Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Jules Jenkins]

My apologies, this is a lengthy response, please indulge me. 🙏✍️

I did shoot the photo and likely every photo taken with William in Blowing. In 
fact, almost a decade of photos of Blowing and numerous other caves in S Austin 
and Hays Co. that William and I worked in. I suspect the photo came from one of 
a few sources within various COA departments that William and I worked with. 
William & I produced several reports on various caves located on COA Water 
Quality Protection Lands. Those reports are property of the COA. 
I think we’re all pretty much aware of how info gets convoluted over time (even 
among caver reports & stories😊) and then there are always staff changes within 
any bureaucracy. I’m happy to contact the few folks who are still with the 
departments that know about Blowing Sink & our work. I’m also happy to contact 
the Public Info person and put them in contact with someone still in those 
departments who knows the accurate info. 
Many of those city staff folks who knew have now retired and new folks don’t 
know where to even look for accurate documentation within their departments. I 
feel confident that the person contacted by Ken Herman was scrambling to get 
‘any’ info and was probably put on the spot to do so. 
We really can’t expect the non caving community to know the information, unless 
they are a caver ‘in the know’ or they know the appropriate department staff 
person to contact. A Public Info staff person isn’t the right person to contact 
about Williams Preserve at this time because since it’s renaming & after 
numerous meetings I’ve had with City Council & staff, the Preserve is under a 
couple of different departments and between those departments they’re trying to 
hammer out responsibilities, possible usage & preservation efforts going 
forward. Currently there is a lack of clear info and direction for Williams 
Preserve. 
Ok, thanks 

On an upbeat note, 
I spent nearly 1  year working to get another COA Water Quality tract renamed 
for a person who also gave so much to the city and yet it only took 1 City 
Council meeting to have the Blowing tract renamed for William and his 
invaluable knowledge that the COA gained through all of our efforts on the COA 
lands. That is Unprecedented and Hooray for cavers.
 Now there are several cavers working for the city to assist with cave efforts 
and provide accurate information about Austin caves.

Thanks for reading this lengthy explanation.

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 

 Lighten up, people.  Inform the public info person for the preserve — SHE got 
it wrong.  And i have no idea where the picture came from (jules, have you 
donated your pix to TSS with documentation?)
k
> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:22 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
> 
> You need to know that the people you contact actually have the proper 
> information. That's no doubt not always obvious, but in this case, the UT 
> Grotto has been around for decades, and William Russell was a long-term 
> member, so it seems like a no-brainer to contact someone there.
> 
> Mark Minton
> mmin...@caver.net
> 
>> On 2019-10-21 20:57, Amy Jasek wrote:
>> "That’s the cool thing
>> about journalism. You don’t
>> really have to know stuff.
>> You only have to know how
>> to contact people who know
>> stuff."
>> Jeez
>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM  wrote:
>>> Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
>>> contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave
>>> versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the
>>> original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research
>>> Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original
>>> name of the preserve.
>>> Mark Minton
>>> mmin...@caver.net
 On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
 Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
 Pdf attached
 katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Logan]

  
  

Everyone please look at the link below to give
you another, more favorable perspective of Ken Herman. He had
previously written another story about a mysterious stone
sculpture on Whirlpool Cave Preserve. He contacted TCMA
President John Brooks, and I called Don Broussard to let him
know about it. I met Don and Ken at the Preserve. I don't
remember seeing the video before tonight--it's a good one of
Don. And Ken certainly did his homework on this story.
  
  
https://www.statesman.com/news/20160903/herman-the-mystery-of-wodins-throne
  
  Logan
  
  
  On 10/21/2019 11:11  PM, Katherine Arens wrote


  
  Lighten up, people.  Inform the public info person for the
  preserve — SHE got it wrong.  And i have no idea where the picture
  came  (jules, have you donated your pix to TSS with
  documentation?)
  k

  
On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:22 PM, 
mmin...@caver.net wrote:


  You need to know that the people you contact
actually have the proper information. That's no doubt
not always obvious, but in this case, the UT Grotto has
been around for decades, and William Russell was a
long-term member, so it seems like a no-brainer to
contact someone there.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On 2019-10-21 20:57, Amy Jasek wrote:
"That’s the cool thing
  about journalism. You don’t
  really have to know stuff.
  You only have to know how
  to contact people who know
  stuff."
  Jeez
  On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM
   wrote:
  Interesting that the
author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about
the name of the cave
versus the name of the preserve. The article twice
stated that the
original name of the cave system was the Blowing
Sink Research
Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was
the original
name of the preserve.
Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net
On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
Thanks to Logan
  McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper
  yet).
  Pdf attached
  katie

  

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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Katherine Arens]

Lighten up, people.  Inform the public info person for the preserve — SHE got 
it wrong.  And i have no idea where the picture came from (jules, have you 
donated your pix to TSS with documentation?)
k
On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:22 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:

You need to know that the people you contact actually have the proper 
information. That's no doubt not always obvious, but in this case, the UT 
Grotto has been around for decades, and William Russell was a long-term member, 
so it seems like a no-brainer to contact someone there.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On 2019-10-21 20:57, Amy Jasek wrote:
"That’s the cool thing
about journalism. You don’t
really have to know stuff.
You only have to know how
to contact people who know
stuff."
Jeez
On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM  wrote:
Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave
versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the
original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research
Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original
name of the preserve.
Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net
On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
Pdf attached
katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[jerryatkin]

Not just in journalism, but life in general. Being smart does not mean knowing 
everything about everything but rather the intelligence to know where to look 
for answers, and the ability to determine diamonds from manure. 

Jerry.

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> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:21 PM, Amy Jasek  wrote:
> 
> Totally agree! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:22 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
>> 
>> You need to know that the people you contact actually have the proper 
>> information. That's no doubt not always obvious, but in this case, the UT 
>> Grotto has been around for decades, and William Russell was a long-term 
>> member, so it seems like a no-brainer to contact someone there.
>> 
>> Mark Minton
>> mmin...@caver.net
>> 
>>> On 2019-10-21 20:57, Amy Jasek wrote:
>>> "That’s the cool thing
>>> about journalism. You don’t
>>> really have to know stuff.
>>> You only have to know how
>>> to contact people who know
>>> stuff."
>>> Jeez
 On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM  wrote:
 Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
 contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave
 versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the
 original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research
 Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original
 name of the preserve.
 Mark Minton
 mmin...@caver.net
> On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
> Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
> Pdf attached
> katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Amy Jasek]

Totally agree! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 8:22 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
> 
> You need to know that the people you contact actually have the proper 
> information. That's no doubt not always obvious, but in this case, the UT 
> Grotto has been around for decades, and William Russell was a long-term 
> member, so it seems like a no-brainer to contact someone there.
> 
> Mark Minton
> mmin...@caver.net
> 
>> On 2019-10-21 20:57, Amy Jasek wrote:
>> "That’s the cool thing
>> about journalism. You don’t
>> really have to know stuff.
>> You only have to know how
>> to contact people who know
>> stuff."
>> Jeez
>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM  wrote:
>>> Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
>>> contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave
>>> versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the
>>> original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research
>>> Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original
>>> name of the preserve.
>>> Mark Minton
>>> mmin...@caver.net
 On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
 Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
 Pdf attached
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[mminton]

You need to know that the people you contact actually have the proper 
information. That's no doubt not always obvious, but in this case, the 
UT Grotto has been around for decades, and William Russell was a 
long-term member, so it seems like a no-brainer to contact someone 
there.


Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On 2019-10-21 20:57, Amy Jasek wrote:

"That’s the cool thing
about journalism. You don’t
really have to know stuff.
You only have to know how
to contact people who know
stuff."

Jeez

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM  wrote:


Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the 
cave

versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the
original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research
Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original
name of the preserve.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:

Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
Pdf attached
katie

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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Amy Jasek]

"That’s the cool thing
about journalism. You don’t
really have to know stuff.
You only have to know how
to contact people who know
stuff."

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On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 5:10 PM  wrote:

> Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never
> contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave
> versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the
> original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research
> Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original name of
> the preserve.
>
> Mark Minton
> mmin...@caver.net
>
> On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
> > Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
> > Pdf attached
> > katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Jon Cradit]

It sounds like a letter to the editor is due.
Otherwise they will never know these issues.

Jon






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...And I saw no credit for the photo that I took.
Jules

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 5:10 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
>

Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never contacted 
any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave versus the name 
of the preserve. The article twice stated that the original name of the cave 
system was the Blowing Sink Research Management Area. He meant, of course, that 
that was the original name of the preserve.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

> On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
> Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
> Pdf attached
> katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[Jules Jenkins]

...And I saw no credit for the photo that I took.
Jules 

> On Oct 20, 2019, at 5:10 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:
> 

Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never contacted 
any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave versus the name 
of the preserve. The article twice stated that the original name of the cave 
system was the Blowing Sink Research Management Area. He meant, of course, that 
that was the original name of the preserve.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

> On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:
> Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
> Pdf attached
> katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Article on Blowing Sink in Today's Austin American Statesman

[mminton]

Interesting that the author of that piece on Blowing Sink Cave never 
contacted any cavers. He seems to be confused about the name of the cave 
versus the name of the preserve. The article twice stated that the 
original name of the cave system was the Blowing Sink Research 
Management Area. He meant, of course, that that was the original name of 
the preserve.


Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On 2019-10-20 14:33, Katherine Arens wrote:

Thanks to Logan McNatt for pointing it out (hadn’t read paper yet).
Pdf attached
katie

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