Re: [Texascavers] Free Carbide

[Ed Alexander]

I could use a half pound or so - thats a good two or three year supply. 
Bring it to TCR and we'll divvy it up.

Cheers,
Ed


Bill Stephens wrote:
If anyone is still interested in carbide, I have a barrell that is ~60% 
full (or 40% empty depending on your perspective). It is available for 
free to whomever claims it first. While the barrell is in beautiful, 
exotic Wichita Falls, I am willing to provide it  transportation to its 
new owner at TCR.
 
Bill Stephens




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Re: [Texascavers] new laws

[Ed Alexander]

Mimi's favorite ride is on top of the Trooper.

Nancy Weaver wrote:
When I think of the fun I had when I was a kid doing things that are 
now illegal -- Mixon


Really.  My dad used to let the 3 of us (ages 3 - 9) ride all over 
Rockport on the tailgate of the station wagon holding onto whatever we 
could find.  Thank god for growing up in the 50's.




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Re: [Texascavers] RE: new Texas laws

[Ed Alexander]

I'm surprised that the law doesn't require water activated emergency 
latches for tailgates. Would have prevented the deaths of the three boys.



Frank Binney wrote:
There was a �riding in a pickup bed� tragedy with some Missouri cavers a 
few years back. Three boys from the Deep Ozarks Grotto were riding in 
the back of an open pickup truck on the way home from a cave trip when 
the driver lost control and the truck went off the highway and into the 
Buffalo River. The Missourians in the back of the truck couldn�t get the 
tailgate down in time and drowned.

/
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Re: [Texascavers] RE: new Texas laws

[Ed Alexander]

Of that we are certain..

Mark Minton wrote:
 Of course logic never stopped legislators from passing stupid 
laws...


Mark



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Re: [Texascavers] Low Altitude Photos of Mars

[Ed Alexander]

Scale?

Chris Vreeland wrote:

Through trip!

On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:51 PM, David wrote:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_009488_1745_cut_a.jpg 



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Re: [Texascavers] delete button

[Ed Alexander]

Ah, the word police have appeared, and in this case I support them fully.
Thanks for the words Bill.


Mixon Bill wrote:
I have a delete button like everybody else, but it nevertheless takes a 
while to delete forty new Texas Cavers list messages that are ten words 
each. And those worthless little "Me either" messages must be a real 
pain to those who monitor their e-mail messages frequently or are 
pestered by their cell phones every time one arrives. At least I see my 
e-mail only when I tell my computer to fetch it.


If you don't have at least a couple of complete sentences of new and 
interesting material to add, how about not replying, or replying only to 
the original sender? How about a 100-word minimum? (This message is one 
hundred seventeen words.)-- Mixon


To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
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Re: [Texascavers] ICS follow-up

[Ed Alexander]

I left on sunday with a scratchy throat and had cold/allergy/sinus 
symptoms all week.

Ed


Katherine Arens wrote:
Bill Russell and Katie Arens both had colds with (respectively) a bad 
cough and a sore throat.  No fevers that we noticed.

-k

Dear Cavers,
 
My three cabin mates from ICS have come down with 102 plus fever in 
the last few days.  I've been asked to see if there have been other 
ICS attendees who may have developed a fever and pneumonia.
 
I know two folks missed our Bexar Grotto meeting on Monday the 27th 
due to illness, but I don't know the symptoms.
 


Rick Corbell
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Latest WNS Info

[Ed Alexander]

So, what keeps the european insect population in check??


Minton, Mark wrote:


Mark Minton

*Re: Fungus serious threat to NE bats*

by PYoungbaer Jul 7, 2009 5:48 pm

 <>


  Europe, however, has not seen large bat
mortalities. In part, some speculate, that's because Europe does not 
have large bat colonies - no where near the huge colonies we see in 
American caves.


 <>
 


Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161
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[Texascavers] RIP - Benny Martin

[Ed Alexander]

Benny Martin died Monday in his cabin on the Llano River where he has 
been living for a number of years. Benny participated in some of the 
early explorations in the Xilitla area in the 60's, including the trip 
to Sotano de la Tlamaya that broke the North American depth record. An 
account of that trip is in the AMCS Newsletter, Vol. 1, Num. 1.



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Re: [Texascavers] camping at ICS ?

