Re: [Texascavers] cave-diving discovery

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Not sure if Mixon's post is in response to the article by Tom Iliffe that was 
published on 2018-0107.

In case it is not, or for those who missed it:

https://theconversation.com/scientist-at-work-ive-dived-in-hundreds-of-underwater-caves-hunting-for-new-forms-of-life-88851?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebookbutton

Very cool fotos of remipedes,

as well as this quote about same:

"Some discoveries can be completely unanticipated. For example, when we 
sequenced DNA from a variety of arthropods, including crustaceans and insects, 
the data strongly support a sister group relationship between hexapods (the 
insects) and remipedes, a small and enigmatic group of marine crustaceans 
exclusively found in underwater caves. This places the remipedes in a pivotal 
position to understanding the evolution of crustaceans and insects."

- julia

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mixon Bill via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 10:10
To: Cavers Texas
Cc: Mixon Bill
Subject: [Texascavers] cave-diving discovery

One of my favorite stories about the potential for cave-diving discoveries is 
the remipedes in an underwater cave in the Bahamas first seen by Jill Yager, 
who got to write a paper describing not only a new species, but a new genus, a 
new family, and a new class. She was a high-school biology teacher at the time. 
I asked her once why she skipped naming an order, but she didn't know. All 
living species are in the order Nectiopoda now. -- Mixon

A chicken is the egg's way of creating another egg.

You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list 
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Re: [Texascavers] Folks, Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and microbiologist.

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Excellent article.

My favorite line:
"Since his seminal work, Pace has studied the microbes of many other 
inhospitable environments, including caves, hydrothermal vents at the bottom of 
the ocean, and the New York subway."

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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Geary Schindel via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 08:05
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Subject: [Texascavers] Folks, Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver 
Extraordinaire and microbiologist.

Folks,

Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and 
microbiologist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/07/the-man-who-blew-the-door-off-the-microbial-world/534246/

Geary Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] O9 Well

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Be sure to check out the fotos taken and posted by Bennett on FaceBook.

- from julia's cell

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On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:06, Galen Falgout via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

Good job guys!!

On Jul 2, 2017 9:48 AM, "Ben Hutchins via Texascavers" 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Well was fixed in short order:
Thanks Bennett, Bev, and Ken. Great when cavers represent to other people on 
the land (which actually seems to happen a lot).

Ben H

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
I was wondering about the business at O9 Well.  Did someone get down there and 
clean the broken rods out of the pipe?

Many years ago that would have been my father's job.  He would not have gone 
down the drop but would have pulled the pipe out with his pickup.  My father 
was Peck Young, the area windmill man.  He installed that Aermotor windmill 
which stands over O9 well and took care of all of the windmills for the Noelke 
family which leases university land in the area.  I was my dad's helper in the 
Summers and I have been to many Noelke windmills but never to O9 well.  I do 
remember that he told me once that he slid down the pipe.  He did not say how 
he got out - probably rode up on the hook at the end of a cable as his helper 
pulled him out with the pickup.

Pardon my nostalgic diversion.  If anyone is interested, I have written up some 
stories about windmilling with my father on our website.  Contact me off of 
TexasCavers and I will send you the link.

. Sam Young

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Re: [Texascavers] another intimate personal story

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

To be immortalized in a Charles Loving cartoon is quite an honor bestowed upon 
very few cavers. He always uses a play on or the commonly known nickname of the 
caver. Bockbeer is a great one. Many people like Bock Beer, and Locklear.  :)

- from julia's cell

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On Jun 24, 2017, at 07:01, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:

I like Bockbeer and have messed about with him a few times. He is a real hoot. 
I guess my comments about him and my Bockbeer comic were taken the wrong way. 
The last episode had him in the hands of the Giant naked women of the under 
world and Karst Walker and BS trying to rescue him. The tequila mobile was also 
involved flown by another well known caver. It had drilled down the area in 
question. BS was involved with a monster rising from a sumpmcand Karst was  
about to be sacrificed to the Cave Gods. That was to be continued.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Nancy Weaver via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>> wrote:
Mallory - so well written and I totally agree.  I have zero interest in going 
to convention any how righteous I feel about the decision as I read David’s 
travails.  I also recall very fondly the ICS in Kerrville when at some banquet 
or another David set up a golf pitch which added immensely to the pleasure of 
‘just another’ meal.
I’m always so amazed by the rather sour folks who diss him.  Just don’t read 
it.  Or better yet, see a shrink and figure out why David’s trip reports make 
you so angry.

cheers,
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] The Big Dipper

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Cool foto for a cell fon.

Don’t rag on MC. MC saved you from stressing over the Sequoia. And snagged a 
hotel room. And transported your cowpoke for you. And MC might read your posts.

I sympathize with you. I have been in the same situation when at NSS 
conventions and dependent on someone else for a ride to the hotel.

Just remember: It’s not the journey that matters, it’s the destination! Well, 
at least when the destination is a caving convention.  ;)


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 00:07
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: David
Subject: [Texascavers] The Big Dipper

I took this photo at the 2017 NSS Howdy Party with my LG G6.

David Locklear
NSS # 27639

I am ready to go to the motel, but MC is having too much fun.
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Re: [Texascavers] 2017 NSS Howdy Party Finale

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

AND – you got there a day early AND didn’t have to drive like a madman to get 
there just before it was over! ☺


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From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David via Texascavers
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 23:50
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
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Subject: [Texascavers] 2017 NSS Howdy Party Finale

It takes a few beers to get everybody loosened up, but it always eventually 
happens.

This may be the first Howdy Party where the Big Dipper is directly overhead.


P.S.   I meant to say earlier that I nominate Bill for the "Zeb Walton Award."

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Dave!

Thank you for your reply.  I figured you might have had interactions with NGS 
over the years.

I understand about not making the comparisons. As I mentioned in my post, I am 
very prejudiced - I love your work, and feel privileged that I get to see so 
much of it. You are very kind to share it with the caving community.

julia

 

 

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Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave



Thanks Julia though I would not be  inclined to make such a comparison of 
my own work with other major  photographers. I definitely think Robbie is 
one of the Top Guns  these days, doing some great work. 
  
  I've had frustratingly close encounters with NGS, and have been on  4 
expedtions they helped sponsor.  My stuff has appeared on the  website, and 
twice almost in the main mag, and once actually in  the mag was a shot I 
set up in Lake of the Blue Giants by placing  underwater lights, but the 
photographer floating on top got the  only credit. I've had stuff in NGS 
Adventure, and was about the  have a big spread from our Xe Bang Fair river 
cave in Laos at  last, when they folded the whole magazine a month before! 
The only  sure way to get in is if they hire you to do a shoot.
  
  Dave
  
  On 2/22/2017 9:48 AM, Julia Germany wrote:



 While these fotos are nice and all..

Dave Bunnell's are waay better.  (Maybe I am
prejudiced!)

SO - Dave - when are you gonna be on the cover of NG, and   
 have a major article/foto spread??

:)


julia
  

 


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If you like  Robbie's photos, then check out his portfolio 
gallery  on his website.
  
  http://www.shonephotography.com/portfolios/
  
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>From the National Geographic website today:
  

  
  
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] How to photograph a cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 While these fotos are nice and all..

Dave Bunnell's are waay better.  (Maybe I am prejudiced!)

SO - Dave - when are you gonna be on the cover of NG, and have a major 
article/foto spread??

:)


julia

 

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If you like Robbie's photos, then check out his portfolio gallery on his 
website.

http://www.shonephotography.com/portfolios/

Jerry Atkinson.
 

 

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>From the National Geographic website today:




http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/02/how-to-photograph-a-cave/




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Re: [Texascavers] A caver celebrity ??

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H - having him rappel into a cave with a man who has been dead 20 
years..

 

 

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Subject: [Texascavers] A caver celebrity ??



According to the newest advertisement by LG Mobile, David Angel is an "expert 
caver," and so you should buy LG phones and products because he recommends 
them.   It shows him rappelling in a cave.


But instead of partnering him up with someone credible  like Jacques Cousteau, 
they match him up with a street parkourist.


David Locklear
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[Texascavers] Property with Cave for sale - Bloomington, IN

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Received an email today from a real estate agent alerting me to a property for 
sale in Bloomington, IN that includes a cave.  Property is 88.36 acres.

Click on the link below and scroll through the pics (there are 23). Pics 11-13 
show the sink entrance; looks interesting. No pics inside the cave.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/7318-W-Eller-Rd-Bloomington-IN-47403/2113160540_zpid/

Just up the road from the property is Karst Farm Park. Interesting name.

 

 

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[Texascavers] Fwd: sinkholes and salamanders (and other unrelated stuff)

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Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2016 1:56 pm
Subject: Voting, sinkholes and salamanders

















  Voting, Sinkholes, Salamanders  Dec. 5, 
2016
































Dear SMRFers: 
 
 
VOTE PLEASE!  It is astonishing how few people remember that a Mayor and two 
Council Members runoff election is going on, so talk it up among your family 
and friends this week especially.  Wear your "I Voted" sticker every day, send 
emails, facebook posts, text messages and just plain call your family and 
friends too.  Tell people remember to vote TODAY, Monday, from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. 
at the Government Center, or Tuesday through Friday this week from 8 a.m. to 5 
p.m. at that site. Also, today from 7 to 7 is the last day the Broadway Early 
Vote site will be open for early voting! And then tomorrow Tues and Wed, from 
11 to 7 the campus early voting will be going on at the LBJ Student Center.  
Then the actual Election Day is next Tuesday, Dec. 13th but do not wait for 
that. Please early vote this week, in case something interrupts your day on the 
13th, preventing you from voting!   Voting in these local elections is 
extremely important in the issues that affect you personally the most, right 
here in San Marcos.  http://www.Vote411.com still has these 3 races posted, 
with answers from candidates there from the LWV questionnaires distributed in 
Sept. . 
 
