Re: [Texascavers] Caverns of Sonora

[Fritz Holt]

TSS may already have some. Check with the archivist or ask Carl Kunath. Carl 
may have some. Fritz Holt

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> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:12 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 
> can his pictures be donated to TSS???
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 10:49 PM, Fritz Holt  wrote:
>> 
>> As Carl and I have discussed at length, Mayfield Cave (Sonora) was still 
>> quite wild and had been only recently explored when friend Jimmy Walker and
>> I along with Bob Hudson and Bob’s brother-in-law spent two days going quite 
>> deep into it after crossing the ledge. This was between December and 
>> February of 1956. Jimmy felt we had explored further than the groups before 
>> us as there
>> was no disturbed earth or visible evidence of anyone having walked or 
>> climbed there. It was the most beautifully decorated cave I have ever seen 
>> and was my greatest caving adventure. Jimmy took many pictures of this 
>> remarkable cave. Rest In Peace friend Jimmy. 
>> Fritz Holt
>> fritz...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Carl Kunath  wrote:
>> 
>>> That would be the “Diamond Horseshoe.”  See page 406 in 50 Years of Texas 
>>> Caving (the encyclopedia of Texas caving).  You should have a copy in your 
>>> library.
>>>  
>>> ===Carl Kunath
>>> carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: David
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 9:07 PM
>>> To: CaveTex
>>> Subject: [Texascavers] Caverns of Sonora
>>>  
>>> There are 3 or 4 cavers on this forum who have actually gone caving in 
>>> Caverns of Sonora - especially if you call "hauling out rocks," as caving.
>>>  
>>> I once was shown a rare picture of some unusual speleothem off-trail in 
>>> Sonora.  There were similar, but different pictures in the books about 
>>> Texas caves and the Texas Caver.
>>>  
>>> My very fuzzy memory was the speleothem resembled a large onion ring or a 
>>> horseshoe or both, but I may have it confused with the other off-trail 
>>> photos, since I haven't seen it in 30 years.  The speleothem and passage 
>>> area both had a special name.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I had an opportunity once around 1986 to go off-trail in NBC, and blew it 
>>> off, thinking I would get another chance someday.  Some of you might have 
>>> been on that trip.  I assume that part of that trip is now what the Wild 
>>> Tour visits.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I do sincerely apologize for contributing to cavers leaving CaveTex, but I 
>>> went out of my way to ask cavers politely to ignore me and just hit the 
>>> delete button.  I have no nefarious or malicious agenda, just bored out of 
>>> my mind way out here beyond the Edge of the Caving Universe.
>>>  
>>> D.L.
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[Texascavers] Save the Caves!

[Lindsey Adamoski]

 Hi Folks,

This is just a reminder that the 2nd Annual Save the Caves Fundraiser will
be June 16th at Buffalo Billiards in Austin. Last year's fundraiser was a
HUGE success and we had so much fun. This year, we'll have the amazing Gary
Franklin band with new and featured members!! So come on out for some great
music, dancing, drinks, darts, pool, arcade games, and more! Your
attendance directly supports the conversation of Texas caves! Tickets will
be available online closer to the event date! We look forward to seeing you!

Sincerely,

Lindsey Adamoski
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[Texascavers] Save the Caves!

[Lindsey Adamoski]

Hi Folks,

This is just a reminder that the 2nd Annual Save the Caves Fundraiser will
be June 16th at Buffalo Billiards in Austin. Last year's fundraiser was a
HUGE success and we had so much fun. This year, we'll have the amazing Gary
Franklin band with new and featured members!! So come on out for some great
music, dancing, drinks, darts, pool, arcade games, and more! Your
attendance directly supports the conversation of Texas caves! Tickets will
be available online closer to the event date! We look forward to seeing you!

Sincerely,

Lindsey Adamoski
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Re: [Texascavers] Michel Siffre and Midnight Cave

[Josh Rubinstein]

Michel Siffre wrote *Beyond Time* about his first prolong period (two
months) underground in a French pit in 1962.  By chance, I picked it up
this weekend from Speleobooks at VAR.  I believe Mr. Siffre attended the
ICS in Kerrville.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 1:40 AM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> I am surprised to find this video I don't remember seeing before of Michel
> emerging from Midnight Cave Sept 5, 1972! If someone reading this took the
> video, please speak up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fxshED97Zw
>
> Pete Strickland and I and several other Texas cavers were there to watch
> him come out. A NASA helicopter had landed nearby and flew him to Houston
> for all sorts of medical evaluations. We worked very hard for a week or two
> hauling all the wires, scientific instruments (including a stationary
> bicycle), and the lumber and supplies from his tent platform out of the
> cave. We subsisted on packaged "astronaut meals" provided by NASA, which
> did not include beer.  BYOB
>
> A short article by Michel "Six Months Alone in a Cave" appeared several
> years later in National Geographic March 1975. I'm not aware of any book
> that he wrote about it.
>
> Carl's "short summary and a few pictures" in *50 Years of Texas Caving* is
> the best synopsis you will find of the exploration of Midnight Cave and the
> Michel Siffre experience. Carl was instrumental in both.
>
> *50 Years* is an underutilized source of information that everyone
> interested in Texas caving should have.  Read Bill Mixon's review from the
> Jan 2008 NSS News   http://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/50_Years/Bill_
> Mixon's_Review_50_Years_of_Texas_Caving.pdf
>
> Logan
>
> On 4/29/2018 8:49 PM, Carl Kunath wrote:
>
> Terry Cavanaugh certainly hit a few high spots during his brief caving
> career.
> There is a short summary and a few pictures of the Siffre adventure at
> Midnight Cave in *50 Years of Texas Caving, *(the encyclopedia of Texas
> caving), pages 459-467.
>
> ===Carl Kunath
> carl.kun...@suddenlink.net
>
> *From:* Jenni Arburn 
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 29, 2018 5:33 PM
> *To:* TSA Cavers 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Terry Cavanaugh and the Alpine Express
>
> He wrote a book about it. Unfortunately, I cannot find an english version.
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Marvin and Lisa  wrote:
>
> Yesterday Bexar Grotto members helped man a TSS booth and a Bexar Grotto
> booth at the Cascade Caverns Cave Fest. The turnout was not huge but it was
> fun talking to people about caves throughout the day. The band that played
> at the event was Terry Cavanaugh and the Alpine Express. German polka not
> my chosen style of music but they were very good. During a break between
> sets Terry came and sat down with us at the Bexar Grotto booth and casually
> mentioned that he had done some caving as a youth in Houston. We asked him
> where he went caving and he mentioned Caverns of Sonora. This would have
> been in the early 1970’s so maybe a local cave instead of “the” Caverns of
> Sonora. He mentioned a trip where they stopped by a cave where a European
> fellow – Swedish, he recalled – was doing an experiment on circadian
> rhythms. That would have been Frenchman Michel Sifre in Midnight Cave in
> 1972. He also recalled a trip to the Bustamante area of Mexico with some
> Houston cavers during which two members of the party drowned. That
> notorious incident happened in 1971 in Grutas de Carrizal. You can read
> about on page 296 of “50 Years of Texas Caving”, or the detailed report in
> the November 1971 Texas Caver on the Karst Information Portal:
> http://digital.lib.usf.edu/SFS0055003/1/pdf.
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[Texascavers] Texas Memorial Page