[Ed Alexander]

I would be interested in the cabin if there is someone to share/split it
with. I need two of the beds for myself and daughter, Mimi.
Ed Alexander

On 6/24/09, bcow...@satx.rr.com  wrote:
>
> I still have one a/c cabin at shriner park would anyone like to rent it for
> the week 16th-26th contact me asap before i turn it back to the park for
> other folks. You can have up to 8 people on the site the cabin holds four
> and you also have a camp space for a tent or pop up. There is no power for
> the camper if you use the a/c in the cabin.

Re: [Texascavers] Gold mines in Texas

[Ed Alexander]

There was, of course, the San Saba mines of ledgend and some history. First
mined by the Spanish. Jim Bowie later went off looking for them. Google "san
saba mine" for a bunch of stuff, esp.
http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/LL/dkl5.html. The
Handbook of Texas Online is a great resource for all things historical in
Texas.

On 6/25/09, Thomas Sitch  wrote:
>
> Sort of on-topic, and I know there are a lot of crack geologists on this
> forum:
>
> I've been researching Austin history and ghost stories, and came across a
> very dubious claim of a gold mine located at a place called "Digger
> Hollow."  I was unaware of any precious metal deposits in Central Texas, but
> I did find this intriguing tidbit on the web:
>
> -
>  *GOLD MINING*. Gold mining has not been extensive in Texas, as the
> occurrence of the metal is limited. Main production, confined to the
> Presidio and Hazel mines in West Texas and the Heath mine in the Llano
> district, amounted to a total of 8,277 fine ounces by 1942 and was valued at
> $233,499. Most of the gold produced has come as the byproduct of silver and
> copper ores, but traces of it occur in the Shafter, Van Horn, Allamoore, and
> Quitman mountains, and in Howard, Taylor, Irion, Uvalde, and 
> *Williamson*counties with other rocks and ores. Since the closing of the 
> Presidio mine
> in September 1942 there has been little production of gold. BIBLIOGRAPHY:
> Thomas J. Evans, *Gold and Silver in Texas* (Mineral Resource Circular 56
> [Austin: Bureau of Economic Geology, 1975]). University of Texas, *Texas
> Looks Ahead: The Resources of Texas* (Austin, 1944; rpt., Freeport, New
> York: Books for Libraries Press, 1968).
> ---
>
> Before I take the time to try and track the references in the bibliography,
> does anybody know anything about mining in Williamson country or nearby?
> Was that placer gold?  The karst doesn't seem prime territory for hard rock
> mines, but then again, I'm a computer programmer, not a geologist :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> ~~Thomas
>

[Texascavers] Need ride to ICS from Mexico

[Ed Alexander]

My daughter Mimi (whom many of you know) needs a ride to ICS from the San
Luis Potosi area. She is in Real de Catorce but would be able to meet up
anywhere within a couple hours drive on your schedule.

Ed Alexander

Re: [Texascavers] Caves on Mars

[Ed Alexander]

This is a great opportunity for a new caver organization:

AAMCS - Association for Arsia Mons Cave Studies


Kara Savvas wrote:
Cavers, 
Prepare your shuttles...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6461201.stm

There be caves on Mars!
Anybody know what the Visa requirements are? 
Kara


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Re: [Texascavers] Candidate Cavern Entrance Northeast of Arsia Mons

[Ed Alexander]

Any idea how big this thing is?

The cutout view shows the edges real good. Looks like it was done with a 
paper punch.


Lee H. Skinner wrote:
Another cave entrance on Mars!  See this high-res picture from the Mars 
Reconnaissance Orbiter!  This one is amazing.


Go to:
http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.edu/images/PSP/diafotizo.php?ID=PSP_003647_1745

Then click on the Full Browse Version for a great image!



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Re: [Texascavers] RE: Six months or 180 days?

[Ed Alexander]

Mark is right. Can you say "expiration DATE"?

Minton, Mark wrote:

  Cindy Cohen said:

 >the point was that the pass is good for up to 180 days actually in 
Mexico... meaning if you spend 10 days in Mexico four times a year, the 
pass would last for 4.5 years, not a simple 6 months regardless of how 
often you use it.
 
  That was the question, but the answer is that that is not 
correct.  The car permit is good for 180 consecutive days, _not_ days 
actually in Mexico.
 
