[Texascavers] Oztotl story ?

[David]

>From David Locklear

If you have no interest in Oztotl stories, nor my personal tragedies,
please, please hit delete button as hard as you can.



When I was trying to hitch-hike home in the blazing sun from the NSS
Convention, Oztotl and I had a little one-on-one chat.
_
Me:   Give me a break, dude, or ma'am.
Oztotl: this misery is to prepare you for something I am cooking up far
worse.
_

Well, I assumed that moment or day finally arrived Thursday, as it was my
worst day of the year - that is, until today.

This morning shortly after midnight, a state trooper followed me and
allegedly wrote me a warning for a dirty license plate, but he wrote on the
warning "speeding."   I swallowed his jagged little pill hoping to get on
my way, but my 6th Sense smelled something rotten from the get-go.

He cuffed me and put me in the front seat, and we waited for the DA to
confirm charges.  He said, that he would let me go in 5 minutes - if they
did not respond, and 3 minutes passed.   And then the DA agreed to the
false charges.  So my beloved Sequoia went to the pound.

After 15 hours in the newly built county detention center with smelley
strange people, I can only say that that experience was less misery than
being married.

Since I knew I was being railroaded by rogue gov't agents, I had to just
play dumb for 15 hours, which is one of my fortes.

My Spanish was no help in county jail, as the inmates were mostly very
disenfranchised Ebonics speakers.

Getting my beloved Sequoia out of the pound on the same day was an enormous
feat.  My Spanish and Oztotl's protection saved me on that task.

Life is back to "my normal."

I got out of jail free ( without an attorney ), but the overall cost of
getting the Sequoia, was right at $ 200.

I never found out during the 15 hours of misery in the detention center,
what this was about.   Was it some cyberbully thing ?  I was worried it
might have something to do with the caver-girl I had been trying to help,
and that thought made me sad.   I thought it might be some evil scheme from
my estranged-wife, and that thought worried me.  15 hours of racking my
brain in misery, with people - almost as insane as me.   I even considered
a caver might hold a grudge for my persistent spam.

But after I got released, I called an attorney and he found out it was
false charges filed by a crazy-lady that I had tried to serve papers on
back in February.   Why nobody ever contacted me about that, is ludicrous
and corrupt.  And the jerkwad attorney never paid me for a week's worth of
work on that.

Anyways, as of Saturday, July 20th, I have still never been in a jail cell,
nor a jail-suit, nor the back of a patrol-car, nor had my Miranda Rights
red to me.   But I have had to deal with a whole lot of b.s., far beyond my
pay-scale.

I still have to lawyer-up and fight the false charges.  But I sense or have
a false-sense of hope, that the local lawyer's association will take an
interest in this, as it is beyond ludicrous.   I do not think that it even
makes the Top 20 of my tragedies.  I will be incensed if they give me
community service.

Had I known about the four-month-old warrant, it was only $ 100, and there
would have been an easy way for the attorney to void it all in advance.

The moral to the story is that being a process server is a huge scam.  The
industry is propagated by people in gov't and attorneys who all have
nefarious intentions.

D.L.



P.S.

I am going to miss the caver-garage-sale

The county intake officer asked me to sign an affidavit that I do not hear
voices in my head.  LOL !
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[Texascavers] Oztotl related

[David]

Today I am sitting around whining, pouting, frowning, pondering, etc.

When suddenly Oztotl spoke directly to me like a giant herd of
lightening-bolts across the sky.

Laying next a dumpster was an abandoned roof-rack.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3qp7apqytn4rskh/Tentative-Roof-Rack.jpg?dl=0

Fortunately, I had plenty of webbing in my Sequoia to strap it down.

I am pretty sure whoever abandoned it had hopes that someone like me would
come along.  ( Pretty sure they purposely abandoned it. )

So now the big question is, what is Oztotl really saying to me ?

Is he or she saying, "throw your gear on top and high-tail it to Montana" ?

Or is he saying,

"Plan for a rainy-day when you might need a roof-rack" ?

Or is he saying, "Give it to a real caver" ?

David Locklear
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[Texascavers] Oztotl helmet for sale

[David via Texascavers]

Whose helmet was this ??

https://picclick.com/Vintage-Climb-High-Rock-Climber-Helmet-Climbing-Caving-232480906772.html

( The old white helmet )
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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl not a Mayan god!