SINKHOLE:  We heard of a sinkhole just west of IH 35 at 410 by listening to the 
news from San Antonio this morning.  Last night there was this big sinkhole 
formed in SA which swallowed two cars. It just looked like a puddle of water in 
the dark, but it was a deep hole.  One man was rescued, but a female deputy 
(and the police vehicle) have not yet been recovered from the hole.  One report 
was that it was a sewer line which caused the sinkhole, which is very 
frightening news indeed.  Stay tuned to SA stations to learn more.  Apparently 
there were four major sewer line overflows yesterday there.  Often water line 
breaks cause sinkholes, because of the force of the leaking water tearing away 
at the soil, but in this case,  perhaps the rains caused a lot of inflow into 
sewer lines, where there are breaks, and this caused the problem.  We will know 
more later about whether this is on the recharge or contributing zone.  
 
BLIND SALAMANDERS MISSING:   One of the articles about this Thanksgiving Day 
mystery mentioned that the SMARC staff are investigating whether some predator 
like a raccoon could have fished the salamanders out of the aquariums. But they 
did not find any obvious evidence of that, in the first day the salamanders 
were missing. Since then the investigation process is keeping the SMARC and 
police from being talkative about the work they are doing on the case.  The 
blind salamanders disappeared over Thanksgiving, and the police were called in 
to investigate, since these are very precious salamanders.  They are aquifer 
dwellers underground, and are often are ejected from a spring and captured 
because they cannot survive in the creeks and rivers.   They are kept at SMARC 
so that research can be done on how to keep them healthy, reproducing and 
growing well in captivity.  The refugium at SMARC is just that---a refuge that 
is charged with keeping this endangered species alive if the aquifer is 
polluted or dries up.  If that happened some salamanders might have to live in 
aquariums at SMARC for a while.  Then once the natural habitat improves or is 
cleaned up, that species could be reintroduced to its natural habitat.  I know 
that everyone at the refugium is doing all they can to be sure this case is 
solved, and most of all, prevented from ever happening again.  Even the 
salamanders at the Meadows Center are now being locked up, in case there really 
is som

Re: [Texascavers] video of TCR 2016 by Dorothy Mladenka

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Dorothy!

Those were great fun! Enjoyed the "selfies" at the end.  :)

Miss you,
julia

 

 

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Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2016 11:15 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] video of TCR 2016 by Dorothy Mladenka



DorothyMladenka in Houston asked me to send this link because she is
not a subscriber to the texascavers list.

It is a 4:19 minute  silent video she put on youtube of the Texas Caver 
   Reunion 2016 at Paradise Canyon.
  
 She describes it as a "digital "8mm" movie recorded by dorothy
mladenka. I shot this on an ipod touch using the app iSupr8. Ilike the 
funkiness of this app."


2016 TCR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PIcxwarD4&feature=youtu.be   
   
  
  You can also see her videos of previous TCRs that she took with  her 
tiny VQ2005 toy camera. Lots of fun people shots.
  
  2014 TCR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3pgt9PdqoU
  
  2011 TCRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_gW4Y0RmA
  
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[Texascavers] Periscope upgrades live streams....

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Periscope upgrades live streams, lets brands sponsor content
Periscope is upgrading its live streams to allow creators to include graphics 
and pre-recorded content. Twitter is also letting brands sponsor Periscope live 
streams with the option to include pre-roll spots.
 Mashable(9/1),   Marketing Land(9/1)  
 
http://mashable.com/2016/09/01/twitter-periscope-sponsor/#yyI5G_Q6OuqJ

http://marketingland.com/twitters-periscope-tests-adding-pre-recorded-video-graphics-live-broadcasts-190175






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Re: [Texascavers] whirlpool cave in the news (sorta)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Thank you, Katie. That was an interesting article. Loved the German mythology 
the writer chose to incorporate.

I am also thrilled that the artist, Cherina, had been a protégé of Henry Moore. 
I am a HUGE fan of Henry Moore's work. I would love to have the piece, but 
unless Don B. is willing to sell it really cheap, I am out of luck.  I could 
arrange for the transport though. :)

Cool foto, LowGun!

julia

 

 

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-Original Message-
From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
To: Katie Arens ; Cave Texas 
; Don Broussard 
Sent: Sun, Jul 24, 2016 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] whirlpool cave in the news (sorta)

Katie, thanks for sending the link to Ken Herman's article about the 
sculpture that Don Broussard inherited.  Don is not on this list or 
subscribe to the newspaper, so I called him and am sending the link to 
the article.  Don told me that if anyone wants to buy it, contact him.  
Delivery not included.

Attached is a photo I took of Ken, Don, and the sculpture a couple of 
weeks ago.

Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] Trip Report #4 of 10 - ILL CAVER

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Who is he referring to:
 


But now there is a ill caver hospitalized that needs help far more than me.

 
Is this someone at the convention?


 

Julia G Germany
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-Original Message-
From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Wed, Jul 20, 2016 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Trip Report #4 of 10



>From Bockbeer's post Who gives a damn wether or not he stays in a Motel Six in 
>or near El Paso. An why does his truck overheat. Mine never has in 15 years. 


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:28 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I have not posted anything here, because I have had an uneventful trip, and 
very poor phone service, and practically no internet.   T-Mobile SUCKS for 
road-trips.
I accomplished most of my goals, but sort of did each in a mediocre way.I 
ended up touring Lehman Cave twice as my day was shot.  I was there concerned 
about driving to Ely in the heat of the afternoon, as I thought incorrectly 
that I had a stuck thermostat.I rigged a 1/2" twisted nylon rope to my hood 
and propped it open 3 inches and drove back to Ely for nearly 2 hours for what 
is normally a 45 minute drive.
I was really surprised to see Mrs. Etsy Pape at the event.And I was sad 
that people I had hoped to see where not there. 
One can glorify this journey of mine if they wish, but the truth is that it was 
insanely retarded.
I just lucked out that my new SUV is so awesome.  
I am bound for Houston as of Wednesday afternoon and I am just north of Phoenix 
letting the radiator to cool off to install a new radiator cap and top off the 
coolant.
I have verified the Sonoran Desert is hot in the mid-day of July.
I will most likely end up in a $ 40 motel tonight near El Paso.

My first work-delivery is in Huntsville, Texas on Thursday night.   But that 
will most likely change in the next 24 hours.
Numerous generous cavers knudged me onward, pledging to sponsor my journey.   I 
have collected $ 40 so far, but that was a humongous help.
I set up a Chase Quikpay and PayPal just in case, using my email at
dlocklea...@gmail.com
But now there is a ill caver hospitalized that needs help far more than me.
I will eventually get home, just later than estimated. 
David Locklear
NSS #27639

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Re: [Texascavers] Comal County Caving

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi George!

Very cool that there will be an updated report on this area.

Is there a way to get a notification from the USGS that the report is 
available?  If not, and if you are allowed, please do let us know when the 
report is published.

Thank you,
julia

 

 

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From: George Veni via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2016 12:05 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Comal County Caving

The geology there is the upper member of the Glen Rose. The USGS is publishing 
a report with the latest detailed mapping of the area. I was asked to review 
the draft and can't say much until they release the final report, but they 
subdivided the upper Glen Rose into several units that nicely match the unit 
thicknesses as interpolated by cave depths. Once the map is published, the data 
should be digitally available on line.

George


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org


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Logan McNatt via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 21:30
To: Cave Texas ; Marvin Miller 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Comal County Caving

Marvin,
 Thanks for your report on today's trip by Bexar Grotto cavers to Kleck Park in 
Comal County. Refreshing to read a caving trip report on the texascavers list. 
Hope it will encourage other Texas cavers to send their reports. There is a lot 
of caving going on in Texas but much of it doesn't seem to be reported, at 
least here.

What is the geology in Kleck Park that has resulted in so many karst features?

Logan McNatt
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Charles!

Many thanks for posting the rules. I am sure I must have read them in the way 
back when I first joined.

Having not read these rules in many years, I made the wrong assumption that 
topics posted here must be cave(r)-related.

Like you, I take advantage of the warning David provides to "delete now" if I 
am not interested.

Again, thank you for re-posting the link to the 4 simple rules to follow while 
a member of this listserv.

And, many thanks for remaining our thoughtful moderator. I very much appreciate 
the time you put into making this listserv function. 

