Re: [Texascavers] Mexican vehicle permit related

2017-11-19 Thread AC via Texascavers 
David,

You can also apply for the Temporary Importation Permit online. 

http://sat.gob.mx/BienvenidoaMexico/Paginas/permiso_vehiculo_eng.html

You can buy Mexico insurance online and print it out immediately. I use Baja 
Bound. Www.bajabound.com


Smart phone, stupid autocorrect

> On Nov 19, 2017, at 8:27 PM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> From David Locklear
> Hit delete button now, please.
> 
> 
> 
> I am posting this here because someone might have had some vague intangible 
> interest.
> 
> 
> This post is only for U.S.A. people wanting to drive their car deep into 
> Mexici, and who do not live near a bordertown, nor want to have vehicle 
> importation problems at the "aduana" slow down their trip.
> 
> 
> In Houston, in order to get a "vehicle" permit it is a huge hassle.
> 
> But before I get to that, you first need to have a car title, or an official 
> letter from the leinholder.   It is helpful if that is a credit union, and 
> that process of getting them to provide such a letter for the first time 
> takes about 24 hours.  They will not give you the letter unless you first 
> purchase Mexico insurance.   That really sucks, because you are throwing all 
> that time and money down the toilet, if you change travel plans.
> 
> So once you have all that, here is what I had to do:
> 
> Step 1:call Mexico long-distance and apply over the phone for a formal 
> interview appointment. 
> 
> # 011-52-55-5626-0500
> 
> You get a complicated voice menu and you enter a 4-digit extension.
> 
> This has to be done at least 24 hours in advance.
> 
> The operator will tell you which appointment slots are available with the 
> Mexican Consulate Office in the mid-town area of Houston
> ( Hwy 59 and Fannin St. ).   
> 
> Step 2:   Then you have to drive there the following weekday ( or later) 
> arriving exactly 5 minutes before the appointment.  You stand in a 
> complicated line outside on Caroline St. ( very reminiscent of the movie 
> "Soylent Green," waiting for your Soylent Green ration. )  you feel there 
> like you are no longer in the USA, nor even in the 21st Century.
> 
> You have to be careful here for pickpockets and scammers and muggers from 
> your parking spot to the line.  There is one security guard at the main 
> pedestrian gate which is the only way to enter.
> 
> Once in line, you do a bizarre childish ritual of musical chairs for an hour 
> with some scary looking guys that resemble Enrique Penya Nieto.  In my case, 
> there was a super gorgeous lady sitting next to me and so I gave her my 
> number and asked her to please forward it to her younger sister who she said 
> was single in Mexico.  While in line they pull you out for 5 minutes for an 
> interview with person of low IQ.  You have to formally declare your religion 
> to them, along with other bizarre questions.
> 
> Fortunately, I read the fine print of my initial interview form while sitting 
> in the line, because the clerk typed that I was from Aruba.
> 
> At the end of the line - the window ( Banjercito ), you begin the vehicle 
> stuff.   It is chaotic - 2 clerks and 2 tourist using the same window.  There 
> are no holes in the window for speaking, so you have to yell and listen 
> carefully. You want to say to yourself, WTF !Nothing is logical.   All 
> they ever asked for was a copy of the Texas Vehicle Registration paper that 
> you get when you apply for a state registration window sticker.  I do not 
> recall seeing them look at the credit union letter, nor my insurance.   But I 
> would not have done all that without first assuring myself that I could get 
> my credit union permission.
> 
> Then you hand them a credit card, and they charge $ 470.   The $ 400 part is 
> a deposit, and there are more bizarre questions, the rest is a standard 
> processing fee.They did not ask about my former vehicle papers, but it 
> has been 13 years.
> I assume I get the deposit back in July ??   I have never ever done anything 
> that stupid, that I recall.
> 
> 
> 
> In addition to all that,
> 
> in my case, I also spent money on gas driving there, as I do not live in 
> Harris County, and also paying to park in a place my car could have easily 
> been broken into.
> 
> I will say, that after leaving the Consulate Office with the permit in hand 
> that it gives one a warm fuzzy feeling - until you receive the text message 
> your charge card was hit with $ 470. 
> 
> My permit is good until May 19th, and my credit union says they will amend 
> the letter next time I want to go again.AAA clerk said that that was too 
> much of a hassle and hope I don't have to do that insurance again.
> 
> 
> 
> As far as other expenses getting ready for a road-trip, so far
> 
> All I did to the Sequoia was change the oil, but Jiffy Lube charged $ 112.  I 
> didn't have time to do it myself.
> 
> Then I spent time searching junk-yards for an extra spare tire, which was $ 
> 70 plus about $ 5 spent on gas.  Fortunately it is