Mark Minton


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[Texascavers] DepthX in Mexican News

[Ed Alexander]

http://news.google.com.mx/news?ned=es_mx&ncl=1154540413&hl=es

http://lta.today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-05-18T224210Z_01_N18651678_RTRIDST_0_INTERNACIONAL-ESPACIO-JUPITER-SOL.XML

http://www.milenio.com/mexico/milenio/nota.asp?id=511135

http://www.universia.net.mx/index.php/news_user/content/view/full/47657/

http://oncetv-ipn.net/noticias/index.php?modulo=despliegue&dt_fecha=2007-05-18&numnota=58

http://www.univision.com/contentroot/wirefeeds/50noticias/7063891.html



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Re: [Texascavers]OT gas prices

[Ed Alexander]

For $92,000 you can buy a lot of $4 gas.

Kara Savvas wrote:

ABC did a story on this company, that is entering the market 

with a fancy sports car,



http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1



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Re: [Texascavers] RE: can identify it?

[Ed Alexander]

After the coon dismembered all but one of my young guinea hens, I put 
the lone surviver in a wire cage in the carport. The next morning there 
was only one fat texas rat snake in the cage. It took him most of a week 
to regain enough slimness to get back out through the wire.


Minton, Mark wrote:

Pete,
 

I had one of the mean ones once. He was eating some quail I was trying to 
raise, one by one. Then I caught him inside a chicken wire cage after eating a 
quail - too fat to get back through the wire. I put him in an aquarium and he 
got real mean a day or two later. So I took him off to the local lake.


  According to Andy Gluesenkamp, Texas rat snakes like we have had are a 
different species than the rat snakes he was mentioning.  I have also caught 
them when they got too fat from swallowing something to get away.  A large one 
had swallowed some eggs whole and was stuck in the chicken wire of our coop 
when I grabbed him.  I took him across the river and let him go.
 
Mark Minton


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Re: [Texascavers] connection in Oaxaca, Mexico

[Ed Alexander]

Bill Mixon wrote:
It was only 60 meters to the connection 


And how far was it on the existing maps of the system?





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Re: [Texascavers] New TSS Publication

[Ed Alexander]

Great idea. I want one the next time I see someone carrying them. Thumbs 
to J Kennedy again.


Jim Kennedy wrote:

Cavers,

The Texas Speleological Survey proudly announces a new publication, 
the*/ Map CD/. * It was greeted with great enthusiasm at the TSA Spring 
Convention last weekend.  Now, you can order one, too!  The/ Map CD/ is 
an ever-evolving work, with each CD containing the most complete set of 
cave maps in the TSS files at the time of recording.  CDs are identified 
by a version date (currently the version of 5 April 2007) and an 
individual serial number.  Cost is only $10 per CD (plus shipping and 
handling if we send it to you).  The current/ Map CD/ contains over 1160 
maps in 56 Texas counties!  We will burn each CD upon order so buyers 
are guaranteed the most up-to-date assortment of maps available at that 
time.  All maps are 300 dpi TIFF files, and are organized in folders for 
each county.  There is also an Excel� spreadsheet included which lists 
all files, the counties for each, and even the file size!  The/ Map/ CD 
will continue to grow and improve as we get more volunteers at the TSS 
worksessions and are able to digitize and clean up additional maps.  
Approximately � of the maps included on the/ Map CD/ have been cleaned 
up and are immediately ready for use in trip reports, grotto programs, 
etc.  The/ Map CD/ and its contents are copyrighted by the TSS to 
prevent unauthorized duplication and reproduction, but "fair use" 
permission is granted for reproduction in grotto newsletters for trip 
reports and similar articles.  As always, the TSS welcomes contributions 
of cave maps and other data to its archives, and is happy to share that 
information with other responsible cavers.  Go to 
___www.txspeleologicalsurvey.org_  
for more information and to order this or any other TSS publication.  
You might have to wait a day or so for the new info to be added to the 
website, so please be patient.


Jim "Crash" Kennedy
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Re: [Texascavers] Nalgene bottles toxic?

[Ed Alexander]

We used to use glass for carboys and bottles containing water, reagents, 
drinks, etc. As we know these have all been replaced by plastics for 
reasons of weight, fragility and transportation expense. (Except for the 
beer industry - they must know of the problems of leaching from 
plastics.)  Now there are problems with health, pollution, recycling (or 
lack thereof). The mexican countryside is well decorated with 
multicolored plactic bottles and bags.  I finally found the 5 gal water 
garrafons made of glass in Oaxaca last year. I really hate to store the 
mescal in the plastic ones.


