Re: [Texascavers] caving release form

[Marvin Miller]

I noticed that too. Thanks for cleaning it up, Buford.

M. Miller

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 7:23 AM Buford Pruitt  wrote:

> For some reason, it came through a little messed up, so I repaired the
> mess and fixed a few typos. See attached.
> Buford
>
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> On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:08 PM Katherine Arens 
> wrote:
>
>> here it is in word..  Thank you Adobe
>> katie
>>
>> On May 11, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Chris Vreeland 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This might be pretty old by now, but it’s a PDF:
>>
>> http://www.chrisvreeland.com/ReleaseAndWaiver/ReleaseAndWaiver.pdf
>>
>> On May 11, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Marvin Miller  wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a printable caving release form referencing the Texas
>> Sportsman's Law? This would be a good thing to post on the TSA website.
>>
>> Marvin Miller
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Re: [Texascavers] A road-trip story - Part 2

[Linda Palit]

Live life. You are a bit preoccupied with death.


On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 12:51 AM David  wrote:

> This is just to say I got home safe and that I hope you all had an
> uneventful trip home.   It was a 3-1/2 drive each way to the TSC from my
> apartment in Alief ( west Houston ).  I might could shave some time off
> that with an EZ-Tag.   Had I had someone to help me drive, I could have
> done the round trip in under 6 hours.  The hardest part of that drive was
> on Hwy. 290 in between Cypress and Hempstead. And there was a tiny
> traffic jam at the construction of the South MoPac Expressway around (
> LaCrosse ?? ).
>
>
> The Celebration of Life for Bill Russell appeared to be better than anyone
> could hope for when one passes on.
>
> A whole lot of work went into that.  Obviously, Bill Mixon had a role to
> play in that.
>
> On a different note,
>
> I now have a vague idea what the TSC is all about, and some of the work
> that someday might need to get done.
> Will there ever be another crowd and feast like that there again ?
>
> The weather was perfect for camping and I had camping gear, but after
> nearly four hours there, I had to quietly sneak out and head home.
>
> I only took a few selfies at the TSC ( away from the Memorial Gathering. )
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k2hxofo68apszjt/AACFdXL5KqZ01GRQhx_4HLvya?dl=0
>
> If I didn't get a chance to say hello to you at the memorial gathering, or
> ignored you, it wasn't intentional.
> When one only sees somebody once or twice a year for a few minutes, it is
> sort of awkward or
> embarrassing, to not be able to remember their name and basic stuff, like
> where are they from.There were
> people there that I had met over 30 times in the past 34 years, but very
> briefly each time, and so it was some what like walking
> into the movie-set of a "Cheers" episode.
>
> David Locklear
>
>
> And on a slightly humorous note,
>
> At my memorial service ( in hopefully 2065 ), I would like the food to be
> sloppy-joes on a toasted sesame-seed bun, grilled crab
> croquettes with crawfish etoufee gravy, grilled ground-sirloin with
> Ranch-Style beans, ice-cold Fentiman's Ginger Beer, S.O.S.
> ( thin beef on Mrs. Baird's white bread with brown gravy ),  poached-eggs
> with hollandaise sauce, beer-battered
> french-fries, and a steamed-tamal ( Veracruz-style ), and grilled
> prawn-shrimp with spicy Huatescan sauce, and deep-fried
> stuffed avocado, and chicken marsala over angle-hair pasta.I plan to
> eat at least 2 or 3 of those things on my 55th birthday,
> which is only 60 days away.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

[Galen Falgout]

My mom always said I’d you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say
anything at all

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:48 PM Don Cooper  wrote:

> Sorry - I didn't have any intention for ANYONE but locklear to recieve
> that message!!!
>
>
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> Galen Falgout 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2019 5:44 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks
>
> Just gonna day that it is totally in called for to use that kind of
> language on the list serv. I’ve said this once before and will say it
> again!!! IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT SOMEONE SEND IT IN A
> PRIVATE MESSAGE.
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 PM Don Cooper  wrote:
>
>
> Did you know Bill was faculty for many years in the nuclear physics
> department at the University of Chicago?  No?  And you STILL DON'T KNOW
> SHIT - so just SHUT THE FUCK UP
>
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> David 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2019 11:25 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks
>
> Bill was interesting fellow.
>
> Is that better ?
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Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

[Don Cooper]

Sorry - I didn't have any intention for ANYONE but locklear to recieve that 
message!!!



