[SWR] New genus of bat described in Sudan
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[SWR] New genus of bat described in Sudan
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[SWR] New genus of bat described in Sudan
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Re: [SWR] NCKRI cover photo correction
Prehistoric mining of epsomite and mirabilite by Native Americans in the Mammoth Cave system and other caves in the Southeast has been thoroughly documented. Sometimes it was even consumed in situ for medicinal and/or ceremonial purgative effects. It is very likely that this occurred in the SW, too. Obviously any formations that disappeared historically were the victims of vandalism. But breakage or damage to the cave surface around the locations of these minerals might be prehistoric. Of course, vandalism would also destroy such evidence of prehistoric use. Probably not applicable in this case, but something to look out for. I would be interested to know of SW caves where these minerals occur or have been known to occur in quantity, particularly in conjunction with coprolites, or of any possible evidence for prehistoric mineral mining of any kind within our region's caves. Not to hijack the thread or anything. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] NCKRI cover photo correction
Prehistoric mining of epsomite and mirabilite by Native Americans in the Mammoth Cave system and other caves in the Southeast has been thoroughly documented. Sometimes it was even consumed in situ for medicinal and/or ceremonial purgative effects. It is very likely that this occurred in the SW, too. Obviously any formations that disappeared historically were the victims of vandalism. But breakage or damage to the cave surface around the locations of these minerals might be prehistoric. Of course, vandalism would also destroy such evidence of prehistoric use. Probably not applicable in this case, but something to look out for. I would be interested to know of SW caves where these minerals occur or have been known to occur in quantity, particularly in conjunction with coprolites, or of any possible evidence for prehistoric mineral mining of any kind within our region's caves. Not to hijack the thread or anything. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] NCKRI cover photo correction
Prehistoric mining of epsomite and mirabilite by Native Americans in the Mammoth Cave system and other caves in the Southeast has been thoroughly documented. Sometimes it was even consumed in situ for medicinal and/or ceremonial purgative effects. It is very likely that this occurred in the SW, too. Obviously any formations that disappeared historically were the victims of vandalism. But breakage or damage to the cave surface around the locations of these minerals might be prehistoric. Of course, vandalism would also destroy such evidence of prehistoric use. Probably not applicable in this case, but something to look out for. I would be interested to know of SW caves where these minerals occur or have been known to occur in quantity, particularly in conjunction with coprolites, or of any possible evidence for prehistoric mineral mining of any kind within our region's caves. Not to hijack the thread or anything. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [NMCAVER] Lava River Cave graffiti removal
Dear Ray, Since I added my own wiseass comment to Lee's original posting, I will comment here that I meant no disparagement to those cavers who worked on this important resto effort (or to any cavers on any resto project), or to the project itself. Rich Bohman is a good friend and a great caver, and I am sure that this resto effort was impeccable in every way. My comment was only directed at the reporter's lack of understanding that caves/lava tubes are located underground, and that was precisely the point to which I thought Lee was trying to draw our attention. I never thought Lee was knocking down the actual resto project, and I had no intention of doing so either. I do appreciate you sharing more info about the project; it sounds like a thorough and well-executed effort. More of that info should have been in the original article. If I offended you or any other cavers by my comment, I ask your forgiveness. Let he who is without sarcasm cast the first broken speleothem... Best, Scott -Original Message- From: nmcaver-boun...@caver.net [mailto:nmcaver-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Lee H. Skinner Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 10:59 PM To: Ray Keeler Cc: texascavers list; nmcaver list; Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] Lava River Cave graffiti removal Ray, "The cave is popular with tourists and was the site of an underground lava tube." I greatly applaud your work. It was quite an effort and very commendable. But I still think the wording of the last sentence of the article was funny. Sorry you're offended but since I still feel the wording is humorous, I can't retract or apologize for what I said or the way I said it. Regards, Lee Ray Keeler said: I must admit that I am a bit offended by Lee's comment below. There has been substantial graffiti placed in Lava River Cave over this last summer. 20 of us participated in the graffiti removal effort using the PCCP sandblasting equipment. Friday we laid 3900 feet of high pressure hose and tested it. Saturday we started from the back, where the tagging was the worst, and worked towards the entrance. Sunday we started before 9AM and cut off sandblasting at noon and extracted equipment. Rich Bohman coordinated underground activities and did a great job. The Coconino NF invested substantial resources, including law enforcement, administrative, signage, and two on-site rangers to help. We were able to clean all of the tags in the cave with the exception of two closest to the entrance, when we ran out of time. thanks, Ray ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Lava River Cave graffiti removal
