Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

2016-09-01 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
So Fritz what would you like to know about me?Karen


  From: Fritz Holt via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
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 Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2016 3:12 PM
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I don't know Karen Perry but would like to read a short bio on who and where 
she is.Fritz Holtfritztcr@gmail.comAn old 50's and 60's spelunker. 

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On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Karen Perry via Texascavers 
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The entire incident is recorded in detailed time log, complete with newspaper 
articles in the November 1971 Texas Caver.The boys that drowned were Chris 
Cleveland 18, and Bruce Stone 17, both from Houston, Texas.
Yep, I still have some caving stuff like early Texas Cavers. By the way, does 
anyone have a copy of the Paleo inventory from Inner Space cavers pre 1974 that 
list the Homo Sapien tooth? By 1974 it hafd been removed due to religious 
outcry so to avoid controversy the owners/ board decided to simply remove the 
tooth from the inventory log.

Later,
Karen Perry


  From: Charles Loving via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
 To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
  
A couple of people, scouts I think, swam the wrong way in the syphon and 
drowned. It was back when I was caving a lot. Raines and I swam the syphon with 
a Rayovac flashlight and two canteen belts latched together. The flashlight 
lasted just long enough for us to get back out. Really dumb.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:53 PM, David via Texascavers 
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I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.I have heard they are 
under water.
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Re: [Texascavers] New Restoration projects at Carlsbad Caverns starting soon

2016-08-31 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
The Park has had its good times and the bad. Its recovering from BAD! The new 
Resource person  is a hoot and howler to work with. And he is more caver 
friendly that the last bunch. There are 50 back country caves that have never 
been surveyed and he wants to get that done. And maybe even resurvey some that 
were done but never checked or completed. So folks with the right skill levels 
can come have an adventure in being in caves that have had virtually no 
visitation of any kind.

Stan Allison's old job is being posted to the public to widen the search for 
the perfect person. He wants some one with survey/cartography skills, WNS 
knowledge, has inventory logging archival knowledge, can cave fast, works well 
with people and maybe even has SAR skill.
Its good to be back in the caves!
Karen

  From: Charles Loving via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
 To: Cavers Texas <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 7:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Restoration projects at Carlsbad Caverns 
starting soon
   
Kren Perry
Worked with Ron Bridgeman on a project there a decade ago or more. Mapped lake 
of the clouds and Spider Cave and went to Lechguilla. It was a real blast and 
felt like we were accomplishing things worthwhile. Liked the folks and the 
cavers on those trips.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Karen Perry via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

You know that saying...'I'm baaack!' Well I am happy to report I am shouting it 
loud.After a long time away from anything caving or even related to caves, I 
have returned to the Cave Resource Department at Carlsbad Caverns and am 
planing several  projects that will start in September. If you would like to 
join in on the fun please email me for details.
The Mirror Lake Lady has returned.Karen Perry

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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

2016-08-31 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
The entire incident is recorded in detailed time log, complete with newspaper 
articles in the November 1971 Texas Caver.The boys that drowned were Chris 
Cleveland 18, and Bruce Stone 17, both from Houston, Texas.
Yep, I still have some caving stuff like early Texas Cavers. By the way, does 
anyone have a copy of the Paleo inventory from Inner Space cavers pre 1974 that 
list the Homo Sapien tooth? By 1974 it hafd been removed due to religious 
outcry so to avoid controversy the owners/ board decided to simply remove the 
tooth from the inventory log.

Later,
Karen Perry


  From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 To: Cavers Texas  
 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 10:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
   
A couple of people, scouts I think, swam the wrong way in the syphon and 
drowned. It was back when I was caving a lot. Raines and I swam the syphon with 
a Rayovac flashlight and two canteen belts latched together. The flashlight 
lasted just long enough for us to get back out. Really dumb.
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:53 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I have always wanted to see a map of the dived passages.I have heard they are 
under water.
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[Texascavers] New Restoration projects at Carlsbad Caverns starting soon

2016-08-26 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
You know that saying...'I'm baaack!' Well I am happy to report I am shouting it 
loud.After a long time away from anything caving or even related to caves, I 
have returned to the Cave Resource Department at Carlsbad Caverns and am 
planing several  projects that will start in September. If you would like to 
join in on the fun please email me for details.
The Mirror Lake Lady has returned.Karen Perry
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Re: [Texascavers] historic posting

