RE: [Texascavers] Re: Mallory

[Edward Gelsone]

Here Here!

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:23 AM
To: Bill Steele
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Mallory

 

I believe Mallory's mother has expressed the desire for visitors. It is not up 
to anyone other than her family to say who can and cannot visit. 

 

Sheryl

Sent from my iPhone-Resistance was futile. 


On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:

David,

 

Will you please steer clear of the Mallory situation? I'm asking you nicely. 
This isn't about you. Please leave her family alone. 

 

Bill Steele 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:07 PM, David  wrote:

Early Friday evening, I visited with Mallory's mom for about 2 minutes in the 
waiting room.

I didn't get to see Mallory, but another caver was there earlier.

Mallory's dad will be with her this weekend.

Mallory's mom is hopeful they will move her out of ICU by Monday, but just to a 
regular room until she gets transferred to the rehab center.  That could all 
happen sooner.

Mallory is not currently on any painkillers, or exotic meds.

Since her mom is posting details, I will let
her tell the rest of the good news

David Locklear

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Mallory

[Edward Gelsone]

Here Here!

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:23 AM
To: Bill Steele
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Mallory

 

I believe Mallory's mother has expressed the desire for visitors. It is not up 
to anyone other than her family to say who can and cannot visit. 

 

Sheryl

Sent from my iPhone-Resistance was futile. 


On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:

David,

 

Will you please steer clear of the Mallory situation? I'm asking you nicely. 
This isn't about you. Please leave her family alone. 

 

Bill Steele 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:07 PM, David  wrote:

Early Friday evening, I visited with Mallory's mom for about 2 minutes in the 
waiting room.

I didn't get to see Mallory, but another caver was there earlier.

Mallory's dad will be with her this weekend.

Mallory's mom is hopeful they will move her out of ICU by Monday, but just to a 
regular room until she gets transferred to the rehab center.  That could all 
happen sooner.

Mallory is not currently on any painkillers, or exotic meds.

Since her mom is posting details, I will let
her tell the rest of the good news

David Locklear

RE: [Texascavers] Re: Mallory

[Edward Gelsone]

Here Here!

 

From: Sheryl Rieck [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:23 AM
To: Bill Steele
Cc: David; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Mallory

 

I believe Mallory's mother has expressed the desire for visitors. It is not up 
to anyone other than her family to say who can and cannot visit. 

 

Sheryl

Sent from my iPhone-Resistance was futile. 


On Aug 2, 2013, at 11:36 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:

David,

 

Will you please steer clear of the Mallory situation? I'm asking you nicely. 
This isn't about you. Please leave her family alone. 

 

Bill Steele 

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 2, 2013, at 7:07 PM, David  wrote:

Early Friday evening, I visited with Mallory's mom for about 2 minutes in the 
waiting room.

I didn't get to see Mallory, but another caver was there earlier.

Mallory's dad will be with her this weekend.

Mallory's mom is hopeful they will move her out of ICU by Monday, but just to a 
regular room until she gets transferred to the rehab center.  That could all 
happen sooner.

Mallory is not currently on any painkillers, or exotic meds.

Since her mom is posting details, I will let
her tell the rest of the good news

David Locklear

RE: [Texascavers] electronic question - help requested

[Edward Gelsone]

Just a point here.

 

Don't travel with a lead acid motorcycle battery.  Heavy and must remain
upright.

 

There are many suitable Gel Cells out there with the voltage and current
capacity you need.

 

Even though your power supply says it will give you 2.5 amps at 12 volts DC,
you need to research your actual CPAP and what settings you use.  Some will
actually use less than an Amp and your sizing requirements can be very much
altered from settings that actually use more current.

 

I am a CPAP user and I have options for heated vapor on my humidifier and I
use a rather high pressure setting.  (BAD SINUSES, BAD) Most motorcycle
batteries are rated at about 12 AMP hours.  Drawing an actual 2.5 AMPs at
12Volts DC would mean the battery is really a one night unit.  If your
actual draw is about an amp, that same battery will most likely last the
three day trip.

 

Solar chargers are good but pricey,  Solar power is not really worth $69 for
a 13 watt charger.  You can pick up a 40 watt panel for not much $$$ and
make your own.

 

I have a Solar power system on my house and I Love the cheaper electric
bills and I know I am least doing my part.  Check out any of the ZILLIONs of
web resources for panels even eBay and you can set up a charger in a
heartbeat.  Much more capacity and not much money.  Get a Gel Cell with tabs
and set up the DC supply to just plug and go.

 

I have several "lay around" panels from 20 to 240 Watt laying around.  I
have tried several types and layouts until I settled on my large array.
Check eBay for whatever you feel you need.

