (relevant to the topic, 
of course) is a good strategy.  They almost always pick them up so I am able to 
use them to craft the final product, to some extent.


Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



From: George Veni via Texascavers 
To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] reporters


Heather and everyone,

Many cavers have long held the positions:
· don’t trust or talk to the media because they will screw up what you 
tell them, and
· we need the public to better understand caves to care about and help 
protect them. 
The problem is that we need the media to effectively educate the public so we 
can’t afford to ignore or alienate them. 

Reporters are often rushed to meet deadlines, especially if they are trying to 
get in a story within 24 hours or less. Like for most of the public, caves are 
alien to reporters. They have a huge number of long-held stereotypes and 
mis-conceptions. One interview won’t eliminate them all. Most are good people 
trying to sincerely do a good job, but they often mix-up their misconceptions 
with what they actually heard, especially if much of the interview is in a cave 
where they can’t take many notes. 

I get interviewed frequently in my job. One thing I’ve found to keep the 
printed word accurate is to essentially tell the reporter at the end of the 
interview:

“Thank you for interviewing me. I can tell you want to write a great report and 
I’d like to help. A lot of what I’ve told you and what you’ve seen is 
completely new to you. A lot of it is complicated. I may not have been clear on 
some points and you could have misunderstood me on others. What is your 
deadline? Send me your draft article and I’ll make myself available to quickly 
fact-check it and get it back to you ASAP to meet your deadline. That way we 
can be it is right.”

I’ve found that this works about 70% of the time, so most of my interviews turn 
out well. As for the other 30%, my worst experience was when a reporter 
misquoted me 15 times in 11 short paragraphs! Rather than berate her, I pointed 
out the errors, expressed sympathy for her position, and developed a good 
working relationship that has since benefited caves and karst.

We are all ambassadors of caves and could be potentially interviewed. If you 
find yourself in that position, remember to keep the information simple to 
minimize confusion and mistakes, ask to review the draft article for technical 
accuracy, and after the article is printed to contact the reporter. If the 
article is good, thank the reporter. If there are problems, thank the reporter 
for what was right and discuss the problems in a sympathetic way. Make that 
reporter a better reporter for caves and karst. And if you are in position 
where you are likely to be interviewed ag

Re: [Texascavers] reporters

[Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers]

I was told during media training *not* to ask to review the interview before 
publication. I used to offer and no reporter ever took me up on it.  I find 
that having a short list of perfectly-honed sound bites (relevant to the topic, 
of course) is a good strategy.  They almost always pick them up so I am able to 
use them to craft the final product, to some extent.
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com
  From: George Veni via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 2:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] reporters
   
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Heather and everyone,    Many cavers have long held the positions: ·
don’t trust or talk to the media because they will screw up what you tell them, 
and ·we need the public to better understand caves to care about and 
help protect them. The problem is that we need the media to effectively educate 
the public so we can’t afford to ignore or alienate them.    Reporters are 
often rushed to meet deadlines, especially if they are trying to get in a story 
within 24 hours or less. Like for most of the public, caves are alien to 
reporters. They have a huge number of long-held stereotypes and 
mis-conceptions. One interview won’t eliminate them all. Most are good people 
trying to sincerely do a good job, but they often mix-up their misconceptions 
with what they actually heard, especially if much of the interview is in a cave 
where they can’t take many notes.     I get interviewed frequently in my job. 
One thing I’ve found to keep the printed word accurate is to essentially tell 
the reporter at the end of the interview:    “Thank you for interviewing me. I 
can tell you want to write a great report and I’d like to help. A lot of what 
I’ve told you and what you’ve seen is completely new to you. A lot of it is 
complicated. I may not have been clear on some points and you could have 
misunderstood me on others. What is your deadline? Send me your draft article 
and I’ll make myself available to quickly fact-check it and get it back to you 
ASAP to meet your deadline. That way we can be it is right.”    I’ve found that 
this works about 70% of the time, so most of my interviews turn out well. As 
for the other 30%, my worst experience was when a reporter misquoted me 15 
times in 11 short paragraphs! Rather than berate her, I pointed out the errors, 
expressed sympathy for her position, and developed a good working relationship 
that has since benefited caves and karst.    We are all ambassadors of caves 
and could be potentially interviewed. If you find yourself in that position, 
remember to keep the information simple to minimize confusion and mistakes, ask 
to review the draft article for technical accuracy, and after the article is 
printed to contact the reporter. If the article is good, thank the reporter. If 
there are problems, thank the reporter for what was right and discuss the 
problems in a sympathetic way. Make that reporter a better reporter for caves 
and karst. And if you are in position where you are likely to be interviewed 
again, then build a relationship with the reporter so you will each learn to go 
to each other when needed and can trust that the outcome will be good.    
George     George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National 
Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 
88