Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting - LOCATION CHANGE

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Say jalapena, brother
 

On Monday, June 5, 2017 6:49 PM, Aubri Jenson via Texascavers 
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 As of this week, we'll be back in Painter Hall 2.48 until August 23! 
https://goo.gl/maps/Wun8LuQh7DR2

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas gypsum caves for sale

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I don't know if I have room in my backyard for that big a cave.--Ediger 

On Monday, May 8, 2017 7:01 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 This sign was posted in Quanah in Hardeman 
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Re: [Texascavers] Movie by the Pond, at Pete Strickland's

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Saw the play at the Hemisphere auditorium in San Antonio in (probably) '75.  

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:07 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 I saw the original play Hair in Chicago in 1969. Met TAG caving (he named TAG) 
legend Richard Schreiber there. He was stationed in Minot, ND with the Air 
Force. 
I love this movie. Treat Williams as Berger (very Austin-like), John Savage as 
Claude, and Beverly D'Angelo as Sheila. I thought it's better than the play. 
And the music is SO good. "You ask me why, why I'm a hairy guy." 
Bill Steele speleoate...@aol.com
PS - flying to Athens, Greece tomorrow. 
On Nov 10, 2016, at 9:55 PM, PRESTON FORSYTHE via Texascavers 
 wrote:


I saw the play 3 times while still in the army-West Greenwich Village, Sydney 
and SF. But, sorry cannot make it for the movie, as we have a state speleo 
survey meeting this Sunday in Lexington. This KY group, KSS, is making broad 
advances trying to catch up with the TSS. 
Preston at Outer Browder home of the short-eared owls as this evening we 
reported the first one observed this fall in KY.   

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:29 PM, via Texascavers 
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   We will be having a "Movie by the Pond" at my place Sat. Nov. 12th at 6:00. 
We will be showing the 1979 film "Hair" based on the Broadway play. For info 
call Pete at 512 897 9235.

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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

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People who were raised around chickens, pigeons, and other birds in large 
numbers often have a good resistance to histo as a result of being continuously 
inoculated. Most of them never knew they were sick as the doses and reactions 
were small but cumulative enough render them nominally immune to future 
exposure. Carrizal has long been known as a histo habitat. There was a faded, 
rusty sign posted on a building near the entrances--and that was 50 years ago. 
My daddy raised chickens and pheasants when I was a kid and I've been in 
Carrizal a dozen or  more times without mask protection or obvious infection. 
But we know from experience that not everybody can do that--they have gotten 
sick. --Ediger 

On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:48 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de 
Espeleología AC. via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

 Gill thank you.
The situation is this.. The Secretary of Tourism create a project to use the 
cave for tourism, they tender a project of ecotourism and sustainability in the 
cave. A constructor win the tender.
The cave have an  incident in the month of march, 25 people (teachers and 
students scouts) are sick all of them. But the woman of SECTUR said she visit 
there and not have fungus... They ask me if I can make a test,  I said yes. the 
Dr. Biologist from UANL  Javier Banda and Sergi Gomez they will help me to do 
this test.. The next week I will visit the cave with a security level 3 (is 
high)  to take some samples of  soil  and air, to send a laboratory.
With the result of that test,  we can close the cave, if we don´t do that. They 
can open the cave for tourism an is a bad idea.
Monica Ponce
2016-08-31 15:16 GMT-05:00 Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com>:

Moni--I would suggest that you not visit Cueva de Carrizal and not take or send 
anyone else there. There have been sufficient incidents  of people getting 
histoplasmosis to warn them there is a danger of contacting a lung fungus. Only 
people with a known or demonstrated resistance to histo should visit that cave. 
--Ediger 

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:31 AM, Asociación Coahuilense de 
Espeleología AC. via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

 thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation the 
cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?
Moni
2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com>:

Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/1825.pdf

Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ bul/bul1.pdf (~100 MB)

There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS Newsletter 
vol 3 #4, at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf

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Re: [Texascavers] Grutas del Carrizal

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Moni--I would suggest that you not visit Cueva de Carrizal and not take or send 
anyone else there. There have been sufficient incidents  of people getting 
histoplasmosis to warn them there is a danger of contacting a lung fungus. Only 
people with a known or demonstrated resistance to histo should visit that cave. 
--Ediger 