Happy caving!
julia 

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 15:29, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have 4 rules: http://texascavers.com/rules.html
> 
> David hasn't broken any rules and no, he's older than me Bob.
> 
> I maintain the rules as list owner, that's it.  I've always stated that this 
> list is self moderated.  If you don't like a post that someone has sent out, 
> send them a private message if possible. 
> 
> If you don't like the list and how it's run, anyone is free to step up and 
> take over, including hosting and paying.  Or, it's just easier to delete a 
> message and go about enjoying your day.  Personally, that's what I do.
> 
> Charles
> list owner
> wo...@justfamily.org
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi Frank!
>> 
>> We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
>> other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
>> in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.
>> 
>> I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
>> "delete now if you don't want to read it."
>> 
>> However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
>> the purpose of cave-related posts.
>> 
>> I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book 
>> pages.
>> 
>> Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David 
>> post any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, 
>> even politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues 
>> to improperly use this listserv.
>> 
>> julia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - from julia's cell
>> 
>> Julia G Germany
>> c: 281.979.9208
>> e: germa...@aol.com
>> 
>> > On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
>> > caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
>> > unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from 
>> > David Locklear.
>> > I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded 
>> > my inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
>> > Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
>> > suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Frank Binney
>> > NSS 10816 Fellow
>> > i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Can Locklear please restrain himself !!

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Frank!

We don't want to lose a valuable, iconic Texas caver from this list. Or any 
other cavers. Some folks forget these posts are read by cavers who are not  
in/from Texas. And, who don't know David.

I have no doubt someone will point out that David's posts say "off-topic," 
"delete now if you don't want to read it."

However, I concur that this listserv has a clear intention of being used for 
the purpose of cave-related posts.

I know David L posts comments on the various Texas cave-related Face Book pages.

Perhaps the moderator of this listserv could politely suggest that David post 
any non-cave related information on these other sites.  And, perhaps, even 
politely let David know that he might be unsubscribed if he continues to 
improperly use this listserv.

julia 



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Julia G Germany
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e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 13:30, Frank Binney via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many, if not most of us, subscribe to CaveTex to keep up with caving and 
> caver-related news. A number of cavers I know have, unfortunately, 
> unsubscribed from the list because of the volume of off-topic spam from David 
> Locklear. 
> I’m about to join them, as David’s recent return to the list has flooded my 
> inbox with list-inappropriate posts.
> Can those of you who like David please counsel him on list etiquette and 
> suggest more appropriate venues for his off-topic posts?
> Thanks,
> Frank Binney
> NSS 10816 Fellow
> i...@frankbinney.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Saturday Cave Dig in New Braunfels (July 2)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

You know you jinxed any hope of finding a good vertical drop by suggesting 
folks bring vertical gear. ;)

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
c: 281.979.9208
e: germa...@aol.com

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 07:45, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> We have been contacted by the Lachance's and have arranged another trip to 
> the Lachance Cave dig located in New Braunfels, Texas. The cave is also known 
> as Bob Cowell's Hole as he dug in the cave a lot in the 80's.
> 
> We'll leave San Antonio at 8:30 am on Saturday, July 2 for a day of fun in 
> the cave. We'll knock off when it gets too hot for those on the surface and 
> find a place to hop in the Guadalupe River. We can meet at 9 am at the cave.
> 
> If folks are interested, we can eat in the afternoon/evening at Cooper's 
> Barbeque. If it gets hot early, we can always go tubing in Comal Springs or 
> Guadalupe River.
> 
> What to bring. Helmet, light, gloves, kneepads, change of clothes, and any 5 
> gallon buckets and digging tools you may have.
> 
> Lawn Chair, lunch, drinks.
> 
> If you have vertical gear, you might want to bring it in case we get lucky.
> 
> The cave is a 20 foot hands and knees crawl to a 10 foot down climb followed 
> by a 15 foot down climb to a horizontal dig.
> 
> This cave takes a large volume of water and will actually flood the nearby 
> home during heavy rains. The owners have said that the cave appears to have 
> opened up since the last large rain.
> 
> Who knows, the cave may now be washed open. The owners have installed a 
> ladder to make access to the 15 foot drop easier.
> 
> The cave drains a fairly large area and is located north and west of Comal 
> Springs on the north side of the Guadalupe River. We estimate the depth to 
> the water table is 250 feet with water entering the cave discharging at San 
> Marcos Springs, 20 miles to the north.
> 
> This area has excellent potential for a very large cave.
> 
> So, please email me for additional information if you would like to go.
> 
> Geary Schindel
> 210.326.1576 cell
> 
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[Texascavers] Batboy is back, and better than ever (cave included)

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 “Hold your Bat Boy, touch your Bat Boy, no more need to hide! Know your Bat 
Boy, love your Bat Boy, don't deny your beast inside! Ah, ah, ah!”

On stage, in Houston, through 24 July.


Here's the full review: 
http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/bat-boy-the-musical-a-bat-boys-gotta-do-what-a-bat-boys-gotta-do-8517856
  


Julia G Germany
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Scott!

Please add your email address to your signature block. 

I would bet there are folks on this listserv who would be willing to discuss 
off-list your non-Powell's gate project fundraising concerns/comments.

We don't want to lose good cavers and grotto leaders like you!

julia

 

 

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To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Jun 12, 2016 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :



Jerry,


Thanks! I really appreciate your thoughtful response and the information. Some 
of these steps I've been pursuing, but others are good insights that I haven't. 
Sometimes, this issue just really frustrates me. It's good to know that other 
people feel this way, too. However, it's sad to learn that this has been an 
ongoing issue for such a long time. Most everybody that I have met & caved with 
in our grotto and in the Texas caving community so far have been really solid 
people who are enthusiastic about caving and open to helping those around them 
enjoy the sport. I've learned from talking with some of these people though 
that there is an undercurrent of frustration with some of the seeming cliquish 
or closed off nature of cave access sometimes which discourages pursuit of the 
sport. Since I have come to really love caving, I hate to see people get 
discouraged, because of some sort of systemic problem. Anyways...Hopefully, 
with the continued awesome work of organizations like TCMA, etc... and behind 
the scenes work of individual cavers who are talking with landowners, more of 
these Texas caves can be opened up to the Texas caving community at large via 
grotto trips, etc...


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 12, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Jerry via Texascavers 
 wrote:



Scott,

You are not alone; this has been an issue for decades.  To find out about Texas 
caves in general, I suggest getting the guidebook "The Caves and Karst of 
Texas" which is available for $15to TSA and NSS members from the Texas 
Speleological Survey. Other county-specific publications on Texas caves are 
available for free download from the TSS website.

To go caving, you have several options:
1.) Participate in TSA, TCMA, and TSS projects which are advertised on the 
various Facebook pages and the TexasCavers listserve.
2.) Get the elder members of your grotto to coordinate more trips for the 
members
3.) Mingle with folks at the TSA Convention and TCR that are involved with 
caving in areas and caves that you are interested in
4.) Directly ask specific cave landowner contacts for a trip.

You probably will have to get out of your comfort zone a bit to get things 
moving, but your interest and motivation will win the hearts and minds of your 
fellow cavers.

Jerry Atkinson
Texas Speleological Survey


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To: texascavers 
Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Powell’s Cave Gate Project Needs Your Help :



Carl,


Very interesting article :) Thanks! Sounds like a cool cave I and others in our 
grotto would love to explore! 


I might be wrong in this, but it seems like to me there might be a number of 
these types of cool caves. Caves that were very popular in past years, but for 
some reason or another, currently, a lot of newer cavers never here about them 
anymore or don't seem to have access. I completely understand the issue of 
landowner relations that you brought up in your article. It's just kind of sad 
to me that more grotto members don't have access or knowledge of a lot of these 
caves. I really hope that we can move to increase knowledge and access to these 
awesome caves. I'd love to explore them, and I know a lot of other newer cavers 
would as well. I mean we regularly here about and plan trips to Robber Baron, 
Whirlpool, Logan's, Airman's, now O-9 Well, and Deep & Punkin' which are 
awesome! However, the same small slate of caves kind of get stale after a 
while. But then Midnight and others are right there in Carta Valley, and the 
majority of us can't get into them. Only a small group with special access 
visits them. That also happens with Perry Water Cave, and a number of other 
caves in Texas. However, when we take our yearly grotto trip up to TAG, even 
though we're total outsiders, we can get permits and visit tons of outstanding 
caves! I just wish that here in our home state it didn't feel so restricted, 
and like some sort of back-channel type of system for individuals or grottos to 
visit all the terrific caves our state has to offer. Thanks.


Are you going to be at NSS this year? I'd like to check out your book. 


Sincerely,


Scott Cogburn
Greater Houston Grotto
Treasurer
 



 
 
 
 On Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:44 PM, Scott C via Texascavers 
 wrote:

  

 


Carl,


Thanks so much for the link! I'll check it out :)


Cheers,


Scott Cogb

Re: [Texascavers] Epic Bexar Grotto Presentation this Monday

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Would the presenter consider presenting this presentation in one of those large 
far away cities?
 

 

Julia G Germany
germa...@aol.com 

 

 

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To: bexargrotto ; 'texascavers@texascavers.com' 

Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 6:16 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Epic Bexar Grotto Presentation this Monday



This Monday's Bexar Grotto meeting will have one of the most epic presentations 
ever. It's a hands-on knot tying workshop. I've personally spent days 
photographing numerous knots and how to tie them step-by-step. It makes Knots 
by Grog look like crap. Well, OK, Knots by Grog is really awesome, but my 
presentation includes some unique tying methods, including a way to tie a 
perfectly sized Alpine Butterfly in just 3 seconds! That's right! Perfect 
length and only 3 seconds to tie! You will NOT find this method in Ashley Book 
of Knots or On Rope or Animated Knots by Grog. And I have unique methods for 
other knots in my presentation, too.
 
