[Texascavers] Summer road-trip ?

[David]

>From David Locklear
hit delete button super-duper hard now


I had a super crappy week at work and just told my boss to take this job
and shove it deep up his ***.   ( I am self-employed )

Not sure where I am going, but I might as well head in the northwest
direction.
Right ?

If anybody would like to sponsor my upcoming mishaps, or bail me out of
jail, the odds are I will be hitch-hiking where-ever I go.

I have a new donation app ( or loan app ).

  https://cash.me/$dlocklear01

I also can receive donations ( or loans at 10% interest ) to Zelle
( CHASE, Wells Fargo ?? ) using my email

 dlocklea...@gmail.com

That works with PayPal too.

I have SQUARE if anybody is serious about helping my journey.

As of Friday night, I found a professional h**ker from Elko, Nevada,
needing something delivered from Houston.I have not yet made
contact with them to find out what the contraband is.But they
seem to be in an unnecessary hurry, so that probably is not going to
work out.

I think realistically, I could figure out a way to get to Salt Lake City.
There is a commercial cave there that I could take a tour of.

I heard a rumor that a group of cavers would be at Alabaster Caverns
tomorrow, but I do not see how I can get to there in time.

There is a 1% chance I am going somewhere. But they odds of that
being north of Casper, Wyoming are 0.001 %

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

[Michael Gibbons]

Apparently you didn't read my email.  An option to reply is to call them.
Which I did.  It was a pleasant experience.  They verified my info and
asked what info I  authorized to be included in the publication.
They asked my if I wished to purchase a directory and I told them not at
this time.  And that was it.
I'm proud to be a member of the NSS
and am happy to include my contact info.  Perhaps one day I might find
someone I once knew through this effort. Perhaps someone will need a place
to stay or help with a broken auto while cruising through San Antonio and
I'm the only one listed.  I'd be able to help them.
I doubt the motives of the NSS are nefarious and the ownership of the
company collecting the information is contractually obliged not to
deceminate our information to any other entities save our own.
The solution to not having your information compromised is to choose not to
participate.
All this pissing  and moaning is petty and becoming tiresome.
Just opt out. That simple.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming  wrote:

> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS.
>
> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor
> funds the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise.
>
> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant
> fund raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales."
>
> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous
> in not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS
> website to find that tidbit.
>
> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to
> contact me and they already have everything they need to know.
>
> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info
> and seeks information the NSS has no business collecting.
>
> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not
> tolerated.
>
> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a
> contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate
> pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data.
>
> Stephen
> 13727 RL FE
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2018 14:25, Steve Peerman wrote:
>
> Allen,
> It’s not a scam, but you are under no obligation to buy the product that
> they are making.  It is supposed to be an NSS directory of all NSS members
> past and present.  I submitted my information, but I didn’t buy the book.
> It seems rather pricey to me.
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Allen  wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS
> members manual.  Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the
> NSS logo on it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps,
>  and a Po Box in Dallas Tx.
>
> I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking some
> odd questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital
> status, name of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation.  Then at the end
> they want you to send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then
> be sent out for two payments of $50 for the hard bound book.  Or because I
> am a member, would bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy,
> for two payments of $75...  I didn't provide much info, but started
> questioning it by the end.
>
> Anyone know anything about this?  Is it a scam?   Is the NSS publishing
> the members manual in hardback?
> Allen
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

[Geary Schindel]

Bianca,

Thought I would try and respond to your questions/comments below. We have 
gotten some complaints about heavy handed tactics by a few of the operators at 
PCI and also gotten some nice comments about how professional and courteous 
some of the operators were. We’ve let our PCI contact know about the bad apples 
and they take corrective actions.


  1.  The directory that is being prepared is more than just a members manual. 
It allows you to add a lot of additional information, for example, your grotto 
affiliation, educational information, awards, spouse names, cell phone, 
occupation, picture, etc. The directory includes all past and current members 
where the annual NSS members manual doesn’t include past members. Occupational 
information is of value to the NSS because it allows us to find volunteers with 
specific expertise. For example, we are going to convert our five classrooms in 
the Headquarters to educational facilities. We found a member that has a 
background in commercial office design and they’ve been working on layout of 
the education center. We have other needs for various volunteer skills in the 
NSS.
  2.  PCI has reported about 20 percent of the contacts had new updated basic 
contact information. This would be emails, phones, addresses, etc. So, some 
folks don’t always update their information with the NSS office.
  3.  You can include or exclude as much or as little information as you want 
in the directory.
  4.  You will be able to go on line and update your information and addition 
material before publication date.
  5.  So far, contacts by PCI has resulted in more than 160 renewals by past 
members (not bad).
  6.  If you get a high pressure sales pitch, let us know at 
e...@caves.org (Curt Harler, who is the project contact 
for the NSS) or presid...@caves.org (Geary 
Schindel, that’s me).
  7.  PCI is the only people that will be contacting you. The members list is a 
private list and when they are done, they will return the updated list to the 
NSS. They may not use it, transfer it, or sell it.
  8.  If you ignore the postcards, you may get a phone call asking if you want 
to participate. You may say yes or no and determine what level you want to 
participate.

Hope this helps answer some questions.

Geary Schindel
President
NSS

From: 'Bianca della Vittoria' via Southwestern Cavers of the National 
Speleological Society [mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:39 PM
To: Lee H. Skinner ; Texas Cavers 
; New Mexico Cavers ; 
Sandia Grotto 
; Allen 

Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

I received the first two postcards which I purposely ignored after hearing all 
the hassle and sales pressure people were getting after calling the number on 
the card. Then a second batch came which I just put into the shredder.  I don't 
really know why you would need to verify info if you don't want to. When you 
pay your membership each year you can change your address or if it is the same 
you don't. I imagine if you moved in between you can contact the NSS directly 
and ask for a change, so verification seems unnecessary.  The address you put 
on your membership  should be what any correspondence is sent to unless you 
specifically request a change of address and same with your email for online 
publications. If that changes it is your responsibility to notify of a new 
address. If the address has not changed but you quit getting emails or online 
publications that are expected you should query why, but I certainly don't want 
telemarketers calling or pressure to buy something.  So I will keep ignoring 
those yellow postcards.


On Thursday, July 19, 2018, 2:22:15 PM MDT, Allen 
mailto:siz...@hotmail.com>> wrote:



Hey all,

Just received a postcard from some publishing company about the NSS members 
manual.  Anyone else receive one? Its a yellow postcard with the NSS logo on 
it. It has a title of "Verification of caver data" in all caps,  and a Po Box 
in Dallas Tx.



I called the number on the card and the phone operator started asking some odd 
questions about place of employment, phone numbers, email, marital status, name 
of spouse, name of kids, grotto affiliation.  Then at the end they want you to 
send them a color picture of yourself, a bill would then be sent out for two 
payments of $50 for the hard bound book.  Or because I am a member, would 
bundle a sweatshirt, and book bag, and a digital copy, for two payments of 
$75...  I didn't provide much info, but started questioning it by the end.



Anyone know anything about this?  Is it a scam?   Is the NSS publishing the 
members manual in hardback?

Allen





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[Texascavers] an animated story with a cave scene

[David]

I have no earthly idea what this is or supposed to be

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdIVP1IaH3M

I am guessing it is a short animated story, featuring 2 miners
( gov't scientist ?? ) in a toxic cave ( on a mysterious island ?? ).

Things gets real corny as the story progresses.

This is associated with the RUST video game, but I have no idea
how or what that means.

I will let someone else elaborate on this if it is even relevant.

D.L.
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