Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Caverns SP Project Rides Off Into The Sunset
Man! My heart just broke. This is my favorite cave. Alex and I were just talking about making a trip soon! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com wrote: Merry Christmas and Happy 2014, y'all! I have had a few inquiries as to the status of the Longhorn Caverns SP Project. At this point, I have decided to put it in the Completed or, at least, On Hiatus state of things. The TPWD folks, the concessionaire at the park, and the project folks had a to do list at the park and, to the best of my knowledge, all have been completed. This past spring, the TPWD crews did a superb job on repairing the dangerous trail areas in the cave, replacing and, in some cases, installing new handrails, repainting other handrails, and an excellent job of cleaning up after themselves. This, after switching all of the lighting in the cave from incandescent to LED the winter and spring before. The Project had a very long laundry list and it has been completed, as well, except for additional mapping in the back areas of the cave, near the Crownover entrance. This entrance still remains inaccessible, due to a new landowner and permissions to access the cave via this passageway have yet to be resolved. Hopefully, someday, the additional survey points and data collected by the various surveys will be added to the Longhorn Caverns map and we will have a completed and thorough idea of the total length and lay of the cave! I would love to be able to present this completed map to the park, someday! Highlights of the Project leader list include improvements and restoration of the Lovers Lane area, and removal of dead fall, cedar, and other unsightly underbush in the sinkhole near the Visitors Center, and pushing leads in the Lumbago Alley section. Numerous other smaller projects were completed and I'd rather not list them all or bore you with them here. Some of the folks I would like to thank, in no particular order, are: Lyndon Tiu, Gerry Geletzke, Natasha Glasgow, Daniel Ramirez, Bill Larson, Edwin Lehr, George-Paul Richman, Mallory Mayeux, Andrew Alman, Allison Alman, Chris Franke, Leslie Bell, Jim Sheets, and a cast of hundreds of others who have come out to help and my feeble memory can't recall! Some of the groups I'd like to offer a HUGE thank you are the Aggie Speleological Association and the Greater Houston Grotto. The Aggies, especially, were the hardest working, most enthusiastic, and hardest partying bunch I have ever been associated with and the success of this project, Pre and Post ICS, would not have been possible without their participation! Finally, I would like to thank ALL of the Boy Scout Troops that have come out to volunteer and to camp. They performed a huge service to the park,plus, a BUNCH of new youth received their first taste of caving and many have gone off to become more involved. (Why more cavers prefer to NOT work with Scout and other youth groups is beyond me! They are a great resource of labor and deep pool of potential new cavers. Refusal to work with them has puzzled me for 18 years and y'all know who you are!) In closing, to all of you who have come out to help on the project since 2008, either for just one weekend or for several weekends, I salute and thank you! I will always remember the fun times, hard work, evening meals (at the Park or at The Bluebonnet Cafe in Marble Falls), and the stargazing and camaraderie up in the Observation Tower on Saturday nights! To those of you who never made it out, y'all missed a VERY special project! If it gets resurrected or a special task at the park comes along, I'll be sure to let y'all know! Thanks and hats off! Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Volunteers Needed for Girl Scout Winter Jam at CBSP, January 12th
Mark, I'm in. Again. Can lead through Cicurina. Let me know what to do. Also..do we get the conference center again this year? That'd be great! You've got my cell. Let me know what I need to do. Natasha Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 17:09, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote: I will be there now that I work and live in Austin! When do we need to be there? Do all scouts get to go into each of the caves you listed? I'm sure I will have more questions, like who the trip leaders will be since I haven't been to these caves in too many years to remember, but I can be the last person in each cave in case someone wants out or freaks or whatever. How old are these kiddos? - from julia's cell On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:40, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and, now, I need your help. For the last several years, cavers from around the state have participated with the folks at TPWD and GS leaders from the Austin and San Antonio area for their annual event at CBSP. I just wanted to let you know that we have been invited to again assist the Girl Scouts from the Austin and San Antonio area at Colorado Bend SP for their annual Girl Scout Extravaganza. They are needing our help to lead groups of girls on caving trips on Saturday, January 12th. They are usually split into three (or four groups) and we typically visit Dynamite Cave, Turtle Shell Cave, and Cicurrina (sp?) Cave and, possibly, Gorman Falls. A short cave talk at the Park office is usually given beforehand and the girls will be providing their own equipment. Female leaders are especially effective with the Scouts, as they seem to like and appreciate members of the fairer sex who aren’t afraid to have fun and get dirty! I was planning on helping, as were the kids, as we have the last 6 or 7 ( 8?) years, but I found out my parents will be swinging through the DFW area to see us and, primarily, their two new great granddaughters that same weekend. If any of you could head up this endeavor, I would be very much indebted to you and the Conference Center available for GS caving volunteers’ use. Please let me know if you can assist and I appreciate your past help and, I hope, participation in January. Thanks! Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Volunteers Needed for Girl Scout Winter Jam at CBSP, January 12th