If you're new to caving and knots, you definitely don't want to miss this. Even 
if you're experienced, you don't want to miss the unique ways to tie these 
well-known caving knots. If you're somewhere far from San Antonio, like Houston 
or Dallas, it's worth using some vacation time or calling in sick to work so 
you can come see this epic presentation.
 
Bexar Grotto, 7pm–9pm
Monday, May 23, 2016
Chester's Hamburgers
1006 NE Interstate 410 Loop
San Antonio, TX 78209
 
If anyone has extra rope sections, about 6–10 feet (2–3m) long, please bring 
them. I will have many available, but I probably won't have enough for everyone.
 
--Bennett

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[Texascavers] Fwd: AGI Partners with MAPPT™

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 API offering discounts to non-profits, universities.  See below.

 

Julia G Germany
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Sent: Thu, May 19, 2016 2:00 pm
Subject: AGI Partners with MAPPT™









Contact: John Rasanen (j...@americangeosciences.org)




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Re: [Texascavers] Texas NSS Members--some statistics

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

So, I guess, based on zip code density, that Austin really is the center of the 
caving universe. ;)
 


ZIP CODES WITH THE MOST NSS MEMBERS: the 787xx zip code in Austin,Texas 
ranks 8th, with 85
Georgia has 3 zip codes in the top 10

 

 

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-Original Message-
From: Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
To: Cave Texas 
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2016 10:31 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas NSS Members--some statistics


The NSS Members Manual used to include a statistical summary of NSS
members by various categories. I was curious about Texas socontacted the 
Manual Editor Kelly Smallwood, who referred me to BobHoke. Bob has been 
compiling data for the NSS Members Manuals foryears, and promptly provided 
me with statistics regarding currentNSS members as of Feb 16, 2016. I've 
selected some, with mycomments, that I think will be of interest to Texas 
cavers and otherlist subscribers.
Thanks Bob!
Logan McNatt  lmcn...@austin.rr.com
NSS 11274

Current NSS Member Data as of Feb 16, 2016

TOTAL NSS MEMBERS9,256  (including 109 in Canada and 203 inother 
countries)

STATES WITH THE MOST NSS MEMBERS:  Texas ranks 7th
Georgia 602  Virginia 598  Tennessee 582  California 559  Florida532  
Pennsylvania 467  Texas 419
Alabama 414  Ohio 386  Colorado 367  Indiana 331  Missouri 285

ZIP CODES WITH THE MOST NSS MEMBERS: the 787xx zip code in Austin,Texas 
ranks 8th, with 85
Georgia has 3 zip codes in the top 10

LOWEST ACTIVE NSS NUMBERS (below 10K):
[Cavers with #s from 1 to 9,999  joined from 1939 to 1967, and werethe 
first to light the way with for those who followed.]
#247 Virginia#262 Iowa#373 Alabama#509 Texas   #518 
California#568 Virginia#645 Pennsylvania
#742 Maryland#812 Tennessee   #835 Missouri#882Pennsylvania
#913 Idaho

Texas currently has one 3-digit (#509, Roy Pietsch, Dallas) and 39
4-digit members.
There are others who have not maintained their membership.
See attached list. If it doesn't make the journey, I'll resend.




  
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] WNS issues and the NSS 75th Anniversary Convention

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 Howdy Texas Cavers!

Please read the email below regarding caving and WNS while you are in Nevada 
for the 75th NSS Convention.

Please forward the message below to other Texas grottos, off-list cavers, as 
well as the various FB accounts that exist for Texas and other cavers.

And, don't forget to register for the NSS Convention: 
http://nss2016.caves.org/registration/index.php 


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-Original Message-
From: Matt Bowers 
To: NSSwest ; ncacavers ; 
swr ; azregion ; colorado_grotto 
; TIMPANOGOSgrotto 

Cc: Southern_Nevada_Grotto ; NNVGrotto 

Sent: Thu, Mar 31, 2016 5:45 pm
Subject: [SWR] WNS issues and the NSS 75th Anniversary Convention



Caver family -
 
Sadly, we learned today of the presence of White Nose Syndrome in Washington 
State. WNS has devastated millions of bats across the eastern USA. While many 
western cavers thought it was just a matter of time, we'd hoped we had more 
time than this... 
 
Please know - this changes nothing for the cave trips being offered at the NSS 
75th Anniversary Convention this summer in Ely, Nevada.
 
>From the beginning, we have always planned for WNS decontamination to be 
>mandatory before anyone will be allowed on trips. The convention team is 
>working with the Bureau of Land Management to have a mobile decon station on 
>site at the convention this summer. It will follow USFWS protocols.
 
Additionally, it's important to know that most bats in Nevada prefer to roost 
in mines rather than caves. Our state has thousands of abandoned mines that are 
used by bats throughout the year. The convention is not planning any 
underground mine trips.
 
Finally, we ask that you not bring cave gear into the state from infected 
areas. Most of the caves on our trip schedule are warm enough that you won't 
need coveralls anyway. Please leave them at home and plan to decon everything 
else before you sign up for cave trips during the convention. We will have the 
decon station operable on the weekends around our convention for those of you 
arriving early or staying late.
 
The NSS 2016 Convention firmly believes that cavers have never been a 
transmission vector for this syndrome. Let's keep it that way!
 
We will post additional information as it becomes available.
 
 
NSS 75th Anniversary Convention
July 16-23, 2016 ~ Ely, Nevada
http://nss2016.caves.org
#nss75th
 
 
Please share this with your grottos.
 

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[Texascavers] Fwd: New Funding Promises Brighter Future for State Parks

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From: Texas State Parks 
To: germanyj 
Sent: Sat, Feb 27, 2016 8:03 am
Subject: New Funding Promises Brighter Future for State Parks




State parks receive $90 million for critical repairs and improvements. More 
than 80 projects scheduled.

  





  
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The future of Texas State Parks looks bright — exceedingly bright! 
Recent legislation passed by the 84th Texas Legislature provides a significant 
increase in funding for Texas parks. For the 2016-2017 biennium, House Bill 158 
dedicates 94 percent of state sales tax revenue from the sale of sporting goods 
to Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. 


See the Improvements Coming to Parks at 
TexasStateParks.org/BrighterFuture 


How the New Funding Will Improve State Parks 
As a result of the increased funding, there are more than 80 state park repair 
and improvement projects scheduled, using a combination of new appropriations 
plus funding from previous legislative sessions. An overview of these projects 
includes:





Major Projects
Galveston Island State Park beachside will be redeveloped after being destroyed 
by Hurricane Ike in 2008. The transformational plan includes restrooms, 
boardwalks to the beach, tent camping platforms, multi-use campsites with 
electric and water service, group shelters, and day use picnic shelters. 
Franklin Mountains State Park will receive a new visitors’ center. 
Battleship Texas State Historic Site will benefit from the repair and 
replacement of critical structural components of the ship.
Palo Pinto Mountains State Park - Engineering and construction design planning 
will begin for this new 4,400 acre park which is 1 hour west of Ft. Worth. 




Repairs to Historic Structures
Many structures at our state parks are historic and in need of careful repair 
and restoration:

Historic motor court at Balmorhea State Park  
Indian Lodge at Davis Mountains State Park
Lighthouse at Port Isabel Lighthouse State Historic Site 
Historic CCC swimming pool and bathhouse at Abilene State Park
Historic structures and site at Monument Hill and Kreische House and Brewery
CCC Rock Tabernacle at Mother Neff State Park 
Custodian’s Cottage at Goliad State Park & Historic Site


State Parks Damaged by Natural Disasters 
Repairs and/or replacement will be made to facilities and trails damaged by 
floods, hurricanes, and wildfires. Damaged parks slated for work in 2016-2017 
include McKinney Falls State Park, Bastrop State Park, and Davis Mountains 
State Park. 





General Improvements and Repairs
Nineteen restrooms will be replaced throughout the state. (This will make many 
park visitors very happy!)
Water, wastewater, and electrical service renovations and replacements will be 
completed at 13 state parks. Although not usually visible to our park visitors, 
functioning and energy-efficient utility systems are important to the everyday 
workings of a state park as they provide reliable water and electricity to 
visitors. 
All of these much-needed repairs will enhance our park visitors’ experience in 
one way or another. Find out if improvements are being made to your favorite 
parks at www.TexasStateParks.org/BrighterFuture




Thanks to You!
Texas Parks and Wildlife wishes to thank park visitors like you for all of your 
support. We also want to recognize the Texas Legislature for their vision in 
providing a dedicated source of funding for state parks. And, a big thank you 
to the many others who have supported us all along — including local volunteers 
and communities, park “Friends Groups” and other non-profit groups, industry 
professionals, corporate partners and grassroots supporters across the state. 
We will invest these dollars to make a lasting impact on your state parks, now 
and for future generations.







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[Texascavers] tectonically controlled valleys on Mars

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http://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/jarosite-in-the-noctis-labyrinthus-region-of-mars



 

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[Texascavers] Matt Zappitello

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Hi Matt:

Please contact me off-list.  I need your email address.

Thanks!
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Re: [Texascavers] Punkin Cave Photo

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-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Mon, Sep 7, 2015 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Punkin Cave Photo


Arburn doesn't know cause he hasn't seen the photo cause he hasn't received the
September issue.


