[Texascavers] Fwd: Kenny McGee

[Jocelyn Hooper]

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Josie,   Will Rupley,  "Kenny Mcgee was in a  bad motorcycle accident, he
in going to be in the hospital for awhile.  He is in Albuquerque.  I  just
talked to him and he is in good spirits for being cracked up."  Please pass
this on to Texas Cavers.  See you at the NSS Convention,  Mike


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From: Jocelyn Hooper 
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Sent: Fri, Jun 3, 2022 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Kenny McGee

The NSS has Carol and Kenny listed with the same email:
kennymcge...@gmail.com

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:33 AM Sheryl Rieck  wrote:

Anyone heard anything about Kenny? How he is doing?

Sheryl Rieck
sheryl.ri...@gmail.com

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Re: [Texascavers] Kenny McGee

[Jocelyn Hooper]

The NSS has Carol and Kenny listed with the same email:
kennymcge...@gmail.com

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 9:33 AM Sheryl Rieck  wrote:

> Anyone heard anything about Kenny? How he is doing?
>
> Sheryl Rieck
> sheryl.ri...@gmail.com
>
> "You can't always get what you want but if you try sometime, you just
> might find you get what you need" Rolling Stones
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Re: [Texascavers] Logan

[Jocelyn Hooper]

I found the best way to contact him was just show up at his door and holler
who is knocking. Didn't answer my calls or email. He is always happy to
talk if you can get in touch.

Jocie

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 4:43 AM Jim Kennedy  wrote:

> Logan rarely checks email anymore. His current eddress is
> lmcnatt1...@gmail.com.  But you’ll have better luck calling him. Warning:
>  it probably won’t be a short call. His number is (512) 450-8064.  If there
> is anyone else still on this list that would also like to catch up with ol’
> Logan, feel free to keep and use his number. Spammers should promptly
> delete it.
>
> Crash
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 26, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Dwight Deal  wrote:
>
> 
> I tried to send Logan McNatt a Christmas greeting and it came back.
> Logan, send me a private email.  Thanks.  DirtDoc
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Re: [Texascavers] Plural Nouns for Cavers -We have a winner!

[Jocelyn Hooper]

I agree Charlie. Makes me thing of a wedge formation of Roman or Greek
soldiers with shields and swords ready for battle!
Jocie

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 1:50 PM Charles Loving  wrote:

> Very militaristic. Formation of cavers. The ones I went to town with nwere
> more of gaggle or a herd of mud encrusted 
>
> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:25 AM Lee H. Skinner 
> wrote:
>
>> For the record, it was NSS caver John Cochran of Albuquerque who
>> submitted the word formation in the original ballot of 59 entries.
>>
>> Here are are few more examples of ways that the plural noun for cavers
>> could be used:
>>
>>
>> The city welcomed the formation of hundreds of NSS cavers to its annual
>> convention.
>>
>>
>> A formation of tired cavers was camped down by the creek where its
>> waters disappeared into a narrow crack in its limestone bed.
>>
>>
>> After exiting the cave, a hungry formation of twelve cavers went into
>> town to meet at the Oso Grille for dinner.
>>
>>
>> The formation of cavers carefully traversed the muddy ledge above the
>> deep black void.
>>
>>
>> The tireless formation of ridgewalking cavers diligently searched the
>> hillside for the elusively reported hole.
>>
>>
>> Lee
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Cavers

[Jocelyn Hooper]

A Family of cavers...a Party of cavers...a Geode of cavers

Jocie

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 3:46 PM Lee H. Skinner  wrote:

> Thanks, Carol.
>
>
> We now have 37 entries.  I've attached the list here.  If the JPEG
> attachment is scrubbed from the Texas list, you can see it in the SWR list.
>
>
> Lee
>
>
> On 4/25/2021 2:23 PM, 'C Tiderman' via Southwestern Cavers of the National
> Speleological Society wrote:
>
> scientist - a query of cavers
> divers - a splash of cavers
> novices - a wonder of cavers
>
>
> Carol
>
> il.yahoo.com
> 
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[Texascavers] For those who know the Olenicks in Austin

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Walt Olenick called to let me know that he and Rae were in a bad car wreck
in early December...HWY 71 near La Grange. Car totaled. Both survived, but
spent considerable time in the hospital in Austin.
Rae has been home a couple of weeks, broken hand, concussion and seat belt
damage, but he just got home. He had to have some cracked cervical
vertebrae fused, plus other damage. They only have a land line, so you
cannot text, but would love to hear from folks. Walt can't do Zoom, so he
has not been able to attend the Grotto "meetings" and misses his caving
family. You are also welcome to go out to their place, socially distanced.
512-371-3786, 16216 Stewart Rd, Austin 78734-3545.
So thankful they are doing better, and may be back to acro-yoga one of
these days!

