Re: [NMCAVER] portable UAV for cave locating
Tom Harper of the Camino Real Trails Association uses a former radio-controlled plane in the same way - but it's not radio controlled - it's programmed with a small on-board computer to take off, go out and photo and GPS suspect trail areas - and can transmit the data back - monitor battery supply, return and land at takeoff site. Basically does the same as the Scout, including errors adjustments and wind compensation. The human just programs it and starts the engine. Cost about $1,200 but I forwarded the aeryon Scout link on to him too. John Lyles jtml@losalamos.c omTo Sent by: nmca...@caver.net nmcaver-bounces@c cc aver.net Subject [NMCAVER] portable UAV for cave 09/17/2010 09:22 locating AM Please respond to j...@vla.com Scout UAV, just what we need to discover cave entrances in New Mexico. Includes thermal imaging and real time HD video. Fits in a suitcase... http://www.aeryon.com/products/avs.html jtml ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] National Public Lands Day at Fort Stanton Cave
This coming Saturday 9/25/2010 will be National Public Lands Day and for Fort Stanton Cave we'll be doing some restoration work in the Lake Room area. Any SWR cavers in attendance, in addition to Lake Room work, I'd also like to send a team back to Wheeler Hall to begin work where the 1877 Wheeler Expedition and 1891 Great Divide Expedition signatures are located. We'll meet at the cave entrance at 8:30 AM for registration, safety briefing, pass out Tshirts, etc. Mike Mike Bilbo Fort Stanton-Snowy River Cave National Conservation Area Cave Program Manager/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov Ft. Stanton Cave NCA 575-354-5034 BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 Roswell Fax 575-627-0276 http://www.nm.blm.gov ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] On the lighter side-a Klingon Cave talk......
So much for the Star Trek adventure in Vegas... - Original Message - From: Carl Pagano [pagan...@comcast.net] Sent: 07/27/2010 08:18 PM CST To: nmcaver list nmca...@caver.net Subject: [NMCAVER] On the lighter side-a Klingon Cave talk.. Australian caves offer new tour — in Klingon Jenolan Caves first immortalized in the Next Generation episode 'Relics' photos  AFP - Getty Images Awesome Australia by Belinda Goldsmith  updated 7/27/2010 10:22:32 AM ET Share Print Font: + - SYDNEY — Staff at the Jenolan Caves west of Sydney have added a new out-of-this-world attraction — a tour in the Star Trek language Klingon. Currently a self-guided audio tour at the caves in the Blue Mountains is offered in eight languages, but staff came up with the idea of adding the fictional language Klingon as the caves did once feature in the popular TV series. In the Star Trek universe, Jenolan Caves was first immortalized in the Next Generation episode 'Relics,' through the naming of a 'Sydney Class' Starship — the USS Jenolan, the Jenolan Caves Reserve Trust said in a statement. Now, this relationship will be developed further, when Jenolan Caves adds the language of Star Trek's great warrior race to a tour of their most popular cave. The Jenolan cave system, located about 109 miles west of Sydney, is enormous with over 40 25 miles of passages and incorporating caves, underground rivers and natural archways. The Klingon tour has been set up for the Nettle Cave, which attracts up to 200,000 visitors a year, and will start on August 22. Jenolan Caves guide Gordon Mills said Klingon language experts Michael Roney Jr and Tracy Canfield earlier this month flew in from the United States to record the audio tour. We wanted to do something a bit obscure and we will now be the first tourist attraction on this planet at least to have a Klingon tour, Mills, a self-described Star Trek enthusiast, told Reuters. There is a fantasy side to caves and a timeless nature, rather like Star Trek, so we thought this was fitting. Copyright 2010 Reuters. Click for restrictions. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Geronimo's Cave entrance was blasted!
