Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
It is still my goal to rotate the sites, but the BOG has the final say (as you saw this year). The biggest problem with the rotation is finding hosts. I still hope we can have a convention in Flagstaff one day. It was a good site, I just need people the region will accept to be the host group. Seeing different parts of the country, I have not been to before, is one of the pluses to going to convention. Carol From: Louise Power To: cti...@ymail.com; Preston Forsythe ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: "s...@caver.net" ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Hi Carol, Here's what I sent to Preston: Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! > >Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative >if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the >convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next >year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a >good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, >with the price of gas... > >Thanks for the info. Louise Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700 From: cti...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - >From: Louise Power >To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt >Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience > > >DD and all, > >Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). > >Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. > >Louise > > > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
It is still my goal to rotate the sites, but the BOG has the final say (as you saw this year). The biggest problem with the rotation is finding hosts. I still hope we can have a convention in Flagstaff one day. It was a good site, I just need people the region will accept to be the host group. Seeing different parts of the country, I have not been to before, is one of the pluses to going to convention. Carol From: Louise Power To: cti...@ymail.com; Preston Forsythe ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: "s...@caver.net" ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Hi Carol, Here's what I sent to Preston: Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! > >Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative >if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the >convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next >year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a >good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, >with the price of gas... > >Thanks for the info. Louise Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700 From: cti...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - >From: Louise Power >To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt >Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience > > >DD and all, > >Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). > >Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. > >Louise > > > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
It is still my goal to rotate the sites, but the BOG has the final say (as you saw this year). The biggest problem with the rotation is finding hosts. I still hope we can have a convention in Flagstaff one day. It was a good site, I just need people the region will accept to be the host group. Seeing different parts of the country, I have not been to before, is one of the pluses to going to convention. Carol From: Louise Power To: cti...@ymail.com; Preston Forsythe ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: "s...@caver.net" ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Hi Carol, Here's what I sent to Preston: Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! > >Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative >if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the >convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next >year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a >good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, >with the price of gas... > >Thanks for the info. Louise Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700 From: cti...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - >From: Louise Power >To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt >Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience > > >DD and all, > >Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). > >Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. > >Louise > > > > >
RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
Hi Carol, Here's what I sent to Preston: Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, with the price of gas... Thanks for the info. Louise Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700 From: cti...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise
RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
Hi Carol, Here's what I sent to Preston: Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, with the price of gas... Thanks for the info. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700 From: cti...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise
RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
Hi Carol, Here's what I sent to Preston: Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, with the price of gas... Thanks for the info. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700 From: cti...@ymail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - >From: Louise Power >To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt >Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience > > >DD and all, > >Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). > >Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. > >Louise > > > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - >From: Louise Power >To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt >Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience > > >DD and all, > >Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). > >Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. > >Louise > > > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. Their presentation was very impressive. Carol From: Preston Forsythe To: Louise Power ; Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - >From: Louise Power >To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt >Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience > > >DD and all, > >Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). > >Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. > >Louise > > > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise --
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise --
Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
Future NSS Convention Schedule. 2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle 2014-Huntsville, AL 2015-Rolla, Missouri 2016-Ely, Nevada. Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that east and west are relative. By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, including sound effects. Preston in Outer Browder - - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Dwight Deal ; Logan McNatt Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise --
RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:34:10 + From: dirt...@comcast.net To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged. We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths. One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the $25 that they could spare. DirtDoc From: "Logan McNatt" To: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in his private plane.
RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:34:10 + From: dirt...@comcast.net To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged. We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths. One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the $25 that they could spare. DirtDoc From: "Logan McNatt" To: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in his private plane.
RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
DD and all, Sounds like all the more reason to have the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the end of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). Isn't the NSS slogan: Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by all. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:34:10 + From: dirt...@comcast.net To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com CC: s...@caver.net; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged. We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths. One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the $25 that they could spare. DirtDoc From: "Logan McNatt" To: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in his private plane.
