Re: [Texascavers] TCMA Life Members

[Bruce Anderson via Texascavers]

Cavers always welcome.

 

Bruce

 

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Denise P via Texascavers
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Uh oh, watch out for visitors! My husband Dale is from there and we visit as
often as possible. Glad to be back in touch!

 

Thanks,

Denise

 

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via Texascavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> >
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCMA Life Members 

 

Bruce & Donna Anderson

21 Hackamore PL

Pagosa Springs, CO  81147

 

970-731-9715

956-330-7544  Bruce Cell

956-607-6901 Donna Cell

 

We retire to Colorado and love it.

 

Now everyone knows,

Bruce

 

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Subject: [Texascavers] TCMA Life Members

 

Hello-The TCMA has outdated contact info for the following life members, so
please contact me off list if you are one of these persons or have pertinent
contact info (email, address, etc.).

 

Donna Anderson

Bruce Anderson

James Reddell

Jacqueline Belwood

Mike Grimm

 

Thanks,
Denise Prendergast

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Re: [Texascavers] TCMA Life Members

[Bruce Anderson via Texascavers]

Bruce & Donna Anderson

21 Hackamore PL

Pagosa Springs, CO  81147

 

970-731-9715

956-330-7544  Bruce Cell

956-607-6901 Donna Cell

 

We retire to Colorado and love it.

 

Now everyone knows,

Bruce

 

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Subject: [Texascavers] TCMA Life Members

 

Hello-The TCMA has outdated contact info for the following life members, so
please contact me off list if you are one of these persons or have pertinent
contact info (email, address, etc.).

 

Donna Anderson

Bruce Anderson

James Reddell

Jacqueline Belwood

Mike Grimm

 

Thanks,
Denise Prendergast

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Re: [Texascavers] Any cavers near Mansfield, Texas ??

[Bruce Anderson via Texascavers]

The most economical solution is to rent a tow bar and a pickup at a weekend 
rate.  If you can put the transfer case in neutral and the transmission in park 
it could be towed to Houston without an issue. If the transfer case cannot be 
put in neutral, then disconnect the drive shafts at the differentials and tie 
them up to the bottom of the SUV. Keep the trans in park and tow to Houston. As 
long as the transmission is not turning over there is no issue towing with a 
tow bar. You will also need to have rear lights on the towed SUV. 

If the motor turns over but will not start it seems doubtful that it needs a 
"new motor".  You need to get it to Houston and it checked by someone who knows 
what they are doing. As already pointed out it can be sold as is or parted out. 

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> On Jun 25, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Missy Singleton via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> We live north of Mansfield off 20 and Bowen.  I am sorry I didn't see your 
> emails when you were passing through last time.
> 
> Missy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 25, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Louise Power via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> David,
>> 
>> 
>> Take my initial advice and sell the damned thing. The transfer case alone, 
>> if it's not in too bad shape, should get you most of your money back (at 
>> least it would have in the GOD [good ol' days]). You're right in one thing, 
>> stop letting your possessions possess you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Texascavers  on behalf of David 
>> via Texascavers 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:56 AM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Cc: David
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Any cavers near Mansfield, Texas ??
>>  
>> I must force myself to take an internet hiatus and focus
>> on getting out of a giant pickle jar.
>> 
>> Currently, the situation is somewhat like Humpty Dumpty,
>> except there are not yet any king's men, or any king's horses.
>> 
>> Here is my latest Craigslist ad:
>> 
>>   https://houston.craigslist.org/com/6192188142.html
>> I need a large SUV towed and stored
>> houston.craigslist.org
>> My SUV is in a mechanic shop in Mansfield on F.M. 157. I can not afford to 
>> replace the motor. The mechanic needs the vehicle removed immediately. I 
>> need to store it somewhere near Mansfield for 3...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please email me privately, if you want to hear about lots of bizarre drama 
>> that 
>> is about to unfold.The next few weeks will certainly involve 
>> hitch-hiking, 
>> sleeping in my hot rental storage unit, giving up Wendy's chocolate Frosties 
>> for about 3 years, and other non-essential things to survive.
>> 
>> I have been here before.   It is all deja vu. 
>> 
>> It is just that this time, I have a car-note on a car that does not run, and 
>> a kid, and a 
>> mortgage for a house that I do not live in, and I was in good health during 
>> the last
>> pickle-episode.You may think that all sounds sad.I am doing far 
>> better than those 
>> landslide victims in Xinmo, or the family that went swimming in Lake Temple, 
>> or the 
>> homeless people from Grenfell Tower in London, etc.
>> 
>> There is an old wise expression. 
>> 
>>   "Do not let your possessions possess you." 
>>   
>> I believe that.However, that guy didn't owe money to people for those
>> possessions, or rely on those possesions to get to work.
>> 
>> David Locklear
>> 281-995-8487 ( text okay )
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Re: [Texascavers] From bad to worse

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No that was "Father knows Best". Your thinking of "Animal House". 