Mark, I'm in. Again. Can lead through Cicurina. Let me know what to do. Also..do we get the conference center again this year? That'd be great! You've got my cell. Let me know what I need to do. Natasha Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 17:09, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote: I will be there now that I work and live in Austin! When do we need to be there? Do all scouts get to go into each of the caves you listed? I'm sure I will have more questions, like who the trip leaders will be since I haven't been to these caves in too many years to remember, but I can be the last person in each cave in case someone wants out or freaks or whatever. How old are these kiddos? - from julia's cell On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:40, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and, now, I need your help. For the last several years, cavers from around the state have participated with the folks at TPWD and GS leaders from the Austin and San Antonio area for their annual event at CBSP. I just wanted to let you know that we have been invited to again assist the Girl Scouts from the Austin and San Antonio area at Colorado Bend SP for their annual Girl Scout Extravaganza. They are needing our help to lead groups of girls on caving trips on Saturday, January 12th. They are usually split into three (or four groups) and we typically visit Dynamite Cave, Turtle Shell Cave, and Cicurrina (sp?) Cave and, possibly, Gorman Falls. A short cave talk at the Park office is usually given beforehand and the girls will be providing their own equipment. Female leaders are especially effective with the Scouts, as they seem to like and appreciate members of the fairer sex who aren’t afraid to have fun and get dirty! I was planning on helping, as were the kids, as we have the last 6 or 7 ( 8?) years, but I found out my parents will be swinging through the DFW area to see us and, primarily, their two new great granddaughters that same weekend. If any of you could head up this endeavor, I would be very much indebted to you and the Conference Center available for GS caving volunteers’ use. Please let me know if you can assist and I appreciate your past help and, I hope, participation in January. Thanks! Mark Alman
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Volunteers Needed for Girl Scout Winter Jam at CBSP, January 12th
Mark, I'm in. Again. Can lead through Cicurina. Let me know what to do. Also..do we get the conference center again this year? That'd be great! You've got my cell. Let me know what I need to do. Natasha Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2012, at 17:09, Julia Germany germa...@aol.com wrote: I will be there now that I work and live in Austin! When do we need to be there? Do all scouts get to go into each of the caves you listed? I'm sure I will have more questions, like who the trip leaders will be since I haven't been to these caves in too many years to remember, but I can be the last person in each cave in case someone wants out or freaks or whatever. How old are these kiddos? - from julia's cell On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:40, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and, now, I need your help. For the last several years, cavers from around the state have participated with the folks at TPWD and GS leaders from the Austin and San Antonio area for their annual event at CBSP. I just wanted to let you know that we have been invited to again assist the Girl Scouts from the Austin and San Antonio area at Colorado Bend SP for their annual Girl Scout Extravaganza. They are needing our help to lead groups of girls on caving trips on Saturday, January 12th. They are usually split into three (or four groups) and we typically visit Dynamite Cave, Turtle Shell Cave, and Cicurrina (sp?) Cave and, possibly, Gorman Falls. A short cave talk at the Park office is usually given beforehand and the girls will be providing their own equipment. Female leaders are especially effective with the Scouts, as they seem to like and appreciate members of the fairer sex who aren’t afraid to have fun and get dirty! I was planning on helping, as were the kids, as we have the last 6 or 7 ( 8?) years, but I found out my parents will be swinging through the DFW area to see us and, primarily, their two new great granddaughters that same weekend. If any of you could head up this endeavor, I would be very much indebted to you and the Conference Center available for GS caving volunteers’ use. Please let me know if you can assist and I appreciate your past help and, I hope, participation in January. Thanks! Mark Alman
[Texascavers] Re: Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!
Crown Over is still off limits!!??!!?? Officer Loverboy must really be putting up a fight Natasha Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2012, at 13:46, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Well, with TCR in the rear view mirror, and Halloween will soon be behind us by the time this rolls around, what better way to kick off the fall than a Longhorn Caverns Project weekend involving caving, electricity, and power tools! The TPWD has graciously followed through and purchased some much needed equipment for us to make some long overdue trail improvements to a few areas Throughout the cave. Other funds for several other projects in the cave are to follow. In the meantime, this project will involve scoring ~ 61 feet of concrete throughout the cave (after we remove some gawd awful Astroturf © ) to improve traction, safety, and overall appearance. We will have to do this after hours on Saturday night and, if there’s enough interest, I’d like to do this on Friday night, as well. We have enough equipment for 8 (!) crews to be at work at one time. As a reward for helping out with this, the park is offering: · Free camping Friday and Saturday nights · Free use of The Basement for wild cave tours (the Crownover back entrance is still off limits). · A Free Vanishing Texas Bald Eagle Boat Cruise Sunday on beautiful Lake LBJ to observe bald eagles! If you have water jugs with screw on caps, please bring them. Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new faces interested in helping out. This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that way and we guarantee a great weekend! Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers! Hope to see you this month! Thanks! Mark
[Texascavers] Re: Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!
Crown Over is still off limits!!??!!?? Officer Loverboy must really be putting up a fight Natasha Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2012, at 13:46, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Well, with TCR in the rear view mirror, and Halloween will soon be behind us by the time this rolls around, what better way to kick off the fall than a Longhorn Caverns Project weekend involving caving, electricity, and power tools! The TPWD has graciously followed through and purchased some much needed equipment for us to make some long overdue trail improvements to a few areas Throughout the cave. Other funds for several other projects in the cave are to follow. In the meantime, this project will involve scoring ~ 61 feet of concrete throughout the cave (after we remove some gawd awful Astroturf © ) to improve traction, safety, and overall appearance. We will have to do this after hours on Saturday night and, if there’s enough interest, I’d like to do this on Friday night, as well. We have enough equipment for 8 (!) crews to be at work at one time. As a reward for helping out with this, the park is offering: · Free camping Friday and Saturday nights · Free use of The Basement for wild cave tours (the Crownover back entrance is still off limits). · A Free Vanishing Texas Bald Eagle Boat Cruise Sunday on beautiful Lake LBJ to observe bald eagles! If you have water jugs with screw on caps, please bring them. Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new faces interested in helping out. This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that way and we guarantee a great weekend! Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers! Hope to see you this month! Thanks! Mark
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th!
