Re: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch

[Reddell, James R]

I have read the book and found it very well written and a fascinating account of
pioneering caving techniques and adventures. Wonderful historic photos by 
Mitchell.
Bill has done a superb job of editing and laying it out. Well worth the money!

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of William R. 
Elliott 
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 11:13 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch


July 15 deadline to order book, Caving with Mitch



The new book, Caving with Mitch, by Francis E. Abernethy, is available as a 
free pdf to download at 
https://cavelife.info/cuevashistoricas/


Caving with Mitch is the true and humorous adventure story of three great 
friends, Francis E. Abernethy (“Ab”), Robert W. Mitchell (“Mitch” or “Bob”), 
and William L. Rhodes (“Dusty”). They were active at the beginning of American 
caving in Mexico.



A printed book can be ordered from Linda Mitchell at 
lindaglassmitch...@gmail.com. Please copy 
me at speodes...@gmail.com.



Payment by Venmo or PayPal is preferred to Linda’s email. Include your full 
name, street address, email, and phone with your email order.



We have decided that checks are acceptable, made out to Linda Mitchell, at 1707 
Antler Dr, Austin, TX 78741. There will be no cash sales.



You must pay first to get a book. Send the payment at $20 per book, and we will 
acknowledge your order. Your purchase includes media mail postage to the 48 
contiguous US states.



Please contact Linda about the additional mailing cost for addresses outside 
the lower 48 states.



Sincerely,



William R. (Bill) Elliott

30105 Briarcrest Court

Georgetown, Texas 78628

speodes...@gmail.com

573-291-5093 cell
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Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Revisited

[Reddell, James R]

I may be in error, and they may have been better than that.
That was a very long time ago.

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Mark 
Minton 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 5:17 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Revisited

If your accuracy was less than 1%, I think you had a problem! ;-)

Brunton accuracy was pretty good, but you can't beat properly calibrated 
Disto-X2s with front and backsights. I've done several surveys with less than 
0.5% loop-closure error, and a couple of large loops (over 2000 feet) had 0.1% 
error!

Mark Minton

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 5:58 PM Reddell, James R 
mailto:jreddell.ca...@austin.utexas.edu>> 
wrote:
I mapped all of Caverns of Sonora up to the pit with a
Brunton on a tripod and we consistently got less than 1%
accuracy in short and long loops. I also got very good accuracy
in some long surveys in Yucatan caves.

James


From: Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>>
 on behalf of speodes...@gmail.com<mailto:speodes...@gmail.com> 
mailto:speodes...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:40 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Revisited

Thanks for leveling with us, Dwight.

Doing the inclinations was hard going handheld. All I ever owned were two Army 
Bruntons. Suuntos were a big change!

And thanks to Carl for his good article.

William R. (Bill) Elliott
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Dwight Deal 
mailto:dirt...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Carl Kunath wrote an excellent historical article on the use of the old Brunton 
compass in cave surveying.  Unfortunately, the major source of error was not 
clearly noted.

That error is not having the Brunton as near perfectly level as possible when 
you make the sighting.  A tripod helps if you pay attention, but it is possible 
to make accurate sights hand-held as well.

I taught Herb Conn how to survey with a Brunton in 1959, and in many miles of 
hand-held Jewel Cave survey loops our error was consistently on the order of ½ 
of 1%.  Keeping it level was the key. Considerable contortions were sometimes 
required of the surveyor, however.

DirtDoc
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Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Revisited

[Reddell, James R]

I mapped all of Caverns of Sonora up to the pit with a
Brunton on a tripod and we consistently got less than 1%
accuracy in short and long loops. I also got very good accuracy
in some long surveys in Yucatan caves.

James


From: Texascavers  on behalf of 
speodes...@gmail.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 4:40 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Brunton Revisited

Thanks for leveling with us, Dwight.

Doing the inclinations was hard going handheld. All I ever owned were two Army 
Bruntons. Suuntos were a big change!

And thanks to Carl for his good article.

William R. (Bill) Elliott
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Dwight Deal  wrote:



Carl Kunath wrote an excellent historical article on the use of the old Brunton 
compass in cave surveying.  Unfortunately, the major source of error was not 
clearly noted.



That error is not having the Brunton as near perfectly level as possible when 
you make the sighting.  A tripod helps if you pay attention, but it is possible 
to make accurate sights hand-held as well.



I taught Herb Conn how to survey with a Brunton in 1959, and in many miles of 
hand-held Jewel Cave survey loops our error was consistently on the order of ½ 
of 1%.  Keeping it level was the key. Considerable contortions were sometimes 
required of the surveyor, however.



DirtDoc



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Re: [Texascavers] Logan

[Reddell, James R]

I had a long talk with Logan on the 24th. He seems to be
doing fine.

James Reddell

From: Texascavers  on behalf of 
mmeredit...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 11:24 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Logan

Would someone please go check on him?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 27, 2021, at 11:17 AM, imoca...@comcast.net 
wrote:

On 26 Dec 2021 at 16:33, Dwight Deal wrote:

> I tried to send Logan McNatt a Christmas greeting and it came back. Logan,
> send me a private email. Thanks. DirtDoc

YIkes! Your post, with 3 replies on today's digest scared me with the thought 
that Lowgun had passed away...!

