[Texascavers] caves in the news
If you set your Google News to personalize certain cave related phrases, you will see in the last 2 or 3 weeks numerous interesting articles that made news channels from cavers. Below are some examples: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88347783/cavers-make-breakthrough-discovery-deep-within-takaka-hill http://www.dailystar.co.uk/travel-news-cheap-uk-holidays-luxury-breaks-more-daily-star/577058/gutsy-explorers-underground-caves-Mexico-kayak-Red-Bull http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/01/12/17/big-hike-in-underground-river-entrance-fee-proposed http://www.space.com/35301-astronauts-explore-underground-caves-video.html There are many more, for example did you know there was a 1,500 meter drop underground in Texas? http://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.com/news/2017/01/air-liquide-commissions-world-s-largest-hydrogen-storage-facility David Locklear dlocklea...@gmail.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico
Bill Johnson, Dennis Sustare,myself and a few others explored Cuveacillas near there. On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 9:54 PM, via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Watch out. The Gulf Cartel is still considered a big threat in > Tamaulipas. > Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: > > From Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter vol 4, pp. 55-56 > report on trip by a number of French cavers led by Bill Russell (OCR of > scan will have errors): > > > Le 10 au soir, nous etablissons Ie campement > > pres du Rio de Jaumave dans la Sierra de Tamaulipas. Le 11 est notre > premiere journee d'exploration > > au Mexique. Du Rancho Picacho aenviron 30 km de Ciudad Victoria, un > berger nous > > guide dans la canon de Fraile. Deux petites grottes sont explorees et > topographiees: la Cueva > > de Fraile et la Cueva del Canon de Fraile. Dans la soir~e, > reconnaissance des S6tanos de Altes > > Cumbres pres de la highway a 25 km de Ciudad Victoria. Le lendemain, un > groupe continue > > l'exploration et la topographie des S6tanos de Altes Cumbres nO 1 et nO > 2. Un autre groupe > > reconnait dans la Sierra, a une heure de marche du Rancho Picacho des > gouffres sans importance. > > Dans la soiree, une pointe rapide est effectuee a Hoya Verde, a 9 km de > la highway. > > There is a map of a cave at http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/0327.pdf. > > I found that text by looking at the index to the volume on the AMCS web > site at mexicancaves.org. Get familiar with the resources there. -- Mixon > > > Nature is a hanging judge. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: > > That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an > old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might > not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems > to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon > > > I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? > > > Lee > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
Now we are getting somewhere! Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so unpopulated? Bad dirt? Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican or a cow, and neither does cloud forest. Are these mountains older than the Sierra Madre Oriental? Different orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt dome? Nascent volcano? These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they seem too low and insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a biogeographical perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes there? Any other weird endemism? And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area subsiding or is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell? After Trump takes office will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas or the Gulf cartel for political asylum? If so how can they be reached? Sleaze In a message dated 1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, texascavers@texascavers.com writes: There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers wrote: On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? Lee ___ Texascavers mailing list | _http://texascavers.com_ (http://texascavers.com/) Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: _http://www.mail-archive.com/http://www.mail-archive.com/_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/) _http://lists.texascavers.com/http://lists.texasca_ (http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers) -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
Gaston Santos father was the Gov. of SLP and owned the ranch across the street from the hotel in Tamuin. We had his permission to cave but had to extra careful because he raised Toros for the corrida. He also had student protestors shot in SLP and was fired. Gaston Jr was a bull fighter and a pal of Foxey and a UT grad. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:46 AM, via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Now we are getting somewhere! > > Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so unpopulated? Bad dirt? > Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican or a cow, and > neither does cloud forest. > > Are these mountains older than the Sierra Madre Oriental? Different > orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt dome? Nascent volcano? > > These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they seem too low and > insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a biogeographical > perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes there? Any other > weird endemism? > > And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area subsiding or is sulphuric > acid rising up from Hell? > > After Trump takes office will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas > or the Gulf cartel for political asylum? If so how can they be reached? > > Sleaze > > In a message dated 1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > texascavers@texascavers.com writes: > > There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: >> >> That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an >> old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might >> not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings >> seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon >> >> >> I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? >> >> >> Lee >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/te >> xascav...@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> > > > -- > Charlie Loving > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
Gastón Santos sounds like a pretty interesting dude. Here is the Spanish Wiki for him: Gastón Santos - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre | | | | || | | | | | Gastón Santos - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre | | | | RD Milhollin From: Charles Loving via Texascavers To: Cavers Texas Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers) Gaston Santos father was the Gov. of SLP and owned the ranch across the street from the hotel in Tamuin. We had his permission to cave but had to extra careful because he raised Toros for the corrida. He also had student protestors shot in SLP and was fired.Gaston Jr was a bull fighter and a pal of Foxey and a UT grad. On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:46 AM, via Texascavers wrote: Now we are getting somewhere! Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so unpopulated? Bad dirt? Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican or a cow, and neither does cloud forest. Are these mountains older than the Sierra Madre Oriental? Different orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt dome? Nascent volcano? These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they seem too low and insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a biogeographical perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes there? Any other weird endemism? And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area subsiding or is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell? After Trump takes office will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas or the Gulf cartel for political asylum? If so how can they be reached? Sleaze In a message dated 1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, texascavers@texascavers.com writes: There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers wrote: On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote: That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? Lee __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/te xascav...@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/l istinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/ listinfo/texascavers __ _ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/ listinfo/texascavers -- Charlie Loving ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] about Mount Fuji's lava caves
This article uses a public domain photo of a decorated limestone cave, nut the article refers to lava tubes! http://bit.ly/2iF7CIW Lee Skinner ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] lava caves
It seems someone should double check to make sure that Luray Caverns doesn't go under the Pacific Ocean On Jan 16, 2017 4:28 PM, "Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers" < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > This article uses a public domain photo of a decorated limestone cave, nut > the article refers to lava tubes! > > > http://bit.ly/2iF7CIW > > > Lee Skinner > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ > texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] And why is Zacaton so deep?
> And why is Zacaton so deep? ... is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell? Yes, more or less. Mainly, CO2 and H2S, though. http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul21.pdf -- Mixon Nature is a hanging judge. You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