Is the cave on BLM-managed public land? - Original Message - From: Michael Lorimer [mi...@fastwave.biz] Sent: 07/12/2010 06:13 PM CST To: nmca...@caver.net; oswaldo_go...@nm.blm.gov Subject: [NMCAVER] Geronimo's Cave entrance was blasted! Geronimo's cave is a small cave in the Robledo Mountains in Dona Ana County, New Mexico. Still it is the second longest (and maybe the largest cave) in the county. The story as I heard it, is that about a year (or more) ago, there was a great bang that came for the entrance of the cave. The person telling me the story said that a friend of hers heard the bang and looked up and saw a great cloud of dust and debris at the entrance of the cave. She said that the people who went up to the cave said that there was a crack that came from the entrance and went down to the river (possibly an erosion scar). The cave entrance was still open. Apparently according to the story that was told to me, one Leewayne Preece tried to blast the entrance shut because he was tired of people crossing his land to access the cave. There is a northernly access to the cave through what I believe is a locked gate (which according to the records of the Dona Ana Assessor's office cross the edge of Preece's land). There is another easterly access via crossing the Rio Grande that goes through BLM land and International Boundary Commission land ( a winter route when the river is low). I have cc'ed the BLM and they should take this matter very seriously as cave rescources in Dona Ana county are rare. Mike Lorimer Fort Selden, New Mexico ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] TPIA for Jim Cox
It is my honor to announce that Jim Cox has won the national Take Pride in America award in the individual category. It is because of his selfless service, and exhaustive and spectacular work effort that he gets this long-overdue recognition. I'd like to share with you the main parts of the nomination: Type of Activity - Please select primary event/ project purpose: Education/ Interpretation Outreach Research/ Monitoring/ Studies Construction (Example: Trails/ Pathways; Fences; Signs) Volunteer Information - Total number of event/ project volunteers: 1 nominee; 65-85 other cave program volunteers helping Total event/project hours for award year: 856 Community or Partner References - Please list three contacts, with phone numbers, who are familiar with the history and success of the event/ project. 1. Name:John Corcoran III, Director Organization: Fort Stanton Cave Study Project 2. Name:John McLean, Hydrologist Organization: Retired, U.S. Geological Survey 3. Name:Deborah Buecher, Bat Biologist Organization: Private consultant Project Summary - Jim has been a major participant in cave exploration projects throughout New Mexico for years, including playing an important role in the discovery, documentation, and exploration of the world-class features of the Snowy River section in the Fort Stanton Cave system. Jim’s work has significantly contributed to the protection and enhancement of America’s public lands. Snowy River Discovery In September, 2001, a team of cavers made an amazing discovery of the Snowy River Passage in Fort Stanton Cave National Natural Landmark, at 15 miles, New Mexico’s third longest cave. The 4-mile-long Snowy River calcite floor deposit is considered the longest cave formation in the world. As a result of that discovery and intensive exploration, mapping scientific research by the caving community, Congress designated the cave and surrounding BLM-managed public lands as the Fort Stanton-Snowy River Cave National Conservation Area. Because he was already intensely involved with the Roswell Field Office as a Cave Program volunteer, Jim Cox immediately began assisting BLM and a Cave Program volunteer group, Fort Stanton Cave Study Project (FSCSP), to the great benefit of the resource, BLM managers and the public. Access to Snowy River had to be changed from a dangerous crawlway to an alternate safe route, which was developed by the Cave Program volunteer workforce in coordination with BLM. The project location is Don Sawyer Memorial Hall, a known area situated 50 feet above an extension of the Snowy River Passage. The safe route design called for a stabilizing structure constructed from stainless steel and high-density polyethylene (HDPE) plastic. During the past year at his own expense and an incredible amount of time, Jim Cox, has welded 2,500 pounds of stainless steel angle iron into 38-pound frames, directed and participated in the packaging of over two tons of concrete into packable 10-pound loads, and then joined with FSCSP to haul the steel and concrete materials 1 mile into the cave. Next, Jim actively participated with the rest of the team to construct the facility. The concrete was used as a grout between cave walls and the safe route structure walls. That work continues. Videography In addition to the safe route structure project, Jim has also spent much of his free time doing project-related video documentation of cave resources. Since the 2001 discovery, Jim has spent dozens of trips into Fort Stanton – Snowy River Cave NCA (at least 300 hours underground). He has spent about 2,000 hours after work and on weekends editing video data, adding documentation, commentary, and music into documentary videos. Half a dozen hour-long videos plus an equal number of shorter documentation videos on various subjects. Jim readily passes CDs and DVDs out to BLM management, cavers and the public at his own expense. For public interpretation, BLM recently added one of his video-documentation efforts the Roswell Field Office website - http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/roswell/fort_stanton_nca/snowy_river/snowy_river__how_did.html A similar version was posted in the public access section of the Fort Stanton Cave Study Project’s new website - http://fscsp.org Through Jim’s videography work and publication on the Roswell Field Office website, Jim helps to instill in the public appreciation for and awareness of federally-managed natural resources. Jim’s determination and undying enthusiasm has afforded far better opportunities to add to the growing body of knowledge on Fort Stanton Cave speleogenesis. His work and reports to BLM are detailed and highly professional and reflect his dedication to our preservation effort and understanding of Fort Stanton-Snowy River Cave National Conservation Area. Project Impact. Summarize the impact and benefits of this project/ activity on the event site, natural
Re: [NMCAVER] WNS and NM Convention
The discussion might be moot with WNS staring us right in our faces. Would be good to see how WNS Vermont conducts convention and what works or not. I believe I saw someones' recent statement in this discussion questioning the efficiency of the decon solution - Lysol and 409 have been tested on WNS and found to be effective. What might be a problem is washing clothes - it's supposed to be really hot (can't remember the temp) and may ruin some fabrics. Best to wash in machine and not use the dryer but instead put out to dry in sunlight. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Formation Mining in Wheeler Hall (Grrrrr!)