From: Texascavers  on behalf of Galen 
Falgout 
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 5:44 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

Just gonna day that it is totally in called for to use that kind of language on 
the list serv. I’ve said this once before and will say it again!!! IF YOU HAVE 
SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT SOMEONE SEND IT IN A PRIVATE MESSAGE.

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 PM Don Cooper 
mailto:wavyca...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Did you know Bill was faculty for many years in the nuclear physics department 
at the University of Chicago?  No?  And you STILL DON'T KNOW SHIT - so just 
SHUT THE FUCK UP


From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 on behalf of David mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 11:25 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

Bill was interesting fellow.

Is that better ?
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Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

[Galen Falgout]

Just gonna day that it is totally in called for to use that kind of
language on the list serv. I’ve said this once before and will say it
again!!! IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING BAD TO SAY ABOUT SOMEONE SEND IT IN A
PRIVATE MESSAGE.

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 PM Don Cooper  wrote:

>
> Did you know Bill was faculty for many years in the nuclear physics
> department at the University of Chicago?  No?  And you STILL DON'T KNOW
> SHIT - so just SHUT THE FUCK UP
>
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> David 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2019 11:25 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks
>
> Bill was interesting fellow.
>
> Is that better ?
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Re: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

[Don Cooper]

Did you know Bill was faculty for many years in the nuclear physics department 
at the University of Chicago?  No?  And you STILL DON'T KNOW SHIT - so just 
SHUT THE FUCK UP


From: Texascavers  on behalf of David 

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 11:25 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

Bill was interesting fellow.

Is that better ?
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[Texascavers] Common, folks

[David]

Mixon posted dozens of reviews in various formats.  That was his niche.

I was only paying a tribute to a friend.
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[Texascavers] Oops - come on, folks

[David]

Bill was interesting fellow.

Is that better ?
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Re: [Texascavers] A news story

[Don Cooper]

Dumbass doesn't even know the difference between a Greyhound and a Saluki...


From: Texascavers  on behalf of Don Cooper 

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:42 AM
To: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] A news story

After reading your horrible review of Mr. Bill Mixon's life -
I'm surprised you've not endured MORE lawsuits as a result of your narcissistic 
wagging tongue.


From: Texascavers  on behalf of David 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:57 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] A news story

The cave rescue from Thailand is back in the news.

This time Elon Musk is going to have to lawyer up.

Personally, Elon Musk is one of my heroes and I would love to be on the jury.

It might be interesting to somebody to hear the minute details of how it all 
came from moody reaction to a stupid tweet to a major embarrassment for Tesla.

My recollection is that Unsworth clearly initiated the attack, and that is 
probably going to hurt Unsworth's case.

Unsworth clearly came across as a pr*ck in the initial attack.

Elon did not deserve that.

The other thing that might hurt Unsworth is if Elon's P.I. had real dirt on 
Unsworth such as PayPal transactions to a brothel in Thailand.


[ Sidenote:

Surprising to me, is that I once lost a much bigger defamation lawsuit.   As 
far as I know, I only wasted $ 1,000 on court fees.I can only hope that I 
never hear about it again.   I was lucky it all happened before I was on social 
media.  But unlike, Elon, I was somewhat set up and got rail-roaded and mine 
was not intentional - but the jury gave plaintiff a victory, and I was an hour 
late filing the appeal. ]

I assume Unsworth is an experienced caver.

Elon's speleo-capsule would have worked in a larger passage.   The media is to 
blame for calling it a "submarine."

Unsworth was risking his life to save the boys and he was ordered to stop 
because someone told him a "submarine" was on the way. Anybody would have been 
royally pissed off at Elon for that interference.

The media went to town when Unsworth expressed that anger.