 

Ed

 

From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:38 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] electronic question - help requested

 

Folks, 

 

Sue and I are heading out camping this Thanksgiving and have a
camping/caving related question for the electronics gurus in the group. Sue
has a sleep apnea machine she uses.  We've used a marine battery that has
worked for as long as a week without charging.  I checked the amp hour
rating of the battery and compared it to the demands of the machine but I'm
not sure I got it right or was just lucky.  On this trip, we're flying out
to meet Graham and Aspen and going camping in Deaf Valley - That's Death
Valley, just checking to make sure you're listening. Flying with a 70 pound
marine battery probably isn't a good idea. Anyway, we were thinking of
purchasing a motorcycle battery from Autozone in a nearby town and was
wondering if folks think the battery would last for three nights without
charging.

 

We use an inverter connected to the battery to power the machine.  The
machine is a Resmed.  The specs are AC 100-240V 50-60 hz.  110v 400 hz, 2.5
a.  DC 12 V 2.5 amp. 

 

I didn't see the DC connection before so I'm wondering if I can get a 12
volt DC cord. Anyway, I'm not familiar with motorcycle batteries and don't
know whether they are 12 v or 6 volt and how many amp hours they are.
Anyone have some suggestions as to what they do.

 

Thanks

 

Geary,

 

P.S. if you're thinking about breaking into my house and robbing me of my
vintage caving coveralls with real canvas grip patchs (a real collectors
item), we will have a full time housesitter and visiting friend.

RE: [Texascavers] electronic question - help requested

[Edward Gelsone]

Just a point here.

 

Don't travel with a lead acid motorcycle battery.  Heavy and must remain
upright.

 

There are many suitable Gel Cells out there with the voltage and current
capacity you need.

 

Even though your power supply says it will give you 2.5 amps at 12 volts DC,
you need to research your actual CPAP and what settings you use.  Some will
actually use less than an Amp and your sizing requirements can be very much
altered from settings that actually use more current.

 

I am a CPAP user and I have options for heated vapor on my humidifier and I
use a rather high pressure setting.  (BAD SINUSES, BAD) Most motorcycle
batteries are rated at about 12 AMP hours.  Drawing an actual 2.5 AMPs at
12Volts DC would mean the battery is really a one night unit.  If your
actual draw is about an amp, that same battery will most likely last the
three day trip.

 

Solar chargers are good but pricey,  Solar power is not really worth $69 for
a 13 watt charger.  You can pick up a 40 watt panel for not much $$$ and
make your own.

 

I have a Solar power system on my house and I Love the cheaper electric
bills and I know I am least doing my part.  Check out any of the ZILLIONs of
web resources for panels even eBay and you can set up a charger in a
heartbeat.  Much more capacity and not much money.  Get a Gel Cell with tabs
and set up the DC supply to just plug and go.

 

I have several "lay around" panels from 20 to 240 Watt laying around.  I
have tried several types and layouts until I settled on my large array.
Check eBay for whatever you feel you need.

 

Ed

 

From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:38 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] electronic question - help requested

 

Folks, 

 

Sue and I are heading out camping this Thanksgiving and have a
camping/caving related question for the electronics gurus in the group. Sue
has a sleep apnea machine she uses.  We've used a marine battery that has
worked for as long as a week without charging.  I checked the amp hour
rating of the battery and compared it to the demands of the machine but I'm
not sure I got it right or was just lucky.  On this trip, we're flying out
to meet Graham and Aspen and going camping in Deaf Valley - That's Death
Valley, just checking to make sure you're listening. Flying with a 70 pound
marine battery probably isn't a good idea. Anyway, we were thinking of
purchasing a motorcycle battery from Autozone in a nearby town and was
wondering if folks think the battery would last for three nights without
charging.

 

We use an inverter connected to the battery to power the machine.  The
machine is a Resmed.  The specs are AC 100-240V 50-60 hz.  110v 400 hz, 2.5
a.  DC 12 V 2.5 amp. 

 

I didn't see the DC connection before so I'm wondering if I can get a 12
volt DC cord. Anyway, I'm not familiar with motorcycle batteries and don't
know whether they are 12 v or 6 volt and how many amp hours they are.
Anyone have some suggestions as to what they do.

 

Thanks

 

Geary,

 

P.S. if you're thinking about breaking into my house and robbing me of my
vintage caving coveralls with real canvas grip patchs (a real collectors
item), we will have a full time housesitter and visiting friend.

RE: [Texascavers] electronic question - help requested

[Edward Gelsone]

Just a point here.

 

Don't travel with a lead acid motorcycle battery.  Heavy and must remain
upright.

 

There are many suitable Gel Cells out there with the voltage and current
capacity you need.

 

Even though your power supply says it will give you 2.5 amps at 12 volts DC,
you need to research your actual CPAP and what settings you use.  Some will
actually use less than an Amp and your sizing requirements can be very much
altered from settings that actually use more current.

 

I am a CPAP user and I have options for heated vapor on my humidifier and I
use a rather high pressure setting.  (BAD SINUSES, BAD) Most motorcycle
batteries are rated at about 12 AMP hours.  Drawing an actual 2.5 AMPs at
12Volts DC would mean the battery is really a one night unit.  If your
actual draw is about an amp, that same battery will most likely last the
three day trip.