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:31 AM, Asociación Coahuilense de 
Espeleología AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
 

 thank you Bill, is a wonderful information... but is all the investigation the 
cavers did in this cave, no more a recently years?
Moni
2016-08-26 20:13 GMT-05:00 Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
:

Moni -- Map of Grutta de Carrizal is at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ maps/1825.pdf

Original description of the cave is in AMCS bulletin 1
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ bul/bul1.pdf (~100 MB)

There is a long article on drowning accident in Carrizal in old AMCS Newsletter 
vol 3 #4, at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/ nl/AMCS_NL_V3.pdf

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Re: [Texascavers] service for Charlie Yates Aug 27th

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Does anybody have a better address than that? 
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:18 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 
Received from Jon Vinson, Sun Aug 14th

There is a small death notice in today’s Austin Statesman paper about 
Charlie.  It says “Charles M. Yates age 65 of Dripping Springs passed 
away Aug. 10, 2016.  Service Aug. 27, 10:00am at Weed-Corley-Fish Lake 
Travis Chapel, Lakeway, TX.”
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[Texascavers] Yates

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So Charlie Yates is dead. Sorry to hear it. He was always possessed of a lot of 
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Re: [Texascavers] New Cave Paintings in Mexico

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Wasn't there a similar find in that area 20 or 30 years ago?
--Ediger 

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:06 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 That was a 2013 post on the BBC web site. From AMCS Activities Newsletter 36 
(advertisement):

According to press reports, a collection of 4,926
well-preserved cave paintings have been discovered
near Burgos, Tamaulipas. They are in fact pictographs
at eleven shelter caves in the Sierra San Carlos. No date
for the paintings has been determined yet. The articles
quote Gustavo Ramírez and Martha García Sánchez
of INAH. Source: May 22, 2013, post at www.bbc.co.uk/
news/world-latin-america-22632301, and elsewhere.

-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] wind turbines and caves

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I ran trains that hauled NYC trash to a landfill in Virginia. The trains that 
went to West Texas were made up of tank cars loaded with raw sewage which was 
being blown out onto the ground surface of a jillion acre ranch to be digeste 
by bacteria. Don't know what ever came of it. There was some contention about 
it, as you might imagine. But I don't think bats were being chewed up in any 
blades. 
-- Ediger 

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 3:17 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 Check out Sierra Blanca and Van Horn where they were setting up methane 
plants. The poop was to be hauled in by train and dumped in caves where it 
fermented or what ever and then gas would come out and turn turbines. Problem 
was there are no transmission lines out there. They were going to get NYC trash 
and so forth. A great idea that wasn't though through. Well maybe  a great idea.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:12 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

In reference to Bill's post, My hunch is that the coal plants in China would be 
running either way and that they create much needed jobs there.The delivery of 
the blades is a one time event, as they can be repaired in the field.Diesel 
trains and boats have efficient motors, as do trucks, while simultaneously 
delivering a wide range of products which creates jobs.They most likely just 
need to mount a scarecrow on top of the wind-turbine.I see no reason a cave 
tour company could not use a wind-turbine to charge batteries for headlamps or 
to power lights in the cave.I would like to see a giant turbine mounted 
horizontally at ground-level and let hundreds of unemployed homeless people 
push it.It is too bad all these people exercising in fitness centers can not 
convert that energy wasted into electricity.   If I win the MegaMillions 
jackpot, I am going to fix that.I have been eating pork-n-beans all week to try 
to save money.   It is too bad that I can not convert all this new methane gas 
to power something.David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] a caver question

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You work for PTI, Scott? Railroad crew shuttle...? --Ediger 

On Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:22 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 I'm not obsessed with sports, but I did hear on the (TV) 10pm news that the 
final game of the basketball playoffs was tonight. The regular season ended in 
May (I think). The only sport I follow regularly is hockey (Dallas Stars).
Scott D. Boyd
GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
Professional Transportation, Inc.On Jun 19, 2016 9:56 PM, "David via 
Texascavers"  wrote:

I learned today that it was basketball season.I was just curious and wondering 
if you were all too busy caving or doing more important things to know that ?I 
know there are non-cavers that think I must have a mental deficiency, because I 
do not keep up with sports statistics. Everybody I am surrounded by at work and 
family are completely obsessed fanatics with sports statistics, yet they have 
no idea what a troglobitic catfish is.David Locklear
dlocklea...@gmail.com 
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Re: [Texascavers] Houston grotto folks

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So they tell you it has a nickname but they never tell what it is. --Ediger
 

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:08 PM, "Roger Moore (cavera...@aol.com) via 
Texascavers"  wrote:
 

 Yes, I've known about this cistern for some time, been at the entrance, and 
seen pictures but have not been in it yet. 