Re: [Texascavers] TCR food

2017-02-20 Thread AC via Texascavers 
Stefan,

I remember Niki Lake bringing a bunch of hog to either the first or second time 
at Paradise Canyon. 

Just for the record, I really appreciate the years you cooked for me at TCR. 
Thank you again. Let's get together at TCR, have some leisurely drinks, and 
watch all the fun. 

Allan

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> On Feb 19, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> That one wasn’t cooked until Sunday morning.
>  
> Help isn’t required at this point, Ryan, there is always plenty of that. 
> Someone to be in charge is.
>  
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> ryan monjaras via Texascavers
> Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 7:21 PM
> To: texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR food
>  
> 2011 at Flat Creek Ranch. I like the idea of a hog on a spit as it ties in 
> with the viking theme, and I would be happy to help. 
>  
> Ryan Monjaras 
> "Semper Exploro"
>  
> Maverick Grotto 
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> UT Grotto 
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> Texas Speleological Association 
> Texas Cave Management Association 
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>  
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> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+.
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>  
>  Original message 
> From: David via Texascavers 
> Date: 2/18/17 6:25 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] TCR food
>  
> If you are not going to have a hog rotating over a wood fire and fire-roasted 
> vegetables then why even have a dinner ?Or at least some food cooked over 
> wood, or at least charcoal.
>  
> I am just curious when was the last time that the hog's head was the 
> centerpiece of the table ?   
>  
> I hope to arrive at TCR on Saturday at 5 pm. and hopefully find some leftover 
> scraps.
>  
> I can only pray that I will be single by then.
>  
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

2016-10-10 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Que chistoso eres Nico, cuando tú te preocupas por las tajadas económicas y
los políticos, cuando la gente local dice que lo que pasa en la cueva son
puros cuentos... nosotros nos preocupamos porque no haya más gente enferma,
en marzo del presente año,  el presidente municipal y director de turismo
municipal de Candela le dieron la bienvenida con bombo y platillo a 150
niños scouts que invitaron a entrar a la cueva.

150 niños entraron a la cueva con dos guías, todos al mismo tiempo, todos
fueron expuestos, todos enfermaron, dos niños de gravedad entre ellos el
hijo de un amigo que se debate entre la vida y la muerte. Pero eso no lo
comentan, en los medios solo hablan de 60 u 70 niños que entraron a una
cueva en Rosita.


Si en mis manos está ayudar, lo haré con trabajo profesional como todo
espeleólogo investigador.