Last Stanton Expedition we had a science trip to Wheeler Hall (beyond Hell Hole Gate) and found evidence of relatively recent formation mining - looks like within the past two or three seasons by recreational parties. To stop this, from now on, recreational trips beyond Hell Hole by persons with whom we are not familiar are limited to 5 persons and #6 must either be an NSS or CRF member whom BLM Pecos District knows and who knows about the other side of Hell Hole Gate. I'll supply requesting parties with SWR grotto and CRF contact numbers but if requesters can't secure help from cavers whom we know, who know beyond Hell Hole, then recreationists don't go. Hate to do this but we're faced with certain persons who just don't get it. If you thus become the guide for a recreational Hell Hole trip, I'd like you to lay on cave ethics and minimum impact. Also, I'll schedule for you a Leave No Trace Trainers Course or two, which will help. Taking that training, you become a certified Leave No Trace Trainer. It's a 2-day course and we'll do it at Stanton, although I am going to conduct one June 26-27 near Albuquerque, probably the Sandias. Mike Mike Bilbo Fort Stanton-Snowy River Cave National Conservation Area Cave Program Manager/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov Ft. Stanton Cave NCA 575-354-5034 BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 Roswell Fax 575-627-0276 http://www.nm.blm.gov ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip
I'll bring to Pinon Cave campsite an expanded Decon field version we use at Torgac's. I plan to arrive Friday afternoon. System is six 5-gallon buckets, ie two separate decon setups to accomodate everyone: bucket #1 intial wash, bucket#2 Lysol dip (1 oz per gallon of water), bucket #3 rinse. I'm not using the bleach method as it destroys stretchables and certain fabrics. I'll also be bringing some BLM loaner gear, knee pads, gloves, helmets, headlamps, cave packs. Clean clothes and gear also applies to anyone headed out to ridgewalk in case you end up surveying or documenting something - although a find should be GPSed, entrance photoed with landmarks, and then return to camp to coordinate with SWR leaders/USFS.. - Original Message - From: Ken Harrington [ken_harring...@hotmail.com] Sent: 05/20/2010 04:43 PM CST To: NM Cavers nmca...@caver.net Subject: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip Hi all, For those of you planning on going to Pinon Cave to help with the surveying and mapping efforts over the Memorial Day Weekend; Please plan on arriving with clean caving clothing and decontaminated equipment. Also plan to decontaminate all you equipment after being in the cave. This cave has an active bat colony. Quentin Hays from BCI will be going into the cave with us to determine the species of the bats, an estimate of the size of the colony and to determine if the cave is a nursery or a hibernation location. We will also be accompanied to the cave entrance by a Forest Service biologist, Patrick Mercer to observe us. Decon procedures to use should be those used at Fort Stanton at the last Fort Stanton expidition. For those of you not familiar with the procedures, contact Mike @ mike_bi...@blm.gov. If you have any questions, please contact me at ken_harring...@hotmail.com Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip
The decon procedure also has you plastic bagging your cave clothes, wiping exposed skin - cameras - glasses - other sensitive items that need to stay out of water - with anti-bacterial wipes that I will supply, and then putting on fresh clothes . The decon is to prepare for the next cave you go to, so the decon stations are for you to get your gear ready for any subsequent trips that weekend or someplace else later. The Lysol dip and sun drying is the actual decon. Your bagged clothes are taken home to wash and I suggest outside clothesline for dry. The loaner gear is in the event we get anyone east of Tejas and etc. - Original Message - From: Ken Harrington [ken_harring...@hotmail.com] Sent: 05/20/2010 04:43 PM CST To: NM Cavers nmca...@caver.net Subject: [NMCAVER] Pinon Cave Trip Hi all, For those of you planning on going to Pinon Cave to help with the surveying and mapping efforts over the Memorial Day Weekend; Please plan on arriving with clean caving clothing and decontaminated equipment. Also plan to decontaminate all you equipment after being in the cave. This cave has an active bat colony. Quentin Hays from BCI will be going into the cave with us to determine the species of the bats, an estimate of the size of the colony and to determine if the cave is a nursery or a hibernation location. We will also be accompanied to the cave entrance by a Forest Service biologist, Patrick Mercer to observe us. Decon procedures to use should be those used at Fort Stanton at the last Fort Stanton expidition. For those of you not familiar with the procedures, contact Mike @ mike_bi...@blm.gov. If you have any questions, please contact me at ken_harring...@hotmail.com Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Fwd: [MOCAVES] WNS fungus found in gray bats, Shannon Co., MO