 

Solar chargers are good but pricey,  Solar power is not really worth $69 for
a 13 watt charger.  You can pick up a 40 watt panel for not much $$$ and
make your own.

 

I have a Solar power system on my house and I Love the cheaper electric
bills and I know I am least doing my part.  Check out any of the ZILLIONs of
web resources for panels even eBay and you can set up a charger in a
heartbeat.  Much more capacity and not much money.  Get a Gel Cell with tabs
and set up the DC supply to just plug and go.

 

I have several "lay around" panels from 20 to 240 Watt laying around.  I
have tried several types and layouts until I settled on my large array.
Check eBay for whatever you feel you need.

 

Ed

 

From: Geary Schindel [mailto:gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org] 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:38 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] electronic question - help requested

 

Folks, 

 

Sue and I are heading out camping this Thanksgiving and have a
camping/caving related question for the electronics gurus in the group. Sue
has a sleep apnea machine she uses.  We've used a marine battery that has
worked for as long as a week without charging.  I checked the amp hour
rating of the battery and compared it to the demands of the machine but I'm
not sure I got it right or was just lucky.  On this trip, we're flying out
to meet Graham and Aspen and going camping in Deaf Valley - That's Death
Valley, just checking to make sure you're listening. Flying with a 70 pound
marine battery probably isn't a good idea. Anyway, we were thinking of
purchasing a motorcycle battery from Autozone in a nearby town and was
wondering if folks think the battery would last for three nights without
charging.

 

We use an inverter connected to the battery to power the machine.  The
machine is a Resmed.  The specs are AC 100-240V 50-60 hz.  110v 400 hz, 2.5
a.  DC 12 V 2.5 amp. 

 

I didn't see the DC connection before so I'm wondering if I can get a 12
volt DC cord. Anyway, I'm not familiar with motorcycle batteries and don't
know whether they are 12 v or 6 volt and how many amp hours they are.
Anyone have some suggestions as to what they do.

 

Thanks

 

Geary,

 

P.S. if you're thinking about breaking into my house and robbing me of my
vintage caving coveralls with real canvas grip patchs (a real collectors
item), we will have a full time housesitter and visiting friend.

RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members List

[Edward Gelsone]

I never received anything.

 

Ed

 

From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:35 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Members List

 

I see that a bunch of phone numbers were cut off, so that will be fixed when
I email out a corrected version.
 
Thanks,
Denise
TSA Secretary

RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members List

[Edward Gelsone]

I never received anything.

 

Ed

 

From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:35 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Members List

 

I see that a bunch of phone numbers were cut off, so that will be fixed when
I email out a corrected version.
 
Thanks,
Denise
TSA Secretary

RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members List

[Edward Gelsone]

I never received anything.

 

Ed

 

From: Denise P [mailto:pepabe...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:35 PM
To: TexasCavers
Subject: [Texascavers] TSA Members List

 

I see that a bunch of phone numbers were cut off, so that will be fixed when
I email out a corrected version.
 
Thanks,
Denise
TSA Secretary

RE: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

[Edward Gelsone]

I personally believe the variance is due to the manner in which almost all
medical bills are charged.

 

When I was self-insured in the 90's I always discussed the price up front.
The doctors gave me a cash price for all services and the prices were fair.
Always much less than the insurance prices as billed.

 

Since that time I have always checked out what my insurance carrier was
billed vs what they actually paid the treatment center, HUGE differences.

 

As an example a bit over a year ago, I was prescribed a common CPAP machine.
Humana was being billed $1,500.00 per month.  My portion was about $190.00
per month.  The sleep center billed this monthly.  I was racking up $190.00
per month and Humana was paying nothing.

 

I found the same exact machine on-line and it was actually very inexpensive.
I called the sleep center and offered them what they would cost retail (a
bit overpriced that way) and they took the cash deal and I was paid up
immediately.

 

So, book price $1500 per month (apparently forever)

Insurance paid ZERO

I paid about $800.00 and settled the deal.

 

Same thing for all services.  The Doctor bills a ton and accepts about a ten
percent payment from the insurance company.  I have never found one that
would not accept the same from you on a cash basis. So rabies shot prices
are most likely driven by the need for the insurance companies and the Feds
to make us think medical bills must be huge.  Therefore justifying both the
need for insurance to cost so much and the Feds to take over  the industry.

 

ala  OBAMACARE

 

Ed

 

 

From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
Tiu
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:24 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

Then why the huge price discepancy? Someone got fleeced?

--
Lyndon Tiu

On Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM, "Allan B. Cobb"  wrote:

You can get pre-exposure shots which requires 3 shots at 0, 7, and 21/28
days at the Austin Regional Clinic Travel Medicine office for $360 per shot
(or $270 with a cash discount). Post exposure, from what I understand is 4
shots of the same vaccine.

 

http://www.austinregionalclinic.com/Services/travel_medicine_services/pricin
g.asp

 

Allan

 

From: Ron R   

Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:47 PM

To: Preston Forsythe   

Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com ; R D Milhollin
  ; Jim Kennedy   

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination
(pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure).