A! The bureaucracy Wl, I don't know. There are still a few things up in the air for next weekend. I may, but, honestly, probably not. Things should calm down by December though and I'll be back on schedule! From: Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com To: Natasha Glasgow natashanich...@yahoo.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com; germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com; kuva...@mygrande.net kuva...@mygrande.net; lyndon@gmail.com lyndon@gmail.com; b...@zaraenvironmental.com b...@zaraenvironmental.com; cefran...@yahoo.com cefran...@yahoo.com; trog...@hotmail.com trog...@hotmail.com; cowboycoun...@sbcglobal.net cowboycoun...@sbcglobal.net; mreai...@gmail.com mreai...@gmail.com; bellem...@yahoo.com bellem...@yahoo.com; edwin lehr edwin_leh...@hotmail.com; kristopherchand...@yahoo.com kristopherchand...@yahoo.com; sharonavery...@yahoo.com sharonavery...@yahoo.com; caseydtuc...@gmail.com caseydtuc...@gmail.com; mmay...@gmail.com mmay...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th! I wish that's what it was, Natasha. It's that freakin' new landowner (lawyer, naturally) in Houston! You coming that weekend? Mark From: Natasha Glasgow natashanich...@yahoo.com To: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com texascavers@texascavers.com; germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com; kuva...@mygrande.net kuva...@mygrande.net; lyndon@gmail.com lyndon@gmail.com; b...@zaraenvironmental.com b...@zaraenvironmental.com; cefran...@yahoo.com cefran...@yahoo.com; trog...@hotmail.com trog...@hotmail.com; cowboycoun...@sbcglobal.net cowboycoun...@sbcglobal.net; mreai...@gmail.com mreai...@gmail.com; Mark Alman texascav...@yahoo.com; bellem...@yahoo.com bellem...@yahoo.com; edwin lehr edwin_leh...@hotmail.com; kristopherchand...@yahoo.com kristopherchand...@yahoo.com; sharonavery...@yahoo.com sharonavery...@yahoo.com; caseydtuc...@gmail.com caseydtuc...@gmail.com; mmay...@gmail.com mmay...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Caving AND Power Tools?! It Must Be a Longhorn Caverns Project Weekend, November 2nd thru 4th! Crown Over is still off limits!!??!!?? Officer Loverboy must really be putting up a fight Natasha Sent from my iPhone On Oct 22, 2012, at 13:46, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Well, with TCR in the rear view mirror,and Halloween willsoonbe behind us by the time this rolls around, what better way to kick off thefall than a Longhorn Caverns Project weekend involving caving, electricity, and power tools! The TPWD has graciously followed through and purchased some much neededequipmentfor us to make some long overdue trail improvements to a few areas Throughout the cave. Other funds for several other projects in the cave are to follow. In the meantime, thisprojectwill involve scoring~ 61 feet of concrete throughout the cave (after we remove some gawd awful Astroturf©) to improve traction, safety,and overall appearance. We will have to do this after hours on Saturday night and, if there’s enough interest, I’dliketo do this on Friday night, as well. We have enough equipment for 8 (!)crewsto be at work at one time. As a reward for helping out with this, the park is offering: · Free camping Friday and Saturday nights · Free use ofThe Basement forwild cave tours(the Crownover back entrance is still off limits). · A Free Vanishing Texas Bald EagleBoat CruiseSundayon beautiful Lake LBJ to observe bald eagles! If you have water jugs with screw oncaps, please bring them. Hope to see the old hands back at the project this month, as well as any new faces interested in helping out. This is a truly fun and enjoyable project and we try hard to keep it that way and we guarantee a great weekend! Come out to a spectacular and historic cave and park, friendly park staff, and the always entertaining camaraderie of cavers! Hope to see you this month! Thanks! Mark
Fw: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
Well, guys..what do you think? We going or what? - Forwarded Message - From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers List allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grotto dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Fw: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
Well, guys..what do you think? We going or what? - Forwarded Message - From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers List allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grotto dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Fw: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7
Well, guys..what do you think? We going or what? - Forwarded Message - From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org To: Allcavers Metroplex Cavers List allcav...@metroplexcavers.org; DFW Grotto dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:29 AM Subject: [DFWgrotto] Fwd: Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 -- Forwarded message -- From: Kurt L. Menking gi...@bcad.org Date: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:50 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7 Cc: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com Sorry to compete against Marvin’s Government Canyon trip, but I Yesterday I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 6-7. There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves on the property. Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back to check it out. Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property. He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project. Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through trips, or other recreational trips. Trips to the spring entrance will be restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area. Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights. Kurt ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19
Hopefully they were a little more creative in hiding the wiring this time!!! Can't wait to see it!!! Natasha From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; diane.dismu...@tpwd.state.tx.us; we...@zianet.com; eric.houseofs...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 * Hey Cavers! * * Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 * * BURNET — Add one more reason to visit or revisit Longhorn Cavern State Park this summer other than its constant 68-degree environment. Workers have rewired the National Registered Landmark and replaced decades-old incandescent lights with hundreds of energy-saving, 12-volt halogen lights to better illuminate the cavern’s most outstanding natural features. Read the release: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20120628b