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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 2:01 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wasn't 'David Knows Best' a teevee show?
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> David,
>> What you should have done is stayed home and taken care of business as your 
>> beer budget would have allowed. But then, David knows best.
>> Such hindsight I have. Fritz
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 8:34 PM, David via Texascavers 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > I spent the entire day with a roadside mobile-mechanic futily attempting 
>> > to get back on the road.
>> >
>> > I abandoned the Sequoia at the Chevron station, and called my 
>> > estranged-brother-in-law ( my half-sister's husband ) to come rescue me.  
>> > That was a low-point in my life.
>> >
>> > A wrecker service is supposed to take the Sequoia to a shop in the town of 
>> > Mansfield, where it may need expensive repairs.
>> >
>> > I am at my half-sister's house now, in Mansfield quite bummed out and 
>> > concerned about my immediate future.
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, drama is going on down in Houston that I should have been there 
>> > to deal with.
>> >
>> > At this point, I am past the limit of exhaustion to deal with it all.
>> >
>> > I should have gone and sat in front of a waterfall like my 6th Sense told 
>> > me to do.
>> >
>> > I must find a ride to Houston.   I may have to take a bus.
>> >
>> > David Locklear
>> > <20170621_194323_HDR.jpg>
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bruce Anderson]

So

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> On Feb 28, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Bob Oakley  wrote:
> 
> couldn't be boystown. they will not let him in
> 
> 
> 
> From: Texascavers  on behalf of Bruce 
> Anderson 
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:50 PM
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>  
> Is that in boys town?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
>> Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David  wrote:
>>> Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
>>> Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, 
>>> it was met with lots of resistance.
>>> 
>>> Flash forward 7 years,
>>> 
>>> I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate 
>>> Facebook to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person 
>>> had posted a harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely 
>>> enough to convince a jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 
>>> 
>>> I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very 
>>> careful about what you post on the internet.
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Re: [Texascavers] Facebook related

[Bruce Anderson]

Is that in boys town?

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> On Feb 27, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> Bockbeer in Acuna with some strange people.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:39 PM, David  wrote:
>> Way back around 2009 ( I think ) I was trying to encourage cavers to use 
>> Facebook.I think I even posted once on CaveTex about it.At first, it 
>> was met with lots of resistance.
>> 
>> Flash forward 7 years,
>> 
>> I was hired this week and paid respectably by an attorney to excavate 
>> Facebook to dig up dirty laundry on his client's accuser.That person had 
>> posted a harmless joke on a public forum, but it may be just barely enough 
>> to convince a jury that the defendant can not be proven guilty. 
>> 
>> I am just saying that this is probably happening every day, so be very 
>> careful about what you post on the internet.
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR Food]

[Bruce Anderson via Texascavers]

Although I was not one of the original cooks it seems a friend by the name of 
Charlie got me involved and I cooked the corn for a number of years. 

As Charlie points out we got old although not as old as some. Cooking is hard 
work and back then we did it because we liked to cook. 

The thing is we would cook all day Saturday and then come Sunday there would be 
a huge mess to clean up with very little help. 

I've always observed that those who complained the most did little or no work 
and would show up with no food expecting to get feed all weekend. 

The thing is we have moved out of Texas to the mountains of Colorado so we will 
not be going to OTR (ya I know it now called something else). 

My suggestion is to figure out what was allocated in the fee for Saturday 
dinner. Find out what it is going to cost to have BarBQue catered. Deduct the 
old cost bump it up 15 - 20% to be sure there is enough food. 

Anyone complaint tell them it's they and those like them who never help.

Bruce

Charlie, party on...