Alex



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Re: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos

[Reddell, James R]

Did they mention the treasure the aliens left when they made the cave?

James Cokendolpher and I described a new genus and species of troglobitic
Schizomida (Tayos ashmolei) from the cave.

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Mark 
Minton 
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 4:25 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; 'Southwestern 
Cavers of the National Speleological Society' 
Subject: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos


Interesting article about “the world’s most mysterious cave”: 
. The 
article mentions cavers needing to get both permission from the locals and the 
blessing of the cave itself, a scenario familiar to recent Huautla cavers. The 
cave appears to be huge, but surprisingly a geologist was quoted saying that it 
was only 25,000 – 30,000 years old. Also of note was that the recent visitors 
rappelled in, but were hauled out by the locals—up a 200-foot drop!



Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek update!

[Reddell, James R]

Mimi,

My very best wishes for Jim and you during this very difficult period. I hope 
to hear very good
news soon.

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Logan 

Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:25 AM
To: Mimi Jasek ; texascavers@texascavers.com 

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek update!

Mimi, I didn't see your messages about James until I got on the computer this 
morning. What a roller coaster ride you and he are on! I join everyone else in 
sending good healing thoughts for both of you. I hope your next message will 
have some positive news. Please tell him that I say hello and look forward to 
his next call.
Your friend,
Logan


On 5/8/2020 9:41 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:


Sorry y’all! I got this a bit before 7:00, then fell asleep for a while. Jim’s 
ICU nurse called with update before she left for all next week! They gave him a 
trial run of an hour breathing on his own, and he did so well they took the 
ventilator tube out!!! His throat is horribly sore, but he was talking. She 
called me back on her phone so he could hear me, and I sent him love and 
encouragement from everyone! His throat was too sore to answer me - just a 
little talking is all he can do - but she said he heard everything I said! 
Giving him potassium - forgot to ask why. She said he knew his name, that he 
was in the hospital, but could not remember why. One miracle at a time  Keep 
those prayers and good thoughts coming please! Still a long way to go, and test 
results we do not have, but this is a huge first step! Really 

Now I will sleep some more before calling for one last update tonight. Thank 
you to all of you in our amazing community who have reached out. It means more 
than you will ever know to both of us. Another update hopefully tomorrow.

Mimi

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Re: [Texascavers] John Fish photo

[Reddell, James R]

John was one of my closest friends while he was at UT and we made
many trips to caves in Texas and Mexico. He was kind, patient, and
understanding at all times. His dissertation on the El Abra is a classic
and I was so happy to see it finally published by the AMCS.

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of 
speodes...@gmail.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2019 1:21 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] John Fish photo

Well, you are Charlie.

William R. (Bill) Elliott
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Charles Loving 
mailto:lovingi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Another one of a kind. I guess we are all one of a kind?

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:01 AM Carl Kunath 
mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net>> wrote:


More sad news this morning.   John Fish has died.

After many years with no contact, with some urging and assistance, John came to 
the 2015 TCR
and old friendships were renewed.

Farewell to Juan Pescado.
We are diminished.

===Carl Kunath



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Charlie Loving
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Re: [Texascavers] Scott Harden obituary - 2015 :

[Reddell, James R]

accidentally hit send:

Scott Harden made numerous important collections of cave invertebrates in 
Texas. Four species have been
named for him:
 Mexiweckelia hardeni - amphipod
 Speocirolana hardeni  - isopod
 Lirceolus hardeni - isopod
 Texella hardeni - harvestman

He was the first Texas biologist to explore the interstitial fauna in the bed 
of creeks where he found
stygobitic flatworms, isopods, amphipods, and other fauna.

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of Reddell, 
James R 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 8:17 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Scott Harden obituary - 2015 :

Scott Harden made numerous important collections of cave invertebrates in 
Texas. Four species have been
named for him:
 Mexiweckelia hardeni - amphipod



From: Texascavers  on behalf of Jerry 

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:28 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Scott Harden obituary - 2015 :

>From Kurt Menking :

Scott Harden, and active Caver, Geologist, Biologist, Mountain climber, and a 
friend passed away last week.  He was a graduate from UT and a very active 
caver in the 70-80’s.  He spent a few years caving in the Austin area, made 
numerous trips to Mexico, then moved back to San Antonio, and was actively 
caving there for many years.

He spent many years caring for his ailing parent in the 90’s and up until his 
mom died in 2011.  His health had been declining over the past few years.  He 
constantly emailed his friends with humorous, goofy, and insulting emails 
numerous times each day, and when those emails stopped, and he wouldn’t answer 
his phone several of us were concerned.  One of his friends went to his house, 
and after he didn’t get a response, he called the police who eventually 
discovered Scott dead inside.