Diana Tomchick wrote:

The Sierra Club has been warning about this for awhile now. See

http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/do-they-care-if-people-die.asp
http://www.sierraclub.org/carlpope/2007/03/sunshine-is-best-fumigant.asp

Lest you think that the problem is solved by using Nalgene HDPE bottles, 
consider this story. 


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RE: [Texascavers] FW: ezmlm warning

[Ed Alexander]

Thanks, didn't want him wandering around unnoticed.

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If you have any more questions, let me know.
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[Texascavers] TCR Review

[Ed Alexander]

-Original Message-
From: Fontaine Maverick
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:04 PM
To: ghet...@lists.whathelps.com
Subject: Being outdoors with friends


We just returned from a better than average cavers reunion at Flat Creek
Crossing, a dozen or so miles northwest of Dripping Springs. The camping
spot of the elders and the staging of the cooking of the Saturday meal
was held on a high limestone bluff covered with small oak trees. Many of
the other Texas grottoes (read: younger cavers) spread out on the bluff
below us - probably 350 or so total. In the bottom of the canyon one
could hike down to a beautiful dammed creek/swimming hole with a high
limestone cliff on the other side. Mary Jane and Bob and I swam across
and lay on the big rocks, like fat lizards in the warm afternoon sun and
watched the Speleolympics. The weather was exquisite.

The evening meal was early-and very tasty. Lots of meat, but some good
veggie dishes including a fabulous Ford/Maverick tabouley. After dark we
settled in to an evening of schmoozing and wandering back and forth
between campsites-I got to visit with Angie Martinez and Thomas, Charlie
and Rae, Clark, Janie and TR, the Plemons', Ed and Brigit and many
others. I made a new friend in Diane Young who is a naturalist living in
San Marcos. Got a nice astronomy lesson on the hike to the portapotties
from a young man with a small child on his shoulders; he showed me the
archer and the scorpion and Venus-and some constellation named Rigel
which he had named his little boy after.

There was a rock and roll band down in the canyon-playing very loud and
very late. So we brewed coffee and Roz Baldauf made a campfire, and Jim
waxed eloquent and long about all of the intricacies of the downfall of
the Bush administration, while I egged him on until about one am.

Roz and I cooked a great ham and egg breakfast, and many dogs wandered
back and forth looking for and finding tasty treats. Baldauf showed us a
beautiful little snake, which he assured me was not a copperhead, but a
Texas rat snake. What a lovely weekend.

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Re: [Texascavers] lost at tcr

[Ed Alexander]

They should have a free replacement guarentee.

-Original Message-
From:  Nancy Weaver
Subject: [Texascavers] lost at tcr

seems like a real long shot, but in the cooks area I lost the screw 
on lid to my starbucks coffee mug . . .


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Re: [Texascavers] butterflies

[Ed Alexander]

Have also seen the same at Venegas de Abajo 10 miles north of Catorce.

-Original Message-
From:  Mark Minton
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] butterflies


 David Locklear said:

>I have seen some butterflies down there too.
>The best display, I believe I have ever seen, was at the entrance to 
>Grutas de Carrizal north of Bustamante.   I have a theory that 
>they all stop off there for a days rest, before travelling further south,

 I have similarly seen great hordes of monarch butterflies in 
Bustamante Canyon.  They are sometimes so thick that one can hold a 
hand out of the car window and catch them just cruising to the 
spring.  At night they roost on the tree branches along the stream in 
thick bunches.  That area must be on their main migration 
route.  It's a pretty cool sight.

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[Texascavers] FW: Cozy Rental on Riverside Farms Road

[Ed Alexander]

My neighbor has a house for rent. Good neighborhood.
Ed

-Original Message-
From: chris grigassy [mailto:chrisgriga...@hotmail.com]
Subject: Cozy Rental on Riverside Farms Road

Hi all---My clean, cozy 2 bedroom/1 bath rent house is coming available
later this month.  I'd love it if you'd tell anyone you know who's looking.
It's a nice place in the heart of the Riverside Farms Road neighborhood--on
our pleasant wooded lane barely 10 minutes from downtown .
I'm asking $795 (all bills paid).  Small pets are welcome.  Some shop/studio
space in basement. Stove and refridge. Laundry facilities.  Many great
neighbors.
chrisgriga...@hotmail.com
512-385-1368


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cavetex rules

[Ed Alexander]

Thanks to all six or seven who sent terry's adress.