Jocie Hooper
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[Texascavers] Good Job Opportunity in NM

[Jocelyn Hooper]

https://www.nmt.edu/hr/docs/hr/jobs/CaveKarstMgtSciDir20-121.pdf




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Re: [Texascavers] Pic

[Jocelyn Hooper]

I apologize!
Jocie

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:48 PM Denise P  wrote:

> Sorry TC! This was obviously meant to be a private conversation!
>
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> Denise P 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 6, 2020 8:31:58 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Pic
>
> Ok. I should come visit you soon. Always love a visit to Stricklandia
>
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> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> Jocelyn Hooper 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:04:27 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Pic
>
> Sigh.  I have been through everything Pete had on the computer.  I know he
> had some slides of this, but nothing transferred into digital.
> I am not going to be able to come to your BD Happy Hour on the 22nd.  I
> had already promised Colin, Guin and Evan that I would babysit Wren so
> they, and Evan's new lady friend, Hanna (or Hannah?) can go to the movies.
> I have a bottle of wine for you...will try to find a time to drop it by 
> Jocie
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM Denise P  wrote:
>
> Anyone have a classic pic of Golondrinas they could email me? Would be
> especially good if it had a person on rope
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> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:04:27 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Pic
>
> Sigh.  I have been through everything Pete had on the computer.  I know he
> had some slides of this, but nothing transferred into digital.
> I am not going to be able to come to your BD Happy Hour on the 22nd.  I
> had already promised Colin, Guin and Evan that I would babysit Wren so
> they, and Evan's new lady friend, Hanna (or Hannah?) can go to the movies.
> I have a bottle of wine for you...will try to find a time to drop it by 
> Jocie
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM Denise P  wrote:
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> especially good if it had a person on rope
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Pic

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Sigh.  I have been through everything Pete had on the computer.  I know he
had some slides of this, but nothing transferred into digital.
I am not going to be able to come to your BD Happy Hour on the 22nd.  I had
already promised Colin, Guin and Evan that I would babysit Wren so they,
and Evan's new lady friend, Hanna (or Hannah?) can go to the movies.  I
have a bottle of wine for you...will try to find a time to drop it by 
Jocie

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM Denise P  wrote:

> Anyone have a classic pic of Golondrinas they could email me? Would be
> especially good if it had a person on rope
>
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[Texascavers] Another member of our Caver Family gone...

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Carmie was a fun member of the caver group active during the 1960's.
Another sad day.
Jocie
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Re: [Texascavers] Updated The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Speaking as a mother...ex-female caver...having children is wonderful, but
changes your ability to go caving.  Easy family trips become the norm. No
more expedition type trips until the kids are old enough to stay home
alone, or go along safely. Or you stay home with the kids and your spouse
goes on the trips.
Jocie

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM Mimi Jasek  wrote:

> Mark, I believe your assessment that the older female cavers disappeared
> or dropped out - or became more cautious and lived longer - is correct. Of
> the 5 in the Temple Cavers from 1973, I was the only one who continued to
> actively cave for very long once away from a grotto!  Yet, once I had a
> child, I quit rope work. Of course, being married to my cave man kept me
> totally involved in that world! Once many graduate, start careers, marry
> and possibly have kids, the female caver’s priorities probably change just
> by the nature of what they do and who they are to their family. Not as easy
> to say “honey, I’m going on a cave trip, so you need to watch the kids and
> take care of everything else” when you are the wife/mother figure in the
> relationship. Especially if you married a non-caver! Many jobs do not have
> extensive leave time. Single female cavers might have to choose work over
> recreation to survive - or choose work that is not close enough to great
> cave areas to stay active. I remember a number from the late 60’s - 70’s
> forward who could fit these statistics and are probably alive and as well
> as their particular health situation allows, wherever they are today.  Some
> will be cavers at heart till they pass, but are no longer active. Others
> may just have chalked up that time as one of many passing life experiences.
> Hard for true old time cavers to see this, but life happens, and can change
> one’s perspective. So, the statistics don’t have all the variables.
>
> Mimi Jasek
> NSS 15206
>
> PS In going through some stuff recently, we found our TSA membership cards
> from back in the late 70’s or early 80’s!! Talk about memory cave lane 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Nov 5, 2019, at 5:03 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
> >
> > I've been involved with organized caving since 1968, and there has
> always been way more than 9% female cavers involved. It seems unlikely to
> me that cavers have simply forgotten about their deceased female members.
> Perhaps female cavers dropped out and disappeared at a higher rate or have
> been more cautious and thus lived longer. Even so, it does seem
> unreasonable that the differential would be so large.
> >
> > Mark Minton
> > mmin...@caver.net
> >
> >> On 2019-11-05 16:33, Diana Tomchick wrote:
> >> I would like to know, perhaps from someone that was around “way back
> >> when”, why there are only 8 female cavers listed in the Hall of
> >> Texas and Mexico Cavers, out of a total of 88 names. That works out to
> >> 9.1% of the total population.
> >> As I wasn’t around back when a lot of these people passed on, I
> >> can’t speak as to whether that’s representative of the Texas and
> >> Mexico Caver population, but maybe it was.
> >> Diana
> >> **
> >> Diana R. Tomchick
> >> Professor
> >> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> 
> >> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> >> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> >> Rm. ND10.214A
> >> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> >> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> >> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> >> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 4:27 PM, William R. Elliott 
> >> wrote:
> >> EXTERNAL MAIL
> >> Dear Texas Cavers,
> >> I just updated The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers again, at
> >> http://cavelife.info/hall/hall.htm
> >> I edited and uploaded 43 new obituaries and 4 revised ones. Some of
> >> these came from the old page of 2010, but I added photos and correct
> >> dates whenever I could.
> >> This now takes us back to about 1980 and Chuck Stuehm. My goal is to
> >> get all of the rest done back to 1960.
> >> You can now read about really interesting cavers like John Fish
> >> (passed away 24 October), A. Richard Smith, Chuck Stuehm, Joe Ivy,
> >> Richard Albert, Barry Beck, Randy Waters, Rod Goke, Stan Moerbe and
> >> others. Look for your friends, and the "Lost Cavers" at the end of the
> >> page, people for whom I need more information.
> >> Thanks to all who sent material and photos. I appreciate it.
> >> WILLIAM R. (BILL) ELLIOTT
> >> speodes...@gmail.com
> >> 573-291-5093 cell
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Re: [Texascavers] Fall 2019 Texas Caver

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Thanks Heather.
Jocie

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 9:20 AM Heather Tucek  wrote:

> When you find an issue with the website or your membership, please contact
> either the webmaster or the membership chair before getting all angry about
> it on the email chain. We can't fix things if we don't know they are
> broken, and considering the amount of people who have emailed me to mention
> problems with the website, and the amount of people who are upset and
> responding to this email chain, I am scared for the number of people who
> are angry at the TSA and we don't even know about it! We can fix things if
> you let us know it's not right, but please, just let us know before fanning
> the flames!
>
> If you are having issues getting on the website, please email me OFF-LIST
> and we will get it figured out. Please!
>
> -Heather
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>
>
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:13, Katherine Arens 
> wrote:
>
>> i just got in using my login from the old website.
>> k
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Crash Kennedy  wrote:
>>
>> I just tried your link, Bill, and got the "access denied" screen.  So
>> apparently even if you ARE paid you still can't get in!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 2:58 PM William R. Elliott 
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>>>  try this:https://www.cavetexas.org/texas-caver-magazines  If you
>>> aren't paid, it won't let you in.
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Thank you Nancy.  I think a celebration at TCR would be very appropriate
because Ernie loved to be around lots of people!
Jocie

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:13 PM Nancy Weaver  wrote:

> Ernie's Last Wishes were to be buried at sea. Since we couldnt find anyone
> to do that, he opted for cremation. That has been set in motion and I'll be
> able to pick up his ashes in a couple weeks. He never specifically talked
> about a memorial, but we all know how much he loved a party. and music. I
> think it would be nice to celebrate his life at TCR where many of his
> friends can gather and tell Ernie stories. I do not plan to organize
> anything more. If someone else would like to, they are welcome. If anyone
> would like to scatter some of his ashes in his many favorite places in the
> world, we can arrange that as well.
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie's and Don's photos

[Jocelyn Hooper]

That is good to hear Logan. Would be excellent getting them into one place
eventually.
Jocie


On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 12:21 PM Logan  wrote:

> FYI, Ernie's photos are currently stored in the RV at Jim & Yazmin's house.
> Don's photos are currently stored at my house.
> They will be moved to the TSC when secure suitable places to store them
> and other photo/media/digital archives are ready.
>
> They include albums of prints, metal compartmentalized slide boxes, and
> loose collections.
> Many are labeled; many are not.
>
> Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie

[Jocelyn Hooper]

So happy you were with him Vivian.  He was a good and kind human being.
Jocie

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 6:47 AM Vivian Loftin  wrote:

>  I'm sorry to report that Ernie Garza has drawn his last breaths. It's
> official as of 4:30am. He went peacefully in the end. It was my great honor
> to be holding his hand as he crossed over into limitless virgin passage. So
> much to say about this wonderful man. He had such a strong will, just as
> tough as they come, and full of human kindness. Gonna miss you, buddy.
> Vivian Loftin
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Mixon-Broussard Memorial this Saturday, August 10th

[Jocelyn Hooper]

This did not post the first time.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Jocelyn Hooper 
Date: Tue, Aug 6, 2019 at 3:43 PM
Subject: Mixon-Broussard Memorial this Saturday, August 10th
To: 


Just wanted to remind everyone about this event:

When: Saturday, August 10th, 3 pm - 10 pm.
*Food starting around 4:30
*There may be a very early story time...and a later one.
The earlier you get there,
  the less you will miss.  Bring your stories.  If you have
picts, please bring them in
  Power Point format.
Where:Texas Speleological Center (Mixon's old place)
14045 North Green Hills Loop
 Austin,  78737-8619
  **Driving Directions from Austiin: Take FM 1826 going toward
Driftwood...past Salt Lick,
  past Nutty Brown Road, past Hindu temple, very
shortly after passing the
  Driftwood Volunteer Fire Dept., and the fancy
entrance to new subdivision,
  turn R on S. Green Hills Loop (low curved stone walls
with multiple mail boxes).
  Follow this partially paved road past ~ 3 houses.  At
Y fork, take paved R uphill.
  It dead ends right into the TSC driveway (small
number sign with bat stickers).

  Parking areas marked, and someone should be there to
answer your questions.
  Low clearance parking easiest by house.  Higher
clearance before house.
  CARPOOL if you can - parking a bit tight.

What to Bring:  POT LUCK dish, BYOB, flashlight for after dark.  Lawn chair
if you plan to bake
 out on the deck and visit.
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[Texascavers] Mixon-Broussard Memorial this Saturday, August 10th

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Just wanted to remind everyone about this event:

When: Saturday, August 10th, 3 pm - 10 pm.
*Food starting around 4:30
*There may be a very early story time...and a later one.
The earlier you get there,
  the less you will miss.  Bring your stories.  If you have
picts, please bring them in
  Power Point format.
Where:Texas Speleological Center (Mixon's old place)
14045 North Green Hills Loop
 Austin,  78737-8619
  **Driving Directions from Austiin: Take FM 1826 going toward
Driftwood...past Salt Lick,
  past Nutty Brown Road, past Hindu temple, very
shortly after passing the
  Driftwood Volunteer Fire Dept., and the fancy
entrance to new subdivision,
  turn R on S. Green Hills Loop (low curved stone walls
with multiple mail boxes).
  Follow this partially paved road past ~ 3 houses.  At
Y fork, take paved R uphill.
  It dead ends right into the TSC driveway (small
number sign with bat stickers).

  Parking areas marked, and someone should be there to
answer your questions.
  Low clearance parking easiest by house.  Higher
clearance before house.
  CARPOOL if you can - parking a bit tight.

What to Bring:  POT LUCK dish, BYOB, flashlight for after dark.  Lawn chair
if you plan to bake
 out on the deck and visit.
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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for old caver

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Susie used to be a flight attendant with American. Aspen married a med
student in Houston. No contact in many years.
Jocie

On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 10:19 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> Susie Lasko, and/or her daughter Aspen Adams (don’t remember her married
> name). Trying to track down some photos. HELP!
> katie
> 
> Katherine ArensPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
>
> 
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> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Caving vehicles

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Pete’ old red truck has gone to Houston with a fellow Sprouse told him
about who rebuilds old power wagons.  We are still stuck with Stone’s truck
that slid upside down along a hwy in Mexico all those years ago.  He lost
the title, and neither Pete nor I have been able to get him to get
another.  Would love someone to haul it off! 若

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 11:40 AM PRESTON FORSYTHE 
wrote:

> Considering who owned that vehicle and what she accomplished using, I
> assume, that vehicle, the Chevy Tomato should go in a Caver Vehicle Museum
> in NM, TX or Huntsville. I mean in NM the humidity is so low the museum
> would not even have to be under roof.
>
> However, Nico is correct I am sure about the maintenance history of such
> vehicle. Having rebuilt an old caving vehicle decades ago, I have no desire
> to do another one. For one, the safety features on newer vehicles are worth
> it, and reliability counts as well. Cost? Fairly new vehicles to me are
> worth it because I no longer have unlimited time or necessarily want to
> make unlimited time, yet, to get there, with multiple tire problems,
> overheating, wheels flying off, drive shafts slinging off down the
> interstate or country dirt caving roads,  carb. clogging up from dirty fuel
> tanks, and more. Does anyone really get off road these days. Are there
> still caves to be found?
>
> I would be happy to see the Old School Bus in a museum. I would pay for
> having Strickland's old '68 Red Dodge Power Wagon pulled out of the weeds
> and hauled to Huntsville. There is space behind the hdqtrs in Huntsville
> for several vehicles. Terry R. do you still have an old vehicle or two to
> donate to the cause? We could park them in Huntsville, with Geary's
> permission,  and put a couple of drip pans underneath, maybe a half dozen
> drip pans. Are any of Frank's old Toyotas still stuck back in the weeds? I
> know Blake has one two.
>
> By the way George can do whatever he wants in my book. That TX convention
> was tops and those things are not easy to put on. Volunteer and help at TN.
>
> Nico, we will never get tired of your Giant Caves of Northern Mexico.
>
>
> Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY
>
> On Saturday, June 8, 2019, 11:04:43 AM CDT, Nico Escamilla <
> pitboun...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Vw saveiro as well as the Chevrolet tornado are gutless, Ive driven both,
> they're good for running errands and have decent fuel economy but thats it,
> neither could ever be considered a caving vehicle unless your idea of
> caving involves paved roads to the entrance like Palmito or Grutas de
> Garcia. They're nothing but a small carr disguised as a pickup, in the case
> of the Chevy its the Aveo platform with a pickup bed and the VW I believe
> its the Polo/vento turned into a pick'em up truck or I could be wrong and
> it could be the Gol platform... in any case, they both have tiny engines
> aimed at fuel economy and thats it, the Chevy is geared lower which helps
> with you put 500 kilos worth cattle feed or such in the bed, the tradeoff
> is higher rpms at highway speeds.. Ground clearance is nothing to write
> home about either.. I could go on and on, but that'd be as pointless as
> most of Locklear's posts on this listserve since neither of them vehicles
> is offered in the states cause they're little death boxes without airbags
> or any such safety features.
>
> Nico
>
>
> Nico
>
>
> 
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>
> El vie., 7 de jun. de 2019 7:37 PM, David 
> escribió:
>
> I saw the Volkwagen in the link below on the highway in Houston today, or
> something very similar to it.
>
>
>
> http://an-review.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/3/9/78391004/new-saveiro-2018-2_orig.jpg
>
> I think it had Mexican plates.
>
> Somebody should get one for Walt.
>
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[Texascavers] Goodbye to Bill Mixon

[Jocelyn Hooper]

I am sorry to have to say we have lost another caver friend.  Bill Mixon
died this morning after a long battle with myasthenia gravis.  Peter
Sprouse is compiling the obit.
Jocie
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[Texascavers] How to contact Monica Ponce?

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Does anyone have Monica's email address?
Thanks!
Jocie
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[Texascavers] Off Trail Access at Palmito?

[Jocelyn Hooper]

Dave Brook forwarded this request to me.  Orion says he is not up on the
subject, and Rune is down in Mexico right now...so, does anyone else
familiar with Bustamante have an answer for Michelle?  Can she get the
permit in town, or does it have to be at the State level?
Thanks!
Jocie

*From:* "Michelle Nilles" 
> *Date:* April 9, 2019 at 17:04:08 PDT
> *To:* 
> *Subject:* *[SFBC] Bustamante cave permit (near Monterrey Mexico)*
>
> A group of 4 of us is heading to Monterrey in a couple weeks and we are
> wanting to explore Bustamante cave (aka Palmito), which I’ve been in twice
> before in 2006 and 2010. I learned today from a friend of mine in Monterrey
> that the town requires a permit now to go off the tourist catwalk. Does
> anyone have any contacts in Texas grottos that I might contact for more
> information about this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Michelle
>
>
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