Actually, less than one state away - it's kind of only the Panhandle away - not that far. Mike Bilbo Fort Stanton-Snowy River Cave National Conservation Area Cave Program Manager/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov Ft. Stanton Cave NCA 575-354-5034 BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 Roswell Fax 575-627-0276 http://www.nm.blm.gov Lee H. Skinner skinner@thuntek. net To Sent by: John J Corcoran III nmcaver-bounces@c john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com aver.net cc 'Texas Cavers List' Texascavers@texascavers.com, 05/17/2010 09:05 'New Mexico Caver Mailing List' PMnmca...@caver.net, 'Pete Lindsley' caverp...@gmail.com Subject Re: [NMCAVER] Fwd: [MOCAVES] WNS fungus found in gray bats, Shannon Co., MO ... WNS was found in Western Oklahoma on a Cave Myotis. Now just one state awaysigh. Lee Skinner ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] WNS and what to do when it reaches NM
That non-convention NM arguement is interesting. By now you have probably heard that WNS is confirmed in western Oklahoma - not far, therefore, from New Mexico. And if it's coming in at that latitue, it means hibernation sites for sure at this end and way sooner than anticipated. It also means it's not relatively farfrom a number of other western states. It's really bad news. Meanwhile on decon efforts, everyone needs to step up efforts and try to influence others throughout the west - do all we can at the human end. - Original Message - From: Carl Pagano [pagan...@comcast.net] Sent: 05/18/2010 10:51 AM CST To: nmcaver list nmca...@caver.net Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] WNS and what to do when it reaches NM Unfortunately, WNS is a primary reason why conventions shouldn't be held in the West, specifically in New Mexico at this time or anytime in the near future. It seems bad enough to go back east and have to decontaminate before caving again here. How about worrying about hundreds of cavers, all at once, out here? Think about it before the presentation is offered in Vermont for a New Mexico convention. All it will take are acts of carelessness of unwashed gear in the right place at the right time. This also includes clothing, hair, and the dirt impregnated in your boots, gloves, helmet AND light, as well as ANYTHING that that gear has touched before being washed, including the plastic tote you threw it in, which also must be decontaminated before you put the clean stuff back in. This also includes the film of dirt in the carpet in your vehicle where you thew the tote and it has now touched. The vehicle must also be decontaminated where the dirty tote is placed, or the spores will get on the tote, which gets on the clean gear, etc. Multiply this by hundreds of cavers, not all supervised or versed as to sterile or decontamination techniques. It's not just about washing your hands. My understanding is that if the fungus is spread by spores, washing with soap and water is the only way to get rid of them. Germicides don't always work, or work as well. That's why the organism forms spores, for survival. Cavers may not be the root cause of the spread of WNS, but they COULD BE AN ACCELERANT of it. IS IT WORTH THE RISK? Is a convention here in New Mexico a good idea right now? Perhaps not. It would be for the best possible and UNSELFISH of all reasons: the limiting of the spread of WNS, if the convention bid were withdrawn at present. Think about this hard folks. Think about it at the regional for orderly discussion as to the bid. Think about what Mr. Lyles wrote below. There is a stinging truth to it. (Yes, I tried, but could not avoid contracting Curmudgeon's disease. Probably got it from Belski). See you in a few weeks. Carl Pagano On May 17, 2010, at 9:42 PM, John Lyles wrote: Be prepared! Learn a new pastime besides caving: something on the surface, boating, knitting, skiing, hiking, backpacking, ham radio, writing, traveling, cooking, drinking. Just think, you'll be able to save up vacation while working again! WNS will get here, bats aren't going to stop at state borders. Meanwhile, as my old grotto Commander Cody Caving Club sez, Cave 'til you Puke! jtml Cavers can continue to help by continuing to decon between caving regions and especially known bat caves, not disturbing hibernating bats, and reporting any unusual bats to their local FWS. In general, bats out west are even less studied than bats out east. If you know of a significant hibernaculum, make sure it is protected (tell your friends not to go there in winter), and monitored. We are more spread out here out west, so knowledge of hibernating bats may not be as well communicated. keep your hopes up, Jennifer ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Any lava caves near Fort Stanton?