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19
Hopefully they were a little more creative in hiding the wiring this time!!! Can't wait to see it!!! Natasha From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; diane.dismu...@tpwd.state.tx.us; we...@zianet.com; eric.houseofs...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 * Hey Cavers! * * Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 * * BURNET — Add one more reason to visit or revisit Longhorn Cavern State Park this summer other than its constant 68-degree environment. Workers have rewired the National Registered Landmark and replaced decades-old incandescent lights with hundreds of energy-saving, 12-volt halogen lights to better illuminate the cavern’s most outstanding natural features. Read the release: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20120628b
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19
Hopefully they were a little more creative in hiding the wiring this time!!! Can't wait to see it!!! Natasha From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; diane.dismu...@tpwd.state.tx.us; we...@zianet.com; eric.houseofs...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 * Hey Cavers! * * Longhorn Cavern Sporting New Lighting System — Official Dedication to be Held July 19 * * BURNET — Add one more reason to visit or revisit Longhorn Cavern State Park this summer other than its constant 68-degree environment. Workers have rewired the National Registered Landmark and replaced decades-old incandescent lights with hundreds of energy-saving, 12-volt halogen lights to better illuminate the cavern’s most outstanding natural features. Read the release: http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20120628b
Re: [Texascavers] Dirty old men
1) Caver or not, if a woman (or man, for that matter) would prefer to not be the receipient of suggestive sexual comments, then that's their choice. Some gals don't mind hearing randomly how sweet their ass is, others it might make uncomfortable. I would suggest that before one makes a comment of that nature, he or she should make sure that their relationship with the person at the other end of that comment allows for the respective level of offense. 2) In regard to the very open conversation of certain people's sex life. There is a line somewhere...and I'm not exactly sure where that line is in the caver world, but I'm certain it's been crossed. Getting Laid at TCR is safely on one side of that line, but everything else I've read in the dozen or so emails since, is very much on the other side. I'm pretty hard to offend, but I can say that I am officially grossed out. TMI, guys...TMI. Natasha From: Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org To: bmorgan...@aol.com Cc: fh...@townandcountryins.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dirty old men We may not get mortally wounded, but just remember that there are a few caver chicks out there that if you make comments about their sweet ass, that they may never speak to you again, if for no reason but to avoid having to be the object of inappropriate comments. On 6 June 2012 11:01, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: No, my beloved Ann is not pissed (though she has yet to see any of this!) She is an enlightened woman, a scientist who understands that we are all horny apes who act on the basis of instinct. She does expect to be respected, and I would be in big trouble if I brought home a bimbo, but respect has nothing to do with pandering to the fears and inadequacies of others. Anyone who is mortally wounded because someone makes a wisecrack about their sweet ass has a bigger problem than the size of their butt. As for Logan, he is too nice a guy to be beleaguered for having used the word laid. Didn't he pine for many years for a lost love? When I first met him many years ago in Belize he was living like some sort of celibate monk, but if you have ever seen the indigenous women of Belize that is easy to understand. If I had been born there and had lived there all my life there I would definitely prefer to die a virgin. So a feminist walks into a bar and sez, That's not funny! Oh yes it is! SW In a message dated 6/6/2012 11:13:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fh...@townandcountryins.com writes: Talk about flaunting his golden moments (real or imagined), Sleaze is not afraid to subject himself to the wrath of those easily offended and the feminist element. As a fellow dirty old man, I found this to be entertaining and in keeping with B Morgan’s literary essays of love and adventure. I think he wrote this in light of the recent string on subjects inappropriate for this venue. Whether there is any truth in this or not, do you think Ann might be pissed? Keep up the entertaining work, Sleaze. You have more guts than I do. I’ve had my turn at being chastised but then I uttered the unmentionable, conservative politics. Geezer (outlived) From:bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:56 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Dirty old men Caver cunnie is the best! Let's face it Cave Chicks are hot, that is why I go to cave gatherings. You think I do it for the caves? Yet another cold dark hole in the ground? No, I prefer warm. I have porked more different mud covered pud muffins due to chance encounters at the hot tub than at any other venue or from any other demographic group. Discos just don't work for me. As a case in point, after boffing various bimbos at various cave gatherings I met my life partner, the estimable Dr. Ann, some twenty or so years ago at the hot tub at the Old Timers. While recovering from a brutal hangover I saw what I thought to be an unknown hot caver chick headed for the tub so I set out in hot pursuit. I asked her name and she replied, Maybe you will remember when I take my clothes off. Unfortunately I didn't and she was clearly hurt. Then suddenly I remembered, we had talked for hours several days before while she was naked and I was clothed. Then I tried out a standard line, I only wanted to probe your mind. Despite Ann's high IQ it worked like a charm and she swooned. I turned to a friend and said, This one's in the bag! As for being a dirty old man and the improbability of actually scoring, I would remind you that it is better to be a dirty old man than any of the possible other alternatives. In my quiet moments I like to reflect upon conquests past. If only I could remember why? Perhaps some day I will