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe 
wrote:

Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did
double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00.

 

I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was
wondering if it would even be available in KY?

 

When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and
availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots
are good for?

 

There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by
bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading
and crawling  in deep guano.

 

Guano Go Caving,

 

Preston

= 

- Original Message - 

From: R D Milhollin   

To: Preston Forsythe   ;
texascavers@texascavers.com 

Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes
to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's
claim.

 

 

This is from the North Dakota public health website:

 

http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm

 

"How much does rabies vaccine cost?

Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive.  A typical vaccination
series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to
$7,000+ per person." 

 

and from a North Carolina new program:

 

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-
and-time-cons-ar-1169155/

 

"If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
hospital bills are worse.
 Hutton said
the first treatment resulted in a bill of
 $10,289. But why so
much?

The cost of the
 ER facility
is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin.
That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of
immunoglobulin can cost upwards of

RE: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

[Edward Gelsone]

I personally believe the variance is due to the manner in which almost all
medical bills are charged.

 

When I was self-insured in the 90's I always discussed the price up front.
The doctors gave me a cash price for all services and the prices were fair.
Always much less than the insurance prices as billed.

 

Since that time I have always checked out what my insurance carrier was
billed vs what they actually paid the treatment center, HUGE differences.

 

As an example a bit over a year ago, I was prescribed a common CPAP machine.
Humana was being billed $1,500.00 per month.  My portion was about $190.00
per month.  The sleep center billed this monthly.  I was racking up $190.00
per month and Humana was paying nothing.

 

I found the same exact machine on-line and it was actually very inexpensive.
I called the sleep center and offered them what they would cost retail (a
bit overpriced that way) and they took the cash deal and I was paid up
immediately.

 

So, book price $1500 per month (apparently forever)

Insurance paid ZERO

I paid about $800.00 and settled the deal.

 

Same thing for all services.  The Doctor bills a ton and accepts about a ten
percent payment from the insurance company.  I have never found one that
would not accept the same from you on a cash basis. So rabies shot prices
are most likely driven by the need for the insurance companies and the Feds
to make us think medical bills must be huge.  Therefore justifying both the
need for insurance to cost so much and the Feds to take over  the industry.

 

ala  OBAMACARE

 

Ed

 

 

From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
Tiu
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:24 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

Then why the huge price discepancy? Someone got fleeced?

--
Lyndon Tiu

On Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM, "Allan B. Cobb"  wrote:

You can get pre-exposure shots which requires 3 shots at 0, 7, and 21/28
days at the Austin Regional Clinic Travel Medicine office for $360 per shot
(or $270 with a cash discount). Post exposure, from what I understand is 4
shots of the same vaccine.

 

http://www.austinregionalclinic.com/Services/travel_medicine_services/pricin
g.asp

 

Allan

 

From: Ron R   

Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:47 PM

To: Preston Forsythe   

Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com ; R D Milhollin
  ; Jim Kennedy   

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination
(pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure).

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe 
wrote:

Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did
double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00.

 

I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was
wondering if it would even be available in KY?

 

When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and
availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots
are good for?

 

There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by
bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading
and crawling  in deep guano.

 

Guano Go Caving,

 

Preston

= 

- Original Message - 

From: R D Milhollin   

To: Preston Forsythe   ;
texascavers@texascavers.com 

Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes
to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's
claim.

 

 

This is from the North Dakota public health website:

 

http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm

 

"How much does rabies vaccine cost?

Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive.  A typical vaccination
series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to
$7,000+ per person." 

 

and from a North Carolina new program:

 

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-
and-time-cons-ar-1169155/

 

"If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
hospital bills are worse.
 Hutton said
the first treatment resulted in a bill of
 $10,289. But why so
much?

The cost of the
 ER facility
is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin.
That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of
immunoglobulin can cost upwards of

RE: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

[Edward Gelsone]

I personally believe the variance is due to the manner in which almost all
medical bills are charged.

 

When I was self-insured in the 90's I always discussed the price up front.
The doctors gave me a cash price for all services and the prices were fair.
Always much less than the insurance prices as billed.

 

Since that time I have always checked out what my insurance carrier was
billed vs what they actually paid the treatment center, HUGE differences.

 

As an example a bit over a year ago, I was prescribed a common CPAP machine.
Humana was being billed $1,500.00 per month.  My portion was about $190.00
per month.  The sleep center billed this monthly.  I was racking up $190.00
per month and Humana was paying nothing.

 

I found the same exact machine on-line and it was actually very inexpensive.
I called the sleep center and offered them what they would cost retail (a
bit overpriced that way) and they took the cash deal and I was paid up
immediately.

 

So, book price $1500 per month (apparently forever)

Insurance paid ZERO

I paid about $800.00 and settled the deal.