David, we do have some small lava tubes you can visit while here - they are about 40-45 miles west in the Carrizozo Lava Flow near a vent called Little Black Peak. It's also BLM-managed public land. - Original Message - From: David Caudle [cav...@bellsouth.net] Sent: 04/21/2010 08:48 AM EST To: nmca...@caver.net Subject: [NMCAVER] Any lava caves near Fort Stanton? A small ! group of us are coming from TAG to help at Fort Stanton cave on May 1. We were wondering if we might get into a lava cave while in the vicinty? We'd travel 50 or so miles, or more if it is to the east on our way out or back. The only NM lava caves I'm aware of are in northwest New Mexico. David Caudle ( who knows the caves of Alabama a little bit) ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] WINS in Missouri
Thanks. And yikes - not good... that's basically two and a half states away from here. Everyone really needs to focus in on decon - at least do what we can on the human side of it. Mike Bilbo Fort Stanton-Snowy River Cave National Conservation Area Cave Program Manager/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov Ft. Stanton Cave NCA 575-354-5034 BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 Roswell Fax 575-627-0276 http://www.nm.blm.gov Pete Lindsley caverpete@gmail. com To Sent by: Texas Cavers List nmcaver-bounces@c Texascavers@texascavers.com, New aver.net Mexico Caver Mailing List nmca...@caver.net cc 04/19/2010 12:23 PMSubject [NMCAVER] WINS in Missouri From the MO cave list: http://mdc.mo.gov/nathis/caves/ ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Fw: [greeningman-list] Researchers Develop Urea Electrolysis for Conversion of Urine to Hydrogen
Interesting stuff from my Burning Man buddies at the Alternative Energy Zone (AEZ) camp. Maybe there's some caving applications in all this. Mike Bilbo - Forwarded by Mike Bilbo/RFO/NM/BLM/DOI on 10/28/2009 09:57 AM - Daniel Sent by: greeningman-list- To bounces@burningma 'dave x' n.com cc greeningman-l...@burningman.com Subject 07/06/2009 04:52 [greeningman-list] Researchers PMDevelop Urea Electrolysis for Conversion of Urine to Hydrogen Or in a similar vein you can use Urine to produce Hydrogen at greater efficiencies than with water: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2009/07/urea-20090703.html -Original Message- From: greeningman-list-boun...@burningman.com [mailto:greeningman-list-boun...@burningman.com] On Behalf Of dave x Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:32 PM To: Jim mason Cc: Greening Man List; Eric Brooks Subject: Re: [greeningman-list] Biodiesel Bio-Char et al. Urine-based fuel cell: Yes, you can turn pee into power and not just by turning a turbine after a few beers. First subject urea to enzymatic hydrolysis to make carbon dioxide and ammonia, and then oxidize the ammonia to nitrogen and water. But the center notes that one problem with the system is the need for alkaline conditions that may require transport of sodium hydroxide, a hazardous compound. Also, to achieve power generation in the range of 0.5 - 1W, a system to concentrate the breakdown products of urea, such as reverse osmosis, will be necessary. But for astronauts and soldiers on the run, one attractive feature of this fuel cell concept is the production of water as a by-product of the system. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/body_power_011128-1.html http://www.goodcleantech.com/2008/04/h2_converter_turns_urine_into.php ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] FSC - Geology in Action
Heads up to anyone going into Fort Stanton Cave between now and hibernation closure November 1. About 500 pounds of rock came off the ceiling in the steep trail area just before Shepherd's Hut. Paul Dunlap and others have pushed it aside. Geology in action... Mike Bilbo Cave Program Manager Fort Stanton National Conservation Area Cave Program Manager Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov Ft. Stanton Cave NCA 575-354-5034 BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 Roswell Fax 575-627-0276 http://www.nm.blm.gov ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Underground Inn
Hmmm, might be a place for a regional one of these days... Mike Jim Evatt nmcaver@comcast. net To Sent by: nmca...@caver.net nmcaver-bounces@c cc aver.net Subject [NMCAVER] Underground Inn 08/15/2009 07:19 AM I've lived here in NM most of my life and never knew about this unique BB! Have a look: http://www.bbonline.com/nm/kokopelli/ Jim ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Do you need a ride to ICS?