--Don

> On Sep 7, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Carl Kunath via
Texascavers  wrote:
> 
> Arburn doesn't know.
> I
sent a note to Bunnell seeking that information.
> It is a great photo!
> 
>
===Carl Kunath
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill via
Texascavers
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:09 PM
> To: Cavers Texas
>
Subject: [Texascavers] Punkin Cave Photo
> 
> Anybody know who took that very
nice but uncredited photo of Punkin Cave that is in the September NSS News? --
Mixon
> 
> True bravery is shown by
performing without witnesses what one might be capable of doing before all the
world.
> 
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[Texascavers] Fwd: tpwd tv Devil's Sinkhole - UPDATE ON "NEW WAVE CAVE"

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 I wrote to the TPWD's tv show producer and asked why they refer to Devil's 
Sinkhole as New Wave Cave.

His reply is below.

 

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-Original Message-
From: Don Cash 
To: germanyj 
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2015 11:29 am
Subject: tpwd tv Devil's Sinkhole


  
   
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Comment or Question:
   
 
   
Why do you have "New Wave Cave" as the title of two programs about Devil's 
Sinkhole?  I heard it referred to as New Wave Cave.  If the name has been 
officially changed, please let me know.  Thank you!
   
 
   
Devil’s Sinkhole is still Devil’s Sinkhole. “New Wave Cave” was the title of 
the video segment. Refers to the use of modern technology to map the cave. 
   
 
   
 
   
Don Cash
   
Series Producer   Texas Parks & Wildlife Television
   
4200 Smith School Road   Austin, Texas 78744
   
512-389-4792   don.c...@tpwd.texas.gov
   
 
   
   
 
  
 

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Re: [Texascavers] New Wave Cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

That's what I said!

I read this in an e-newsletter:


 
 TV: Texas Parks & Wildlife
 
Broadcast on KUHT Channel 8 at 3:00 PM each Saturday and on municipal access 
cable channels in Baytown, Deer Park, Houston, Nassau Bay, Pasadena, Seabrook, 
Sugar Land, and on HCC TV. More info on the TPWD website (* indicates a segment 
about the Houston area). For a preview, visit TPWD's YouTube Page.
 
A Tale of Two Laurens - Bay City Goose Hunt *
Parks & Wildlife People: Michael Rezsutek
New Wave Cave
Estero Llano Grande State Park

I see New Wave Cave.  Never heard of it, so I Googled it. 

I first came upon this:

TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE
The Hunting Laurens, New Wave Cave & the Marsh Doctor.

Aired: 01/04/2015
26:30
Rating: NR 

We head to Bay City, Texas for a weekend goose hunt with the 
ladies. Watch how one Texas Parks and Wildlife employee brings oil companies, 
conservation organizations, and government agencies together to work towards 
creating a sustainable future for the coastal marshes along the upper Texas 
Gulf coast. The Devil’s Sinkhole near Rocksprings is a cavernous wonder.


So I go back to the Google results for "Devil's Sinkhole and New Wave Cave" and 
find this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi8yp5L47t0

Every search leads me back to the above show by TPWD.  NEVER in the dialogue do 
they refer to it as New Wave Cave, but it's part of every title.  The episode 
is about the LiDAR project back 2012.

So - what's with tying the name New Wave Cave to DS?





 

 

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-Original Message-
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Wave Cave


 
What the hell?  
  
  
  
--Don  
 
 
  
On Jul 12, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Julia Germany via Texascavers <  
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:  
  
 
 
  
   When did Devil's Sinkhole become New Wave Cave, and why? 
  
 
 
  
 
 
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[Texascavers] New Wave Cave

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When did Devil's Sinkhole become New Wave Cave, and why?
 

 

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[Texascavers] Recreation Grants E-Newsletter: CO-OP Grant Information

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From: Texas Parks and Wildlife Department 

To: germanyj  - Julia Germany

Sent: Thu, Jul 2, 2015 1:38 pm
Subject: Recreation Grants E-Newsletter: CO-OP Grant Information


  
   
   
 
  
  
   

 
   
   

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Community Outdoor Outreach Program Grant Annouces Deadline/Workshops
 
 
  
 
 
Community Outdoor Outreach Program Grant Annouces Deadline/Workshops
Community Outdoor Outreach Program –February 1, 2016 grant deadline
Recreation Grants will be accepting applications for the Community Outdoor 
Outreach Program (CO-OP) February 1, 2016.  Tax-exempt organizations and local 
governments are eligible to apply for grants ranging from $5,000 up to $50,000 
to fund programs meeting the Texas Parks and Wildlife mission.  $1.5 million 
will be available to applicants introducing non-traditional constituents to 
TPWD related outdoor recreation, conservation and environmental education 
programs.  Applications will be accepted through our online portal called 
Recreation Grants Online (RGO) https://tpwrecgrants.fluidreview.com/  
Upcoming grant writing workshops will be held from 9am to Noon and are listed 
below:
August 18th   Houston 14200 Garrett Road, Houston, Texas 77044   
August 20thAustin1340 Airport Commerce Park, Austin, TX 78741 
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Texas Parks & Wildlife Television - June 7-13, 2015

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 Government Canyon will be featured on TPW Television on PBS next week.  Check  
your local listing for air time.

 

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Subject: Texas Parks & Wildlife Television - June 7-13, 2015


  
   
More About the Series — TPWD on PBS, YouTube
   
Texas Parks & Wildlife Television
   
June 7–13, 2015
   
Program 2308-R — Originally Aired December 7–13, 2014
   

Preview on YouTube

   
   
Featured Segments
   
Acquiring Powderhorn
   
A coalition of partners has raised nearly $38 million dollars to purchase 
17,000 acres of one of the largest remaining unspoiled tracts of coastal 
prairie in the state. The Powderhorn Ranch in Calhoun County is expected to 
become a future state park and wildlife management area for the people of Texas.
   
Outdoor Info: Campfire Tips
   
Sitting around the campfire is one of the best things about going camping. Park 
Interpreter Katie Raney has some tips for getting your campfire going safely.
   
I Love a Mystery
   
Kids at Texas A&M's SeaCamp solve mysteries using biology, chemistry, and 
physics. Their lab experiences are paralleled with the work done in the "real 
world" by TPWD's Forensics group in San Marcos.
   
Building the Canyon
   
Government Canyon State Natural Area has grown out of an unprecedented 
partnership of groups rallying to preserve a unique resource. Its pristine Hill 
Country land helps protect the aquifer below it, making it all the more 
important to nearby San Antonio.
   
Postcard From Texas
   
The Texas Bighorn Society and Texas Parks and Wildlife celebrate finishing the 
construction of two guzzlers (above-ground rainwater catchments that provide 
water for wildlife) with a feast. What’s on the menu? Yard birds, beans, and a 
good time.
   
Where To Watch
   
PBS Stations
   
Times and dates are subject to change, especially during PBS membership drives.
   

Amarillo, KACV-TV, Channel 2, Thursday 7:30 p.m.

Austin, KLRU-TV, Channel 18, Sunday 10 a.m.; Thursday 5:30 a.m. KLRU-Q, Channel 
18-3, Thursday, 6:30 p.m.; Saturday, 8 a.m.

Bryan-College Station, KAMU-TV, Channel 15, Thursday 7:30 p.m.; Saturday 6:30 
p.m.

Corpus Christi, KEDT-TV, Channel 16, Sunday 12 p.m.

Dallas-Fort Worth, KERA-TV, Channel 13, (October Through April Only) Saturday 
10:30 a.m. Also serving Abilene, Denton, Longview, Marshall, San Angelo, 
Texarkana, Tyler, Wichita Falls and Sherman.

El Paso, KCOS-TV, Channel 13, Saturday 4:30 p.m.

Harlingen, KMBH-TV, Channel 60, Sunday 11:30 a.m.; Saturday 4 p.m. Also serving 
McAllen, Mission and Brownsville.

Houston, KUHT-TV, Channel 8, Saturday 3 p.m. Also serving Beaumont, Port 
Arthur, Galveston, Texas City and Victoria.

Killeen, KNCT-TV, Channel 46, Sunday 5 p.m. Also serving Temple, Waco.

Lubbock, KTTZ-TV, Channel 5, Saturday 10 a.m.

Odessa-Midland, KPBT-TV, Channel 36, Saturday 4:30 p.m.

Oklahoma Educational TV Authority, OETA, OKLA Channel, Sunday 2:30 a.m. and 
9:30 a.m.; Tuesday 2:30 p.m.; Saturday 12 p.m.

San Antonio and Laredo, KLRN-TV, Channel 9, Sunday 11 a.m, Thursday 11:30 a.m.

Nashville, Tennessee, NPT2-TV, Channel 8.2, Saturday 9:30 a.m.

Portales, New Mexico, KENW-TV, Channel 3, Sunday 2:30 p.m.
   
   
Cable
   
Texas Parks & Wildlife can also be seen on a variety of government, educational 
and access cable channels in the following communities: Abilene; Alamo 
Colleges-San Antonio; Alice; Allen; Atlanta-KAQC; Baytown; Big Spring; Boerne; 
Brownsville; Cedar Park; Colleyville; Coppell; Corpus Christi; Crockett-KIVY; 
Dallas; Deer Park; Del Mar College-Corpus Christi; Denton; El Paso; Euless; 
Flower Mound; Fort Stockton; Fort Worth ISD-EdTV; Fort Worth; Frisco; Garland; 
Haltom City; Highland Village; Houston Community College; Houston; Irving; 
Keller; Killeen; Lubbock; Lufkin; McKinney; Mesquite; Midland; Nassau Bay; 
North Richland Hills; Ocean TV 20, Toms River, NJ; Pasadena; Rogers State 
University; Round Rock; San Antonio College; Seabrook; Stephen F. Austin U.; 
Sugar Land; Temple; Texarkana College; The Colony; Trophy Club; Tyler; 
Victoria; Waco. Check your local listings for days and times.
   