Roger G. Moore

-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick 
To: Cave Tex 
Cc: Roger Moore 
Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2016 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Houston grotto folks

Whoa Roger, this is very cool.

Diana

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> Just read about this - maybe something for the GHG to work on:
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Re: [Texascavers] ISO a rental room

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All of my rooms are full, John. Is James a caver? 
--Ediger 

On Thursday, February 18, 2016 10:07 PM, "htjo...@juno.com via Texascavers" 
 wrote:
 

 My son James (age 34) is looking for a rental room in Austin or burbs to be 
close to his 2 kids who are with his ex in Austin.  He is working and currently 
living with friends. Let me know if you have any budget-friendly options. Email 
johnmo...@excite.com.

Thx
John Moses
El Paso (currently in west TN)

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Re: [Texascavers] cave photography is perilous

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Don't know who wrote that. I thin there was another grammar or spelling mistake 
in that first sentence or paragraph--Ediger 


 On Friday, September 11, 2015 9:21 AM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
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 you’ve got to wonder what sort of things he has to repel.  maybe the really 
really dark.

Nancy
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[Texascavers] caves

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[Texascavers] John Cooper

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Some of you older Texas and NSS cavers will remember John Cooper. He died a few 
days ago. I got the following note yesterday: 
   In case you hadn't heard of it yet, here is a link to his obituary.
John's obituary and tributes can be viewed at:
     http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/John-Edward-Cooper-102801040

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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][Don's T-Shirt Trading Post]

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

I have between 50 and 100 mostly caving-themed T-shirts to donate to the cause. 
Maybe charge a buck or two for them and put the money in the pot. Since I have 
to carry glasses to read and a pad & pencil as memory aids I need a pocket on 
my shirt.  That means T-shirts are pretty much out anymore.--Ediger 


 On Sunday, September 6, 2015 7:18 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
 wrote:
   

 This year I will be hosting "Don's T-Shirt Trading Post". I'll have some 
caving shirts up for trade & barter, so remember to bring your own gently used 
caving T's (or trade items) for trade to TCR.


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] TCC Shutting Down - Working Together for 21 Years

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Thanks for a respectable effort, Mike.--Ediger 


 On Monday, July 20, 2015 10:52 AM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
   

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1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv7323472072 div.yiv7323472072WordSection1 {}--Thanks for 
all of your hard work, dedication, and service in trying to protect the caves 
that the TCC manages, Mike!    Your efforts have not always been appreciated or 
acknowledged by some in the Texas cave community, but, I have seen firsthand 
your love and attention of the underground in Williamson County and the Cedar 
Park area and your involvement will be sorely missed!    Has any thought been 
given as to who, if anyone, will manage the more significant caves that the TCC 
manages, i.e., Becks Ranch and Avery Cave?       Thanks!    Mark Alman 
texascav...@yahoo.com             From: Texascavers 
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of Charles Goldsmith via 
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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 10:32 AM
To: Cavetex
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: Working Together for 21 Years       -- 
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From: Jmichael Walsh texascavesaus...@aol.com
Date: Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 9:29 AM
Subject: Working Together for 21 Years
To: wo...@justfamily.org

    On October 13, 1994 the Texas Cave Conservancy was officially started in 
New Braunfels, Texas. Bob Finger, Sandi Moerbe, Stan Moerbe, Gary Napper, Jack 
Ralph, Mike Walsh, Mike Warton and others started the Texas Cave Conservancy.  
On July 16, 2015 the TCC Board of Directors voted to close the organization 
after 21 years.     To everyone that worked with us to protect caves, 
cave life, to provide cave related public education and to conduct the 
scientific research; we say thank you.  We could not have accomplished what we 
did without your support and hard work.  Sometimes, it is time to close one 
door and perhaps open another.    Mike Walsh   - Former President of the Texas 
Cave Conservancy    ___       
On a personal note, in October of this year, I will be 68 years old. After 
almost 50 years of caving, I plan to devote more time to my friends and family. 
 Since I will remain underground, I want to take this opportunity to extend my 
personal thanks to all those that worked with me over the years.       
I will not respond to correspondence posted on this site, however, if you want 
to make any comments on the TCC, please send them to: texascavesaus...@aol.com  
  If your e-mail address is not clear, include your name so I can respond. We 
worked to together with SWTG, TOTR, TPWD, COA, TCMA and the TCC.  Once again 
this old Gringo wants to thank everyone for the great trip that we had 
together. May God be with you in all the dark places that you walk.   Mike      
  