Re: [Texascavers] Dirty old men
1) Caver or not, if a woman (or man, for that matter) would prefer to not be the receipient of suggestive sexual comments, then that's their choice. Some gals don't mind hearing randomly how sweet their ass is, others it might make uncomfortable. I would suggest that before one makes a comment of that nature, he or she should make sure that their relationship with the person at the other end of that comment allows for the respective level of offense. 2) In regard to the very open conversation of certain people's sex life. There is a line somewhere...and I'm not exactly sure where that line is in the caver world, but I'm certain it's been crossed. Getting Laid at TCR is safely on one side of that line, but everything else I've read in the dozen or so emails since, is very much on the other side. I'm pretty hard to offend, but I can say that I am officially grossed out. TMI, guys...TMI. Natasha From: Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org To: bmorgan...@aol.com Cc: fh...@townandcountryins.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dirty old men We may not get mortally wounded, but just remember that there are a few caver chicks out there that if you make comments about their sweet ass, that they may never speak to you again, if for no reason but to avoid having to be the object of inappropriate comments. On 6 June 2012 11:01, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: No, my beloved Ann is not pissed (though she has yet to see any of this!) She is an enlightened woman, a scientist who understands that we are all horny apes who act on the basis of instinct. She does expect to be respected, and I would be in big trouble if I brought home a bimbo, but respect has nothing to do with pandering to the fears and inadequacies of others. Anyone who is mortally wounded because someone makes a wisecrack about their sweet ass has a bigger problem than the size of their butt. As for Logan, he is too nice a guy to be beleaguered for having used the word laid. Didn't he pine for many years for a lost love? When I first met him many years ago in Belize he was living like some sort of celibate monk, but if you have ever seen the indigenous women of Belize that is easy to understand. If I had been born there and had lived there all my life there I would definitely prefer to die a virgin. So a feminist walks into a bar and sez, That's not funny! Oh yes it is! SW In a message dated 6/6/2012 11:13:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fh...@townandcountryins.com writes: Talk about flaunting his golden moments (real or imagined), Sleaze is not afraid to subject himself to the wrath of those easily offended and the feminist element. As a fellow dirty old man, I found this to be entertaining and in keeping with B Morgan’s literary essays of love and adventure. I think he wrote this in light of the recent string on subjects inappropriate for this venue. Whether there is any truth in this or not, do you think Ann might be pissed? Keep up the entertaining work, Sleaze. You have more guts than I do. I’ve had my turn at being chastised but then I uttered the unmentionable, conservative politics. Geezer (outlived) From:bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:56 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Dirty old men Caver cunnie is the best! Let's face it Cave Chicks are hot, that is why I go to cave gatherings. You think I do it for the caves? Yet another cold dark hole in the ground? No, I prefer warm. I have porked more different mud covered pud muffins due to chance encounters at the hot tub than at any other venue or from any other demographic group. Discos just don't work for me. As a case in point, after boffing various bimbos at various cave gatherings I met my life partner, the estimable Dr. Ann, some twenty or so years ago at the hot tub at the Old Timers. While recovering from a brutal hangover I saw what I thought to be an unknown hot caver chick headed for the tub so I set out in hot pursuit. I asked her name and she replied, Maybe you will remember when I take my clothes off. Unfortunately I didn't and she was clearly hurt. Then suddenly I remembered, we had talked for hours several days before while she was naked and I was clothed. Then I tried out a standard line, I only wanted to probe your mind. Despite Ann's high IQ it worked like a charm and she swooned. I turned to a friend and said, This one's in the bag! As for being a dirty old man and the improbability of actually scoring, I would remind you that it is better to be a dirty old man than any of the possible other alternatives. In my quiet moments I like to reflect upon conquests past. If only I could remember why? Perhaps some day I will
Re: [Texascavers] Dirty old men
1) Caver or not, if a woman (or man, for that matter) would prefer to not be the receipient of suggestive sexual comments, then that's their choice. Some gals don't mind hearing randomly how sweet their ass is, others it might make uncomfortable. I would suggest that before one makes a comment of that nature, he or she should make sure that their relationship with the person at the other end of that comment allows for the respective level of offense. 2) In regard to the very open conversation of certain people's sex life. There is a line somewhere...and I'm not exactly sure where that line is in the caver world, but I'm certain it's been crossed. Getting Laid at TCR is safely on one side of that line, but everything else I've read in the dozen or so emails since, is very much on the other side. I'm pretty hard to offend, but I can say that I am officially grossed out. TMI, guys...TMI. Natasha From: Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org To: bmorgan...@aol.com Cc: fh...@townandcountryins.