Saludos


Moni








El 10 de octubre de 2016, 22:31, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Nada nuevo bajo el sol, el gobierno despilfarrando el dinero de los
> contribuyentes en tonterías, seguro dpi tiene sus conexiones en la
> administracion y se llevo su lanita, y de paso los que realizaron el
> estudio tambien alcanzan tajada.. encima de eso publican resultados en
> cuanto boletin se los permite cual si fueran hallazgos nuevos, todo por
> obtener notoriedad e inflar sus egos.
>
> Nothing new under the sun, the government squanders taxpayer's money on
> bs, surely dpi has conections inside the administration and they got their
> share, plus the people who performed the study got their cut as well.. on
> top of that they publish results on whatever newsletter/publication will
> allow them to, as if these were new discoveries, all to be renowned and
> inflate their own egos.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 8:58 PM, "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via
> Texascavers"  escribió:
>
>> Estimado Nico Escamilla,
>>
>> Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
>> Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
>> Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
>> Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
>> Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
>> logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
>> en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
>> la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
>> siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.
>>
>> Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos
>> contrato para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso
>> en la Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que
>> represento, y de una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que
>> no entienden que la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.
>>
>> Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI
>> y  nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
>> León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
>> cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.
>>
>> Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres
>> que no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
>> demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por ningun
>> motivo como Turistica.
>>
>> Y  desafortunadamente entre politicos y cambios de gobierno, desde 1963
>> se es sabido como dice Charles Loving que la cueva tiene el Histo, pero,
>> como siempre te dicen que no tienen absolutamente nada que lo compruebe.
>>
>> De esta manera y en la clausula de mi contrato se especificó que si el
>> resultado era positivo o negativo,  independientemente de ello se
>> publlicaría en los foros a los que pertenecemos y lo publicaríamos en los
>> medios, revistas especializadas y más, porque como comunidad espeleológica
>> tenemos la obligación de compartir datos de ésta índole.
>>
>> Buenas noches.
>>
>> Monica Ponce.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-10-10 18:34 GMT-05:00 Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com>:
>>
>>> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population,
>>> but now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
>>> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>>>
>>> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave.
>>> The officia

Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

2016-10-10 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Estimado Nico Escamilla,

Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.

Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos contrato
para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso en la
Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que represento, y de
una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que no entienden que
la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.

Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI y
nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.

Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres que
no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por ningun
motivo como Turistica.

Y  desafortunadamente entre politicos y cambios de gobierno, desde 1963 se
es sabido como dice Charles Loving que la cueva tiene el Histo, pero, como
siempre te dicen que no tienen absolutamente nada que lo compruebe.

De esta manera y en la clausula de mi contrato se especificó que si el
resultado era positivo o negativo,  independientemente de ello se
publlicaría en los foros a los que pertenecemos y lo publicaríamos en los
medios, revistas especializadas y más, porque como comunidad espeleológica
tenemos la obligación de compartir datos de ésta índole.

Buenas noches.

Monica Ponce.



2016-10-10 18:34 GMT-05:00 Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
> now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
> escribió:
>
> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
> official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
> sufficient for a bureaucrat.
>
> Joe Ranzau
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went
> there to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades
> that the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people
> who got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its
> like looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine
> whether or not its red.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>
>> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
>> original version for reference.
>>
>> Joe
>> 210.289.6839
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
>> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>>
>>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El
>>> Carrizal, Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of
>>> you can read.
>>>
>>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>>> turistic activities.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Monica Ponce
>>> MP Mex Caving.
>>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>>> ACEAC
>>> EspeleoCoahuila
>>> 10/10/2016
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>>
>>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>>> UIS
>>>
>>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>>
>>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

2016-09-01 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Thank you very much. friends..
:)

2016-09-01 17:46 GMT-05:00 Karen Perry via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> So Fritz what would you like to know about me?
> Karen
>
>
> --
> *From:* Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
>
> I don't know Karen Perry but would like to read a short bio on who and
> where she is.
> Fritz Holt
> fritz...@gmail.com
> An old 50's and 60's spelunker.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Karen Perry via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> The entire incident is recorded in detailed time log, complete with
> newspaper articles in the November 1971 Texas Caver.The boys that drowned
> were Chris Cleveland 18, and Bruce Stone 17, both from Houston, Texas.
>
> Yep, I still have some caving stuff like early Texas Cavers. By the way,
> does anyone have a copy of the Paleo inventory from Inner Space cavers pre
> 1974 that list the Homo Sapien tooth? By 1974 it hafd been removed due to
> religious outcry so to avoid controversy the owners/ board decided to
> simply remove the tooth from the inventory log.
>
> Later,
> Karen Perry
>
>
> --
> *From:* Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> *To:* Cavers Texas 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
>
> A couple of people, scouts I think, swam the wrong way in the syphon and
> drowned. It was back when I was caving a lot. Raines and I swam the syphon
> with a Rayovac flashlight and two canteen belts latched together. The
> flashlight lasted just long enough for us to get back out. Really dumb.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:53 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.
> I have heard they are under water.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

2016-08-31 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Gill thank you.

The situation is this.. The Secretary of Tourism create a project to use
the cave for tourism, they tender a project of ecotourism and
sustainability in the cave. A constructor win the tender.