Internet
   

PBS

YouTube
   
   
More About the Series
   
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Fwd: National Decontamination Protocol Update

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-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Foote 
To: SWR Cavers 
Sent: Fri, May 29, 2015 4:37 pm
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: National Decontamination Protocol Update


 
Please start to decon at 140f now.  
   
  
  
   
  
  
   
   
-- Forwarded message --
From: Carter, Tim 
Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:09 PM
Subject: National Decontamination Protocol Update
To: s...@listserv.bsu.edu


 
  
   
ATTENTION ALL BAT BIOLOGISTS….
   

 
 
 
This just in from the USFWS…
 
 
 
 


 
Based on the ongoing investigations at the USFS' Northern Research Station into 
decontamination products and strategies, it has come to the attention of the 
Disease Management Working Group: National Decontamination Protocol subgroup 
that a current recommendation needs to be modified to increase its 
effectiveness at killing Pd. The temperature of water used for the hot water 
treatment should be increased from 50C to 60C.  Submersible gear should now be 
treated in hot water for a minimum of 60C for 20 minutes. Laboratory analyses 
indicate this small increase in sustained temperature increases the efficacy of 
the hot water treatment. Please follow all other guidance in the existing 
decontamination protocol, and remember to consider all necessary personal 
protective equipment and limitations of equipment in order to reduce the risk 
of personal or equipment-related injury when heating and maintaining water at 
this temperature. 


 
 


 
A revision of the protocol is currently being reviewed by the writing team of 
the National Decontamination Protocol subgroup. We hope to release the latest 
version this summer.  


 
 


 
Thank you,


 
 


 
Rich


 
 


 
  
Richard Geboy
  
   
Midwest Regional WNS Coordinator
  
  
   
US Fish & Wildlife Service
  
  
   
620 South Walker St.
  
  
   
Bloomington, IN 47403
  
  
   
Phone: (812) 334 - 4261 Dial 1 then Ext. 210
  
  
   
Fax: (812) 334 - 4273
  
 

   
  
 

   
  
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC

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The findings were published in the journal Subterranean Biology:  
http://subtbiol.pensoft.net/articles.php?id=4809


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From: Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers 
To: texascavers ; Geoff Hoese 
; Aaron Addison 
Sent: Thu, Apr 30, 2015 1:13 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Cave-climbing catfish on BBC


 
  
The tail of the amazing cave-climbing catfish as documented by Geoff Hoese, 
Aaron Addison and others featured on BBC.   
  
   
  
  
   Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed  
  
   

 
  
   

 
 
  
   

  
   

   
  
   

  
   

  
   

  
   

  
   

 
 
  
   

   
Amazing cave-climbing catfish filmed
 
A catfish in Ecuador is seen climbing a cave wall, the first time such 
behaviour has been documented in this species 

   
 
 
  
   


 
 
  
   
View on www.bbc.com   
  
   
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Re: [Texascavers] Just a note - Texas History

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Even tho this is a totally off topic discussion, I want to make sure everyone 
is clear on Texas history and historical dates:

02 March - Texas Independence Day

21 April - San Jacinto Day

Here's the abbreviated version about 21 April:

April 21, 1836 - On this day in 1836, Texas forces won the battle of San 
Jacinto, the concluding military event of the Texas Revolution. Facing General 
Santa Anna's Mexican army of some 1,200 men encamped in what is now 
southeastern Harris County, General Sam Houston disposed his forces in battle 
order about 3:30 p.m., during siesta time. The Texans' movements were screened 
by trees and the rising ground, and evidently Santa Anna had no lookouts 
posted. The Texan line sprang forward on the run with the cries "Remember the 
Alamo!" and "Remember Goliad!" The battle lasted but eighteen minutes. 
According to Houston's official report, the casualties were 630 Mexicans killed 
and 730 taken prisoner. Against this, only nine of the 910 Texans were killed 
or mortally wounded and thirty were wounded less seriously.
 
 As a result of the Battle of San Jacinto, almost a third of what is now the 
United States of America changed ownership. It is one of the most decisive and 
consequential battles in the history of the United States and indeed the 
Western world.

 

 

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From: Sam Young via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 11:53 am
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Just a note


  
   

Actually, today is San Jacinto Day.  Texas Independence Day is March 2.  But we 
can be happy anyhow.   



Sam W. Young
815 Thousand Oaks Loop
San Marcos TX 78666
512 392-7327   
 
  
  
  
   
   From:Louise Power via Texascavers   
   
   Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:35 PM  
   
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   Subject: [Texascavers] Just a note  
 

 
 

Happy Texas Independence Day! 
 
 

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[Texascavers] USFW Grant for Management of WNS

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Agency Name:

Fish and Wildlife Service



Description:

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is pleased to announce the 
availability of financial assistance to state wildlife agencies for issues 
related directly to the management of white nose syndrome (WNS).  

This opportunity is only open to state agencies and no more than one proposal 
will be accepted from each state. 

Priority will be given to states that have confirmed WNS or the causative 
fungus, Pseudogymnoascus destructans (Pd), and adjacent states. However all 
states are encouraged to apply. 

As of April 1, 2015, states confirmed to have WNS include: Alabama, Arkansas, 
Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, 
Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, North 
Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, 
West Virginia, and Wisconsin.  Pd has also been detected on bats in Iowa, 
Minnesota and Mississippi. 

The following adjacent states are now considered most vulnerable to the future 
spread of Pd and WNS: North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, 
Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Rhode Island, and District of Columbia.  

The Service has targeted up to $1 million for this funding opportunity in 2015 
to help build state capacity that will assist with the management and control 
of WNS.  

Available funds are from internally directed funds for Fiscal Year 2015.  These 
grant awards are made under CFDA Number 15.657, Endangered Species 
Conservation, Recovery Implementation Funds.

For more information:

http://www.grants.gov/web/grants/view-opportunity.html?oppId=275498 




 

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[Texascavers] SXSW + Longhorn Caverns

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukewinkie/zedd-party-cave#.mjqyVPLNz

(See last story below. There are other great stories in this issue of Caving 
News.)

 

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From: Caving News 
To: germanyj 
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2015 7:15 am
Subject: Your Daily Caving News



   


  
 
 Your Daily Caving News 
 
  

 

  
   
   

 Video: Caver Communications with Emergency Services 

 Biannual Pennsylvania Bat Survey Finds Glimmer of Hope 

 New Study Finds Bats Not Fans of Street Lights 

 For Sale: Canned Cave Air with Yeti Connection 

 Music Producer Holds Party in Longhorn Cavern 
   
   


  
 
 Video: Caver Communications with Emergency Services 
 
 Posted: 25 Mar 2015 04:00 AM PDT
   
Take a moment to learn the essential skill of communicating crisis information 
to emergency services for a cave rescue.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 Biannual Pennsylvania Bat Survey Finds Glimmer of Hope 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 12:00 PM PDT
   
An increase in the number of bat species found during the biannual survey of 
the Pennsylvania's Durham Mine offers some hope.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 New Study Finds Bats Not Fans of Street Lights 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 10:00 AM PDT
   
New research has discredited the popular belief that street lighting is 
attractive to bats.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 For Sale: Canned Cave Air with Yeti Connection 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 08:00 AM PDT
   
Entrepreneurs have canned the air from Siberia's Azasskaya Cave, the location 
of supposed sightings of fabled Yetis, known to some as Bigfoot or the 
Abominable Snowman.Read More   
   
 
 
 
 
  
 
 Music Producer Holds Party in Longhorn Cavern 
 
 Posted: 24 Mar 2015 06:00 AM PDT
   
During SXSW, lucky fans of electronic music producer Zedd were picked up in 
limos and taken to Longhorn Cavern for an unforgettable purple themed party.
Read More   
   
 
 
 

  
   


  
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[Texascavers] Congrats to the Man of Steele!

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 From Caving News:


Explorers Club to Award Caver Bill Steele the Citation of Merit 

March 20, 2015 / New York, United States, North America




Bill Steele in Alaska. Photo by Aspen372/Wikimedia Commons



Legendary caver Bill Steele is to be honored at the upcoming 111th Explorers 
Club Annual Dinner this Saturday, March 21st in New York City.


The event, the world’s largest gathering of pioneers of exploration in space, 
in the oceans and on land, will be held at the American Museum of Natural 
History.


Appointed a fellow member of the exclusive club in 1979, Steele will now be 
presented with a Citation of Merit for his efforts exploring many of the 
longest and deepest caves in the USA, Mexico, and China.


Bill is currently co-leading an official National Speleoelogical Society 
project, dubbed Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla (PESH), to explore and 
study Mexico’s Sistema Huautla, which in 2013 became the deepest cave in the 
Western Hemisphere. The 2015 expedition begins next week and is expected to run 
for nearly six weeks.