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Re: [Texascavers] grapevine cave

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

I used to keep a cable ladder under the porch, at Blake's nearby property, for 
use in Grapevine but the property has been sold and the cable ladder should 
probably have been retired years ago. --Ediger  


 On Saturday, July 4, 2015 9:25 PM, Ben Hutchins via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
   

 Cave was surveyed to 257 m in 2012. A couple of upper level bits of passage 
connected by a lower level passage that has a small stream in it.  Getting to 
the stream requires a cable ladder and a hand line or rope (depending on your 
comfort level). I believe that Marcus Gary with Edwards Aquifer Authority was 
doing some dye traces in the cave at one point.
Ben H.
  From: Terry Holsinger via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 9:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] grapevine cave
   
 From Tom Brown when I asked about access recently:
I just found out the Grapevine property changed owners in February. I 
should hear from and hopefully meet the new owner soon but have been 
told he will probably keep the relationship I have had with the 
previous owners.

Terry H.

On 7/4/2015 6:56 PM, Joe Ranzau via Texascavers wrote:
 Tom Brown has been the/a contact.

 Joe

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
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 wanted - a brief description of cave which is in Burnett Ranches west of 
 Wimberley.

 darkly,

 Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Charlie Loving

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

gi...@att.net  


 On Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:41 AM, Ron Ralph via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
   

 Please send contact information as my computer crashed and I am trying to 
rebuild. Ron
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

For everybody's benefit: The traditional date for TCR was not the 3rd weekend 
in October--and never had been. Disabuse yourselves of that idea. It was the 
weekend nearest to the 15th of October. Mostly it was the 3rd weekend of the 
month but sometimes it claimed the 2nd weekend. There were 2 or 3 times when 
some other conflict (a hurricane, for instance) caused the date to be pushed 
forward or backward. The weekend nearest the 15th worked out really well 
during its tenure. 
Just FYI, the underlying purpose was to not be in conflict, date wise, with the 
TAG event in Alabama in order that cavers could attend both events if they 
wished but, more importantly, so that Bob  Bob and other vendors could attend 
both events, hopefully, so that Texas cavers would have hands-on access to top 
quality caving gear. At some point Bob quit going to TAG and came only to TCR 
and few, if any, cavers attended both events so the whole point became sorta 
moot. 
--Ediger


On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:26 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Keep it on the weekend of October 15-18.
I loved the TCR that was held at Honey Creek Cave, but Paradise Canyon is cool, 
too.

Diana

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Department of Biophysics
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
214-645-6383 (phone)
214-645-6353 (fax)







On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:30 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers wrote:

 Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and 
 dates. Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and 
 spread the word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to 
 help. We all like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. 
 It's an option for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
 How do y'all feel about this site?

 Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many 
 suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target 
 date.
 How do y'all feel about that?


 --Don
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Even without water PC is better than anyplace else without water. Actually, I 
prefer Flat Creek at the all-around best site we ever had. It's still available 
but needs to be reserved early.

One of the main criteria for a site is running water. Find 10 or 20 acres with 
river (or creek) frontage and flat camping above the flood plain and I think 
the rest can be faked. 
--Ediger


On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:31 AM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. 
Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the 
word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all 
like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option 
for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
How do y'all feel about this site?

Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many 
suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date.
How do y'all feel about that?


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-confessions

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

There was an expedition to Simmons Mingo cave in West Virginal in the mid-'70s. 
For the 3-day expedition and several set up/break down overnight trips before 
and after the expedition we'd set up a dig-your-own latrine area in an 
upper-level passage that was reported to be a dead end. It was not a crawlway 
or walking passage but more of a squatway--which was appropriate. There were 
small garden trowels to dig and cover up the holes with and I think we had 
wooden popsicle sticks to  mark our chosen spots before abandonment. Some dozen 
or so years later a push trip from the other end of the cave lead into our 
squatway and eventually became a main access/by-pass route to the rear of the 
4-mile long cave. The popsicle sticks had melted away but little disturbed 
piles of dirt markd the mine field for cavers to negotiate both coming and 
going in later years. 
--Ediger


On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 7:20 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Pooped in the righthand mile long crawl way passage of Tinaja


On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

We dumped spent carbide out in caves when and in places we thought it wouldn't 
be a problem.
--Ediger



On Monday, December 22, 2014 8:27 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


You too !   I  confess to smuggling cigarettes into underground camps that 
were longer than a couple of days. No need for matches back then with all the 
carbide lamps.
 