The cave have an  incident in the month of march, 25 people (teachers and
students scouts) are sick all of them. But the woman of SECTUR said she
visit there and not have fungus...
They ask me if I can make a test,  I said yes. the Dr. Biologist from UANL
 Javier Banda and Sergi Gomez they will help me to do this test.. The next
week I will visit the cave with a security level 3 (is high)  to take some
samples of  soil  and air, to send a laboratory.

With the result of that test,  we can close the cave, if we don´t do that.
They can open the cave for tourism an is a bad idea.

Monica Ponce

2016-08-31 15:16 GMT-05:00 Gill Ediger via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> Moni--I would suggest that you not visit Cueva de Carrizal and not take or
> send anyone else there. There have been sufficient incidents  of people
> getting histoplasmosis to warn them there is a danger of contacting a lung
> fungus. Only people with a known or demonstrated resistance to histo should
> visit that cave.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:31 AM, Asociación Coahuilense de
> Espeleología AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>
>
> thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation
> the cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?
>
> Moni
>
> 2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>:
>
> Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/1825.pdf
> <http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/1825.pdf>
>
> Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/ bul/bul1.pdf
> <http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul1.pdf> (~100 MB)
>
>
> There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS
> Newsletter vol 3 #4, at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/ nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf
> <http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

2016-08-31 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Do you have the dates of that accident?
do you know is someone write an article about it? could you please share
with me

Mónica Ponce

2016-08-31 11:57 GMT-05:00 Charles Loving via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> A couple of people, scouts I think, swam the wrong way in the syphon and
> drowned. It was back when I was caving a lot. Raines and I swam the syphon
> with a Rayovac flashlight and two canteen belts latched together. The
> flashlight lasted just long enough for us to get back out. Really dumb.
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:53 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.
>>
>> I have heard they are under water.
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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

2016-08-26 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation
the cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?

Moni

2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
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> Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/1825.pdf
>
> Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul1.pdf (~100 MB)
>
> There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS
> Newsletter vol 3 #4, at
> http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf
>
> --Mixon
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[Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

2016-08-26 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Hi Friends

I need your help

I need information about the Carrizales Cave on Candela, NL/ Lampazos, NL
some of you visit this cave, the people named "Cueva Maldita" because have
Histoplamosis.

I know some of you visit that cave since 1967 Gill Ediger  or in other time
Peter Strikland, Rodolfo Gonzalez , George Veni. & others, .. Gill send me
an article about Bustamante area and said something about that cave...

Well I need to know if you have more articles to talk about that cave, If
you make a test about the guano, histo, water? I remmember Laura Rosales
take a some test of water,  Laura finaly write the results? could you
please share with me?

Some of you can help me?

Mónica Ponce
Coahuila.

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Re: [Texascavers] urgently need quick translation into SPanish

2016-06-04 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Hi Bill
I just to see this message

Moni

2016-06-01 13:08 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers <
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> Thanks, Fofo. Glad to hear they're in good hands. -- Bill
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Re: [Texascavers] Sierra de Santa Rosa Muzquiz

2016-04-11 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
what do you need to know?

Monica Ponce

2016-04-09 11:37 GMT-05:00 via Texascavers :

> Anybody know anything about the Sierra de Santa Rosa, the Rio Sabinas,
> or Muzquiz?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Sleazel
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention Photo & Map Salon-April 23rd, 2016