 

Same thing for all services.  The Doctor bills a ton and accepts about a ten
percent payment from the insurance company.  I have never found one that
would not accept the same from you on a cash basis. So rabies shot prices
are most likely driven by the need for the insurance companies and the Feds
to make us think medical bills must be huge.  Therefore justifying both the
need for insurance to cost so much and the Feds to take over  the industry.

 

ala  OBAMACARE

 

Ed

 

 

From: lyndon@gmail.com [mailto:lyndon@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Lyndon
Tiu
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:24 PM
To: Allan B. Cobb; Cavers Texas
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

Then why the huge price discepancy? Someone got fleeced?

--
Lyndon Tiu

On Feb 20, 2012 12:56 PM, "Allan B. Cobb"  wrote:

You can get pre-exposure shots which requires 3 shots at 0, 7, and 21/28
days at the Austin Regional Clinic Travel Medicine office for $360 per shot
(or $270 with a cash discount). Post exposure, from what I understand is 4
shots of the same vaccine.

 

http://www.austinregionalclinic.com/Services/travel_medicine_services/pricin
g.asp

 

Allan

 

From: Ron R   

Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:47 PM

To: Preston Forsythe   

Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com ; R D Milhollin
  ; Jim Kennedy   

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

I'm sure there are vastly different prices for the Rabies vaccination
(pre-exposure) vs. the emergency Rabies shot series (post-exposure).

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Preston Forsythe 
wrote:

Thanks RD for checking as I was hoping the Miami price was inflated. I did
double check the Miami Audubon article and it cost the author $27,000.00.

 

I would certainly hope the vaccine would be cheaper in TX and KY. I was
wondering if it would even be available in KY?

 

When Crash gets time maybe he can enlighten us on the costs, procedures and
availability. I bet Crash has had the vaccines. Wonder how long the shots
are good for?

 

There have been several times in my caving days when I was surrounded by
bats, swimming in thick guano covered water, not to mention walking, wading
and crawling  in deep guano.

 

Guano Go Caving,

 

Preston

= 

- Original Message - 

From: R D Milhollin   

To: Preston Forsythe   ;
texascavers@texascavers.com 

Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 11:55 AM

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cost of Rabies Shots

 

Preston, that cost figure seemed a little out-of-range, so I took 4 minutes
to look around for other information to confirm or refute the article's
claim.

 

 

This is from the North Dakota public health website:

 

http://www.ndhealth.gov/disease/Rabies/QandA.htm

 

"How much does rabies vaccine cost?

Rabies vaccine and immunoglobulin is very expensive.  A typical vaccination
series with the rabies immunoglobulin can cost anywhere from $2,000 to
$7,000+ per person." 

 

and from a North Carolina new program:

 

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/jun/30/rabies-shots-are-expensive-hard-find-
and-time-cons-ar-1169155/

 

"If you think the long wait and multiple visits are tough to handle, the
hospital bills are worse.
 Hutton said
the first treatment resulted in a bill of
 $10,289. But why so
much?

The cost of the
 ER facility
is only 7 percent of the bill, but then you need a vial of immunoglobulin.
That's where the big money factors in. Depending on its weight, a vial of
immunoglobulin can cost upwards of

RE: RE: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

[Edward Gelsone]

This method of the static drinker is just another example of PC taking the fun 
out of the game.

 

The blood alcohol content of the riders directly affected the outcome of the 
race.

 

THAT WAS THE POINT.

 

Ed

 

From: tbsam...@verizon.net [mailto:tbsam...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:42 PM
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Cc: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

 

One of my high school's National Merit Scholars was a math whiz and a HUGE guy. 
He was the passive "drinker" for his team and they won every year.

 

T


Oct 25, 2011 01:39:01 PM, power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:

The idea of the "Beer/Bike Race" was to chug a beer and bike around the course 
as fast as possible. Part of the winning strategy was being able to chug a beer 
faster than the other racers. Each college had a team and each team had a 
strategy for chugging. The most popular one involved sticking a large funnel 
into the mouth of the racer and then poking a hole in the bottom of the open 
beer can so that it all came out in one big gulp. Later, because of some really 
gory accidents, the teams had drinkers and riders. The riders couldn't leave 
the starting gate until the empty beer can had been discarded. The drinkers 
"practiced" all year long so that they could open up their throats and the beer 
would go right through without drowining them.
 

  _  

To: tbsam...@verizon.net
From: cavera...@aol.com
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

Yes, but it is just called "Beer/Bike" in my memory.  And then there is "Club 
13," a very early example of a flash mob, perhaps, in which students of both 
sexes streak the campus on Friday the 13th (any month) covered (when they 
begin) with shaving cream.  This foamy coating is used to make body prints on 
campus walls and windows. 

 

Roger



-Original Message-
From: tbsamsel 
To: caverarch 
Cc: texascavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

Rice may yet still practice The Elephant Bladder Contest. It involves beer & 
bicycles. I saw it once in the 1960s when I was visiting a friend there.