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cooking is work. And I think that became obvious to our last head cook and 
> there is little in the way of recompense other than a pat on the back. That 
> only works for so long. And like I have said I was head cook for many years 
> and retired. Felicia Vreeland was my second in command and ran a very tight 
> ship. The whole idea started moons ago when we decided to have a caver cook 
> off at a ranch in Wimberly where the old UT Grotto guys showed up. I know It 
> isn't a Grotto. There were about 20 guys there and they all cooked what they 
> wanted to and enough to feed the crowd. We even had stuffed jelly fish, which 
> won first prize. It was pretty much fun. Lots of food and lots of BS. The 
> next was a real OTR and I know I call it by the wrong name. That was 
> Luckenbach the first OTR and there were maybe a dozen cooks. After that the 
> group got bigger because there was some competition as to how eclectic we 
> could get in our menu. Most everyone prepared 20 pounds of something. That 
> kept up for at least 20 years. And as time passed some of the cooks actually 
> died. Some got too old to cook and other just moved away. The core held on 
> for awhile and then they decided to pass the baton. Twentyfive years without 
> many new volunteers was not inspiring.
> 
> I have done a few events since then with catering. I always used someone I 
> knew really well to cater. I grew up with Jim Mosley and his brother in law 
> and ate at their house and remember the Dellwood Cafeteria with Jimmy's ice 
> sculptures. Long gone and long ago. His son did the HEB Thanksgiving feeds in 
> SA and was excellent. He did a couple of weddings for me and they were great. 
> Lots of food and variety. But I lost contact with them and all their eating 
> places have closed. But I am sure someone knows a good caterer who would 
> understand the drill. You give them a menu and they prepare it. I always 
> think three meats and as many salad and veggies as possible and perhaps the 
> cavers make the deserts? This is just an idea. BBQ works as well as Mexican 
> food. There are some great BBQ places in and around Fredicksburg and San 
> Antonio is a bastion of Mexican food. Ed Alexander once upon a time catered 
> Luckenbach with enchiladas in 1970. But he is gone now to the cave in the sky.
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Currently TCR doesn't have a head cook, or menu. There have been complaints, 
>> rumors and talk about this subject. It seems there are three options: (a) 
>> fend for yourselves, (b) caterer, (c) volunteers come forward to cook.
>> Each has its benefit and drawbacks. I need to get a feel for options.
>> 
>> Discuss:
>> 
>> 
>> --Tex Caver
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --Don
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Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

[Bruce Anderson via Texascavers]

Well said Charlie!!

 

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Loving via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:02 PM
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 39th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion

 

Why are we stuck at Paradise Canyon? The OTR used to be fun when it moved 
around. Now it is in a rut. Paradise Canyon is OK but to me it is incredibly 
boring after the tenth time. I recall the first one where I and a few other 
cooked at Luckenbach. Then a lot of places all over Central Texas. Now it is 
stuck, dead in the water.

 

OK I was chief cook for 20 years and has a myriad of volunteer  people  who 
were involved in cooking. We had a rule for our volunteer cooks and there were 
about 35  or 40 of them. The rule was cook what you want but cook, but enough. 
Enough was a nebulous figure. We had tons of corn on the cob from the valley. 
Fish from Galveston, A roast pig, brisket, beef clod, chicken, turkey, hot 
links from Fredericksburg, bean salad, fruit salad, salad salad, black beans, 
refried beans, tortillas, pie, cake, cookies, a million brownies, chicken, 
Hatch chilis, gazpacho. all manner of stuff, we once had quail, and the people 
gobbled it up. 

 

All prepared by THE CAVER COOKS for the fun of cooking it. That tradition has 
died it would seem. Maybe caver don't cook anymore? Not sure why but the old 
cooks never got any new cooks to volunteer to take the reins. 

 

Maybe there was a great loss in cooking ability. I hate to say this but I 
haven't eaten the meal at OTR is four years. I am not sure why because I pay 
for it, but the last one just didn't meet my expectations. I apologize to those 
who worked so hard and long but what is, is and I am a dyed in the wool food 
Nazi. We didn't need a food trailer to cook in we just built fires and got 
after it.

 

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > wrote:

Paradise Canyon
October 12-15, 2017


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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

[Bruce Anderson via Texascavers]

Donna and I went into Cueva de Carizal years ago I think in the early 80’s.  We 
both wore respirators and did not get sick and we were in the stream and upper 
passages.  Later we were both tested and showed a resistance to histo.  But 
again we had been in many bat caves.  Since that time there have been numerous 
cases of cavers getting sick after visiting this cave.

 

Bruce

 

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Nico Escamilla via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 4:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

 

just a few months ago a boy scout troop visited the cave and many kids got 
histo.. 

 

El ago. 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Gill Ediger via Texascavers" 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > escribió:

Moni--I would suggest that you not visit Cueva de Carrizal and not take or send 
anyone else there. There have been sufficient incidents  of people getting 
histoplasmosis to warn them there is a danger of contacting a lung fungus. Only 
people with a known or demonstrated resistance to histo should visit that cave. 

--Ediger

 

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:31 AM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología 
AC. via Texascavers mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > wrote:

 

thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation the 
cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?