Besides Steele, prominent astrophysicist and cosmologist Neil deGrasse Tyson

, British explorer David Hempleman-Adams, prominent mountaineer Mandip Singh 
Soin

 will also be presented awards during the evening which will feature specialty 
hors d’oeuvres prepared by famed “Bug Chef” David George Gordon, who will 
highlight sustainable eating practices.


For those that can’t be there, the entire event will be broadcast live on the 
Explorer’s Club website beginning at 6:00pm eastern time.



 

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Re: [Texascavers] New views of Hang Son Doong

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Nice foto and the video is over 6 minutes.  Very cool!

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/watch-stunning-drone-shot-video-of-this-giant-cave-2015-03-18



 

 

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From: Louise Power via Texascavers 
To: texascavers ; swr 
Sent: Wed, Mar 18, 2015 6:09 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] New views of Hang Son Doong


 
This is really amazing. I want to locate to whole video.  
   
  
  
   
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/offbeat/drone-flies-inside-worlds-largest-cave/vi-BBil6Ft
  
  
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Full Ezell's Cave Article

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Danke schön Frau Arens!
 

 

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-Original Message-
From: Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2015 10:31 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Full Ezell's Cave Article


 with all 8 pictures, in one pdf, downloadable from  
  http://www.utexas.edu/courses/arens/EzellesGate.pdf 
  
  
  
  
If you want the original pix, follow the instructions from Kimberly Hartzog’s 
directions and steal them as you ordinarily would 
  
: 
  
   

For free access view just Google: making a good entrance san marcos 
It should be at the top of your search results.
 
There are 8 great photos posted with the article. 
  
  
   

 
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 khart...@peloton-sa.com
 

   
  
 


 
  
   

   
  
 

   
   

 
  
   



   
  
 

   
   

 

 
  
 
  
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  University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320 
  
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Re: [Texascavers] Ezell's cave gating in the news:

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Nice photo.

Unfortunately, I am not a subscriber to the ExpressNews, and therefore cannot 
read the article.

Anyone out there who can send the text to this listserv?

 

 

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From: Jerry via Texascavers 
To: Texascavers 
Sent: Sun, Mar 8, 2015 11:43 pm
Subject: [Texascavers] Ezell's cave gating in the news:


 
Making a good entrance: 
Cavers hope new structure brings a colony back



By Richard A. Marini   

 March 8, 2015

   
   
   
http://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Making-a-good-entrance-6122521.php
  
   
  
   
 
 

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Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock

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Rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock
 

 

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To: Cavetex 
Sent: Fri, Feb 27, 2015 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Mr. Spock


 
Very cool Ernie, thanks for sharing!  
   
  
  
He was a great man and will be missed.  
 
 
  
  
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers
 wrote:   
   
Ernie,
 
   You missed your opportunity to give the Vulcan salute and say, "Live
 long and prosper!"
 
 Mark Minton
 mmin...@caver.net
 
 
  
 On Fri, February 27, 2015 3:23 pm, via Texascavers wrote:  
 > When the movie, "Star Trek-the Motion Picture" was filmed, I as working  
 > for Boss Films, a special effects studio in Los Angeles. There were two  
 > days of fliming close-ups of Mr. Spock, one scene where he had bright  
 > lights flashing at this face. I had been asked if I had any large  
 > flashbulbs they could use for the shoot, and I did. It was the remenants 
 >  
 > of flashbulbs and a reflector I had dragged through some of the caves in 
 >  
 > Cuetzalan, Mexico while doing some cave photography. There was a worry  
 > that some of the bulbs could be cracked, in which case they would explode
 >   
 > when fired, but luckily, none of them did during the several takes it  
 > took to film it. I worked in the darkroon and there was a sliding door  
 > leading to the front office and a hallway. As I opened the door one day, 
 >  
 > I was startled to find Lenard Nimoy leaning against the wall smoking a  
 > cigarette; he was in costume with his pointy ears, and all I could think 
 >  
 > of saying was, "Hi, I understand you are from Boston." How lame, but  
 > still a notable recollection.  
 >  
 >--Ernie Garza  
   
  

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[Texascavers] New Program Comes to NOVA: Sinkholes—Buried Alive

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http://cavingnews.com/20150125-new-program-comes-nova-sinkholes-buried-alive?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+cavingnews+%28Caving+News%29



New Program Comes to NOVA: Sinkholes—Buried Alive

January 25, 2015


Close to the edge of the 100 meter (330 foot) deep sinkhole which formed in 
Guatemala City in 2007. Photo by Eric Heather Haddox/flickr



Sinkholes, the underground menace that can swallow you and your loved ones 
without warning, will be featured in a documentary that premieres on NOVA on 
Wednesday, January 28th.


According to the NOVA’s website, the program will highlight incidents such as 
the 2013 sinkhole in Florida that swallowed Jeffrey Bush as he slept, and the 
massive sinkhole in Assumption Parish, Louisiana that has already swallowed 31 
acres and is still growing.


These worldwide geological hazards, which have swallowed highways, apartment 
buildings, horses, camels, even golfers, lurk wherever limestone and other 
water-soluble rocks underpin the soil.


Containing terrifying eyewitness video of dramatic collapses, and following 
scientists as they explore the underlying forces behind these natural 
disasters, NOVA travels the globe to investigate what it’s like to have your 
world vanish beneath your feet.
Be afraid.





 

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Re: [Texascavers] Alcalde Article

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GREAT JOB, HEATHER!

Congrats to you for reaching out to the editor.  He is clearly a professional, 
and his reporter has learned an excellent  journalism lesson.

Keep up your awesome work on behalf of the caves and their critters.

- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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> On Jan 19, 2015, at 15:33, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's the editor's most recent email to me:
> 
> Dear Heather,
> 
> I have made the changes you noted, and I have added a prominent note up top 
> regarding the salamanders. Allow me to please apologize for the mistakes in 
> this article, and let me thank you for bringing them to our attention. We 
> have brought these inaccuracies to the reporter's attention, and he will be 
> getting a stern talking-to about checking his facts carefully. We take this 
> very seriously, and I regret that we let these errors make it through our 
> process.
> 
> Would you be so good as to check my changes to make sure we are fully in the 
> clear? http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/12/notes-from-the-underground/
> 
> Thank you again for reaching out to me. I hope this corrects the mistakes and 
> avoids any kind of complication for you professionally. If there is any way I 
> can be helpful to you in the future, please let me know.
> 
> Apologetically yours,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 January 2015 at 22:17, Heather Tucek  wrote:
>> The Editor-in-Chief wrote back to me saying how upset he was to hear about 
>> thus, and that he will be fixing it first thing in the morning. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Tucek
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:18 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn't agree with that at all. They may get the dumbest thing you said 
>>> so why say dumb things. Dumb things are what we like to see on TV or read 
>>> about. Dumb is good. I love dumb movies and dumb stories. I thrive on dumb. 
>>> People forget everything minutes later so it doesn't matter much unless you 
>>> are running for emperor of aome such ad for gettng it right I always got it 
>>> right.
>>> 
 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, AC via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 Heather, 
 
 Don't worry about it. The rules for dealing with the media are:
 
 1. They never get it right. 
 
 2. If they quote you, they always pick the stupidest thing you say (or 
 didn't say). 
 
 3. Most people forget the article as soon as they read it. 
 
 Allan
 
 Sent from my iPhone with fat thumbs
 
> On Jan 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow. So glad I took him caving. I mean, how else could I widely spread 
> how ignorant I am about caves. Barton Springs salamanders in Whirlpool 
> Cave? As if! Never did I even mention endangered anything!
> 
> That's the last time I take a reporter caving. Like I need any help 
> putting black marks on my name. Sheesh!
> 
> 
> 
> -Tucek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Sam Young via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This article appeared in the UT Alumni magazine, Alcalde.  ... Sam
>>  
>> http://tinyurl.com/qx6mt8b
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- from julia's cell

Julia G Germany
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Re: [Texascavers] TCMA news

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Ron!

Questions base on:

 


We have already applied for and received a Landowner Incentive Program grant 
but we need more to offset the greatly-discounted $13,000 price tag for the 
construction project. 

 
How much did TCMA receive from the TPWD Landowner Incentive Program?

How much hard cash is still needed?

What is the value of the equipment and services that are being donated?

Knowing this information makes it easier to reach out to potential sponsors 
when you can tell them these things.  

I am thinking, as an example, to reach out to a company that could provide the 
steel.  Your awesome idea of having names/initials engraved into the steel 
could also be offered to the corporate donors. Their names could be on the 
steel, and on the kiosk.

Can't wait to see the Texas Blind Salamander doing the happy dance!

 

Julia G Germany
germa...@aol.com 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ralph via Texascavers 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Fri, Jan 9, 2015 10:45 am
Subject: [Texascavers] TCMA news


  
   

Cavers,   



Ezells Cave Preserve in San Marcos, owned by the Texas Cave Management 
Association, is in need of a new gate.  Many years ago the cave was permanently 
sealed and the small population of Myotis velifer bats was denied access, which 
cut off the nutrient supply for many rare and endangered denizens living in the 
lake below.  Later, the gate was removed and sporadic use by bats was noted by 
visitors.  Later still, a new gate and concrete platform were installed which 
did nothing to enhance bat populations to return, although a few tricolored 
bats (Perimyotis subflavus) have been noted in recent years.  A new gate is 
envisioned that would reopen the window into the aquifer and help restore the 
ecology of the cave.   