[David]

I am looking at the Texas Caver Memorial Page this morning ( 1 a.m. ).
 After all, that is what
it is there for.To remind us in some way to pay respects to cavers who
have left us.

Below is a partial list of cavers honored on the list

The criteria to most of the names posted below is that they passed away in
April or May
or in a year a decade from 2018 ( such as 1978, 88, 98, 08, etc )


William Blakemore passed away 20 years ago.

Luther Bundrant passed away 25 years ago.

Ephraim Cuevas passed away 15 years ago.

John Delano passed away 41 years ago.

Ted Gates passed away 14 years ago.

Fred Mason passed away 49 years ago.

John Moore passed away 12 years ago.

Mike Moore passed away 16 years ago.

  [ I personally remember Mike had several Texas caving friends.   I
went to his service.
I think he was new, but enthusiastic about getting involved.My
recollection
is that he stepped on a few toes, in much the same way I did.   I
am sure he had
some impact on my life.  ]

Gerald Olsen passed away almost 10 years ago.

Michael Moody passed away 24 years ago.

[ I am sure I met him and recall reading stuff about him or by
him ]

George Sevra passed away 16 years ago.

Thomas Summers passed away 11 years ago.

   [  Most if not all deaths in our lives are difficult to accept,
but ones like Mr. Summer's son
  are just really really hard to wrap your head around or
justify.   It just seems to
  make the sadness and grief even more overwhelming. ]

Steve Vallindingham passed away 30 years ago.

Harry Walker passed away 10 years ago.

 [ Harry was one of my best friends. I organized a party in his
honor about 3
   years before he passed away. I got the idea from a caver who
once stated, that
  it is sad that we rejoice a friend after their passing. He
died from the stress of the
  stock-market crash along with Hurricane Ike.   They both slapped
him upside the head
 at the same time. I tried to clean up the mess in the yard all
by myself, and his wife did pay me,
 but I was in way over my head, and they needed professional crew,
but that would have
 cost them $ 8,000.I think his funeral was the last one I have
been to.Harry and I were
 at the Chalk Bluff TCR when it flooded. That was fun !He
had to find a ride back to
 Houston, and I slept on the front porch of the downtown San
Antonio Cathedral by the
 Greyhound Station.That was most certainly one of my worst
road-trips ever.
 Harry often bragged proudly that he taught his nephew how to cave
and that kid grew up to help
 discover and ramrod the activities at Kartchner Caverns.   ]
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[Texascavers] Midnight Cave ( Carta Valley ) and more

[David]

Has the upper entrance been enlarged at some point ??

I rappelled into it at least once ( maybe twice ) in the late 80s.I
recall it being slightly larger.

I do recall having to spend quite awhile hunting for it, as you could be
within 30 feet of it and not
see it, as it looked more like a shadow than a hole.

On a related note,

As much as some people poke fun of me for not going caving, I did my fair
share
in 1987 to make up for it.   ( I was in fairly good shape back then, except
for a messed
up left ankle from a big accident working on The Aggie Bonfire in 1982. )

I had hopes back in the late 80's of going to other Carta Valley caves that
were not getting any
visitation ( Blowhole , MF Pit ?? ). I did get to go ridge-walking near
there one time with A.Richard Smith,
and his friends, but we did not find anything.   I think Mrs. Everage might
have been
on that trip, or another one just like it.

But after the 1989 Mexpeleo, I decided to focus all of my efforts in
Mexico, attempting to
take Houston cavers to Precipicio and Carrizal and places near Monterrey.
  Had I had
the internet, back then, I could have organized or at least contributed to
some fun
multi-grotto trips. I think my last effort at such a thing was in 1995
( or 96 ? }with Jay Jorden
and his electrician friend Bobby ( Moore ?? ), where we went swimming near
El Puente
de Dios and celebrated NYE at Real de Catorce and hooked up with some other
cavers.I think we rigged
Pozo de Gavilan from my truck bumper, but failed to make it to the bottom
due to the
bees. It is all very fuzzy jumbled muddled repressed memories now, with
few if any photographs
to prove it. It all seems more like a dream, than reality. Sure I
am sane.   Right ??

David Locklear
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