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Dirty old men We may not get mortally wounded, but just remember that there are a few caver chicks out there that if you make comments about their sweet ass, that they may never speak to you again, if for no reason but to avoid having to be the object of inappropriate comments. On 6 June 2012 11:01, bmorgan...@aol.com wrote: No, my beloved Ann is not pissed (though she has yet to see any of this!) She is an enlightened woman, a scientist who understands that we are all horny apes who act on the basis of instinct. She does expect to be respected, and I would be in big trouble if I brought home a bimbo, but respect has nothing to do with pandering to the fears and inadequacies of others. Anyone who is mortally wounded because someone makes a wisecrack about their sweet ass has a bigger problem than the size of their butt. As for Logan, he is too nice a guy to be beleaguered for having used the word laid. Didn't he pine for many years for a lost love? When I first met him many years ago in Belize he was living like some sort of celibate monk, but if you have ever seen the indigenous women of Belize that is easy to understand. If I had been born there and had lived there all my life there I would definitely prefer to die a virgin. So a feminist walks into a bar and sez, That's not funny! Oh yes it is! SW In a message dated 6/6/2012 11:13:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fh...@townandcountryins.com writes: Talk about flaunting his golden moments (real or imagined), Sleaze is not afraid to subject himself to the wrath of those easily offended and the feminist element. As a fellow dirty old man, I found this to be entertaining and in keeping with B Morgan’s literary essays of love and adventure. I think he wrote this in light of the recent string on subjects inappropriate for this venue. Whether there is any truth in this or not, do you think Ann might be pissed? Keep up the entertaining work, Sleaze. You have more guts than I do. I’ve had my turn at being chastised but then I uttered the unmentionable, conservative politics. Geezer (outlived) From:bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:56 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Dirty old men Caver cunnie is the best! Let's face it Cave Chicks are hot, that is why I go to cave gatherings. You think I do it for the caves? Yet another cold dark hole in the ground? No, I prefer warm. I have porked more different mud covered pud muffins due to chance encounters at the hot tub than at any other venue or from any other demographic group. Discos just don't work for me. As a case in point, after boffing various bimbos at various cave gatherings I met my life partner, the estimable Dr. Ann, some twenty or so years ago at the hot tub at the Old Timers. While recovering from a brutal hangover I saw what I thought to be an unknown hot caver chick headed for the tub so I set out in hot pursuit. I asked her name and she replied, Maybe you will remember when I take my clothes off. Unfortunately I didn't and she was clearly hurt. Then suddenly I remembered, we had talked for hours several days before while she was naked and I was clothed. Then I tried out a standard line, I only wanted to probe your mind. Despite Ann's high IQ it worked like a charm and she swooned. I turned to a friend and said, This one's in the bag! As for being a dirty old man and the improbability of actually scoring, I would remind you that it is better to be a dirty old man than any of the possible other alternatives. In my quiet moments I like to reflect upon conquests past. If only I could remember why? Perhaps some day I will
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders?
Lyndon, Karstsports.com has them! Natasha From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: [Texascavers] Caving Wire Ladders? Can someone recommend where I can get caving wire ladders? Thanks. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
I am as well! From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: speleoste...@aol.com; Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave) Sorry Bill! Good to know that! From:speleoste...@aol.com [mailto:speleoste...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:05 AM To: Jim Kennedy; Lissa Talkington; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave) Me too.
Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
I am as well! From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: speleoste...@aol.com; Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave) Sorry Bill! Good to know that! From:speleoste...@aol.com [mailto:speleoste...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:05 AM To: Jim Kennedy; Lissa Talkington; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave) Me too.
Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave)
I am as well! From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: speleoste...@aol.com; Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:08 AM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave) Sorry Bill! Good to know that! From:speleoste...@aol.com [mailto:speleoste...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:05 AM To: Jim Kennedy; Lissa Talkington; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: caver ministers (WAS Honey Creek Cave) Me too.
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th
Don't forget the UT Grotto..I believe that Angela and Andy are UT. Natasha From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th It’s been awfully quiet here onCaveTex, so IthoughtI would send along a projectreportfrom last weekend. I know there were other projects going on last weekend (Deep/Punkin,Robber Baron Open House, Gov’t Canyon), so post away! The next LonghornCavern project will benext month, Saturday, December 3rd. From Gerry Geletzke Of the 19 that went in through the Crownover entrance, 17 made it to the second sump, two stayed at the first sump. The low air at the first sump provided about six or seven inches of air at its lowest point, a little more than Summer 2009. The second sump water level looked like it was down about three to four feet from Summer 2009 but it didn't provide any real additional passage only a larger terminal room. Mallory took several pictures of the second sump to document its current state. (One interesting note; Caleb found his initials and '2009' still clearly legible in the lower dirt sidewall of the passage between the two sumps.) On the way back to the Crownover passage Caleb, Mallory