So how can you help?

We have already applied for and received a Landowner Incentive Program grant 
but we need more to offset the greatly-discounted $13,000 price tag for the 
construction project.  A lot of the design work and equipment is being donated 
by Jim Kennedy through his business, but we will need additional funds for 
steel and welding supplies. We also need to pay a welder.  Please go to the 
Donate section on our website to pledge today.  For those who wish to donate 
additional funds, we are giving you an opportunity to have your name welded on 
steel.  For every $100 donation, we offer to put your full name on a length of 
steel which will be incorporated into the gate.  Lesser donations may entitle 
you to steel initials.

And we will need many volunteers to need carry steel from the street to the 
cave, lift bars into place, remove the old concrete platform, and clean up the 
site after the work is complete.  We will keep you posted on our construction 
schedule via e-mail and Facebook.

If you wish to donate your time and labor, call Ron Ralph (512-280-0648) or Jim 
Kennedy (512- 663-2287) and you will be added to the volunteer labor sign-up 
sheet.  The Texas Blind Salamander (Eurycea rathbuni) will thank you.

http://www.tcmacaves.org/financial/EzellGate.php
  
 
 

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[Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

 As a member of AGI, I received this press release.  Until now, I have never 
heard of Valley Fever.  I am curious if any of you out there have any 
experience/knowledge about it.

julia

 

germa...@aol.com 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: AGI Public Relations 
To: germanyj 
Sent: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 2:15 pm
Subject: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists


Contact: Megan Sever (mse...@earthmagazine.org)

For Immediate Release

EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists

Alexandria, Va. -  Valley Fever - a sometimes-fatal infection with no known cure
and no vaccine - is caused by a soilborne fungus that thrives in the hot, dry
soils of the southwestern U.S., Mexico and Central and South America. However,
recent reports of infections far outside the endemic area indicate the fungus is
either spreading or becoming active in new areas. The disease is contracted
through inhalation of fungal spores, which can be aerosolized by soil
disturbances from construction, excavation, gardening and landscaping, as well
as natural events like dust storms, earthquakes, landslides and wildfires.
Geoscientists working in the field need to take precautions against contracting
the disease.

Scientists say that little is currently known about the fungus' preferred
geology and how a changing climate might be affecting its spread. Read more
about where the disease has been found, current research on the disease and how
to protect yourself in the field in the September issue of EARTH Magazine:
http://bit.ly/1l1mi21. 

For more stories about the science of our planet, check out EARTH magazine
online or subscribe at www.earthmagazine.org. The September issue, now available
on the digital newsstand, features stories about floating nuclear plants
potentially being safer from tsunamis than land-based plants, natural arsenic
levels exceeding regulatory standards in Ohio, and the new literary genre of
"Cli-Fi," stories about the future of humanity living under an altered climate,
plus much, much more. 

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Keep up to date with the latest happenings in Earth, energy and environment news
with EARTH magazine online at http://www.earthmagazine.org/. Published by the
American Geosciences Institute, EARTH is your source for the science behind the
headlines.

###

The American Geosciences Institute is a nonprofit federation of 49 geoscientific
and professional associations that represents more than 250,000 geologists,
geophysicists and other earth scientists. Founded in 1948, AGI provides
information services to geoscientists, serves as a voice of shared interests in
the profession, plays a major role in strengthening geoscience education, and
strives to increase public awareness of the vital role the geosciences play in
society's use of resources, resiliency to natural hazards, and interaction with
the environment.

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Re: [Texascavers] Cavers helping cavers

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi David!

You might want to consider donating your cave gear now to your local grotto. If 
it's in good shape, they can use it as loaner gear for newbies who have none.

The commemorative items like Mammoth and CaCa would make excellent donations to 
the TCMA for their auction at TCR. The money raised is used for cave 
conservation.

julia germany
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> On Aug 30, 2014, at 16:23, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> If you are paying even $100 a month for your storage unit (which is a really 
> good price), then you are paying $1200 a year.  So the cost of the unit is 
> more than what you say the contents are worth.  In 50 years you will have 
> paid over $60,000.  That is just poor economics.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 4:09 PM, David via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>>   In the background, is a huge storage unit, and unfortunately buried 
>> in there is my caving gear, and about $ 1,000 worth of caver related items.
>> It is my goal that in 50 years, that the usable items here in this unit will 
>> get passed on to a younger caver, but I am afraid the likely scenario is the 
>> stuff will get auctioned off, or thrown away, and probably much sooner than 
>> I am planning for.
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Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

I agree with David. My immediate reaction to Don's post was identical - take 
advantage of the delete key and quit complaining. Glad this same suggestion 
came directly from the victim of your post.

The last thing we need is to annoy our gracious listserv administrator with 
this when he has bigger and more important issues to tackle so that everyone 
gets all posts.

To Charles - you are greatly appreciated and yet underappreciated. I thank you 
for all you do behind the scenes for Texas, NSS, and International cavers to 
have the ability to converse via these forums.

- from julia's cell

Julia Germany
germanyj@the dreaded AOL.com

> On Aug 22, 2014, at 22:42, Don Cooper via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> It's not that I don't care for you.
> I just don't care for all the additional emails.;
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:31 PM, David via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> from David Locklear, so hit Delete Button now.
>> 
>> The funny thing about Don's post, is I consider him one of my best friends, 
>> which gives you an idea how many friends I have.
>> 
>> The solution to Don's predicament is for me to simply change my email name. 
>> 
>> Surely you can see I have drastically cut back on the use of CaveTex, but 
>> that is mostly because I have been swamped doing things indirectly related 
>> to caving.
>> 
>> Today, I found an awesome water-color painting of Luray Caverns in an 
>> antique store near Houston.
>> 
>>https://www.dropbox.com/s/pedrm248j11sqg4/Luray-Caverns.jpg?dl=0
>> 
>> Anybody know the history of this?   I have not found out if it is just a 
>> print, or an original water-color, but assuming just one of a print of 
>> thousands.
>> 
>> 
>> I think most of the cavers who were dissing me last year, are now over it, 
>> and we are still friends.  To the best of my knowledge only one caver is on 
>> my sh*t-list, and nobody I know has heard from him in years.  I would still 
>> go in a non-vertical cave with him though.  I am pretty sure everybody else 
>> accepted my olive-branch, and all the bad vibes are fuzzy memories from the 
>> past.
>> I am still digging thru booty, a retired caver gave me, and found a pair of 
>> grey Jumars.  These will hopefully end up as a door-prize at a caving event, 
>> in the near future. 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> David Locklear
>> Semi-retired from arm-chair caving
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] Santa Fe New Mexican Story on Fort Stanton Cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

I concur about Adobe Flash, however I am a slave to a PC. Since AF upgraded in 
the past year, I have had numerous frustrations with its functionality.  I've 
lost track how many times I have uninstalled and reinstalled it, only to have 
it still crash.  Major frustration.  I am so ready to convert to the Mac!

julia

 

 

 

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From: Diana Tomchick 
To: SWR Cavers Mailing List 
Sent: Sun, Aug 3, 2014 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: [SWR] Santa Fe New Mexican Story on Fort Stanton Cave


Adobe Flash just sucks in general, IMHO. And I use Mac OS.

Diana

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From: SWR [swr-boun...@caver.net] on behalf of Pete Lindsley 
[plindsl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:55 PM
To: Peter Jones; John Lyles
Cc: SWR Cavers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SWR] Santa Fe New Mexican Story on Fort Stanton Cave

Peter, I still can't get it on my desktop Mac along with several other sites. 
So 
far I may have tracked down the problem to Adobe Flash Ver. 14.0.0.145 which 
doesn't play well with Mac OS 10.6.8.  I finally got it to show on my 64-bit 
Win7 PC but it's doing 17 "critical" updates since I turned it on and it is 
totally useless to grab the article for adding to our web site. Apparently this 
last Adobe Flash update has killed several (<30) other websites I have visited 
and after talking with Comcast for 2 hours today it seems like their DNS is 
working properly, but Flash is probably not.

 - Pete

On Aug 3, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Peter Jones wrote:

Now I got it.  Couldn't get it on my iPad, but can on my computer.

Peter



On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Peter Jones wrote:

> all I get from that link is the title of the article, no content.  anyone 
> else 
have that same problem?
>
> Peter Jones
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 7:37 AM, Steve Peerman  wrote:
>>
>> Reporter Staci Matlock interviewed John Lyles for this story.
>>
>> http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/health_and_science/explorers-descend-into-the-depths-of-fort-stanton-cave-to/article_ba2585ef-1214-56f4-9923-79274aaba4b2.html
>>
>> Steve Peerman
>>
>>  "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
>>  attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave

[Julia Germany via Texascavers]

Hi Alex!

What's up?!

Love the pic.  When was it taken?  Do you when and why the cave was gated?

And, yes, I would like a higher res foto, assuming AOL will allow it :)

Auf Wiedersehen!
julia

 

 

 

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From: Alex Sproul via Texascavers 
To: Texascavers ; swr 
Cc: cjr4747 
Sent: Sun, Jul 27, 2014 11:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] BLM reopens Wyoming's Natural Trap Cave



Here's a shot of Barry and the gate over Natural Trap.


I'm having to really shrink these to meet the list's attachment size. If anyone 
wants the full-res images (1 to 4 MB), just mail me.


Alex
  


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