 

T


Oct 24, 2011 04:25:02 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote:

Bill, the place to buy beer around Rice is on the campus, at the entirely 
volunteer-operated Valhalla, the non-profit Graduate Student Association pub 
under the stairs to the old Chemistry Building.  Beer was $0.35 when I was in 
grad school there.  That was a long time ago, admittedly, but I think it has 
only risen to $0.75 per cup now. 

 

Just look for the red lights by the stairs.  The cavern-like atmosphere alone 
is worth it.

 

Roger Moore



-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:41 am
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

I'd like to agree that the arrangements for the NSS BOG meeting and  
associated parties were very good. Thanks especially for Louise and  
Paul for the party site and serving breakfast on Sunday to some of us  
who crashed at their house. Cavers (and the mosquitoes of the  
Houstopolis area) were well fed during the party. Rice campus very  
nice. I'd never been there. They evidently got started with enough  
land, and didn't get hemmed in like the UT Austin campus. Lots of  
green lawns, huge parking lots around the stadium, etc. Glad, though,  
that the Posse doesn't charge as much for beer as the Ginger Man, a  
similar near-campus pub, does.
 
I've attended very few BOG meetings since I was actually on the board,  
but I imagine this one was one of the most successful in years in  
terms of getting to meet local cavers. There were hardly any Texas  
cavers in the audience at the meeting itself. I don't especially blame  
them, but they missed Bill Liebman accidentally voting against one of  
his own motions. And another of his motions going down 1 for and 15  
opposed.
--Mixon

I believe there are
15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.— 
Sir Arthur Eddington

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RE: RE: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

[Edward Gelsone]

This method of the static drinker is just another example of PC taking the fun 
out of the game.

 

The blood alcohol content of the riders directly affected the outcome of the 
race.

 

THAT WAS THE POINT.

 

Ed

 

From: tbsam...@verizon.net [mailto:tbsam...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:42 PM
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Cc: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

 

One of my high school's National Merit Scholars was a math whiz and a HUGE guy. 
He was the passive "drinker" for his team and they won every year.

 

T


Oct 25, 2011 01:39:01 PM, power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:

The idea of the "Beer/Bike Race" was to chug a beer and bike around the course 
as fast as possible. Part of the winning strategy was being able to chug a beer 
faster than the other racers. Each college had a team and each team had a 
strategy for chugging. The most popular one involved sticking a large funnel 
into the mouth of the racer and then poking a hole in the bottom of the open 
beer can so that it all came out in one big gulp. Later, because of some really 
gory accidents, the teams had drinkers and riders. The riders couldn't leave 
the starting gate until the empty beer can had been discarded. The drinkers 
"practiced" all year long so that they could open up their throats and the beer 
would go right through without drowining them.
 

  _  

To: tbsam...@verizon.net
From: cavera...@aol.com
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

Yes, but it is just called "Beer/Bike" in my memory.  And then there is "Club 
13," a very early example of a flash mob, perhaps, in which students of both 
sexes streak the campus on Friday the 13th (any month) covered (when they 
begin) with shaving cream.  This foamy coating is used to make body prints on 
campus walls and windows. 

 

Roger



-Original Message-
From: tbsamsel 
To: caverarch 
Cc: texascavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

Rice may yet still practice The Elephant Bladder Contest. It involves beer & 
bicycles. I saw it once in the 1960s when I was visiting a friend there.

 

T


Oct 24, 2011 04:25:02 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote:

Bill, the place to buy beer around Rice is on the campus, at the entirely 
volunteer-operated Valhalla, the non-profit Graduate Student Association pub 
under the stairs to the old Chemistry Building.  Beer was $0.35 when I was in 
grad school there.  That was a long time ago, admittedly, but I think it has 
only risen to $0.75 per cup now. 

 

Just look for the red lights by the stairs.  The cavern-like atmosphere alone 
is worth it.

 

Roger Moore



-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:41 am
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

I'd like to agree that the arrangements for the NSS BOG meeting and  
associated parties were very good. Thanks especially for Louise and  
Paul for the party site and serving breakfast on Sunday to some of us  
who crashed at their house. Cavers (and the mosquitoes of the  
Houstopolis area) were well fed during the party. Rice campus very  
nice. I'd never been there. They evidently got started with enough  
land, and didn't get hemmed in like the UT Austin campus. Lots of  
green lawns, huge parking lots around the stadium, etc. Glad, though,  
that the Posse doesn't charge as much for beer as the Ginger Man, a  
similar near-campus pub, does.
 
I've attended very few BOG meetings since I was actually on the board,  
but I imagine this one was one of the most successful in years in  
terms of getting to meet local cavers. There were hardly any Texas  
cavers in the audience at the meeting itself. I don't especially blame  
them, but they missed Bill Liebman accidentally voting against one of  
his own motions. And another of his motions going down 1 for and 15  
opposed.
--Mixon

I believe there are
15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.— 
Sir Arthur Eddington

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RE: RE: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

[Edward Gelsone]

This method of the static drinker is just another example of PC taking the fun 
out of the game.

 

The blood alcohol content of the riders directly affected the outcome of the 
race.