and I looked for and partially explored a couple of already identified leads but we did not want to get too far behind the rest of the group. All 19 of us took the Water Trail passage on the way back to the Crownover passage also. After regaining the Crownover passage, 13 exited the cave and six of us went over the dams and down the main passage to intersect with the Wigglies pit entrance. Your rope and carpet at the dams seemed to have weathered the last two years fine. We then entered the Wigglies and exited back in the Crownover passage. There was some water in the Wigglies but at the deepest point it was less that one foot deep. We then proceeded to exit the cave. I look forward to the next Longhorn work trip. Participants: Mallory and Caleb Mayeux Andy and Angela Edwards Zach Broussard -Chelsea Bergoine -Cruz St. Peters -Chelsea Small -Kyle Leonard -Will Schievelbein -Tori Dunbar -James Kancewick -Sam Kancewick -Jerome Cap -Scott Grimes -Valerie Bowen -Jared Lingo -Natasha Glasgow Sincerely, Gerry Geletzke – Team Leader From yours truly: It was pretty brisk camping out Friday night and the direct opposite Saturday night. Weird! We had a total turnout of 24 folks and a dog attend. GHG, A.S.S., TSA, and DFW Grottos well represented. Met Jim Sheets, the new Park Host. A very nice and accommodating gentleman and who will be very easy to work with. The LCSP staff is also very excited and welcoming and looking forward to having us down in the future. Julia Germany, Edwin Lehr, Natasha’s son, Peyton, and myself worked in the Lovers Lane area. We moved a lot of dirt and rock and began on the area directly below a pool of water (!) called the Pigs Trough. Julia and Peyton visited this area and took pix. We got a good start at rebuilding this area, covering the large drainage pipe, and obscuring the manmade dam that forms this area. We still have a lot to do and they gave us a thorough tour of the cave showing what other tasks they would like to see done and where fill can be located or relocated. Some of theitemswere: Fill in washed areas near both entrances to LL. Did out the encrusted mud on the trail near the Pig Trough. Complete rebuilding the drainage pipe are below the Pig Trough. Did out the mud filledtrenches in the LL area and area leading to Frozen Waterfall area. Unclog drainage pipe in Frozen Waterfall area. Fill in some other washed out areas. Ridge walk areas of the park, including a few new karst features that may/may not connect with the cave. These last two items are pretty exciting: Discussed with Christina and Brad about forming a 501C non-profit called “The Friends of Longhorn Caverns” that could do fundraising, etc. in order to pay for projects in the cave, much like Colorado Bend SP and other State Parks have. Julia is much more knowledgeable on this that me and knows all the how to’s and details. LCSP folks very excited about this. There is an area near Lumbago Alley, towards the Turnaround/Catfish Lake jump off that takes a LOT of water, according to Brad. They would love for us to dig this out andsee if there are additional levels of the cave. The tube is filled in with loose gravel and looks pretty similar to the Crownover Causeway and would be easy to dig out. The Aggies had a good time celebrating someone’s 21stbirthday (I forgot who) Saturday night and the Bluebonnet Caféin Marble Falls was excellent, as usual. Much pontificating accomplished at the top
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th
Don't forget the UT Grotto..I believe that Angela and Andy are UT. Natasha From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th It’s been awfully quiet here onCaveTex, so IthoughtI would send along a projectreportfrom last weekend. I know there were other projects going on last weekend (Deep/Punkin,Robber Baron Open House, Gov’t Canyon), so post away! The next LonghornCavern project will benext month, Saturday, December 3rd. From Gerry Geletzke Of the 19 that went in through the Crownover entrance, 17 made it to the second sump, two stayed at the first sump. The low air at the first sump provided about six or seven inches of air at its lowest point, a little more than Summer 2009. The second sump water level looked like it was down about three to four feet from Summer 2009 but it didn't provide any real additional passage only a larger terminal room. Mallory took several pictures of the second sump to document its current state. (One interesting note; Caleb found his initials and '2009' still clearly legible in the lower dirt sidewall of the passage between the two sumps.) On the way back to the Crownover passage Caleb, Mallory and I looked for and partially explored a couple of already identified leads but we did not want to get too far behind the rest of the group. All 19 of us took the Water Trail passage on the way back to the Crownover passage also. After regaining the Crownover passage, 13 exited the cave and six of us went over the dams and down the main passage to intersect with the Wigglies pit entrance. Your rope and carpet at the dams seemed to have weathered the last two years fine. We then entered the Wigglies and exited back in the Crownover passage. There was some water in the Wigglies but at the deepest point it was less that one foot deep. We then proceeded to exit the cave. I look forward to the next Longhorn work trip. Participants: Mallory and Caleb Mayeux Andy and Angela Edwards Zach Broussard -Chelsea Bergoine -Cruz St. Peters -Chelsea Small -Kyle Leonard -Will Schievelbein -Tori Dunbar -James Kancewick -Sam Kancewick -Jerome Cap -Scott Grimes -Valerie Bowen -Jared Lingo -Natasha Glasgow Sincerely, Gerry Geletzke – Team Leader From yours truly: It was pretty brisk camping out Friday night and the direct opposite Saturday night. Weird! We had a total turnout of 24 folks and a dog attend. GHG, A.S.S., TSA, and DFW Grottos well represented. Met Jim Sheets, the new Park Host. A very nice and accommodating gentleman and who will be very easy to work with. The LCSP staff is also very excited and welcoming and looking forward to having us down in the future. Julia Germany, Edwin Lehr, Natasha’s son, Peyton, and myself worked in the Lovers Lane area. We moved a lot of dirt and rock and began on the area directly below a pool of water (!) called the Pigs Trough. Julia and Peyton visited this area and took pix. We got a good start at rebuilding this