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
All: The loss of power at the awards presentation was unfortunate. No microphone meant no one could hear the presentations. As for light, cavers always have lights. A write up will appear in the convention issue of the NSS NEWS with all the winners. The best we can do. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt by the downed trees. We were fortunate that cavers were at the banquet. I saw cars and tents under the branches. One car has a 2+ft diameter tree trunk on top of it, and tents flattened . Bill Tozer In a message dated 7/2/2012 4:33:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, pjca...@gwi.net writes: I just want to add to George's statement that John Woods from California won the Arts and Letters Award this year for his work in photography and vertical training. Like many others, no one could hear the presentation. John most certainly deserved his moment, just as all the other recipients did. Sad for everyone who didn't get their acknowledgment. By the time most of them did, half the NSS was outside trying to hold onto their belongings and rescue other peoples' possessions. Once again, a typical NSS Convention with all the usual suspects…. Peter ___ SWR mailing list s...@just119.justhost.com http://just119.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
All: The loss of power at the awards presentation was unfortunate. No microphone meant no one could hear the presentations. As for light, cavers always have lights. A write up will appear in the convention issue of the NSS NEWS with all the winners. The best we can do. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt by the downed trees. We were fortunate that cavers were at the banquet. I saw cars and tents under the branches. One car has a 2+ft diameter tree trunk on top of it, and tents flattened . Bill Tozer In a message dated 7/2/2012 4:33:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, pjca...@gwi.net writes: I just want to add to George's statement that John Woods from California won the Arts and Letters Award this year for his work in photography and vertical training. Like many others, no one could hear the presentation. John most certainly deserved his moment, just as all the other recipients did. Sad for everyone who didn't get their acknowledgment. By the time most of them did, half the NSS was outside trying to hold onto their belongings and rescue other peoples' possessions. Once again, a typical NSS Convention with all the usual suspects…. Peter ___ SWR mailing list s...@just119.justhost.com http://just119.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
All: The loss of power at the awards presentation was unfortunate. No microphone meant no one could hear the presentations. As for light, cavers always have lights. A write up will appear in the convention issue of the NSS NEWS with all the winners. The best we can do. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt by the downed trees. We were fortunate that cavers were at the banquet. I saw cars and tents under the branches. One car has a 2+ft diameter tree trunk on top of it, and tents flattened . Bill Tozer In a message dated 7/2/2012 4:33:57 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, pjca...@gwi.net writes: I just want to add to George's statement that John Woods from California won the Arts and Letters Award this year for his work in photography and vertical training. Like many others, no one could hear the presentation. John most certainly deserved his moment, just as all the other recipients did. Sad for everyone who didn't get their acknowledgment. By the time most of them did, half the NSS was outside trying to hold onto their belongings and rescue other peoples' possessions. Once again, a typical NSS Convention with all the usual suspects…. Peter ___ SWR mailing list s...@just119.justhost.com http://just119.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged. We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths. One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the $25 that they could spare. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: "Logan McNatt" To: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in his private plane . ___ SWR mailing list s...@just119.justhost.com http://just119.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged. We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths. One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the $25 that they could spare. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: "Logan McNatt" To: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in his private plane . ___ SWR mailing list s...@just119.justhost.com http://just119.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
Yes, Logan, it was quite chaotic. I don't think any cavers were hurt but there must have been a fair amount of camping equipment damaged. We ended up being both resourceful and a little lucky, and enjoyed two excellent days touring the cave country of Virginia and West Virginia, showing Mary some of the places of one of my miss-spent youths. One of the bigger problems driving around in the powerless areas was that few had credit card capabilities, so if you did not have real cash you were out of luck. I saw that one gas station with a generator was limiting gas to $25 per customer, but it was cash only. I seemed that quite a number did not have the $25 that they could spare. DirtDoc - Original Message - From: "Logan McNatt" To: dirt...@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:15:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience Thanks for the update, Dwight. We've been getting spotty reports and photos through Facebook and from cavers who left early and missed the storm. Just talked to Geoff Hoese. Fortunately, he and Aimee Beveridge left on Thurs in his private plane . ___ SWR mailing list s...@just119.justhost.com http://just119.justhost.com/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
I just want to add to George's statement that John Woods from California won
the Arts and Letters Award this year for his work in photography and vertical
training. Like many others, no one could hear the presentation. John most
certainly deserved his moment, just as all the other recipients did. Sad for
everyone who didn't get their acknowledgment. By the time most of them did,
half the NSS was outside trying to hold onto their belongings and rescue other
peoples' possessions.
Once again, a typical NSS Convention with all the usual suspects….
Peter
On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:08 PM, George Veni wrote:
> I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I
> was luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived
> undamaged, dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's
> hydrology field trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my
> old friend Larry Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
>
> While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of
> my knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so
> much to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally
> proves my point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He
> was yelling into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the
> NSS' newest Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
>
> Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award
> recipients' names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed
> but greatly deserve.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave & Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>
> Sent by mobile phone.