 

Moni

 

2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> >:

Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/1825.pdf 
 

Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ bul/bul1.pdf 
  (~100 MB)

There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS Newsletter 
vol 3 #4, at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf 
 

--Mixon
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LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ

Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la UIS

Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS

Directora de MP- Mex Caving 

Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)

Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)

Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)

Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)

Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)

Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)

Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)

Texas Speleological Association (Socia)

Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)

 



 



 

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Re: Re: [Texascavers] Monterrey safety update

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It has been a known fact for some time, here along the border, that Monterrey 
isnow controlled by the "narcos".  There are actually three cartels, Gulf 
Cartel, Zetas, Pactic Cartel.  Throw in the Mexican Army and the Mexican Navy 
(Marines) and you have a five way mix.  The cartels are actually out manuvering 
the Mexican miliatry.  The mexican miliatry has just been effective enough to 
disrupt things so that now you have the robberies, protection and other crap.  

Now the people in Monterrey with means no longer drive from Monterrey to the 
valley to shop but rather they hire private iarcraft to fly to them to the 
valley.  If driving to Monterry from here, it is best to convoy during the day 
only, even if using the auot pista.  Along the border no one goes into Mexcio 
at night if it all.  The good restuarants are now moving from Mexico to the US 
side.

As Gill says it will be interesting although if a revolution were to occur now 
the Naros would probably win.  Thye have too much money.

Bruce
  - Original Message - 
  From: tbsam...@verizon.net 
  To: gi...@att.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 3:10 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] Monterrey safety update


  & for years, the Mexican constabulary/bureaucracy has been underpaid and 
individuals try to improve their financial status  via versions of the mordida. 


  Feb 5, 2011 09:32:56 PM, gi...@att.net wrote:

What has happened, David, is that 3 factions (drug cartels, political
parties, independent bandits) have all been putting pressure on the
police & local governments to the point that the police are totally
ineffective and, perhaps, in cahoots with any and/or all of them. It
results in general lawlessness and promotes and encourages robberies
by bands of free-lance bandits--on all levels. What you have is chaos
and confusion as to what's really going on, where, when, why, and by
whom. The solution, when it comes, and the getting to it, is gonna be
interesting. And don't forget: Every 100 years there is a revolution
in Mexico.
--Ediger


On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:55 PM, David wrote:
> The U.S. State Department released this statement yesterday:
>
> "Recently, Monterrey has seen a significant increase of armed
> robberies in restaurants, coffee shops and
> convenience stores.  The robberies follow a similar modus operandi: a
> small group of armed individuals enter
> their target location, guard the doors and take purses, wallets,
> phones and other valuables from the patrons
> inside.  None of these robberies have resulted in violence or kidnapping."
>
>
> I saw somewhere else that they ordered their embassy and consulate
> staff to not be on the road at night
> around Monterrey, but haven't found confirmation of that.
>
>
> Anybody have any theories about how things got like this?I lived
> in Monterrey briefly during the summers
> of 1987 and 1988, and did all kinds of stuff at night, and I never
> felt or sensed danger.It seems to me these
> guys see expensive things they want, and they see that they can never
> have those things while working
> the kinds of  jobs their parents worked.
>
>
>
>
> Not related below, but worth mentioning,
>
> The U.S. gov't recently posted to be careful around water at 2
> particular hotels in Cozumel,
> as there have been cases of Legionnaries disease, suggesting it is in
> the jacuzzi's or the bath water, or
> swimming pool.
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Re: [Texascavers] 52 Ways to Die in a Cave

[Bruce Anderson]

#58   Getting flat rocked by someone in the group.
- Original Message - 
From: "Diana Tomchick" 

To: "Allan B. Cobb" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 52 Ways to Die in a Cave



How about

57. Getting "Puppied" at the shaft entrance of Honey Creek.

Diana

On May 25, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb wrote:


The "52 Ways" list is here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31358060/52-Ways-to-Die-in-a-Cave


I can think of many more ways.  Caving here in Belize I can add:

53.  Getting eaten by a jaguar
54. Being ripped apart by a gibnut (or tepescuintle) in a crawlway
55. Interupting looters while they are looting Maya artifacts

(I've been close to these.)

There are other ways too.

56. Being blugeoned to death by your fellow cavers with rappel  
racks.  (I've contemplated that a few times.)


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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

[Bruce Anderson]

There is a new tactic being used by the narcos.  Now if you come across a road 
block it could be either the military or the narcos.  The narcos have started 
putting up road blocks to protect their activates.  Thus if you come upon a 
road block and it is one of the naros you could be in jeopardy of getting 
caught in a shoot out.  They have used this tactic at numerous points at once 
across from the valley and this has also been utilized in Monterrey.

Thus if you hit a road block with a big backup or do not see soldiers my advice 
would be to turn around and get out of there ASAP.

