RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Louise Power]

take a look at these pics:

 

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/media/medical/hw/hwkb17_017_18_19.jpg
 



Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:05:55 -0500
From: gi...@att.net
To: dirt...@comcast.net
CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst


I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison ivy 
and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.  
--Ediger



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:





Poison-ivy and Karst

How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track)

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster.  
Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away.  
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.

When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things:

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)

After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure.

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.






  

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Louise Power]

Cave related: When my sister and her now ex were living in Tennessee, they went 
caving one weekend. The entrance was a crawl-in slit, but what Jodie didn't 
realize was that the lush veg at the entrance was p-i. She got it all down her 
front including neck, chest, belly and legs. I think she may have burned her 
clothes when she got home. She used something topical for the itch and 
blisters, but got a cortisone shot from her doc. The blisters finally went 
away. Out West, we have poison oak (same results) and we carry Tech-Nu in our 
warehouse for people to wash up with if they've been exposed. The biggest 
problem is when we get big wildland fires that burn through poison oak areas; 
you can't wash your lungs with Tech-Nu. 



Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:15:06 +
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst








Poison-ivy and Karst

How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track)

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster.  
Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away.  
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.

When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things:

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)

After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure.

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.





  

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Bob West]

I remember being very sensitive to poison ivy in my early teens growing up in 
northern Brown county.  All it had to be was springtime and I would get itchy 
welts on my ankles and wrists.  My parents found some poison ivy extract that 
came in a dropper bottle.  I would take 1 drop a day for a week or 10 days; 
then 2 drops a day for that long and do that all the way to 10 drops a day.  I 
would start the drop therapy in the winter so by springtime I was up the the 10 
drop max and my sensitivity was then greatly diminished.

My mother would get poison ivy reaction regularly and not even be around it.  
She stopped getting it when she stopped handling my fathers dirty jeans putting 
them in the washing machine. 

Bob West

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:42:57 -0500
From: gi...@att.net
To: dirt...@comcast.net
CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who 
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with 
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins 
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by 
mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, 
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was 
greatly diminished. 
--Ediger 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,   wrote:


Poison-ivy and Karst


How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track)

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster.  
Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away.  
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.


When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things:

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)


After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure.

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.







  

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Phil Winkler]

Pretty sure poison oak can be found in the eastern US, too.
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/poison-ivy-oak-and-sumac-leaves 
and sumac, too.


At 10/23/2013 08:42 AM -0500, Gill Edigar wrote:
I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas 
cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and 
often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old 
procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I 
don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several 
(again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, 
cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was 
greatly diminished.

--Ediger


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, 
<dirt...@comcast.net> wrote:


Poison-ivy and Karst

How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get 
this site back on track)


I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a 
youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the 
pile, a half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy 
situation after the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my 
lungs did not react.


When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I 
discovered two things:


1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping 
where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)


After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually 
lost my extreme reaction.  But I learned what George 
cautioned:  Immunity is lost by repeated exposure.


Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES 
going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs 
around springs in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend 
Ranch State Park.







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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Gill Edigar]

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds
by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were,
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was
greatly diminished.
--Ediger


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:

>
> Poison-ivy and Karst
>
> How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site
> back on track)
>
> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
> youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a
> half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
> the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>
> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
> discovered two things:
>
> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
> beds.
>
> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where
> the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>
> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
> extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost
> by repeated exposure.
>
> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up
> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
> in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[vivbone]

     If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. 
the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and 
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. 
     best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil 
cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for poison 
ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off 
yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
     No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. 
The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.  You cannot 
develop an immunity.



 From: Charles Goldsmith 
To: Gill Edigar  
Cc: "Deal, Dwight" ; Cave Texas 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst
 


Easy Gill, poison oak grows on trees :)



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison ivy 
and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes. 
>--Ediger
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>>Poison-ivy and Karst
>>
>>How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site 
>>back on track)
>>
>>I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. 
>> Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile 
>>away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke 
>>passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>>
>>When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
>>two things:
>>
>>1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.
>>
>>2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where 
>>the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>>
>>After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
>>extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
>>repeated exposure.
>>
>>Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
>>cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
>>Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Charles Goldsmith]

Easy Gill, poison oak grows on trees :)


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison
> ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Poison-ivy and Karst
>>
>> How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this
>> site back on track)
>>
>> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
>> youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a
>> half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
>> the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>>
>> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
>> discovered two things:
>>
>> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
>> beds.
>>
>> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping
>> where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>>
>> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
>> extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost
>> by repeated exposure.
>>
>> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up
>> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
>> in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Gill Edigar]

I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison
ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.
--Ediger


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:

>
> Poison-ivy and Karst
>
> How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site
> back on track)
>
> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
> youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a
> half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
> the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>
> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
> discovered two things:
>
> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
> beds.
>
> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where
> the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>
> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
> extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost
> by repeated exposure.
>
> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up
> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
> in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[dirtdoc]

Poison-ivy and Karst 

How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track) 

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. 
Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. 
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me -- . Fortunately my lungs did not react. 

When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things: 

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) 

After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure. 

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.