If you need a ride to Convention/ICS - I could use two more passengers/relief drivers. Have one rider now, Laura Rosales. We will be leaving from the Fort Stanton BLM Bunkhouse on July 18 and returning day after Convention/ICS is over. Reply by email or call my cell or NCA phone below. Mike Bilbo Fort Stanton Cave National Conservation Area, Cave Program Manager/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Ft. Stanton Cave NCA Phone/Fax 575-354-5034 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 Roswell Fax 575-627-0276 http://www.nm.blm.gov ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Fw: White Nose Syndrome video link
I'm not sure if this was already sent out, so apologies if it was and I missed it. Ravenswood Media, US Forest Service and US Fish Wildlife have produced a short video on White Nose Syndrome, The Battle For Bats. It can be viewed and downloaded at www.cavebiota.com Please share the link with others. Thanks. Dave David McGowan Ravenswood Media, Inc. 410 S. Michigan Ave., #934 Chicago, IL 60605 (312)356-9099 www.ravenswoodmedia.com ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Candalaria Ice and Ft. Stanton Pics
Great photos!!! Mike Bilbo Cave Program Manager BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov BLM Cell: 575-420-7121 Roswell Desk 575-627-0222 http://www.nm.blm.gov Aaron Birenboim ca...@boim.com Sent by: To nmcaver-bounces@c memb...@sandiagrotto.org, aver.net nmca...@caver.net cc 05/28/2009 08:16 Subject AM[NMCAVER] Candalaria Ice and Ft. Stanton Pics My (few) pictures of Candalaria Ice and Ft. Stanton (SWR) trips are at: http://birenboim.com/tmp/0905cave/ The somewhat significant photos have been given descriptive names. If you have a lot of time, feel free to download the original-named photos, but they are the ones that I don't feel are worth keeping. aaron ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Fort Stanton /Snowy River Cave
Rats - but I was enroute to the Western bat Working Group biennial meeting in Austin, where we got the low down on WNS. Indeed, it is very serious and we (people in the trenches) and Westerners have lots of work to do to keep it at bay. And many thanks to Mark Minton for keeping WNS in the forefront via nmca...@caver.net. Mike Bilbo Cave Specialist/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Coordinator Roswell Field Office 2909 West 2nd Roswell, New Mexico 88201 mike_bi...@blm.gov, Desk 575-627-0222 http://www.nm.blm.gov/recreation/roswell/roswell_rec_home.htm John Corcoran John_J_Corcoran_ i...@msn.com To Sent by: nmca...@caver.net nmcaver-bounces@c cc aver.net Subject [NMCAVER] Fort Stanton /Snowy River 04/15/2009 02:39 Cave PM All, This invitation was just announced today. If you can make this celebration at the New Mexico Museum of Natural History, please come! Regards, John [attachment invitation.pdf] ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] 100 uses of Seamgrip
It's a good thing no one told you about WD 40. Trust me, you don't wanna know. jen . bigredfoote@hotm ail.com To Sent by: matari...@frontiernet.net, nmcaver-bounces@c jonbroh...@yahoo.com aver.net cc jhunder...@bayfield.k12.co.us, c...@fargate.net, 03/06/2009 02:11 caveandletc...@yahoo.com, nmcaver PMnmca...@caver.net, caverf...@yahoo.com, pxmo...@hotmail.com, rand...@gmail.com Subject Re: [NMCAVER] 100 uses of Seamgrip yeah, what would we do if men stopped fixing things? The recent male caver visitor I had from out east looked at me like I was crazy when I mentioned JB Weld. now I know its just a conspiracy and he wasn't dumb. argh, really I'll get back to packing and start driving soon Jon and Janae :) Jen Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:46:59 + From: matari...@frontiernet.net To: jonbroh...@yahoo.com CC: caveandletc...@yahoo.com; jhunder...@bayfield.k12.co.us; c...@fargate.net; caverf...@yahoo.com; nmca...@caver.net; pxmo...@hotmail.com; rand...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] 100 uses of Seamgrip Jon, I am very concerned about you sharing secret male secret secrets with non-males. I believe we may have to call a tribunal. Ladies--please ignore Jon's demented blatherings about duct tape and bailing wire. These products are have no use outside of taping ducts or bailing hay. And there is no such thing as JB Weld, if he ever mentions that, either. It's a myth. These are all the ravings of a deranged mind. Just remember that men are simply better at fixing things, that's all. Jon, we'll deal with you later. - Original Message - From: Jon Broholm jonbroh...@yahoo.com To: nmca...@caver.net, Richard Bohman rbohm...@cox.net, Ryan Gosciejew caveandletc...@yahoo.com, paul mozal pxmo...@hotmail.com, Randy Macan rand...@gmail.com, Carrie Finn caverf...@yahoo.com, Cordell Brown c...@fargate.net, Janae Hunderman jhunder...@bayfield.k12.co.us, Scott Nicolay matari...@frontiernet.net Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 9:36:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: 100 uses of Seamgrip 100 uses of Seamgrip, the old caver standby. If it does all the things that this says, it should be in the same class as duct tape and bailing wire. http://mcnett.baron-co.com/images/editor/100Uses.pdf - Jon Broholm ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. Check it out.___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Thanks for a Really Great Winter Tech
PBSS: Great meeting, great presentations, and a great feast too - PBSS did a real nice job putting it together! The Nature Center was a great place to have the meeting - very nice exhibits and nature trails (I even got a chance to visit a quite creative geocache just out the door - on the nature trail - (http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=10af588c-d7a2-448d-9713-4516b15c2f17). Mike Mike Bilbo Outdoor Recreation Planner/ BLM-NM Leave No Trace Treadlightly Coordinator Socorro Field Office 901 S. Highway 85 Socorro, New Mexico 87801 Desk Phone 575-838-1278, Fax 575-835-0223 http://www.nm.blm.gov/recreation/socorro/socorro_rec_home.htm ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Fatality at Fort Stanton Cave