2016-03-11 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Ellie if I send a photo digital ... how you show this?
Moni Ponce
El mar 9, 2016 12:33 PM, "Ellie Falgout via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Cavers,
>
> I will be chairing the Photo & Map Salon for the TSA Spring Convention on
> April 23rd at the Fairgrounds in Rock Springs, TX. Please prepare your
> photos and maps to show off to the Texas Cavers. Cash prizes for the
> winners! I also need judges for the salons, please let me know if you are
> willing to assist.
>
>
>
> *PHOTO SALON *Photo Salon rules at
> http://www.cavetexas.org/events/photosalon.html Prints must measure at
> least 8 x 10 inches, but not larger than 20 x 24 inches. All entries must
> be mounted, but not framed. The print’s title should appear either on the
> matte or on the mount directly below the print. Photos that do not meet
> rules will not be judged.
>
> Categories:
>
>- Print
>- Digital
>
> Photos must be submitted to me, Ellie Falgout or emailed to
> donarb...@gmail.com by 10:00 a.m on Saturday, April 23rd. Any entries
> received after 10:00 am will not be judged.
>
> Photo Salon Judging Criteria:
> http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/2012_TSAConventionPhotoSalonJudgingForm.pdf
> Photo Entry Form: 
> http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/2012_TSAConventionPhotoSalonEntryForm.pdf
>
>
> *MAP SA**LON*
> Map Salon rules at http://cavetexas.org/events/mapsalon.html. Entry forms
> will be available at convention. Map must be created in the last year,
> anything older will not be judged. (Significant modifications or additions
> made within the last year to older maps may also be submitted.)
>
> Hard copies of all maps must be submitted to me, Ellie Falgout, by 10:00
> a.m on Saturday, April 23rd. Any entries received after 10:00 am will not
> be judged.
>
> Categories:
>
>- Caves under 100 m
>- Caves over 100 m
>- First-time Cartographer
>
> Map Salon Judging Criteria: http://cavetexas.org/PDF/map2007judging.pdf
>
> See you soon,
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante Cave

2016-03-02 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Atention

Ryan Monjaras

Carson  (David Fuls)

Herman Miller.

Hi friends, thank you to answer,
well, I want to visit Bustamante cave every month, the days or program
depends of the people can come, I will define a dates after march 12,
because., the permissión is on  the week, and not all the people can come
in that days, so I want to talk with the director for move the dates at
weekend.

Let me know the days can you come and figure out how to be agree.

I will start on April ... let me know which days can you come, and if you
have shuntos, disto, which habilities for survey do you have to help me.
and advance more fast.

thank you

Moni Ponce.

2016-03-01 19:27 GMT-06:00 Herman Miller via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> Hola Monica,
>
> Mas informacion por favor.  Yo necessita  El datos por de anos 2016 y
> 2017.  MI trabajan necessita Mas tiempo por vacaciones.
>
> Hello monica,
>
> More information please. I need dates for 2016 and 2017.  My job requires
> me to put in for vacation time a year ahead of time.
>
> Muchos gracias,
> Herman miller
> her...@cavechat.org
> On Mar 1, 2016 16:44, "David Fuls via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> As would I. What dates are being considered?
>>
>> -Carson
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* ryan monjaras via Texascavers 
>> *To:* texas cavers 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 10:48 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante Cave
>>
>> I would be interested in upcoming trips. What are the dates?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+.
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via Texascavers" <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Date: 3/1/2016 11:03 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TSA Cavers 
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Bustamante Cave
>>
>> Hi Everyone.
>>
>> I just to obtain a permission from the new authorities of the goverment
>> on Nuevo León, to start the survey project  on Bustamante Cave. this
>> permission is for two years
>>
>> Do you want come to participe with me to finish the survey?
>>
>> Please let me know if you are interest? write me at this email and I can
>> answer all your questions.
>>
>> If you really wants to help me on Bustamante Cave survey, please contact
>> me.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mónica Ponce
>>
>> Note:
>> And let me tell you, in past time about some people of this clube
>> anounced information about the birthday passage. I'm so sorry about it. but
>> now, they are not more members this association, so you don't have problems
>> with them.
>>
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[Texascavers] Bustamante Cave

2016-03-01 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
Hi Everyone.

I just to obtain a permission from the new authorities of the goverment on
Nuevo León, to start the survey project  on Bustamante Cave. this
permission is for two years

Do you want come to participe with me to finish the survey?

Please let me know if you are interest? write me at this email and I can
answer all your questions.

If you really wants to help me on Bustamante Cave survey, please contact me.

Regards

Mónica Ponce

Note:
And let me tell you, in past time about some people of this clube anounced
information about the birthday passage. I'm so sorry about it. but now,
they are not more members this association, so you don't have problems with
them.