And Elon clearly misunderstood why Unsworth was so angry.   From Elon's 
viewpoint, he had just spent 3 days and a million dollars out of his pocket to 
rescue the boys - that he thought were trapped beyond a larger sump.

It was all just a misunderstanding that the media blew up.

Elon chose a bad tweet.   Even if he has proof Unsworth enjoys the company of 
14 year old Thai, that is legal over there, or at least not discouraged.

Elon should have given an olive-branch to Unsworth in some form, but I guess he 
knew it would end up in court.

I bet Elon will possibly say that he was stoned and doesn't remember the tweet.

Also, Elon only sent one tweet, while Unsworth gave the same trash-talk to 
numerous new networks worldwide ( I wonder if they paid him ).  Elon can 
probably counter-sue.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] A news story

[Linda Palit]

I am awestruck at David’s consistent ability to get under people’s skin.  I
also would suggest to David that it is inappropriate to give dead people
stars, as in rating them in any way.

People, do not expend needless energy.  Life is too valuable to waste.

On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 11:13 AM Don Cooper  wrote:

> Dumbass doesn't even know the difference between a Greyhound and a
> Saluki...
>
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> Don Cooper 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:42 AM
> *To:* CaveTex
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] A news story
>
> After reading your horrible review of Mr. Bill Mixon's life -
> I'm surprised you've not endured MORE lawsuits as a result of your
> narcissistic wagging tongue.
>
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> David 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 10, 2019 6:57 PM
> *To:* CaveTex
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] A news story
>
> The cave rescue from Thailand is back in the news.
>
> This time Elon Musk is going to have to lawyer up.
>
> Personally, Elon Musk is one of my heroes and I would love to be on the
> jury.
>
> It might be interesting to somebody to hear the minute details of how it
> all came from moody reaction to a stupid tweet to a major embarrassment for
> Tesla.
>
> My recollection is that Unsworth clearly initiated the attack, and that is
> probably going to hurt Unsworth's case.
>
> Unsworth clearly came across as a pr*ck in the initial attack.
>
> Elon did not deserve that.
>
> The other thing that might hurt Unsworth is if Elon's P.I. had real dirt
> on Unsworth such as PayPal transactions to a brothel in Thailand.
>
>
> [ Sidenote:
>
> Surprising to me, is that I once lost a much bigger defamation lawsuit.
>  As far as I know, I only wasted $ 1,000 on court fees.I can only hope
> that I never hear about it again.   I was lucky it all happened before I
> was on social media.  But unlike, Elon, I was somewhat set up and got
> rail-roaded and mine was not intentional - but the jury gave plaintiff a
> victory, and I was an hour late filing the appeal. ]
>
> I assume Unsworth is an experienced caver.
>
> Elon's speleo-capsule would have worked in a larger passage.   The media
> is to blame for calling it a "submarine."
>
> Unsworth was risking his life to save the boys and he was ordered to stop
> because someone told him a "submarine" was on the way. Anybody would have
> been royally pissed off at Elon for that interference.
>
> The media went to town when Unsworth expressed that anger.
>
> And Elon clearly misunderstood why Unsworth was so angry.   From Elon's
> viewpoint, he had just spent 3 days and a million dollars out of his pocket
> to rescue the boys - that he thought were trapped beyond a larger sump.
>
> It was all just a misunderstanding that the media blew up.
>
> Elon chose a bad tweet.   Even if he has proof Unsworth enjoys the company
> of 14 year old Thai, that is legal over there, or at least not discouraged.
>
> Elon should have given an olive-branch to Unsworth in some form, but I
> guess he knew it would end up in court.
>
> I bet Elon will possibly say that he was stoned and doesn't remember the
> tweet.
>
> Also, Elon only sent one tweet, while Unsworth gave the same trash-talk to
> numerous new networks worldwide ( I wonder if they paid him ).  Elon can
> probably counter-sue.
>
> D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon

[Don Cooper]

Katie -

>From our discussions about David's posts - I'm reminded that there are FANS 
>also, of very very poorly performed music
His evaluation of Bill Mixon absolutely TEARS IT!  His output is no longer 
welcome -  in my computer's input.
Happy that I didn't see him blab about William!
Hope all is well.  I think of you almost daily.