RE: CaveTex: NSS Convention - Trip Report

[Ed Alexander]

Hard to complain about bad planning.
  -Original Message-
  From: David Locklear
  Subject: CaveTex: NSS Convention - Trip Report



  When making my plans to attend this event, I decided to bring my 
  wife and mother-in-law along

CaveTex: Anyone else remember Arthur Simpson?

[Ed Alexander]

This showed up on a thread being passed around since Allen Damron died last
week - its from Arthur (and for those who know, it is definitely cave
related).

-Original Message-
From: Jamie Spence [mailto:jamiespe...@canvasback.org]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:30 AM
To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
Subject: AWD memories


How I learnt ta play da Banjer
(Or: 24 hours that changed my life forever)

I think it was fall, '57.   I wandered into a little coffee house about four
doors north of 24th St. on Guadeloupe, the main drag there in Austin.   This
was when Espresso Coffee Houses were all the rage, and the Beat Generation
was in fashion.   This place was called The Clich�, and was the first of
many such in the college town.

There on the dais was this guy singing with a five-string, sitting on a
high, wooden, kitchen stool, all alone, and just making more music than I
could ever have imagined with so little effort.   He was playing all the
Weavers' stuff and the Kingston Trio's stuff and some other stuff, I didn't
recognize.   And it obviously took hardly any effort; his hands were barely
moving, he looked quite relaxed sitting there, and yet all this complicated
sound was coming out of him!   I was just overcome!

At his break, I climbed over everybody else to get up there and meet him;
his name was Allen.   I wanted to know how he did so much so easily; he
tried to show me everything he knew all at once.   He stuck the banjo in my
hands and showed me the two most usual ways of tuning it, and the two sets
of three chords that went with them.   And then he tried to show me the
basic Pete Seeger strum; all in his ten-minute break.   I wasn't exactly
getting it all.   I had played a ukulele for years, and had tried a mandolin
and a four-string banjo, but I had never seen a five-string until that
night; and, like I say, it was just too much too fast.

So he wrote down his address, and invited me to come over to his apartment
the next morning for a more comprehensive lesson.   I remember asking,
"Where does the name, Damron come from?"   He answered "From the Rio Grande
Valley".   I stayed and listened till they closed; I talked to him some
more, and gave him every opportunity to back off from his hasty invitation
that I come so early next morning, but he insisted; so I did!

I showed up at his door next AM early; it was a Saturday.   He was still in
his shorts and just barely out of bed, but he made me welcome, and got the
lesson started before he even got his pants on.   "Forget the chords and the
tunings; leave it in G; just first learn the basic strum."  Down with all
the fingers (or especially with the ring finger) across all the strings,
then Down on the thumb string, then Up with the index finger on the first
string: Down, Down, Up; Down, Down, Up; over and over; Down, Down, Up; with
a Bum Biddy-Bum Biddy-Bum Biddy-Bum rhythm; Bum Biddy-Bum Biddy-Bum; the Bum
is the up stroke; the Biddy is the two downs; over and over till it becomes
as easy as walking.   Yeah, right, it took me years to learn to walk.

So he left me there Down, Down, Upping while he took a shower and shaved and
got dressed and had breakfast (bread and Smuckers jam) and made a bunch of
phone calls (He showed me how to stuff a pair of sox in the back to cut down
on the volume.)   He kept coming over and correcting my technique in between
all these other activities.

Then suddenly he just left for the day!   He said for me to make myself at
home, he would be back maybe around five, "Get some lunch," he said, there's
bread and Smuckers, and some beer if I wanted.   And suddenly I was all
alone with my Down, Down, Upping!

This guy had not known me twelve hours yet, but he goes off and leaves me in
his home with his only banjo and an invite into his whole larder!   Now
admittedly, the whole larder consisted of bread and Smuckers Jam and a
six-pack, and this banjo had a Bakelite rim and five frames holding the head
on, and a standard (i.e., short) tulip-poplar neck; but it was the only
five-string in town at the time!   And he was committed to be performing
with it at The Clich� again that night!   (He didn't get his long-neck Vega
till the next year.)

Well, I sat there all day and kept at it!   Down, Up, ... no, no, ... Down,
Down, ... what?? ... Down, Down, Up, yeah I think that was it ... Down,
Down, ... but why can't I ever do it twice in a row?? ... Up, Down ... Rats!
...   At some point, I did have some Smuckers and bread, and got right back
to it.