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Dear Sleaze:
Donald Foxhall an old seas dog and caver is in Belize building a mansion to
retire in. Not sure where but I betcha you could find him. As for that
hotel. Ethnomusicologist Emory Whipple and I stayed there in 1969. And
those silly Gurkhas were there then to and some British MP's that stopped a
big brawl between the regular Brits soldiers and a bunch of locals over
something.

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Sleazeweazel via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

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> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:02:57 -0400
> Subject: Oztotl not a Mayan god!
> So I'm palling it up with my pistol packing ranger buddy Canti (which
> means "snake" in Kekchi) and I ask if he knows about Oztotl and pays him
> the proper respect by throwing virgins into cenotes, etc. He screwed up his
> nose and said, "That's not a Mayan word, certainly not Kekchi, sounds more
> like Toltec to me. Those damned Mexicans have been bothering us for the
> last couple of thousand years and we keep getting blamed for their barbaric
> habits! We might have torn the hearts out of sacrificial victims with
> obsidian knives but we never ate them!"
>
> These short necked people never cease to amaze me with their intelligence
> and insight. It is normal for Belizean Mayans to speak at least four
> languages, Kekchi (plus Mopan and Yucatec), Spanish, English, and Creole.
> One of Canti's friends back in the home village can speak seven languages
> including Chinese even though he never went to school. As for Hell the
> concept is still current. Everybody knows about Xibalba (she BAL ba) and
> expects to go there soon. It turns out that only the anteroom of Hell is a
> scary place, after you get deep enough you are in Heaven!
>
> But enough about smart people. This morning I crossed the flood swollen
> Bladen in a canoe, and now I'm back in the real Belize which is to say the
> funky little coastal town of Punta Gorda better known as PeeGee. The
> culture is Garifuna which means that dreadlocked zombies stare out at the
> sea all day long while smoking spliffs and mumbling in broken Creole about
> Jah.
>
> When I got out of the bus I looked up and there by the sea side was the
> rotting remnant of the old Hotel Isabel, an enormous wooden structure
> which hangs over both the Caribbean sea and Front street. Twenty seven
> years ago I stumbled into PeeGee more dead than alive. The Hotel Isabel was
> already a rotting hulk but was open for business so I checked in and
> procured a stinking bug infested cubical on the second floor. Things were
> quiet since it was early afternoon. I staggered down the street to a
> Chinese restaurant and had their special poison soup with rotten meat.
> Thereafter I collapsed in my room and didn't wake up until after dark.
>
> When I awoke I had no idea where I was or what was going on but I could
> sense that there were countless people in my immediate proximity. The wall
> by my head was creaking, groaning, and bouncing, and I could hear numerous
> voices in an unknown language. When I opened the door I discovered an
> entire contingent of Gurkha soldiers awaiting their turn to be serviced by
> two Guatemalan girls who had the room next to mine, hence the thumping and
> bumping.
>
> I headed for the back porch to vomit and there discovered so many Rastas
> that a huge blue cloud of ganja smoke drifted over the sea. The Rastas
> would not leave me alone so I retreated to the front porch where the some
> of the Gurkhas had gone for a post coital smoke (tobacco not ganja). In the
> street below there were a handful of violently drunken British soldiers who
> were taunting the Gurkhas and daring them to fight. The Gurkhas were
> remarkably polite for professional killers but they couldn't help but
> finger their kukrie knives and one fellow even begged his commander
> to"please please pretty please let me kill just one of them!"
>
> I passed out again, then when I woke up it was nearly dawn but the noise
> hadn't stopped, it had simply been replaced by the cries of the Salvadorean
> children's refugee chorus who had moved into the room vacated by the
> exhausted Guatemalan girls. Starving children make terrible noises, it is
> best to simply smother them. I was going to do just that when an
> inexplicable event occurred, work. No one ever works in Belize, especially
> at dawn, but nevertheless someone decided to replace the rotting wooden
> planks of the outside wall by nailing on sheet metal. This was happening
> inches from my head and completely drowned out the children. That was when
> I discovered that my entire body was covered with bedbug bites. 

[Texascavers] Oztotl not a Mayan god!