>
>
>
> Original message
> Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
> From: dirt...@comcast.net
> To: Cave NM ,Cave Texas ,TAG Net
>
> CC:
>
>
>
> Sunday Evening
>
> We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
> convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
> DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in
> Lewisburg, went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started.
> The weather was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention
> weather fortune continued on Friday night!
>
> The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had
> finished eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new
> Fellows. Then, when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the
> Great Gust arrived, clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some
> tents over 1/4 mile - we later saw one flattened tent pinned against the
> fence around the Fair Grounds on the East side of the one-way road to the
> south (just south of the limbs of a huge fallen tree which blocked the
> highway). After the wind threatened the integrity of the doors to the
> banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
>
> All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were
> blocked by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an
> unexpectedly unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out
> to the one-way road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious
> route finding across much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for
> a powerless night. Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our
> cheery room, illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and
> partial power).
>
> ("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
>
> ("We are cavers", the reply.)
>
> The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in
> West Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was
> out everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It
> had been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica
> Rocks, Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north.
> All services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the
> owner had a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction
> and rapidly selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The
> batteries in the cell towers ran out and so did that service. Without power,
> o
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
I just want to add to George's statement that John Woods from California won
the Arts and Letters Award this year for his work in photography and vertical
training. Like many others, no one could hear the presentation. John most
certainly deserved his moment, just as all the other recipients did. Sad for
everyone who didn't get their acknowledgment. By the time most of them did,
half the NSS was outside trying to hold onto their belongings and rescue other
peoples' possessions.
Once again, a typical NSS Convention with all the usual suspects….
Peter
On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:08 PM, George Veni wrote:
> I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I
> was luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived
> undamaged, dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's
> hydrology field trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my
> old friend Larry Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
>
> While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of
> my knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so
> much to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally
> proves my point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He
> was yelling into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the
> NSS' newest Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
>
> Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award
> recipients' names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed
> but greatly deserve.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave & Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>
> Sent by mobile phone.
>
>
>
> Original message
> Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
> From: dirt...@comcast.net
> To: Cave NM ,Cave Texas ,TAG Net
>
> CC:
>
>
>
> Sunday Evening
>
> We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
> convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
> DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in
> Lewisburg, went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started.
> The weather was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention
> weather fortune continued on Friday night!
>
> The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had
> finished eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new
> Fellows. Then, when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the
> Great Gust arrived, clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some
> tents over 1/4 mile - we later saw one flattened tent pinned against the
> fence around the Fair Grounds on the East side of the one-way road to the
> south (just south of the limbs of a huge fallen tree which blocked the
> highway). After the wind threatened the integrity of the doors to the
> banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
>
> All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were
> blocked by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an
> unexpectedly unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out
> to the one-way road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious
> route finding across much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for
> a powerless night. Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our
> cheery room, illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and
> partial power).
>
> ("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
>
> ("We are cavers", the reply.)
>
> The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in
> West Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was
> out everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It
> had been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica
> Rocks, Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north.
> All services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the
> owner had a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction
> and rapidly selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The
> batteries in the cell towers ran out and so did that service. Without power,
> o
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
I just want to add to George's statement that John Woods from California won
the Arts and Letters Award this year for his work in photography and vertical
training. Like many others, no one could hear the presentation. John most
certainly deserved his moment, just as all the other recipients did. Sad for
everyone who didn't get their acknowledgment. By the time most of them did,
half the NSS was outside trying to hold onto their belongings and rescue other
peoples' possessions.
Once again, a typical NSS Convention with all the usual suspects….
Peter
On Jul 1, 2012, at 11:08 PM, George Veni wrote:
> I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I
> was luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived
> undamaged, dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's
> hydrology field trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my
> old friend Larry Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
>
> While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of
> my knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so
> much to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally
> proves my point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He
> was yelling into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the
> NSS' newest Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
>
> Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award
> recipients' names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed
> but greatly deserve.
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave & Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>
> Sent by mobile phone.
>
>
>
> Original message
> Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
> From: dirt...@comcast.net
> To: Cave NM ,Cave Texas ,TAG Net
>
> CC:
>
>
>
> Sunday Evening
>
> We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
> convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
> DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in
> Lewisburg, went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started.
> The weather was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention
> weather fortune continued on Friday night!