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Re: [Texascavers] Job opening at NCKRI

2016-01-19 Thread Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers 
sounds very good George ..

saludos

Moni

2016-01-17 22:40 GMT-06:00 George Veni via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> Dear Friends,
>
>
>
> Late last year I announced a job position that is open at the National
> Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI). With the holidays, the timing of
> my message was poor so I’m re-sending this announcement in case you or
> anyone you know may be interested. Please feel free to pass along this
> message.
>
>
>
> NCKRI is hiring an event planner. The basic information is below. NCKRI is
> administered by the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (NMT) and
> so the hiring process is through NMT. All job applications and questions
> about applying for the job must be directed to NMT through:
> http://www.nmt.edu/hr-jobs-at-nmt. If you have questions about the
> expectations of the job itself that are not covered in the information
> below or at the above website, you are welcome to contact me. I will add
> that no one should overlook the part of the job requirements on experience.
> If someone doesn’t have the degree or certifications we’re asking for, we
> will seriously consider candidates with appropriate experience.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> *EVENT PLANNER*
>
> *LOCATION: CARLSBAD, NM*
>
>
>
> *NEW MEXICO INSTITUTE OF MINING AND TECHNOLOGY* seeks applicants for an
> Event Planner for National Cave and Karst Research Institute. Successful
> applicant plans, supervises, executes, and evaluates events for the
> Institute and all of its programs. The events focus on fundraising but
> include and are not limited to awards, conference, media, and promotional
> activities. Coordinates with other Institute staff as needed to assure all
> event materials are accurate and well prepared, and to focus event
> activities whenever possible to support the Institute and its programs
> financially and to build their reputation and volunteer base. Some events
> will be conducted in cooperation with Institute partners. Additionally,
> maintains, manages, and updates the Institute’s donor, visitor, outreach,
> and volunteer databases, and conducts administrative and other duties as
> required. Applicants should send a resume, transcripts and the names, email
> addresses and phone numbers of three employment references to: New Mexico
> Institute of Mining and Technology, 801 Leroy Pl., Human Resources Brown
> Hall, Box 155, Socorro, NM 87801. For information about this position,
> visit our web page http://www.nmt.edu/hr-jobs-at-nmt. E-mail applications*
> NOT* accepted.
>
> 
>
> George Veni, PhD
>
> Executive Director
>
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
>
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>
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>
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Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)

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Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)

Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)

Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)

Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)

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Re: [Texascavers] Now for something totally asinine :

2015-04-30 Thread AC via Texascavers 
In Bracken Bat Cave you get a wifi signal almost to the halfway point in the 
cave. The bat web cam has a router on it so you have a good line of sight into 
the cave. No tourists in that cave but it is amusing to be on the Internet 
while standing in guano. 

Allan

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> On Apr 30, 2015, at 12:35 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ruby Falls installs wireless Internet for cave visitors
> Don't bump into that stalagmite while you're Facebooking.
> Ruby Falls is installing Wi-Fi so visitors to the cave can stay connected on 
> their underground trip to the waterfall.
> At 1,120 feet underneath Lookout Mountain, the attraction says it's the 
> deepest Internet access available inside a commercial cave anywhere, and a 
> first for Chattanooga.
> Visitors will be able to share their memories with loved ones in real-time. 
> Staff will be able to use the wireless Internet to enhance safety in the 
> cave, with 13 security cameras and 10 phones now installed, Ruby Falls said 
> in a news release.
> The attraction says it partnered with EPB and InfoSystems to make the 
> installation possible without detracting from the natural elements of the 
> cave.
> 
> http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2015/apr/29/ruby-falls-installs-wireless-internet-cave-visitors/301436/
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Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

2015-01-18 Thread AC via Texascavers 
Heather, 

Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:

1. They never get it right. 

2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing you say (or didn't 
say). 

3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it. 

Allan

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> On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I widely spread how 
> ignorant I am about caves. Barton Springs salamanders in Whirlpool Cave? As 
> if! Never did I even mention endangered anything!
> 
> That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need any help putting 
> black marks on my name. Sheesh!
> 
> 
> 
> -Tucek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine, Alcalde.  ... Sam
>>  
>> http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
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