Bruce
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fritz Holt 
  To: 'Rod Goke' ; 'a...@gluesenkamp.com' ; 'Geary Schindel' ; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Cc: 'Don Arburn' 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel


   

  Rod, 

   

  Good perspective. If armed, the key is being responsible and competent in the 
use of the firearm. Depending on the circumstances, you can't win them all but 
you may save the life of others as well as your own. I have had a CHL from the 
beginning but never carry. Living in Houston, I probably should. Deranged perps 
seem to like groups of potential victims.  

   

  Geezer

   


--

  From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:58 AM
  To: Fritz Holt; 'a...@gluesenkamp.com'; 'Geary Schindel'; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
  Cc: 'Don Arburn'
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

   

  In my experience, "old farts" and "geezers" with shooting skills often remain 
competent as marksmen long after their running abilities have diminished. 
Running only works when you're faster and more agile than the predators, 
otherwise it makes you look like tempting prey. Ever try running from a hostile 
dog? If so, you probably have bite marks to show for it.

   

  Even when a predator is confident that he could defeat you in a fight, he may 
be deterred from attacking by the thought that doing so would cost him more 
than he would gain. For a predator you cannot confidently outrun, the most 
effective defense usually is to appear nonaggressive enough to avoid provoking 
or cornering the predator, but to appear confident and capable of making any 
attacker pay a high price. Your chances of maintaining that kind of confidence 
and appearance are better when you have the means and the will to back it up.

   

  From all the reports I've read thus far, the Zetas are not motivated by 
religion or ideology to sacrifice themselves in suicide attacks. Instead, they 
are ruthless predatory criminals motivated by short term personal gain. They 
are willing to expose themselves to great risk and to show no mercy towards 
their victims, but only when they perceive that it's in their interest to do so.

   

  The safest, but most limiting, option, of course, is to avoid going anywhere 
with significant risk (like Andy's suggestion to cave in Canada :) ). In 
principle, the risk of criminal attack is like the numerous other risk we have 
to consider when planning caving trips and other activities. Sometimes we 
cancel or postpone trips when risks are considered excessive. When we do decide 
to go ahead with trips, we try to consider what can go wrong and to prepare 
appropriately. Fritz's suggestion about being armed when traveling in certain 
parts of Texas near the border is something worthy of serious consideration, 
especially if Geary Schindel's April 6 report is accurate about Zetas crossing 
the border not just for robbery, but to capture Americans for public torture 
and killing. Going armed is not something to take lightly, but neither are the 
alternatives. It's a subject that deserves the same careful consideration we 
give to other types of potential emergencies that can occur during caving trips.

   

  Rod

  -Original Message- 
  From: Fritz Holt 
  Sent: Apr 6, 2010 12:01 PM 
  To: "'a...@gluesenkamp.com'" , 'Geary Schindel' , 
"Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
  Cc: 'Don Arburn' 
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel 




  Well, I have had my three score and ten plus five but want a few more. If I 
see them coming first, maybe I can hide in the bushes and hope I don't fart 
until they're gone. That would be a preview of things to come. What is the old 
deer/elk hunters line? "I thought I heard an old bull snort".

   

  F.

   


--

  From: Andy Gluesenkamp [mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com] 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:47 AM
  To: 'Geary Schindel'; Texascavers@texascavers.com; Fritz Holt
  Cc: 'Don Arburn'
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

   

Uhm, Fritz?  If you encounter Zetas, RUN.  They are better armed than 
all of us combined.  Just remember those dove hunters who got hassled last 
year.  They 

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

[Bruce Anderson]

Mark,

Yesterday two men tried to hyjack a Ford F-250 from a couple of snowbirds.  
They were not successful but the couple was pretty shookup.  One of the 
hyjackers actually was in the cab.

In December there was a shoot out on the southside of Progresso.  that is the 
only trouble that I have heard of in Progresso but keep in mind its proximity 
to Rio Bravo which is a Zeta hang out.

Bruce
  - Original Message - 
  From: mark.al...@l-3com.com 
  To: Bruce Anderson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:07 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel


  Hi, Bruce!

   

   

  My in-laws live in Weslaco and used to go into Mexico at Progresso.

   

  Have you heard of any trouble or incidents near their area?

   

   

  Thanks,

   

  Mark

   

   

   

  From: Bruce Anderson [mailto:brewskyj...@rgv.rr.com] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:31 AM
  To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; a...@gluesenkamp.com; 'Geary Schindel'; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
  Cc: 'Don Arburn'
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

   

  I live in McAllen and our house sits about 14 miles from Mexico.  I still do 
a lot of business in Mexico on a regular basis.  With all of this said the only 
border town that I have been comfortable in the past year was Mexicali.  Of 
course now they have had an earthquake.  I have been through several minor ones 
there.  Actually friends of mine tell me that the damage was not that severe.