Jerry.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 22, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-confessions


Ok, who will confess to doing things in caves they weren't supposed to? Back 
in the day, we took cigarettes in ammo boxes into Honey Creek to get our 
fix while surveying. --Don  On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Charles Loving
 
 I saw you drink a margarita on a caving related event…
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Charlie Loving

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Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-confessions

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

We dumped spent carbide out in caves when and in places we thought it wouldn't 
be a problem.
--Ediger


On Monday, December 22, 2014 8:27 PM, Jerry via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


You too !   I  confess to smuggling cigarettes into underground camps that were 
longer than a couple of days. No need for matches back then with all the 
carbide lamps.
 
Jerry.
 
 
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From: Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 22, 2014 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Speleo-confessions


Ok, who will confess to doing things in caves they weren't supposed to? Back in 
the day, we took cigarettes in ammo boxes into Honey Creek to get our 
fix while surveying. --Don  On Dec 22, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Charles Loving
 
 I saw you drink a margarita on a caving related event…
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Re: [Texascavers] Ok, who will confess to doing things in caves they weren't supposed to?

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

My sentiments exactly, Squeezebooger. Keep up the good work.
--Ediger



On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 11:56 AM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Well, there was the time that I trapped a large group of people inside a 
cave after consuming all their drugs and alcohol. They had broken dozens of 
beer 
bottles and were spray painting the walls, so I exited the cave and barricaded 
the entrance. The first to return to the entrance started yelling, “When I get 
out I’m going to kill you”, which seemed an inappropriate sentiment coming 
from someone trapped in a cave. Some may feel that my actions were unduly 
harsh, but they were vandals, and the rocks and railroad ties were at the 
entrance, not inside the cave, so I don’t see anything wrong with that. Their 
piteous screams could be heard as we walked away.
 
I must say that I am highly offended by the allegation that my name is 
“sleaveweasel”. I have never introduced a weasel up my sleeve or anywhere else 
including where the sun doesn’t shine. For that I recommend the naked mole rat, 
not the gerbil, and certainly not a weasel. Furthermore, I would not want 
anyone 
to suppose that I engage in the related activity known at “Ferret legging” 
wherein drunken Yorkshiremen allow enraged mustelids to gnaw their private 
parts. I consider such activities to be perverse. Those of you possessed by 
prurience will find more information about this abhorrent activity on the web; 
however, your name will go on a list and you will receive special 
offers.
 
Sleazeweazel
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Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to 
the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in 
the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot 
all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the 
Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going 
through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some 
rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed 
underwater--which might be construed as clouds. 
The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the 
cave  seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply 
a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of 
the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its 
discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it 
has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and 
mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in 
~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway 
leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and 
under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent 
over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip 
by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) 
had climbed up to the balcony but
 found no going passage. 
--Ediger
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Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that  I'd penciled in 
above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to me 
meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word 
'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should 
probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico? 
--Ediger


On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net wrote:
 


I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access to 
the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and post it in 
the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I think I shot 
all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had a room called the 
Snow Room which was just about the first feature on the right after going 
through the access crawlway from the balcony into the BDP. There were some 
rather large mammiform formations toward the back of the passage--developed 
underwater--which might be construed as clouds. 
The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of the 
cave  seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage but simply 
a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than the main part of 
the cave, as if citing something called the New Discovery 40 years after its 
discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone visiting the BDP that it 
has had plenty of cavers exploring it and leaving foot prints in the mud and 
mud streaks all over the formations. When I first climbed up to the balcony in 
~1969 there was already a set of footprints in the mud. But the crawlway 
leading to the rest of the BDP had not been violated, being on the floor and 
under a low ledge and not at all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent 
over far enough to see it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip 
by TR Evans, Terry Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) 
had climbed up to the balcony but
 found no going passage. 
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Re: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

How bout if 3 or 4 people just go into Austin Caverns and get us some realtime 
pictures and intel? 
--Ediger


On Friday, December 19, 2014 3:34 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


It’s around the corner from my house. I could take a picture of it this weekend 
if anyone wants it. I think my neighbor (not a caver) has actually been in it.
 