>
> The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had
> finished eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new
> Fellows. Then, when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the
> Great Gust arrived, clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some
> tents over 1/4 mile - we later saw one flattened tent pinned against the
> fence around the Fair Grounds on the East side of the one-way road to the
> south (just south of the limbs of a huge fallen tree which blocked the
> highway). After the wind threatened the integrity of the doors to the
> banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
>
> All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were
> blocked by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an
> unexpectedly unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out
> to the one-way road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious
> route finding across much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for
> a powerless night. Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our
> cheery room, illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and
> partial power).
>
> ("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
>
> ("We are cavers", the reply.)
>
> The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in
> West Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was
> out everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It
> had been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica
> Rocks, Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north.
> All services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the
> owner had a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction
> and rapidly selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The
> batteries in the cell towers ran out and so did that service. Without power,
> o
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I was
luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived undamaged,
dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's hydrology field
trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my old friend Larry
Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of my
knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so much
to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally proves my
point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He was yelling
into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the NSS' newest
Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award recipients'
names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed but greatly
deserve.
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave & Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
Sent by mobile phone.
---- Original message --------
Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: Cave NM ,Cave Texas ,TAG Net
CC:
Sunday Evening
We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in Lewisburg,
went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started. The weather
was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention weather
fortune continued on Friday night!
The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had finished
eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new Fellows. Then,
when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the Great Gust arrived,
clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some tents over 1/4 mile - we
later saw one flattened tent pinned against the fence around the Fair Grounds
on the East side of the one-way road to the south (just south of the limbs of a
huge fallen tree which blocked the highway). After the wind threatened the
integrity of the doors to the banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were blocked
by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an unexpectedly
unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out to the one-way
road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious route finding across
much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for a powerless night.
Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our cheery room,
illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and partial power).
("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
("We are cavers", the reply.)
The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in West
Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was out
everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It had
been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica Rocks,
Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north. All
services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the owner had
a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction and rapidly
selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The batteries in the cell
towers ran out and so did that service. Without power, of course there was no
internet. We found lunch in Elkins by going to the hospital cafeteria. (Bright
idea, Mary!)
Our thought was that we would not have any problems once we got east into
Virginia. Bad thought. Most of Harrisonburg and Staunton were either without
power or running on half-power(120 V, not 240v). What few hotels that had
power were swamped with people fleeing their homes. It was HOT! We managed to
find one OK motel with power and AC in a rural suburb, and scored the last room.
This morning we found the local conditions somewhat improved, topped off with
gas, and headed back west across Shenandoah Mountain to the Cowpasture Valley,
Hot Springs, and Covington. Wonderful rural driving on another beautiful day.
Mary had heard me talk about wonderful West Virginia and this part of Virginia,
and was properly impressed. Power also still out in Covington and Clifton
Forge.
Power seems restored around Richmond and Williamsburg, although the rural areas
are still out. We expect to fly out of Richmond on Tuesday. It looks as if
airlines
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I was
luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived undamaged,
dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's hydrology field
trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my old friend Larry
Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of my
knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so much
to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally proves my
point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He was yelling
into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the NSS' newest
Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award recipients'
names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed but greatly
deserve.
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave & Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
Sent by mobile phone.
---- Original message --------
Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: Cave NM ,Cave Texas ,TAG Net
CC:
Sunday Evening
We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in Lewisburg,
went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started. The weather
was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention weather
fortune continued on Friday night!
The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had finished
eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new Fellows. Then,
when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the Great Gust arrived,
clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some tents over 1/4 mile - we
later saw one flattened tent pinned against the fence around the Fair Grounds
on the East side of the one-way road to the south (just south of the limbs of a
huge fallen tree which blocked the highway). After the wind threatened the
integrity of the doors to the banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were blocked
by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an unexpectedly
unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out to the one-way
road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious route finding across
much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for a powerless night.
Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our cheery room,
illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and partial power).
("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
("We are cavers", the reply.)
The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in West
Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was out
everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It had
been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica Rocks,
Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north. All
services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the owner had
a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction and rapidly
selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The batteries in the cell
towers ran out and so did that service. Without power, of course there was no
internet. We found lunch in Elkins by going to the hospital cafeteria. (Bright
idea, Mary!)
Our thought was that we would not have any problems once we got east into
Virginia. Bad thought. Most of Harrisonburg and Staunton were either without
power or running on half-power(120 V, not 240v). What few hotels that had
power were swamped with people fleeing their homes. It was HOT! We managed to
find one OK motel with power and AC in a rural suburb, and scored the last room.