By maybe 3:00, I was starting to get good enough to try putting in the
hammer-ons and pull-offs that he had showed me the night before.   They go
in the space between the Bum and the Biddy.   So now it comes out
Bum-a-Biddy-Bum-a-Biddy-Bum-a-Biddy-  ...  (Got that?)

Sho' nuff  'round 5:00 he came home; coming up the walk, he heard me
Bum-a-Biddy'ing pretty good.   "He's got it!   He's got it!" he yelled, and
grabbed up a guitar and started going at it with me on "Hard, Ain't it
H

RE: CaveTex: GOOGLE EARTH

[Ed Alexander]

NASA World Wind is another sat map/digital terrain model quite similar to
Google Earth. Both are quite impressive.

RE: CaveTex: GOOGLE EARTH

[Ed Alexander]

NASA World Wind lets you locate by lat/long but the frame containing
Golindrinas is not well lit. In Google Earth you can can see the Golindrinas
entrance better. Both have much better resolution in the US than in Mexico.
  -Original Message-
  From: Antonio Aguirre Alvarez
  Subject: Re: CaveTex: GOOGLE EARTH


  The photos from Google Earth are 2-3 years old. Golondrinas is in:
21�35�58" / 99�05�56". You can send pictures from it only if you got an
e-mail count in gmail.com.

RE: CaveTex: Hurricane

[Ed Alexander]

I spent a day on the phone setting it up, getting credentials, food
donations, cavers, etc. We had a great time running around, looking at high
water, and trying to find someone who wanted the donated food. Everyone
seemed to have enough and didn't need more, so Terry and I lived on it for
months after. The Salvation Army were a great bunch of folk - the Red Cross
was there too. They had canteen trucks and were SELLING coffee and
sandwiches to the survivers.

-Original Message-
From: owner-cave...@cavetex.net [mailto:owner-cave...@cavetex.net]On
Behalf Of Igor Loving
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:40 PM
To: cave...@cavetex.net
Subject: CaveTex: Hurricane


During Hurricane Beulah the UT Grotto mobilized a large contingent of cavers
with 4x4 vehicles and volunteered to the Salvation Army. The Salvation Army
gave us credentials and we loaded the 4x4's with food and clothes and headed
to Corpus where we distributed the stuff. The Sallies were great and their
credentials allowed us through the road blocks and so forth.



Charlie Loving



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RE: CaveTex: Worldwide Caving News

[Ed Alexander]

I just clicked on the link and it came up in the browser. A greek caving
site. Interestingly, the last entry is Allen's TCR announcement.

(RSS is a Web content syndication format.
Its name is an acronym for Really Simple Syndication.
RSS is a dialect of XML.
Google will tell you more than you want to know.)

-Original Message-
From: Bill Mixon
Subject: CaveTex: Worldwide Caving News

Someone had the following message sent to me, supposedly. I haven't followed
up. I have no idea what a RSS News Channel is. Is this a newsgroup, or what?
Anybody who tries it might enlighten us. Hopefully it is not just a good way
to get some dread worm or virus. Since Cavers Digest has become pretty
hopeless under its present mismanagement (like a digest every month or so
rather than the old two a week), some replacement might be welcome. On the
other hand, if it's some unmoderated thing like CaveTex, but with thousands
of members, it's probably pretty hopeless.-- Bill Mixon
---
Dear Caver,

Someone you know invites you to visit the Worldwide Caving News.

News posted to WCN are transmitted via RSS News Channels to thousands cavers
around the globe.

You can also post and publish your own caving related news and messages

Please forward this e-mail to other cavers you know. Thank you.

http://www.zenas.gr/WCN



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CaveTex: Caver Cartoons

[Ed Alexander]

-Original Message-
Subject: Fwd: [AGL] Loving cartoon Blog
 From: "Igor Loving" 
>
> http://lovingtoon.blogspot.com/
>
> my blog
>
>
> Charlie Loving

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RE: CaveTex: A noobies first adventure to Bustamante

[Ed Alexander]

Bustamante has always been a great first night in Mexico. I spent mine there
in '64. We asked the padre where we could roll out our sleeping bags for the
night. He gave us the roof of the church. Good trip report Roy. Happy
caving.
  -Original Message-
  From:wwildch...@aol.com
  Subject:  A noobies first adventure to Bustamante



  I decided Labor day weekend I would make my first drive ever across the
border .