2015-10-14 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
Granted I am not caving any more but this overly secret concept of hiding cave 
locations in the caver community has never made sense to me. I think you should 
share your  files. They are a part of caver history and need to become a part 
of the record for future generations. Too much has already been lost due to out 
dated, needless, paranoid mindsets.
Just my 2 cents,Karen Perry
  From: Greg Passmore via Texascavers 
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 Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 8:28 AM
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Many years ago I made 25 copies of a bunch of cave maps from my files and sold 
them to fellow cavers for exactly my copying costs (100 pages for $5). For this 
I got yelled at for years, was given an award for the worst behaving caver, and 
I was accused of copyright violations.  All that over a handful of cave maps 
lost in old files. This censorship has helped keep new Texas cavers in the dark 
about all the great caves that have been lost or forgotten in this state.  It 
has also been instrumental in the decision not to release my cave files (even 
to the TSS), which account for over 16 file drawers of cave locations, maps, 
photos and articles. 

I would like to get all this stuff out for the next generation of cavers, but I 
am very cautious since the dying generation of cavers responsible for this 
nonsense are still (barely) around.  

(rant over)

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you are on Facebook, another good place is the Texas Speleological Survey 
> page. You can even start your own photo album there. 
> 
> Jim Kennedy
> TSS office manager
> 
> Mobile email from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Sure, why not. Be interesting to see what you have.
>> 
>> Jerry.
>> jerryat...@aol.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 8:03 AM, Greg Passmore via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have  bunch of historic caving articles, photos, etc.  Is this list an 
>>> appropriate place to post these or should we start up a texas caving 
>>> history list?
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Re: [Texascavers] historic posting

2015-10-14 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
I did state caver meaning within the cave community and not general public. As 
we all know TSS files are open with proper paper work and request. Landowner 
rights should be protected yes. But so should caver rights. This has always 
been a touchy subject and most likely will be for years to come. There are many 
valid arguments on both sides of the coin. I just don't wish to see valuable 
records being lost to future generations of dedicated cavers, which I fear 
might happen if we are not careful in preserving these documents now.Karen


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Re: [Texascavers] Blair Pittman news

2015-04-15 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
Where is Blair in El  Paso  can he have visitors?Karen

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Cc: Cave NM s...@caver.net; Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com; TAG Net 
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Well, I think that's good news. --Ediger


On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 12:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

Blair Pittman newsLong-time Texas Caver
 From the Terlingua Moon: 4/14/2015 Blair Pittman, who recently suffered a 
stroke, “is doing pretty darn well,” according to his wife, Jean Hardy-Pittman.
 The former long-time resident of Terlingua, who now lives in Alpine, and 
author of the popular “Tales From the Terlingua Porch” books will be in 
intensive rehab therapies in El Paso for some time, she said.
 But “he is very lucky,” Jean added.
 “His stroke was a hemorrhage, not a clot (embolism), and though it was a large 
bleed area,” she said last week, “it did not get into the ventricles which 
would have potentially caused much more damage.”
 And she was optimistic: “He might come out of this stronger than before.”  
Written by Carl Leatherwood.Thank you, Carl. 


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Re: [Texascavers] Blair Pittman news

2015-04-14 Thread Karen Perry via Texascavers 
Where in El Paso is Blair being treated and how long will he be there?Karen

  From: mark gee via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
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Met the  man at his home  in Terlingua and took him a copy of his story in a 
1974 National Goegraphic. about east texas plants and things. Was and is still 
is a very interesting man to spend some time with. He showed me the Terlingua 
Sink hOLE and took me and my x wife into the mine near his home. Met a friend 
of his from Houston who was also a writer. Cant remember his name.  


 On Tuesday, April 14, 2015 1:22 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
   

 Thanks for passing along the good news, Dwight.
  Logan McNatt
  lmcn...@austin.rr.com

On 4/14/2015 1:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
 Blair Pittman news

 Long-time Texas Caver

  From the Terlingua Moon: 4/14/2015

 Blair Pittman, who recently suffered a stroke, “is doing pretty darn
 well,” according to his wife, Jean Hardy-Pittman.
 The former long-time resident of Terlingua, who now lives in Alpine, and
 author of the popular “Tales From the Terlingua Porch” books will be in
 intensive rehab therapies in El Paso for some time, she said.


 But “he is very lucky,” Jean added.


 “His stroke was a hemorrhage, not a clot (embolism), and though it was a
 large bleed area,” she said last week, “it did not get into the
 ventricles which would have potentially caused much more damage.”


 And she was optimistic: “He might come out of this stronger than before.”

 Written by Carl Leatherwood.

 Thank you, Carl.

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