I commend Jennifer Boyette, Carol Lucero and Jennifer Foote for their valiant CPR work. Within a few minutes of start of CPR by three members of the cave trip (El Paso Archaeological Society), Jennifer Boyette and Carlo Lucero arrived and immediately engaged in CPR, and soon Jennifer Foote arrived and joined the effort. Those CPR people did that work for nearly an hour, until relieved by paramedics. Steve Peerman gypcaver@comcast .net To Sent by: nmcaver nmca...@caver.net nmcaver-bounces@c cc aver.net Subject [NMCAVER] Fatality at Fort Stanton 10/19/2008 08:14 Cave AM To all: At approximately 4:50 pm on Saturday, Oct. 18, 2008 a 57 year old El Paso man (NOT a caver) on an El Paso Archeological Society trip being led by Mike Bilbo, suffered some sort of traumatic event (heart attack, stroke, ?) in Crystal Crawl, on the way out of the cave. Several Fort Stanton Cave Study Project members assisted in attempts to revive the man, unfortunately, unsuccessfully. Lincoln County EMS was notified and they, along with FSCSP members successfully recovered the body out of the cave by approximately 8 pm. A more detailed accounting will occur later. Steve Peerman Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in you sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] NCKRI director and location
Yikes, my bad for not taking effective notes at the SWR meeting, which I then turned over for publishing in the Southwestern Caver. Very sincere apologies for creating the confusion and consternation. George Veni gveni@warpdriveo nline.com To Sent by: New Mexico Cavers nmcaver-bounces@c nmca...@caver.net aver.net cc Subject 06/06/2008 10:47 [NMCAVER] NCKRI director and AMlocation In the recent issue of Southwestern Cavers is the statement “Pat Seiser gave NCKRI update on new location and director position to be advertised in May and hired by July” in the minutes of the April 2008 SWR meeting. This abbreviation of Pat’s comment has inadvertently caused some confusion. I am not leaving the National Cave and Karst Research Institute and it is not leaving Carlsbad or New Mexico. The “director position” is to hire an Education Director for NCKRI. I expect to start advertising that position this month (and will post a note to this list at that time) and then make the hire as soon as we receive and select from a qualified pool of applicants. As for our move, NCKRI is still located at 1400 Commerce Dr. in Carlsbad, renting space from the Permian Basin Regional Training Center. We will be staying here for another 18 months or so until our own headquarters is built. It will be the first building of the Cascades of Carlsbad development along the Pecos River just east of downtown Carlsbad. All is well with NCKRI as we make steady, important steps forward. If you have questions or want more information, feel free to contact me. Also feel free to post this message in newsletters to anyone you think may be interested. George *** George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 1400 Commerce Dr. Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org 001-575-887-5517 (office) 001-210-863-5919 (mobile) 001-413-383-2276 (fax) ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] 19th Century Karst Research
Here's an interesting article I ran across on the Internet about Karl Dezman and his mid-19th Century karst research: http://carsologica.zrc-sazu.si/downloads/351/juznic.pdf ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] [NM-Biodiversity] Field workshops on cave and karst science
cathryn_wild Sent by: NM-Biodiversity@y To ahoogroups.comnm-biodivers...@yahoogroups.com cc 03/11/2008 08:48 Subject AM[NM-Biodiversity] Field workshops on cave and karst science The Hoffman Environmental Research Institute, the Mammoth Cave International Center for Science and Learning, and Western Kentucky University would like to announce their 2008 Karst Field Studies classes. These week-long field classes can be taken for academic credit (undergraduate and graduate), for continuing education credits (CEU), or as non-credit workshops. Complete information on the Karst Field Studies program and the 2008 class offerings can be found at http://caveandkarst.wku.edu/summerclasses.html KARST ECOLOGY Dates: June 1-7, 2008, Instructor: Dr. Horton Hobbs, Location: Mammoth Cave Description: Caves and other subterranean voids are unique in that they lack light and, therefore, most are not capable of producing food. Consequently, these dark, energy poor, extreme environments impose a suite of restrictions on cave fauna as well as the evolution of cave-adapted organisms. The class will examine the cave productive surface world on the dark, consumptive cave environment. Morning sessions will be interactive lectures and afternoons and most evenings will be spent in the field, observing surface and subsurface ecosystems of the Mammoth Cave System. Small group mini-projects will be conducted utilizing the scientific method to test hypotheses related to the ecology of caves. A symposium will be presented. Participants should be in good physical condition and prepared for strenuous activity above and below ground throughout the week. CAVE KARST RESOURCE MANAGEMENT Dates: June 15-21, 2008, Instructors: Joel Despain and Dr. Rick Toomey, Location: Sequoia Kings Canyon National Park, California Description: This intensive course includes practical and hands-on instruction concerning cave management practices - AKA: cave specialist 101. It is designed for state and federal land managers, private preserve managers, and members of cave