   

  Anyhow back to the point, things have deteriorated badly in the Texas valley 
along the border.  If you come across any of the Narcos, you can figure that 
they are probably better armed than you are going to be.  That said, I do carry 
as I have decided I will not go down without a fight.  Obviously while in 
Mexico I would not be carrying anything unless you want to see the inside of a 
Mexican jail.  Not pretty..  In the past week there have been about 30 
killed along the Rio Grand Valley border.  While most were involved in the drug 
business not all were.  There were a couple of kids killed over by Falcon Lake 
caught in the cross fire.

   

  The problem is that bullets just fly.  If you get caught in the cross fire or 
are behind the line of fire, you are in real danger.  If you are driving a Ford 
F-250 or a Suburban, you are in real danger as they are the Narcos favorite 
vehicles.  For about 5 or 6 weeks now every night on the local news there is 
something about killings, kidnapping or theft that has to do with the border 
drug business.  Tell anyone around here that there is not yet spill over into 
the US and they will know that you are full of it.  

   

  My mode of operation is to always be fully aware of my surroundings whether 
in Mexico or the US.  In the US, I am always armed either on my person or in my 
truck.  Driving in and out of the valley is also a concern.  As long as you are 
moving it is no problem.  If you have car trouble you are SOL between the 
border and George West.  There is plenty of drugs and people movement through 
this area.

   

  I guess there are some in our community that feel guns are not necessary.  
They probably are not if you never come across a problem.  I just do not feel 
that I am going down without a fight.  Rest assured if you come across some of 
the Naros on this side of the border you are in serious trouble and are in 
great jeopardy of being killed.  They just do not care.

   

  Bruce 

- Original Message - 

From: Fritz Holt 

To: 'Rod Goke' ; 'a...@gluesenkamp.com' ; 'Geary Schindel' ; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com 

Cc: 'Don Arburn' 

Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:47 AM

Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

 

 

Rod, 

 

Good perspective. If armed, the key is being responsible and competent in 
the use of the firearm. Depending on the circumstances, you can't win them all 
but you may save the life of others as well as your own. I have had a CHL from 
the beginning but never carry. Living in Houston, I probably should. Deranged 
perps seem to like groups of potential victims.  

 

Geezer

 




From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:58 AM
To: Fritz Holt; 'a...@gluesenkamp.com'; 'Geary Schindel'; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: 'Don Arburn'
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

 

In my experience, "old farts" and "geezers" with shooting skills often 
remain competent as marksmen long after their running abilities have 
diminished. Running only works when you're faster and more agile than the 
predators, otherwise it makes you look like tempting prey. Ever try running 
from a hostile dog? If so, you probably have bite marks to show for it.

 

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

[Bruce Anderson]

I live in McAllen and our house sits about 14 miles from Mexico.  I still do a 
lot of business in Mexico on a regular basis.  With all of this said the only 
border town that I have been comfortable in the past year was Mexicali.  Of 
course now they have had an earthquake.  I have been through several minor ones 
there.  Actually friends of mine tell me that the damage was not that severe.

Anyhow back to the point, things have deteriorated badly in the Texas valley 
along the border.  If you come across any of the Narcos, you can figure that 
they are probably better armed than you are going to be.  That said, I do carry 
as I have decided I will not go down without a fight.  Obviously while in 
Mexico I would not be carrying anything unless you want to see the inside of a 
Mexican jail.  Not pretty..  In the past week there have been about 30 
killed along the Rio Grand Valley border.  While most were involved in the drug 
business not all were.  There were a couple of kids killed over by Falcon Lake 
caught in the cross fire.

The problem is that bullets just fly.  If you get caught in the cross fire or 
are behind the line of fire, you are in real danger.  If you are driving a Ford 
F-250 or a Suburban, you are in real danger as they are the Narcos favorite 
vehicles.  For about 5 or 6 weeks now every night on the local news there is 
something about killings, kidnapping or theft that has to do with the border 
drug business.  Tell anyone around here that there is not yet spill over into 
the US and they will know that you are full of it.  

My mode of operation is to always be fully aware of my surroundings whether in 
Mexico or the US.  In the US, I am always armed either on my person or in my 
truck.  Driving in and out of the valley is also a concern.  As long as you are 
moving it is no problem.  If you have car trouble you are SOL between the 
border and George West.  There is plenty of drugs and people movement through 
this area.

I guess there are some in our community that feel guns are not necessary.  They 
probably are not if you never come across a problem.  I just do not feel that I 
am going down without a fight.  Rest assured if you come across some of the 
Naros on this side of the border you are in serious trouble and are in great 
jeopardy of being killed.  They just do not care.