[Sleazeweazel via Texascavers]

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So I'm palling it up with my pistol packing ranger buddy Canti (which means 
"snake" in Kekchi) and I ask if he knows about Oztotl and pays him the proper 
respect by throwing virgins into cenotes, etc. He screwed up his nose and said, 
"That's not a Mayan word, certainly not Kekchi, sounds more like Toltec to me. 
Those damned Mexicans have been bothering us for the last couple of thousand 
years and we keep getting blamed for their barbaric habits! We might have torn 
the hearts out of sacrificial victims with obsidian knives but we never ate 
them!" 

These short necked people never cease to amaze me with their intelligence and 
insight. It is normal for Belizean Mayans to speak at least four languages, 
Kekchi (plus Mopan and Yucatec), Spanish, English, and Creole. One of Canti's 
friends back in the home village can speak seven languages including Chinese 
even though he never went to school. As for Hell the concept is still current. 
Everybody knows about Xibalba (she BAL ba) and expects to go there soon. It 
turns out that only the anteroom of Hell is a scary place, after you get deep 
enough you are in Heaven!

But enough about smart people. This morning I crossed the flood swollen Bladen 
in a canoe, and now I'm back in the real Belize which is to say the funky 
little coastal town of Punta Gorda better known as PeeGee. The culture is 
Garifuna which means that dreadlocked zombies stare out at the sea all day long 
while smoking spliffs and mumbling in broken Creole about Jah. 

When I got out of the bus I looked up and there by the sea side was the rotting 
remnant of the old Hotel Isabel, an enormous wooden structure which hangs over 
both the Caribbean sea and Front street. Twenty seven years ago I stumbled into 
PeeGee more dead than alive. The Hotel Isabel was already a rotting hulk but 
was open for business so I checked in and procured a stinking bug infested 
cubical on the second floor. Things were quiet since it was early afternoon. I 
staggered down the street to a Chinese restaurant and had their special poison 
soup with rotten meat. Thereafter I collapsed in my room and didn't wake up 
until after dark.

When I awoke I had no idea where I was or what was going on but I could sense 
that there were countless people in my immediate proximity. The wall by my head 
was creaking, groaning, and bouncing, and I could hear numerous voices in an 
unknown language. When I opened the door I discovered an entire contingent of 
Gurkha soldiers awaiting their turn to be serviced by two Guatemalan girls who 
had the room next to mine, hence the thumping and bumping. 

I headed for the back porch to vomit and there discovered so many Rastas that a 
huge blue cloud of ganja smoke drifted over the sea. The Rastas would not leave 
me alone so I retreated to the front porch where the some of the Gurkhas had 
gone for a post coital smoke (tobacco not ganja). In the street below there 
were a handful of violently drunken British soldiers who were taunting the 
Gurkhas and daring them to fight. The Gurkhas were remarkably polite for 
professional killers but they couldn't help but finger their kukrie knives and 
one fellow even begged his commander to"please please pretty please let me kill 
just one of them!" 

I passed out again, then when I woke up it was nearly dawn but the noise hadn't 
stopped, it had simply been replaced by the cries of the Salvadorean children's 
refugee chorus who had moved into the room vacated by the exhausted Guatemalan 
girls. Starving children make terrible noises, it is best to simply smother 
them. I was going to do just that when an inexplicable event occurred, work. No 
one ever works in Belize, especially at dawn, but nevertheless someone decided 
to replace the rotting wooden planks of the outside wall by nailing on sheet 
metal. This was happening inches from my head and completely drowned out the 
children. That was when I discovered that my entire body was covered with 
bedbug bites. I fled and did not returned until today.

The hotel Isabel is still standing but barely. In the shade of the front porch 
I could see the huddled forms of various swarthy degenerates. I was busy taking 
photos when several of them challenged me, "Why you take picha Bro? Nuttin here 
to see but me". When I said it was my old hotel they said, "No way Mon, dis be 
a whore house not a hotel, and she no be open". A grizzled old man stepped 
forward to claim ownership of the premises. He didn't believe I had ever stayed 
there until I told him the above story. That was when he said, "Welcome back my 
bruddah, all de ting you say be true!"

The Great Southern highway (now paved!) stops here, so tomorrow I will take a 
skiff across the ocean to Livingston Guacamolia, a place even funkier than 
PeeGee. I am still a bit weak but my  time at BFREE was the best possible 
restorative so now I'm ready for adventure!