-Don C.

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Katherine 
Arens 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 7:38 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon

Nice remembrance,  — but the dogs were Salukis, not greyhounds (short-haired 
afghan hounds).  With memorable names like Silly and Sally.  Sally could open 
tight-shut coolers to steal cheese . . .

On May 9, 2019, at 6:25 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I can only give Bill Mixon an 8.1 out of 10 stars.

Bill was a male, slightly bald, about 5'-9", light complected, almost skinny.

Bill was somewhat of a curmudgeon - but only when he was not with his beloved 
greyhounds.   He was especially saddened after he had to start living without 
his last dog.

He presented himself around me, as a passive person, content to sit in one spot 
at camp for a good part of the weekend and talk to anyone willing to start an 
interesting conversation.

I deducted the first star, because he did not like Rock and Roll, nor maybe not 
any noisy music at all.

And the second deduction, goes to his frugalness or thriftyness.   Did he ever 
upgrade from DOS to Windows ?   Or get a 64-bit computer ?  I would be tempted 
to put an AMD Threadripper in has ashes, just so he can tell Oztotl that he got 
one as a going away present, as a warm token of admiration.

Anyways, I hope there are greyhounds and a giant dog-park in the afterlife, so 
that he can enjoy eternity on his terms.


Below is a story that I have told many times:


I first met Bill Mixon in October of 1984 while on a weekend excursion as a 
sophomore student at Texas A&M University ( College Station campus ).


Bill was standing at the bottom of a large sinkhole in a remote ranch in west 
Texas.  I had no idea why.


Myself, ( an Aggie ), and another new young newbie caver from Univ. of Texas at 
Austin, Ed Sevcik, were staring down at him.   The two of us had missed the 
group going into the cave, and we both were standing at the edge of the 
sinkhole peering down into it.


( UT cavers had hauled out tons of rusted rubble the day before or trip before, 
so we had a clean safe view of the sinkhole )


We both were unsure what to do.  There was no ladder or rope, and a fall would 
be potentially bad.   There was nothing to see, but Bill, and an ugly hackberry 
tree, which oddly, was the only tree for 50 miles.


We had no idea who Bill was, or where everybody had disappeared to.


Bill yelled up to us on how to use the tree limbs and tree trunk in the 
sinkhole to descend the sharp drop-off and climb down using the tree as a 
hand-hold.


To our surprise, the actual cave entrance at the bottom of the sinkhole was 
just a tiny intimidating belly crawl.


That was my introduction to a first real Texas cave.


We learned the cave was known as "Big Tree Cave," but its official name was 
"Langtry Lead Cave."   Cavers were deep inside, allegedly pushing a lead and 
maybe re-surveying.


I chose to sit there in the sinkhole, as did my new found friend, Ed.


Ed was much bigger than me, so he might have even been more intimdated by the 
tiny entrance.


Bill was almost a generation older than us, and we assumed he was an 
experienced caver.  My first impression of Bill was that he seemed like a 
pleasant spoken guy.


Eventually, Bill convinced us to give the entrance a go.


We three crawled into the tiny entrance, and started some very fun climbs - 
going downward into the belly of the cave.


About the 5th climb down, we chickened-out.Ed and I could not believe there 
was no rope or hand-line. It looked like a bottomless pit, but was actually 
only 23 feet at the deepest part, which was more of an illusion, as if you 
fell, it would have only been 12 feet.  Our cheezy headlamps were not bright 
enough to see that the climb was the easiest of all the climbs.  [ I doubt I 
had anything more than a cheap flashlight. ]


We three set there, in the dark and Bill talked to us about caves and caving 
for probably an hour.


Then Bill showed us how to climb back out of the cave.  That was so much fun, 
that we went back and forth several times.


Eventually we did the 5th climb down and it was so much fun, that we also did 
that several times.


We eventually met up with the cavers.  Bill felt his job was done ( helping 
newbies ), so he headed back out to camp to enjoy the desert sunset.