Cheers,
Stefan
 
From:Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:29 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] Austin Caverns
 
This best picture I know of is in a Texas Caver in 1980 ( plus or minus 4 years 
) of Erika Heinenen near the entrance of the storm sewer or in the sewer.
I have never heard any public or private chatter about this cave except for the 
2 recent post on Cavetex 
My 2 cents is that
Kiwi Sink is a far more productive endeavor for cavers. I hope I can take 
my kid on a real caving trip to Kiwi someday.
David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Corredor Superior just has a nice ring to it. 
--Ediger


On Friday, December 19, 2014 7:35 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


That works too, 
El dic 19, 2014 5:12 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:

   How about Pasaje Superior? There is a Pasaje Superior and Pasaje
Inferior in Sótano de La Joya de Salas.

Mark
mmin...@caver.net

On Fri, December 19, 2014 2:17 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote:
 Gill, I just posted a picture of the formations on your fb wall, and
 corredor would be the right word, I'd use pasillo to describe some part of
 a house

 El dic 19, 2014 12:08 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers
 texascavers@texascavers.com escribió:

 I just consulted my paper copy of the map and notice that  I'd penciled in
 above the title 'Birthday Passage' the name 'Corredor Superior', which to
 me meant 'Upper Passage' at the time. I've come to discover that the word
 'corredor' isn't usually used that way in Spanish. The proper term should
 probably be 'pasillo'. Eh, Nico?
 --Ediger

   On Friday, December 19, 2014 11:25 AM, Gill Ediger gi...@att.net
wrote:

 I'm not familiar with the name Cloud Room and don't have account access
 to the photo sent with your post, Nico. Can somebody snag that pic and
post
 it in the clear? I will try to compare it to any photos I might have. I
 think I shot all those in BW so may not have them readily to hand. We had
 a room called the Snow Room which was just about the first feature on
the
 right after going through the access crawlway from the balcony into the
 BDP. There were some rather large mammiform formations toward the back of
 the passage--developed underwater--which might be construed as clouds.
 The quoted statement, the speleothems found in that newly found part of
 the cave  seems to not be referencing their 'discovery' of the passage
 but simply a term to indicate that it was discovered more recently than
the
 main part of the cave, as if citing something called the New
Discovery 40
 years after its discovery. It has to be blatantly obvious to anyone
 visiting the BDP that it has had plenty of cavers exploring it and
 leaving foot prints in the mud and mud streaks all over the formations.
 When I first climbed up to the balcony in ~1969 there was already a set of
 footprints in the mud. But the crawlway leading to the rest of the BDP
 had not been violated, being on the floor and under a low ledge and not at
 all obvious. Whoever had preceded me had not bent over far enough to see
 it. After some time (months or years) I heard of a trip by TR Evans, Terry
 Raines, and another on which one of them (Terry, I think) had climbed up
 to the balcony but found no going passage.
 --Ediger

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Re: [Texascavers] no further comment department

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

If you don't bet, you can't lose. 
--Ediger


On Monday, December 8, 2014 8:32 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


The NSS budget for the current fiscal year has not yet made it onto  
the NSS web site, but here's a summary of budgeted expenditures:

$358K office, administration, headquarters (less mortgage payments  
from donations, less facilities net rental income) -- 53%
$317K everything else -- 47%

Hard to understand exactly what is in each category, but this can't be  
too far off.
--Mixon

Certainly the game is rigged: If you don't bet, you can't win.

You may reply to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

I first went to Carrizal in 1967 and there was already a sign on the building 
there between the 2 entrances warning of the histo danger. I was raised with 
chickens so have a high histo resistance. We went caving there a dozen or more 
times with small and large groups and I don't recall that anybody in any of our 
groups ever reported getting histo--or even feeling bad--though there could 
have been some cases that were never diagnosed or reported that  I never heard 
about. We explored (and usually entered the cave through) the upper, dry 
passage (generally considered to be the histo infected area) and also explored 
the 2 lower water passages--to include diving them both with and without scuba. 
I recall that soon after (or during?) that time there were reports of people 
from other groups getting histo after visiting the cave. I don't feel qualified 
to give any advice on going to explore Carrizal anymore but would suggest that 
anyone without a proven
 resistance to any of the several lung fungi who decides to go to Carrizal 
consider wearing a millipore dust filter mask. A reasonable history of close 
contact with yard birds (chickens, for instance) during their lives should give 
people an excuse to be less careful--but why?  
--Ediger


On Wednesday, November 12, 2014 10:36 PM, Fofo via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


Hey Pete!