Sleazeweazel








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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl

[PRESTON FORSYTHE]

Thanks. That worked. Surprised to read the first major work on Oztotl was 
published in the Kentucky Caver, 1965. Who was that author? And, why KY to 
pulbish? Funkhouser and Webb were two very famous archaeologists from UKY and 
ventured not only all over KY in the 1930's but the southeast as well. One of 
their sites was Indian Knoll across the Green River not far from Paradise, KY. 
Maybe the reputation of those two atracted the Oztotl author to KY.
https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html


Preston at Browder, KY


 

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 6:35 AM, Terry Holsinger  
wrote:
 

 Mixon's link has a period after the html, delete that and it will open.

https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html

Terry  H.

On 4/26/2017 4:39 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE wrote:
> That page would not open for me. The Oztotl expert of couse is Gill
> Ediger. I still have some of his Oztotl T-shirts, now hanging in my
> workshop.
>
> Preston Forsythe in west KY
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:20 PM, Mixon Bill
>  wrote:
>
>
> See the "Oztotl page" at https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html.
> -- Mixon
> 
> Nature is a hanging judge.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl

[Terry Holsinger]

Mixon's link has a period after the html, delete that and it will open.

https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html

Terry  H.

On 4/26/2017 4:39 AM, PRESTON FORSYTHE wrote:

That page would not open for me. The Oztotl expert of couse is Gill
Ediger. I still have some of his Oztotl T-shirts, now hanging in my
workshop.

Preston Forsythe in west KY


On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:20 PM, Mixon Bill
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See the "Oztotl page" at https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html.
-- Mixon

Nature is a hanging judge.

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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl

[PRESTON FORSYTHE]

That page would not open for me. The Oztotl expert of couse is Gill Ediger. I 
still have some of his Oztotl T-shirts, now hanging in my workshop. 
Preston Forsythe in west KY 

On Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:20 PM, Mixon Bill  
wrote:
 

 See the "Oztotl page" at https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html. -- Mixon

Nature is a hanging judge.

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[Texascavers] Oztotl

[Mixon Bill]

See the "Oztotl page" at https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Oztotl

[Association for Mexican Cave Studies]

The Association for Mexican Caves Studies is please to present the  
new Oztotl Sticker. The beautifully crafted image is imprinted on an  
adhesive vinyl base, over laminated with clear plastic, then die cut  
to the familiar shape to make a durable sticker. The price is $1.00  
each.


Also available is the companion Oztotl Refrigerator Magnet at a cost  
of $3.00 each.


Three other Refrigerator Magnets with the carabiner/rappelling caver  
design and printed either VERTICAL CAVER, AMCS CAVER, or MEXSPELEO  
are available at $3.00 each.


Send your order with cash, check, or money order to:
Association for Mexican Cave Studies
Box 7037
Austin, Texas  78713

For orders of $10 or more, you can use a credit card by calling the  
AMCS Order Hotline at 512-466-4319.


As always, shipping of all AMCS material is free.

Check out the other Mexican Caving Publications at  www.AMCS.org

And next week at the NSS Convention please drop by the AMCS table.

Thanks for Your Interest,  Terry Raines

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[Texascavers] Oztotl

[Grace Borengasser]

Hey cavers,

I am looking for a vector or high res bitmap image of the oztotl for a
project I'm doing.
Do any of you have something I could use?

Please contact me at grac...@gmail.com

Thanks!
Grace

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Re: [Texascavers] Oztotl, et al

[Don Cooper]

I have always wondered why the majority of cavers tend to turn away from the
philosophical "easy route" of a having a "nice happily ever after
afterlife".
I've wondered how it is that statistically, "cavers" are so different than
the average sample of randomly polled persons across the country... but I'm
guessing you might find the same kind of results if you compared the status
quo against grad students of Geology, Astronomy other hard science
disciplines that make "creationism" laughable.

Maybe its just that "cavers" are built-in pragmatists - believers in science
and what can be only demonstrated - that taking anything as truth based on
faith is out of step with logic.

As I understand it, secular "REALISTS" are far more common in Europe than
they are on this continent.  Maybe in a way that's saying that in general,
US citizens are stupid.  Current events, trends and politics would certainly
support that assertion.