Bruce 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Fritz Holt 
  To: 'Rod Goke' ; 'a...@gluesenkamp.com' ; 'Geary Schindel' ; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Cc: 'Don Arburn' 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:47 AM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel


   

  Rod, 

   

  Good perspective. If armed, the key is being responsible and competent in the 
use of the firearm. Depending on the circumstances, you can't win them all but 
you may save the life of others as well as your own. I have had a CHL from the 
beginning but never carry. Living in Houston, I probably should. Deranged perps 
seem to like groups of potential victims.  

   

  Geezer

   


--

  From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:58 AM
  To: Fritz Holt; 'a...@gluesenkamp.com'; 'Geary Schindel'; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
  Cc: 'Don Arburn'
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: Mexican Travel

   

  In my experience, "old farts" and "geezers" with shooting skills often remain 
competent as marksmen long after their running abilities have diminished. 
Running only works when you're faster and more agile than the predators, 
otherwise it makes you look like tempting prey. Ever try running from a hostile 
dog? If so, you probably have bite marks to show for it.

   

  Even when a predator is confident that he could defeat you in a fight, he may 
be deterred from attacking by the thought that doing so would cost him more 
than he would gain. For a predator you cannot confidently outrun, the most 
effective defense usually is to appear nonaggressive enough to avoid provoking 
or cornering the predator, but to appear confident and capable of making any 
attacker pay a high price. Your chances of maintaining that kind of confidence 
and appearance are better when you have the means and the will to back it up.

   

  From all the reports I've read thus far, the Zetas are not motivated by 
religion or ideology to sacrifice themselves in suicide attacks. Instead, they 
are ruthless predatory criminals motivated by short term personal gain. They 
are willing to expose themselves to great risk and to show no mercy towards 
their victims, but only when they perceive that it's in their interest to do so.

   

  The safest, but most limiting, option, of course, is to avoid going anywhere 
with significant risk (like Andy's suggestion to cave in Canada :) ). In 
principle, the risk of criminal attack is like the numerous other risk we have 
to consider when planning caving trips and other activities. Sometimes we 
cancel o

Re: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border

[Bruce Anderson]

Yes you did.  thanks again.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Don Arburn 
  Cc: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border


  Didn't I tow you and your truck to Bustamante from Minas Viejas once?


  All I can say is, the Federales have some cool 4x4 caving vehicles with 
propellers and turrets at the borders. There, caving related and on topic. 




  Don's iPhone.

  On Feb 24, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Bruce Anderson  wrote:


I actually live in deep south Texas in McAllen.  I was in Juarez the first 
of the month and I can tell you that it is just as bad here as there only they 
keep it quiet around here.  The problem is that you need to be very aware of 
your surroundings.  Bullets do not care what is in their path.  The US 
officials were on high alert down here twice last week with swat teams at the 
crossings because they thought it might spill over into the US.

I am in and out Mexico doing business very frequently and all I can say is 
be very aware of your surroundings and be careful where you go.  You may still 
get caught in the cross fire.  There have been two gun fights one in Matamoros 
and one in Reynosa in the shopping malls in the past week.

As far as the Mexican officials are concerned, I have learned how to pay 
the bribe game and never had and major problems other than spending time and 
bribe money getting it done.  I can tell you this.  I do not mind the drive out 
of south Texas but it would be very scary having a breakdown between McAllen 
and George West in the middle of no where.  There are narcos (drug runners) and 
coyotes (people runners all through that region.  I am not saying whether I 
carry or not but I will say I will defend myself.

Bruce
  - Original Message - 
  From: Geary Schindel 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border


  This is in response to the new posting on travel to Mexico.  This is from 
my caver friend that works in the Office of Homeland Security here in San 
Antonio.  He is also on Texas Cavers list but prefers to keep a low profile.  
Something to think about.

  Geary



  Hi Geary!

  They said they were going to renew that.  I am glad they did.  Some of 
the areas are very dangerous right now.  Folks just need to be aware of the 
threat and that things can turn sour very quickly.  Bullets are not picky who 
they hit during a gunfight.

  There has also been an increase in drug trafficking from Big Bend NP to 
Maverick County along the Texas border in the US.  In the last six months there 
has been at least two LARGE shipments picked up in Big Bend NP itself.  It is 
Very similar to what they are doing out in Organ Pipe National Park.  These are 
not the normal "wetback with drugs" scenario.  These are well armed individuals 
dressed in black or camouflage carrying fairly large amounts of contraband.  
They usually travel at night and have normally a number of set pick up points 
which they rotate around.  Cell phones are such a help to all.  They will avoid 
contact if possible but if cornered have been know to fight.  Normally if they 
are pressed hard they will drop there cargo and disappear but like stated 
before, they will fight if cornered and usually are quite ready to do that.  
They don't play by the same rules that we do.