I am planning to host a memorial / celebration of his life at my house Saturday 
April 18th starting at 6:30pm.  Anyone interested please RSVP so we’ll know how 
to contact you with more details as we get closer.

Kurt
3/19/2015

See attached photo .

Jerry Atkinson.

-Original Message-
From: William R. Elliott 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2019 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Administrative BS

Preston, Carol and all,

Thanks for notifying me about departed cavers or, in one case, an epigrapher 
who worked in caves.

I really can't do much with that unless you can send me a write-up, document, 
link, or image. I spend a lot of time researching dead cavers as it is, and 
some day I will give it up and pass it on to someone. So I need help.

Does anyone know when Scott Harden died? I searched many years of AMCS, Texas 
Caver, NSS News, and found nothing about his death. I probably received an 
email a few years back when it happened, but my email address changed three 
times since then, so...

But I know these people mean something to many of us who were born in the last 
millenium...

Thank you,
William R. (Bill) Elliott
speodes...@gmail.com
573-291-5093 cell


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 1:17 PM PRESTON FORSYTHE  wrote:
Michael Coe, 90. Mayan codex, oldest western hemisphere book decoder, died.. 
"Book" found in a cave.


Preston Forsythe

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:06 AM, Logan
 wrote:
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Re: [Texascavers] Scott Harden obituary - 2015 :

[Reddell, James R]

Scott Harden made numerous important collections of cave invertebrates in 
Texas. Four species have been
named for him:
 Mexiweckelia hardeni - amphipod



From: Texascavers  on behalf of Jerry 

Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:28 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Scott Harden obituary - 2015 :

>From Kurt Menking :

Scott Harden, and active Caver, Geologist, Biologist, Mountain climber, and a 
friend passed away last week.  He was a graduate from UT and a very active 
caver in the 70-80’s.  He spent a few years caving in the Austin area, made 
numerous trips to Mexico, then moved back to San Antonio, and was actively 
caving there for many years.

He spent many years caring for his ailing parent in the 90’s and up until his 
mom died in 2011.  His health had been declining over the past few years.  He 
constantly emailed his friends with humorous, goofy, and insulting emails 
numerous times each day, and when those emails stopped, and he wouldn’t answer 
his phone several of us were concerned.  One of his friends went to his house, 
and after he didn’t get a response, he called the police who eventually 
discovered Scott dead inside.

I am planning to host a memorial / celebration of his life at my house Saturday 
April 18th starting at 6:30pm.  Anyone interested please RSVP so we’ll know how 
to contact you with more details as we get closer.

Kurt
3/19/2015

See attached photo .

Jerry Atkinson.

-Original Message-
From: William R. Elliott 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2019 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Administrative BS

Preston, Carol and all,

Thanks for notifying me about departed cavers or, in one case, an epigrapher 
who worked in caves.

I really can't do much with that unless you can send me a write-up, document, 
link, or image. I spend a lot of time researching dead cavers as it is, and 
some day I will give it up and pass it on to someone. So I need help.

Does anyone know when Scott Harden died? I searched many years of AMCS, Texas 
Caver, NSS News, and found nothing about his death. I probably received an 
email a few years back when it happened, but my email address changed three 
times since then, so...

But I know these people mean something to many of us who were born in the last 
millenium...

Thank you,
William R. (Bill) Elliott
speodes...@gmail.com
573-291-5093 cell


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 1:17 PM PRESTON FORSYTHE  wrote:
Michael Coe, 90. Mayan codex, oldest western hemisphere book decoder, died.. 
"Book" found in a cave.


Preston Forsythe

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:06 AM, Logan
 wrote:
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Re: [Texascavers] New material on The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers

[Reddell, James R]

I don't see Scott Harden's name on your list. George Veni probably has 
information.

James

From: Texascavers  on behalf of William R. 
Elliott 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 10:39 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] New material on The Hall of Texas and Mexico Cavers

Dear Texas Cavers,

Sorry that I won't be at the Texas Caver Reunion this year. However, I just 
posted nine additional biographies and obituaries on The Hall of Texas and 
Mexico Cavers at http://cavelife.info/hall/hall.htm   Mostly this goes back 
through 2007, but some are earlier.

Let's remember the 10th anniversary of these cavers passing away:

Ed Alexander, Dick Beauchamp, Jack Burch and Carl Ponebshek. New material on 
them was posted. I must thank Carl Kunath for publishing many obituaries in the 
Texas Caver over the years. With help from friends I also found more 
information on:

Marcia Cossey Littlestar (need her photo),  Louise Power (got an additional 
photo), Thomas Summers, and a recent death, Lee White.

I'm still lacking details on these lost cavers: Chip Carney, George Sevra and 
Jerry Cooke. See them listed with a few clues at the bottom of the web page.

I now have digital files of 20 years of the NSS News, all of the AMCS 
newsletters except the last three years, and some recent Texas Cavers.  I have 
special software that can rapidly search these files for the name of a person, 
cave, or area. So, this is useful for several things. Let me know if I can help.

Thanks all,

William R. (Bill) Elliott

speodes...@gmail.com

573-291-5093 cell
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