So there it is.  God is dead.  His remains were found in a recently
excavated cave with his boy Jesus, his grandson Davy and Davy's dog,
Goliath.  Incidentally, he was much, much smaller than previously thought.

-WaVy

On 4/27/07, bmorgan...@aol.com  wrote:


 "Persecution that brings attention to the name of God is always a good
thing" Now there is a sentiment I can agree with! The ennui stricken youth
of today spend far too much time watching TV and torturing cats when they
could be out on the streets persecuting Christians! Back in the old daze
Christians all wanted to be martyrs, just like the Muslims of today. What
went wrong? Perhaps Christian caving is just a way of getting back on the
martyr track? Go ahead, trust that old rope, or better still just pray!

But what I really want to know is what to do if the Rapture comes while
underground? Can you imagine? The call comes and zoom up you go, but bonk!
Let's hope you are wearing your hardhat! There to float for all eternity
lodged against the ceiling like a half deflated helium balloon. There is a
theological term for such a fix, I think it is known as Limbo, but isn't
that also a matter of seeing how low you can go?

But what is Man without senseless unverifiable beliefs? A mere corporal
beast bereft of spirit! What is childhood without the Tooth Fairy, and the
end of old age without an imagined afterlife?

As for myself , I've always been an acolyte of Oztotl, so I decided to
look a little further into the sacred writings. The internationally
recognized symbol of Oztotl looks remarkably like the pudendum during it's
monthly spate, and I have long worshiped at the Pink Pavilion! The doubly
damned Mr. Edigar has further shown that when the Mouth of the Sacred Jaguar
is rotated by 90 degrees one sees the symbol of Oztotl, and worse still that
when shown thus it is representative of Man's greatest fear, Vagina Dentata!


So it is that we search for Virgins to propitiate our God! Certain non
hypocritical Christian young women (an oxymoron?) purport to be virgins, so
several purposes are served by their sacrifice. The anger of Oztotl is
appeased and the Christians are persecuted and martyred as is their wish!
Thus do we reconcile heaven and earth!

Sleazeweazel

ps: We have a Christian grotto down here in Florida. They need equipment
with which to seduce Boy Scouts.  Got any old ropes to donate?



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[Texascavers] Oztotl, et al

[BMorgan994]

“Persecution that brings attention to the name of God is always a good  thing”
 Now there is a sentiment I can agree with! The ennui stricken youth of  
today spend far too much time watching TV and torturing cats when they could be 
 
out on the streets persecuting Christians! Back in the old daze Christians all  
wanted to be martyrs, just like the Muslims of today. What went wrong? 
Perhaps  Christian caving is just a way of getting back on the martyr track? Go 
ahead,  trust that old rope, or better still just pray!
 
But what I really want to know is what to do if the Rapture comes while  
underground? Can you imagine? The call comes and zoom up you go, but bonk! 
Let’s  
hope you are wearing your hardhat! There to float for all eternity lodged  
against the ceiling like a half deflated helium balloon. There is a theological 
 
term for such a fix, I think it is known as Limbo, but isn't that also a 
matter  of seeing how low you can go? 
 
But what is Man without senseless unverifiable beliefs? A mere corporal  
beast bereft of spirit! What is childhood without the Tooth Fairy, and the end  
of 
old age without an imagined afterlife?
 
As for myself , I've always been an acolyte of Oztotl, so I decided to look  
a little further into the sacred writings. The internationally recognized 
symbol  of Oztotl looks remarkably like the pudendum during it’s monthly spate, 
and I  have long worshiped at the Pink Pavilion! The doubly damned Mr. Edigar 
has  further shown that when the Mouth of the Sacred Jaguar is rotated by 90 
degrees  one sees the symbol of Oztotl, and worse still that when shown thus it 
is  representative of Man’s greatest fear, Vagina Dentata! 
 
So it is that we search for Virgins to propitiate our God! Certain non  
hypocritical Christian young women (an oxymoron?) purport to be virgins, so  
several purposes are served by their sacrifice. The anger of Oztotl is appeased 
 and 
the Christians are persecuted and martyred as is their wish! Thus do we  
reconcile heaven and earth!
 
Sleazeweazel
 
ps: We have a Christian grotto down here in Florida. They need equipment  
with which to seduce Boy Scouts.  Got any old ropes to  donate?



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