  There has also been an increase in human trafficking (two or three young 
women from Mexico/Central America being sold in slavery or prostitution)  These 
are not so heavily armed but the handlers have been aggressive in the last 
couple months.  If confronted they will run and leave there cargo (the women) 
but there has been several incidences of ranchers and hunters being jumped at 
gates and such as the handlers were trying to steal the vehicle.  Packing a 
handgun seems to be a quick cure as they know most ranchers and hunters will 
use them if they can.  Just tell the guys to be careful going through gates to 
the caves late at night or early in the morning.  The buddy system works and 
safety in numbers is a good thing.  Two or more people they will evade and 
avoid.  They have been breaking into vehicles at night as well along the border.

  This time of year seems to be the time that this increases as the weather 
is more temperate and they can move large groups at night quite easily.  Hope 
this helps some.  Just thought you would want to know and maybe pass this on.  

  From your local Department of Homeland Security Friend!  :)  Take care 
Bro!

Re: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border

[Bruce Anderson]

I actually live in deep south Texas in McAllen.  I was in Juarez the first of 
the month and I can tell you that it is just as bad here as there only they 
keep it quiet around here.  The problem is that you need to be very aware of 
your surroundings.  Bullets do not care what is in their path.  The US 
officials were on high alert down here twice last week with swat teams at the 
crossings because they thought it might spill over into the US.

I am in and out Mexico doing business very frequently and all I can say is be 
very aware of your surroundings and be careful where you go.  You may still get 
caught in the cross fire.  There have been two gun fights one in Matamoros and 
one in Reynosa in the shopping malls in the past week.

As far as the Mexican officials are concerned, I have learned how to pay the 
bribe game and never had and major problems other than spending time and bribe 
money getting it done.  I can tell you this.  I do not mind the drive out of 
south Texas but it would be very scary having a breakdown between McAllen and 
George West in the middle of no where.  There are narcos (drug runners) and 
coyotes (people runners all through that region.  I am not saying whether I 
carry or not but I will say I will defend myself.

Bruce
  - Original Message - 
  From: Geary Schindel 
  To: Cavers Texas 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:26 AM
  Subject: [Texascavers] Travel along the US Mexico border


  This is in response to the new posting on travel to Mexico.  This is from my 
caver friend that works in the Office of Homeland Security here in San Antonio. 
 He is also on Texas Cavers list but prefers to keep a low profile.  Something 
to think about.

  Geary

   

  Hi Geary!

  They said they were going to renew that.  I am glad they did.  Some of the 
areas are very dangerous right now.  Folks just need to be aware of the threat 
and that things can turn sour very quickly.  Bullets are not picky who they hit 
during a gunfight.

  There has also been an increase in drug trafficking from Big Bend NP to 
Maverick County along the Texas border in the US.  In the last six months there 
has been at least two LARGE shipments picked up in Big Bend NP itself.  It is 
Very similar to what they are doing out in Organ Pipe National Park.  These are 
not the normal "wetback with drugs" scenario.  These are well armed individuals 
dressed in black or camouflage carrying fairly large amounts of contraband.  
They usually travel at night and have normally a number of set pick up points 
which they rotate around.  Cell phones are such a help to all.  They will avoid 
contact if possible but if cornered have been know to fight.  Normally if they 
are pressed hard they will drop there cargo and disappear but like stated 
before, they will fight if cornered and usually are quite ready to do that.  
They don't play by the same rules that we do.

  There has also been an increase in human trafficking (two or three young 
women from Mexico/Central America being sold in slavery or prostitution)  These 
are not so heavily armed but the handlers have been aggressive in the last 
couple months.  If confronted they will run and leave there cargo (the women) 
but there has been several incidences of ranchers and hunters being jumped at 
gates and such as the handlers were trying to steal the vehicle.  Packing a 
handgun seems to be a quick cure as they know most ranchers and hunters will 
use them if they can.  Just tell the guys to be careful going through gates to 
the caves late at night or early in the morning.  The buddy system works and 
safety in numbers is a good thing.  Two or more people they will evade and 
avoid.  They have been breaking into vehicles at night as well along the border.

  This time of year seems to be the time that this increases as the weather is 
more temperate and they can move large groups at night quite easily.  Hope this 
helps some.  Just thought you would want to know and maybe pass this on.  

  From your local Department of Homeland Security Friend!  :)  Take care Bro!