That group ( in sort of a small junction room ) which were two Aggie cavers: 
John Ragsdale, and Freddie Platt, and also several Austin cavers, James Reddell 
and maybe Bill Elliot and about 10 others.  They pointed us in the di

Re: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon

[Don Cooper]

DON'T SAY A FUCKING *WORD* ABOUT ME IF I DIE BEFORE YOU DO, ASSHOLE!


From: Texascavers  on behalf of David 

Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 6:25 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] My "Review" of Bill Mixon

I can only give Bill Mixon an 8.1 out of 10 stars.

Bill was a male, slightly bald, about 5'-9", light complected, almost skinny.

Bill was somewhat of a curmudgeon - but only when he was not with his beloved 
greyhounds.   He was especially saddened after he had to start living without 
his last dog.

He presented himself around me, as a passive person, content to sit in one spot 
at camp for a good part of the weekend and talk to anyone willing to start an 
interesting conversation.

I deducted the first star, because he did not like Rock and Roll, nor maybe not 
any noisy music at all.

And the second deduction, goes to his frugalness or thriftyness.   Did he ever 
upgrade from DOS to Windows ?   Or get a 64-bit computer ?  I would be tempted 
to put an AMD Threadripper in has ashes, just so he can tell Oztotl that he got 
one as a going away present, as a warm token of admiration.

Anyways, I hope there are greyhounds and a giant dog-park in the afterlife, so 
that he can enjoy eternity on his terms.


Below is a story that I have told many times:


I first met Bill Mixon in October of 1984 while on a weekend excursion as a 
sophomore student at Texas A&M University ( College Station campus ).

Bill was standing at the bottom of a large sinkhole in a remote ranch in west 
Texas.  I had no idea why.

Myself, ( an Aggie ), and another new young newbie caver from Univ. of Texas at 
Austin, Ed Sevcik, were staring down at him.   The two of us had missed the 
group going into the cave, and we both were standing at the edge of the 
sinkhole peering down into it.

( UT cavers had hauled out tons of rusted rubble the day before or trip before, 
so we had a clean safe view of the sinkhole )

We both were unsure what to do.  There was no ladder or rope, and a fall would 
be potentially bad.   There was nothing to see, but Bill, and an ugly hackberry 
tree, which oddly, was the only tree for 50 miles.

We had no idea who Bill was, or where everybody had disappeared to.

Bill yelled up to us on how to use the tree limbs and tree trunk in the 
sinkhole to descend the sharp drop-off and climb down using the tree as a 
hand-hold.

To our surprise, the actual cave entrance at the bottom of the sinkhole was 
just a tiny intimidating belly crawl.

That was my introduction to a first real Texas cave.

We learned the cave was known as "Big Tree Cave," but its official name was 
"Langtry Lead Cave."   Cavers were deep inside, allegedly pushing a lead and 
maybe re-surveying.

I chose to sit there in the sinkhole, as did my new found friend, Ed.

Ed was much bigger than me, so he might have even been more intimdated by the 
tiny entrance.

Bill was almost a generation older than us, and we assumed he was an 
experienced caver.  My first impression of Bill was that he seemed like a 
pleasant spoken guy.

Eventually, Bill convinced us to give the entrance a go.

We three crawled into the tiny entrance, and started some very fun climbs - 
going downward into the belly of the cave.

About the 5th climb down, we chickened-out.Ed and I could not believe there 
was no rope or hand-line. It looked like a bottomless pit, but was actually 
only 23 feet at the deepest part, which was more of an illusion, as if you 
fell, it would have only been 12 feet.  Our cheezy headlamps were not bright 
enough to see that the climb was the easiest of all the climbs.  [ I doubt I 
had anything more than a cheap flashlight. ]

We three set there, in the dark and Bill talked to us about caves and caving 
for probably an hour.

Then Bill showed us how to climb back out of the cave.  That was so much fun, 
that we went back and forth several times.

Eventually we did the 5th climb down and it was so much fun, that we also did 
that several times.

We eventually met up with the cavers.  Bill felt his job was done ( helping 
newbies ), so he headed back out to camp to enjoy the desert sunset.