 

THAT WAS THE POINT.

 

Ed

 

From: tbsam...@verizon.net [mailto:tbsam...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:42 PM
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Cc: cavera...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

 

One of my high school's National Merit Scholars was a math whiz and a HUGE guy. 
He was the passive "drinker" for his team and they won every year.

 

T


Oct 25, 2011 01:39:01 PM, power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote:

The idea of the "Beer/Bike Race" was to chug a beer and bike around the course 
as fast as possible. Part of the winning strategy was being able to chug a beer 
faster than the other racers. Each college had a team and each team had a 
strategy for chugging. The most popular one involved sticking a large funnel 
into the mouth of the racer and then poking a hole in the bottom of the open 
beer can so that it all came out in one big gulp. Later, because of some really 
gory accidents, the teams had drinkers and riders. The riders couldn't leave 
the starting gate until the empty beer can had been discarded. The drinkers 
"practiced" all year long so that they could open up their throats and the beer 
would go right through without drowining them.
 

  _  

To: tbsam...@verizon.net
From: cavera...@aol.com
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

Yes, but it is just called "Beer/Bike" in my memory.  And then there is "Club 
13," a very early example of a flash mob, perhaps, in which students of both 
sexes streak the campus on Friday the 13th (any month) covered (when they 
begin) with shaving cream.  This foamy coating is used to make body prints on 
campus walls and windows. 

 

Roger



-Original Message-
From: tbsamsel 
To: caverarch 
Cc: texascavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 2:23 am
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

Rice may yet still practice The Elephant Bladder Contest. It involves beer & 
bicycles. I saw it once in the 1960s when I was visiting a friend there.

 

T


Oct 24, 2011 04:25:02 PM, cavera...@aol.com wrote:

Bill, the place to buy beer around Rice is on the campus, at the entirely 
volunteer-operated Valhalla, the non-profit Graduate Student Association pub 
under the stairs to the old Chemistry Building.  Beer was $0.35 when I was in 
grad school there.  That was a long time ago, admittedly, but I think it has 
only risen to $0.75 per cup now. 

 

Just look for the red lights by the stairs.  The cavern-like atmosphere alone 
is worth it.

 

Roger Moore



-Original Message-
From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 9:41 am
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG weekend

I'd like to agree that the arrangements for the NSS BOG meeting and  
associated parties were very good. Thanks especially for Louise and  
Paul for the party site and serving breakfast on Sunday to some of us  
who crashed at their house. Cavers (and the mosquitoes of the  
Houstopolis area) were well fed during the party. Rice campus very  
nice. I'd never been there. They evidently got started with enough  
land, and didn't get hemmed in like the UT Austin campus. Lots of  
green lawns, huge parking lots around the stadium, etc. Glad, though,  
that the Posse doesn't charge as much for beer as the Ginger Man, a  
similar near-campus pub, does.
 
I've attended very few BOG meetings since I was actually on the board,  
but I imagine this one was one of the most successful in years in  
terms of getting to meet local cavers. There were hardly any Texas  
cavers in the audience at the meeting itself. I don't especially blame  
them, but they missed Bill Liebman accidentally voting against one of  
his own motions. And another of his motions going down 1 for and 15  
opposed.
--Mixon

I believe there are
15,747,724,136,275,002,577,605,653,961,181,555,
468,044,717,914,527,116,709,366,231,425,076,185,
631,031,296 protons in the universe and the same number of electrons.— 
Sir Arthur Eddington

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RE: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news

[Edward Gelsone]

Actually on Myth Busters, They actually did polish a turd.  And quite well!

 

Ed

 

From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:43 PM
To: david locklear; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news

 

A certified spelunker is still a spelunker, can't polish a turd.

"Semper Exploro" 

Ryan Monjaras

Maverick Grotto

Cowtown Grotto

DFW Grotto

UT Grotto

Bexar Grotto

(832)754-5778

 

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:59:26 +
> Subject: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news
> 
> Certified Spelunkers are now searching for Kevin Eve who has been missing
6 full days now.
> 
> It will be an interesting story if they rescue him alive from a cave. 
> 
> David Locklear
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

RE: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news

[Edward Gelsone]

Actually on Myth Busters, They actually did polish a turd.  And quite well!

 

Ed

 

From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:43 PM
To: david locklear; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news

 

A certified spelunker is still a spelunker, can't polish a turd.

"Semper Exploro" 

Ryan Monjaras

Maverick Grotto

Cowtown Grotto

DFW Grotto

UT Grotto

Bexar Grotto

(832)754-5778

 

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:59:26 +
> Subject: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news
> 
> Certified Spelunkers are now searching for Kevin Eve who has been missing
6 full days now.
> 
> It will be an interesting story if they rescue him alive from a cave. 
> 
> David Locklear
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

RE: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news

[Edward Gelsone]

Actually on Myth Busters, They actually did polish a turd.  And quite well!

 

Ed

 

From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:43 PM
To: david locklear; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news

 

A certified spelunker is still a spelunker, can't polish a turd.