conservancies. The class will include three field trips to examine relevant topics in context. Topics covered include managing volunteers, cave gates, cave inventories and monitoring, cave management plans, relevant laws, cave restoration, cave survey and new cave discoveries, cave scientists and the manager, recreational cavers and much more. KARST GEOMORPHOLOGY Dates: June 8-14, 2008, Instructors: Dr. Darryl Granger with Joe Meiman, Location: Mammoth Cave Description: This course will be an intensive study of karst landscapes and will emphasize current thinking on the processes at work shaping them. We are fortunate to have as our laboratory one of the great karst landscapes of the world, and we will, therefore, be in a unique position to gain a deep appreciation of these fantastic landscapes through a combination of field and classroom study. The new view of the landscape provided by such a study can be profoundly enriching, and indeed enhance the karst experience. Because caves are a major element of the karst landscapes, both in terms of process and of form, their origin and morphology will be a major emphasis. Accordingly, we will spend a significant part of the week underground in the Mammoth Cave System as well as other caves. At least one previous course in geology is required, although appropriate concepts will be reviewed. The course will involve strenuous cave trips and hiking; therefore, participants must be in excellent physical condition SPELEOLOGY Dates: June 15-21, 2008, Instructor: Roger Brucker, Location: Mammoth Cave Description: Caves and karst form through the interaction of groundwater and rock. Caves are the home of many kinds of unique organisms and ecosystems. Caves and karst have also greatly influenced human settlement and activity. For these reasons, speleology, the science of caves, is an incredibly interdisciplinary science that draws from
[NMCAVER] Fw: WWII POW Tunnel
Most people have seen the Steve McQueen movie The Great Escape at least once. This is about that tunnel. The story is amazing. This is a fascinating look at a tunnel built in a German POW camp which allowed 76 Allied POWs to escape. Interactive map - click on numbers, and it will tell you about it. Then click on the word next in the same site and the story will unfold: http://www.kerman94.com/tunnelharry.html And then there's Manhole, a similar project of Great Imminents... ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] New Outdoor Store in Ruidoso
http://www.whitemountainoutdoorstore.com This new outdoor store in Ruidoso carries Petzl and other products. I suggested to the owner to think about caving gear and asked him if he had been to Stanton, and he had not, so I invited him to come on a trip when the cave opens. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [Nmcaver] ATVs in Caves
Yes, I think you're right. That Caveman Challenge was pretty cool - it explains the callouses on my knuckles... Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu To Sent by: nmcaver list nmca...@caver.net, nmcaver-bounces@c txcaver aver.net texascavers@texascavers.com cc 11/27/2007 11:39 Subject AM[Nmcaver] ATVs in Caves Last night I caught a glimpse of a Yamaha ATV commercial on the Discovery Channel during the show Walking with Cavemen http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/tv_radio/wwcavemen/ that appeared to depict riding ATVs through caves. I'm not sure I saw it right. Has anybody else seen that ad? What a bad message to send! :-( Mark Minton___ nmcaver mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://mail.caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ nmcaver mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://mail.caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Nmcaver] Silos of the 579th SMS
I know that many times you've driven by the Roswell missile silos of the 579th Strategic Missile Squadron. Here's some answers to what they're all about. http://www.atlasmissilesilo.com/ Some of the Roswell silos have pretty good water in them and a few are dry, some are bad air or H2S traps, and most provide unknown numbers of Mexican Freetails with roosts and an unknown number of Townsends Western Big-eared bats with hibernaculae. I talked to an owner who tried to make his into a house - he said radon gas became a huge problem. Silo 10 (http://www.atlasmissilesilo.com/579thSMS_Site10.htm) is the one on U.S. 380 west of town that has the open doors, which were opened several years ago for one of the Roswell Alien shindigs. There are 12 Atlas Model F missile silos that were related to Walker Air Force Base (Roswell) when it was a Strategic Air Command (SAC) base during the Cold War. When Walker was closed in 1967, the silos were deactivated and eventually sold. The website illustration is exactly what these look like. The IF factor - if those missiles had been used, would you be here now..? This part of the website was buried in the Accidents section and has the locations and air photos for the Roswell sites - http://www.atlasmissilesilo.com/579thSMS.htm If you know anyone who served at the Roswell sites, the website is looking for info and the Roswell ones don't have much info right now. ___ nmcaver mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://mail.caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Nmcaver] LED Sources of Interest
Here's a couple of interesting LED sites (I don't know if cavers ever talked to them about caver needs). These were sent to me by one of the super-innovative groups at the annual Burning Man event, the Alternative Energy Zone or AEZ. The UV LED flashlights seem to have interesting caver-like applications: http://www.yesled.com/web/ http://www.superbrightleds.com/ ___ nmcaver mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://mail.caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