Oh, I can't remember, but it was probably during the summer since we had 
no newer cavers with us (and if we had gone during the time of eithe the 
spring or fall semester we would have had more people tagging along).

- Fofo



On 12/11/14 20:28, via Texascavers wrote:
   Sorry, that first Carrizal post was Pete Strickland, (I forgot I had to 
 sign now). Fofo- What time of year did the Monterrey nubies get Histo?
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard forGeoscientists

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Well, if it's coccidio it's just one of the big 3--Histo, Coccidio, and Blasto 
that are normally tested for. 
--Ediger


On Monday, September 15, 2014 3:59 PM, dave belski via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


On 9/15/2014 1:32 PM, Gill Ediger via Texascavers wrote:

Many of us have had relapsing fever which is not a fungus. 
--Ediger



On Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:35 PM, Ron Ralph via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


I have had it along with most California archeologists.  it almost killed 
McEachern.
 
Ron 
 
Look up COCCIDIODOMYCOSIS  Commonlt called San Joaquin Valley Feavor


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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard forGeoscientists

[Gill Ediger via Texascavers]

Many of us have had relapsing fever which is not a fungus. 
--Ediger


On Sunday, September 14, 2014 6:35 PM, Ron Ralph via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
 


I have had it along with most California 
archeologists.  it almost killed McEachern.
 
Ron 
From: Julia Germany via Texascavers 
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 2:37 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational 
Hazard forGeoscientists
 
As a member of AGI, I received this press release.  Until 
now, I have never heard of Valley Fever.  I am curious if any of you out 
there have any experience/knowledge about it.

julia

 
germa...@aol.com 

 
 
-Original 
Message-
From: AGI Public Relations outre...@agiweb.org
To: 
germanyj germa...@aol.com
Sent: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 2:15 pm
Subject: 
EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists


Contact: Megan Sever (mse...@earthmagazine.org) For Immediate Release EARTH: 
Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists Alexandria, Va. -  Valley 
Fever - a sometimes-fatal infection with no known cure
and no vaccine - is caused by a soilborne fungus that thrives in the hot, dry
soils of the southwestern U.S., Mexico and Central and South America. However,
recent reports of infections far outside the endemic area indicate the fungus is
either spreading or becoming active in new areas. The disease is contracted
through inhalation of fungal spores, which can be aerosolized by soil
disturbances from construction, excavation, gardening and landscaping, as well
as natural events like dust storms, earthquakes, landslides and wildfires.
Geoscientists working in the field need to take precautions against contracting
the disease. Scientists say that little is currently known about the fungus' 
preferred
geology and how a changing climate might be affecting its spread. Read more
about where the disease has been found, current research on the disease and how
to protect yourself in the field in the September issue of EARTH Magazine: 
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out EARTH magazine
online or subscribe at www.earthmagazine.org. The September issue, now available
on the digital newsstand, features stories about floating nuclear plants
potentially being safer from tsunamis than land-based plants, natural arsenic
levels exceeding regulatory standards in Ohio, and the new literary genre of
Cli-Fi, stories about the future of humanity living under an altered climate,
plus much, much more.  ### Keep up to date with the latest happenings in Earth, 
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American Geosciences Institute, EARTH is your source for the science behind the
headlines. ### The American Geosciences Institute is a nonprofit federation of 
49 geoscientific
and professional associations that represents more than 250,000 geologists,
geophysicists and other earth scientists. Founded in 1948, AGI provides
information services to geoscientists, serves as a voice of shared interests in
the profession, plays a major role in strengthening geoscience education, and
strives to increase public awareness of the vital role the geosciences play in
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[Texascavers] tcr

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TCR--On this day (the Friday before Labor Day) in 1978 the participants in the 
1st Texas Cavers Reunion (TOTR at the time) were gathering at the old cotton 
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