"Semper Exploro" 

Ryan Monjaras

Maverick Grotto

Cowtown Grotto

DFW Grotto

UT Grotto

Bexar Grotto

(832)754-5778

 

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> From: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 20:59:26 +
> Subject: [Texascavers] Certified Spelunkers in the news
> 
> Certified Spelunkers are now searching for Kevin Eve who has been missing
6 full days now.
> 
> It will be an interesting story if they rescue him alive from a cave. 
> 
> David Locklear
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

RE: [Texascavers] radioactive ash

[Edward Gelsone]

I have an update since I saw the concrete block daughter today.  The
Houston plant that is a sister to where she works does use some ash in
some of their blocks.

Research is under way!

-Original Message-
From: Gill Ediger [mailto:gi...@worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:08 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] radioactive ash

At 11:21 AM 12/19/2007, Mixon Bill wrote:
>Let's not get carried away, here.

We haul a lot of "ash" produced in coal-fired power plants on our 
trains; it goes as a minor hazardous material to some landfill 
somewhere. The main solid by-products of coal-fired power plants are 
the clinker (cinders) and the ash from the scrubbers. Both have 
relatively high "trace" levels of mercury, uranium, other heavy 
metals, and additional toxic or radioactive elements which, in their 
own right, might be minimal. Taken together, however, the stuff is 
not fit for much other than burying or export to third world 
countries. There were early attempts to use it for aggregate in 
structural concrete, cinder blocks, road base, highway asphalt, and 
other such items in which it could be diluted. I think the cinder 
blocks which Cooper referred to came from such a source and produced 
an environment inside of structures (basements, commercial buildings, 
etc) which produced elevated radioactive readings--outside federal 
limits in some cases. (The State Capitol in Austin has a similar 
situation due to the naturally occurring radiation of the Texas pink 
granite from which it is constructed.) I also think that some of this 
type of ash and cinders is still being used in asphalt when it can be 
adequately diluted--but I'm not sure. Also, use in concrete for 
projects (bridges, retaining walls, etc) which are not habitations 
may still be allowed???

2 generalized technical notes:
1) During its formation, the organic matter in coal was intermixed 
with air borne particles ranging from microscopic clays to moderate 
grained sands. These are the basic building blocks of pottery (from 
clay) and glass (from silica sand). These particles also contained a 
goodly portion of heavy metals which made up the rock from which they 
were eroded--including radioactive ones. When coal is burned these 
inclusions are baked at a temperature high enough to melt and fuse 
them into a bubbly, glassy, pottery mix known by several terms: 
clinker, cinders, and ash, which fell to the bottom of the fire box 
and  were later dumped. During the days when steam engines turned the 
wheels of industry in factories and freight trains and steam ships, 
cinders were a major and mounting commodity and a lot of resourceful 
methods were devised for getting rid of them, including as aggregate 
in concrete and general rubble and land fill to level areas for 
residential and commercial use--even school yards and playgrounds. 
Most of it is still in place. I don't know of any studies done to 
determine the residual radioactivity of those areas today.

2) Concrete blocks are made of concrete--sand, gravel, and cement. 
They are heavy and difficult to handle. Cinder blocks were developed 
to create a lighter weight concrete block. They use, ostensibly, 
crushed cinders of volcanic origin, that are naturally infused with 
air or steam bubbles which make them inherently lighter, in place of 
the heavier sands and gravels traditionally used in concrete, but 
with adequate compressive strength for their intended use. Due to its 
firey origin coal clinker has a look and feel and weight very similar 
to volcanic cinders and was an obvious and virtually free replacement 
for them when steam engine operators went looking for ways to get rid 
of their ever increasing piles of clinker. As we said, that clinker 
had high levels of radioactive materials and the cinder blocks made 
with it was used in the construction of homes, schools, offices, 
factories, and warehouses, many of which are still in use, long 
before the Geiger counter became a common household appliance.

--Ediger





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RE: CaveTex: Bockbeer fruit bats

[Edward Gelsone]

This is getting downright stupid now.



From: owner-cave...@cavetex.net on behalf of Igor Loving
Sent: Wed 8/17/2005 6:38 PM
To: cave...@cavetex.net
Subject: CaveTex: Bockbeer fruit bats



The giant Fruit bat that lives with Ami

CaveTex: Please forgive the attached file. 72KB

[Edward Gelsone]

You can save the screen as a JPG and forward from there.  
 
I know it is evil to attach files but I have attached a PDF file with a shot of 
Golandrinas from Google Earth



From: owner-cave...@cavetex.net [mailto:owner-cave...@cavetex.net] On Behalf Of 
Antonio Aguirre Alvarez
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:47 AM
To: cave...@cavetex.net
Subject: Re: CaveTex: GOOGLE EARTH



The photos from Google Earth are 2-3 years old. Golondrinas is in: 21°35¨58" / 
99°05¨56". You can send pictures from it only if you got an e-mail count in 
gmail.com.

c ya

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