area, covering the large drainage pipe, and obscuring the manmade dam that forms this area. We still have a lot to do and they gave us a thorough tour of the cave showing what other tasks they would like to see done and where fill can be located or relocated. Some of theitemswere: Fill in washed areas near both entrances to LL. Did out the encrusted mud on the trail near the Pig Trough. Complete rebuilding the drainage pipe are below the Pig Trough. Did out the mud filledtrenches in the LL area and area leading to Frozen Waterfall area. Unclog drainage pipe in Frozen Waterfall area. Fill in some other washed out areas. Ridge walk areas of the park, including a few new karst features that may/may not connect with the cave. These last two items are pretty exciting: Discussed with Christina and Brad about forming a 501C non-profit called “The Friends of Longhorn Caverns” that could do fundraising, etc. in order to pay for projects in the cave, much like Colorado Bend SP and other State Parks have. Julia is much more knowledgeable on this that me and knows all the how to’s and details. LCSP folks very excited about this. There is an area near Lumbago Alley, towards the Turnaround/Catfish Lake jump off that takes a LOT of water, according to Brad. They would love for us to dig this out andsee if there are additional levels of the cave. The tube is filled in with loose gravel and looks pretty similar to the Crownover Causeway and would be easy to dig out. The Aggies had a good time celebrating someone’s 21stbirthday (I forgot who) Saturday night and the Bluebonnet Caféin Marble Falls was excellent, as usual. Much pontificating accomplished at the top
Re: [Texascavers] Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th
Don't forget the UT Grotto..I believe that Angela and Andy are UT. Natasha From: mark.al...@l-3com.com mark.al...@l-3com.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th Longhorn Wrap Up-Saturday, November 5th It’s been awfully quiet here onCaveTex, so IthoughtI would send along a projectreportfrom last weekend. I know there were other projects going on last weekend (Deep/Punkin,Robber Baron Open House, Gov’t Canyon), so post away! The next LonghornCavern project will benext month, Saturday, December 3rd. From Gerry Geletzke Of the 19 that went in through the Crownover entrance, 17 made it to the second sump, two stayed at the first sump. The low air at the first sump provided about six or seven inches of air at its lowest point, a little more than Summer 2009. The second sump water level looked like it was down about three to four feet from Summer 2009 but it didn't provide any real additional passage only a larger terminal room. Mallory took several pictures of the second sump to document its current state. (One interesting note; Caleb found his initials and '2009' still clearly legible in the lower dirt sidewall of the passage between the two sumps.) On the way back to the Crownover passage Caleb, Mallory and I looked for and partially explored a couple of already identified leads but we did not want to get too far behind the rest of the group. All 19 of us took the Water Trail passage on the way back to the Crownover passage also. After regaining the Crownover passage, 13 exited the cave and six of us went over the dams and down the main passage to intersect with the Wigglies pit entrance. Your rope and carpet at the dams seemed to have weathered the last two years fine. We then entered the Wigglies and exited back in the Crownover passage. There was some water in the Wigglies but at the deepest point it was less that one foot deep. We then proceeded to exit the cave. I look forward to the next Longhorn work trip. Participants: Mallory and Caleb Mayeux Andy and Angela Edwards Zach Broussard -Chelsea Bergoine -Cruz St. Peters -Chelsea Small -Kyle Leonard -Will Schievelbein -Tori Dunbar -James Kancewick -Sam Kancewick -Jerome Cap -Scott Grimes -Valerie Bowen -Jared Lingo -Natasha Glasgow Sincerely, Gerry Geletzke – Team Leader From yours truly: It was pretty brisk camping out Friday night and the direct opposite Saturday night. Weird! We had a total turnout of 24 folks and a dog attend. GHG, A.S.S., TSA, and DFW Grottos well represented. Met Jim Sheets, the new Park Host. A very nice and accommodating gentleman and who will be very easy to work with. The LCSP staff is also very excited and welcoming and looking forward to having us down in the future. Julia Germany, Edwin Lehr, Natasha’s son, Peyton, and myself worked in the Lovers Lane area. We moved a lot of dirt and rock and began on the area directly below a pool of water (!) called the Pigs Trough. Julia and Peyton visited this area and took pix. We got a good start at rebuilding this area, covering the large drainage pipe, and obscuring the manmade dam that forms this area. We still have a lot to do and they gave us a thorough tour of the cave showing what other tasks they would like to see done and where fill can be located or relocated. Some of theitemswere: Fill in washed areas near both entrances to LL. Did out the encrusted mud on the trail near the Pig Trough. Complete rebuilding the drainage pipe are below the Pig Trough. Did out the mud filledtrenches in the LL area and area leading to Frozen Waterfall area. Unclog drainage pipe in Frozen Waterfall area. Fill in some other washed out areas. Ridge walk areas of the park, including a few new karst features that may/may not connect with the cave. These last two items are pretty exciting: Discussed with Christina and Brad about forming a 501C non-profit called “The Friends of Longhorn Caverns” that could do fundraising, etc. in order to pay for projects in the cave, much like Colorado Bend SP and other State Parks have. Julia is much more knowledgeable on this that me and knows all the how to’s and details. LCSP folks very excited about this. There is an area near Lumbago Alley, towards the Turnaround/Catfish Lake jump off that takes a LOT of water, according to Brad. They would love for us to dig this out andsee if there are additional levels of the cave. The tube is filled in with loose gravel and looks pretty similar to the Crownover Causeway and would be easy to dig out. The Aggies had a good time celebrating someone’s 21stbirthday (I forgot who) Saturday night and the Bluebonnet Caféin Marble Falls was excellent, as usual. Much pontificating accomplished at the top