This morning we found the local conditions somewhat improved, topped off with
gas, and headed back west across Shenandoah Mountain to the Cowpasture Valley,
Hot Springs, and Covington. Wonderful rural driving on another beautiful day.
Mary had heard me talk about wonderful West Virginia and this part of Virginia,
and was properly impressed. Power also still out in Covington and Clifton
Forge.
Power seems restored around Richmond and Williamsburg, although the rural areas
are still out. We expect to fly out of Richmond on Tuesday. It looks as if
airlines
Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
I've just flown back to El Paso from DC and am driving home to Carlsbad. I was
luckier than most, having camped in my rental car which survived undamaged,
dry, and with a full tank of gas that let me enjoy Saturday's hydrology field
trip and reach DC without any problem. There I stayed with my old friend Larry
Cohen whose neighborhood was an island of electrical power.
While we're incredibly lucky no caver was hurt in the storm (to the best of my
knowledge), the timing was terrible for the many people who have given so much
to caving and missed their moment of recognition. Dwight accidentally proves my
point in mentioning Art Palmer's award. Art didn't get an award. He was yelling
into the dark banquet hall, describing the accomplishments of the NSS' newest
Honorary Member Dr. Pavel Bosak of the Czech Republic.
Look in the NSS News in a couple of months to see all of the award recipients'
names, and make sure to give them the pat on the back they missed but greatly
deserve.
George
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave & Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org
Sent by mobile phone.
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Subject: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention - one experience
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: Cave NM ,Cave Texas ,TAG Net
CC:
Sunday Evening
We are still in the Great Eastern Power Outage. For those NOT at the
convention in Lewisburg, The power from Ohio through West Virginia, Virginia,
DC, Rhode Island and parts of New Jersey and North Carolina, and, in Lewisburg,
went out just as the awards ceremonies at the NSS Banquet started. The weather
was hot but otherwise wonderful all week, but the NSS convention weather
fortune continued on Friday night!
The power went out and killed the projectors and sound after most had finished
eating, and speakers bravely shoutedawards the names of the new Fellows. Then,
when Art Palmer rose to accept his well-deserved award, the Great Gust arrived,
clearing the campground (literally) and blowing some tents over 1/4 mile - we
later saw one flattened tent pinned against the fence around the Fair Grounds
on the East side of the one-way road to the south (just south of the limbs of a
huge fallen tree which blocked the highway). After the wind threatened the
integrity of the doors to the banquet hall, the ceremonies deteriorated further.
All roads from the "normal" exit from our part of the Fair Grounds were blocked
by numerous fallen trees. By some devious route-finding (and an unexpectedly
unlocked gate), we found our way across the Fair Grounds and out to the one-way
road on the other side, heading north. A bit more devious route finding across
much lesser streets got us successfully to our hotel for a powerless night.
Hotel operators wringing their hands were amazed by our cheery room,
illuminated by several 200-lumen headlamps (operating on low and partial power).
("Where did you get that??!!", they asked.)
("We are cavers", the reply.)
The next day was also beautiful (Saturday) but the extent of the outage in West
Virginia became apparent - it was NOT just Lewisburg. Refrigeration was out
everywhere, as was all power for any services, including pumping gas. It had
been our plan to re-visit haunts from 56 years ago around Cass, Senica Rocks,
Germany Valley, and Franklin. We had a full tank so headed north. All
services were out. We found one or two rural gas stations where the owner had
a generator, and the lines were 50 plus cars from each direction and rapidly
selling out of whatever gas they had in their tanks. The batteries in the cell
towers ran out and so did that service. Without power, of course there was no
internet. We found lunch in Elkins by going to the hospital cafeteria. (Bright
idea, Mary!)
Our thought was that we would not have any problems once we got east into
Virginia. Bad thought. Most of Harrisonburg and Staunton were either without
power or running on half-power(120 V, not 240v). What few hotels that had
power were swamped with people fleeing their homes. It was HOT! We managed to
find one OK motel with power and AC in a rural suburb, and scored the last room.
This morning we found the local conditions somewhat improved, topped off with
gas, and headed back west across Shenandoah Mountain to the Cowpasture Valley,
Hot Springs, and Covington. Wonderful rural driving on another beautiful day.
Mary had heard me talk about wonderful West Virginia and this part of Virginia,
and was properly impressed. Power also still out in Covington and Clifton
Forge.
Power seems restored around Richmond and Williamsburg, although the rural areas
are still out. We expect to fly out of Richmond on Tuesday. It looks as if
airlines