ROTFLMFAO, Lee! I'll bet if they had a "surface" lava tube out there, that reporter would walk right by it... Scott ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Scientists Solve Wind Power's Mass Bat-Killing Problem
Maybe...60% less is less than optimum: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/09/scientists-solve-wind-power-mass-bat -killing-problem.phper_caver.net Check out the great picture of the Godzilla-sized bat attacking the wind farm. I'd like to visit the cave where that thing roosts, although I suppose it would mean some guano-snorkeling... ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] Underground Inn
That place is up here in my neck of the woods. I have never been there, but I have known all about it for years. I always kind of wondered about the radon levels in there... However, if anyone ever does want to have an actual regional up here, and maybe visit some of the caves just north of here around Durango-and do some ridgewalking up there, I am betting I can set that up with some of my caver pals in Durango. Just let me know and I will look into it. Can we have a NM regional in CO? For me, it's all the Four Corners... Scott Nicolay ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
Re: [NMCAVER] 100 uses of Seamgrip
In more traditional cultures, such as in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, JB Weld is kept in the secret men's society hut with the sacred flutes, and no woman is allowed to set eyes on any of these things. In fact, the women are told that the sound of the flutes when they are played is actually the sound of large flightless birds that will peck their eyes out if they go anywhere near the sacred hut. It is sad to see the breakdown of traditional values in our own society. From: jen . [mailto:bigredfo...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:11 PM To: matari...@frontiernet.net; jonbroh...@yahoo.com Cc: caveandletc...@yahoo.com; jhunder...@bayfield.k12.co.us; c...@fargate.net; caverf...@yahoo.com; nmcaver; pxmo...@hotmail.com; rand...@gmail.com Subject: RE: [NMCAVER] 100 uses of Seamgrip yeah, what would we do if men stopped fixing things? The recent male caver visitor I had from out east looked at me like I was crazy when I mentioned JB Weld. now I know its just a conspiracy and he wasn't dumb. argh, really I'll get back to packing and start driving soon Jon and Janae :) Jen > Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:46:59 + > From: matari...@frontiernet.net > To: jonbroh...@yahoo.com > CC: caveandletc...@yahoo.com; jhunder...@bayfield.k12.co.us; c...@fargate.net; caverf...@yahoo.com; nmca...@caver.net; pxmo...@hotmail.com; rand...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [NMCAVER] 100 uses of Seamgrip > > Jon, > > I am very concerned about you sharing secret male secret secrets with non-males. I believe we may have to call a tribunal. > > Ladies--please ignore Jon's demented blatherings about "duct tape and bailing wire". These products are have no use outside of taping ducts or bailing hay. And there is no such thing as "JB Weld", if he ever mentions that, either. It's a myth. These are all the ravings of a deranged mind. Just remember that men are simply better at fixing things, that's all. > > Jon, we'll deal with you later. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jon Broholm" > To: nmca...@caver.net, "Richard Bohman" , "Ryan Gosciejew" , "paul mozal" , "Randy Macan" , "Carrie Finn" , "Cordell Brown" , "Janae Hunderman" , "Scott Nicolay" > Sent: Friday, March 6, 2009 9:36:08 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain > Subject: 100 uses of Seamgrip > > > > 100 uses of Seamgrip, the old caver standby. If it does all the things that this says, it should be in the same class as duct tape and bailing wire. > > http://mcnett.baron-co.com/images/editor/100Uses.pdf > > - Jon Broholm > > > ___ > NMCAVER mailing list > nmca...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net Windows Live Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. Check it out. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[NMCAVER] Helicopter charters?
Has anybody out there ever used a chartered helicopter to visit remote cave locations? I'm guessing I would have heard about it if anyone had, but my momma taught me it never hurts to ask. I know it has been done in the Grand Canyon, but I believe that the fellow who did that is no longer alive. I would be especially interested in charters out of Silver City, Cruces, El Paso, or even Tucson. Affordable ones...those I have seen so far charge for an hour what I could maybe afford for a day. I don't suppose there are any cavers out there with a helicopter pilot's license? I would be grateful for any advice in this direction--please write back on or off list. Thanks, and cave softly, Scott Nicolay Shiprock, NM ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