That group ( in sort of a small junction room ) which were two Aggie cavers: 
John Ragsdale, and Freddie Platt, and also several Austin cavers, James Reddell 
and maybe Bill Elliot and about 10 others.  They pointed us in the direction of 
a long crawl to the "Hall of Unicorns."Once reaching that point, I knew 
then that my secret passion that I had had since 1968 as a 4 year old - to go 
cave exploring - was now something etched permanently into my D.N.A.. ( from 
watching the tv kid's episode - "Davey and Goliath - Lost in the Cave" )

[ Sidenote:

Over the years, I returned there many times and went to what may be the bottom 
of the cave at least twice.  The rancher there was nice to us Aggies from 1985 
to about 1990, but then he sold the ranch to a rancher that was more worried 
about liability.  We returned a few 

Re: [Texascavers] A news story

[Don Cooper]

After reading your horrible review of Mr. Bill Mixon's life -
I'm surprised you've not endured MORE lawsuits as a result of your narcissistic 
wagging tongue.


From: Texascavers  on behalf of David 

Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 6:57 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] A news story

The cave rescue from Thailand is back in the news.

This time Elon Musk is going to have to lawyer up.

Personally, Elon Musk is one of my heroes and I would love to be on the jury.

It might be interesting to somebody to hear the minute details of how it all 
came from moody reaction to a stupid tweet to a major embarrassment for Tesla.

My recollection is that Unsworth clearly initiated the attack, and that is 
probably going to hurt Unsworth's case.

Unsworth clearly came across as a pr*ck in the initial attack.

Elon did not deserve that.

The other thing that might hurt Unsworth is if Elon's P.I. had real dirt on 
Unsworth such as PayPal transactions to a brothel in Thailand.


[ Sidenote:

Surprising to me, is that I once lost a much bigger defamation lawsuit.   As 
far as I know, I only wasted $ 1,000 on court fees.I can only hope that I 
never hear about it again.   I was lucky it all happened before I was on social 
media.  But unlike, Elon, I was somewhat set up and got rail-roaded and mine 
was not intentional - but the jury gave plaintiff a victory, and I was an hour 
late filing the appeal. ]

I assume Unsworth is an experienced caver.

Elon's speleo-capsule would have worked in a larger passage.   The media is to 
blame for calling it a "submarine."

Unsworth was risking his life to save the boys and he was ordered to stop 
because someone told him a "submarine" was on the way. Anybody would have been 
royally pissed off at Elon for that interference.

The media went to town when Unsworth expressed that anger.

And Elon clearly misunderstood why Unsworth was so angry.   From Elon's 
viewpoint, he had just spent 3 days and a million dollars out of his pocket to 
rescue the boys - that he thought were trapped beyond a larger sump.

It was all just a misunderstanding that the media blew up.

Elon chose a bad tweet.   Even if he has proof Unsworth enjoys the company of 
14 year old Thai, that is legal over there, or at least not discouraged.

Elon should have given an olive-branch to Unsworth in some form, but I guess he 
knew it would end up in court.

I bet Elon will possibly say that he was stoned and doesn't remember the tweet.

Also, Elon only sent one tweet, while Unsworth gave the same trash-talk to 
numerous new networks worldwide ( I wonder if they paid him ).  Elon can 
probably counter-sue.

D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] caving release form

[Buford Pruitt]

For some reason, it came through a little messed up, so I repaired the mess
and fixed a few typos. See attached.
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On Sat, May 11, 2019 at 11:08 PM Katherine Arens 
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> here it is in word..  Thank you Adobe
> katie
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> On May 11, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Chris Vreeland 
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> This might be pretty old by now, but it’s a PDF:
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> http://www.chrisvreeland.com/ReleaseAndWaiver/ReleaseAndWaiver.pdf
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> On May 11, 2019, at 9:29 PM, Marvin Miller  wrote:
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> Does anyone have a printable caving release form referencing the Texas
> Sportsman's Law? This would be a good thing to post on the TSA website.
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> Marvin Miller
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