[Texascavers] RIP Tom White

[Sam Young]

Cavers,

Tom White was a UT Grotto caver in the 50's and 60's.  We were friends 
for many years but we did not hang out together that far back so I do 
not know that much about his caving activity.  I believe that he was the 
person who started Texascavers and ran it for years.  He was also a cook 
for the caver reunions in the 60's.  For the past several years, Tom and 
Janie White have lived in Rockport TX in Janie's historical ancestral 
home.  That house was in the eye of Hurricane Harvey last year.  We last 
saw the Whites when they had retreated to Seguin as the house was being 
repaired enough to be livable.


Here is what we know: Tom went to the hospital June 24th with shortness 
of breath.  He died in the hospital Saturday, July 7th of congestive 
heart failure.


Perhaps some of you old timers can fill in about Tom's caving. If a 
"celebration of life" or such thing occurs, I will spread the word.  Our 
condolences to Janie and the family.


. Sam and Diane Young

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[Texascavers] RIP

[Charles Loving]

Early on caver Tom White died in Rockport of congestuve heart failure.

-- 
Charlie Loving
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[Texascavers] RIP Charlie Yates SWT Grotto

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Charlie and His Cannon (Reenactment at San Jacinto) -…

YOUTUBE.COM

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Charlie Loving
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[Texascavers] RIP

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Charlie Yates has gone to the great happy hunting ground.

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Charlie Loving
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Re: [Texascavers] RIP - Benny Martin

[TM Raines]

There's a great photo of Benny and the crew in the latest AMCS Photo  
of the Week.


Check it out,  Terry

On Jul 7, 2009, at 11:21 PM, Ed Alexander wrote:

Benny Martin died Monday in his cabin on the Llano River where he  
has been living for a number of years. Benny participated in some  
of the early explorations in the Xilitla area in the 60's,  
including the trip to Sotano de la Tlamaya that broke the North  
American depth record. An account of that trip is in the AMCS  
Newsletter, Vol. 1, Num. 1.



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[Texascavers] RIP - Benny Martin

[Ed Alexander]

Benny Martin died Monday in his cabin on the Llano River where he has 
been living for a number of years. Benny participated in some of the 
early explorations in the Xilitla area in the 60's, including the trip 
to Sotano de la Tlamaya that broke the North American depth record. An 
account of that trip is in the AMCS Newsletter, Vol. 1, Num. 1.



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Re: [Texascavers] --RIP???

[David Locklear]

Gill wrote,

>... I'm only trying to get    The CAVER
> back to being a useful publication.

Didn't Gill once appear as a centerfold in the TC back when it was a useful 
publication??
or was that some other caving magazine?

What is really funny about Gil's speech, is I heard him give a similar 
speech
the day I first met him in 1985 at the New Braunfels TCR.

Has the popularity of caving dwindled across the country as it has in Texas?
If so, I suppose this is because potential cavers are pre-occupied with 
things
like snow-boarding and nintendo and surfing the web, and other activities
that they find more exciting.

I see the publication problem from the perspective of a caver who lives far 
from the
caving activities going on in Texas.  I enjoy getting a Texas Caver in 
the
mail.It is very difficult for me to get away from Houston these 
days, so
I doubt the TSA could do anything differently that would make me want to
jump in the car and drive to the hill country or west Texas.

If the Texas Caver is available on the web, that will be fine. I have a 
good
printer, so I can print it out.

In summary, I support Gil and his proposal.

David Locklear
caver in Houston














>
> The fact that the TSA membership (and the resultant TEXAS CAVER
> subscribers) has dwindled to the point where we can barely maintain our
> bulk mailing permit needs to be made obvious to everybody. There is an
> underlying reason for that--nay, there is an overwhelmingly blatant reason
> for that: very few Texas cavers are interested in the TSA or The TEXAS
> CAVER. To those few die-hard Texas cavers still committed to the cause who
> continue to maintain their TSA allegiance and membership despite years of
> abuse and ineffective goals, I offer my personal sincere thanks and
> acknowledgement. You are truly dedicated. To the rest of you I offer my
> deepest understanding. Neither the TSA nor The TEXAS CAVER have lived up 
> to
> even a small portion of their commitment to Texas caving that most of us
> think they should have. As both past TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER editor, 
> I
> will accept responsibility for some of that lack. But that was then; this
> is now.
>
> I will reiterate, for what must be the 2nd or 3rd time in 10 years, that
> neither the TSA  nor The TEXAS CAVER are providing much service to the
> majority of Texas cavers. As originally conceived, The TEXAS CAVER should
> be serving as a central information dispersal vehicle for Texas cavers. It
> isn't doing that. As currently managed, it cannot, mostly because we can't
> afford it, but also because of time constraints on editors and production
> assistants. Printing and mailing are BIG hassles--but they are hassles 
> that
> can be nearly completely dispensed with.
>
> If it is felt, in fact, that the TSA ought to get on with its business of
> providing a useful point around which the cavers of Texas can gather for
> both their personal and the common good, then we ought to get our heads 
> out
> of our collective butts and use them to find a workable solution to 
> serving
> all those Texas cavers out there. We will each, individually and
> collectively, benefit from such an effort, as will the TSA as an
> organization and The TEXAS CAVER as a publication, both in usefulness and
> in quality--and, I'll be willing to bet, quantity.
>
> For some reason--call it tradition if you will--there seems to be a stogy
> adherence to maintaining production of The TEXAS CAVER more or less along
> the lines of the past. It doesn't take an overly bright dolt to see that
> that system has failed--time and time again. In the mean time, newer,
> easier, and more effective production methods have become available and
> passed us by--or been repeatedly ignored by those committed to an ungainly
> but traditional and outdated system. I'm suggesting that the time has
> come--nay, it is far passed--to move into the modern world with The TEXAS
> CAVER--make it quick; make it easy; make it timely; make it effective; and
> make it available, free of charge to EVERY Texas caver. And all that,
> simply by putting it on the inter-net. How easy does it get?
>
> But "what about the TSA?" you ask. Yeah, what about it? All of a sudden it
> can be in contact with every Texas caver on a monthly basis--at least 
> every
> caver who wants to know what's going on, something which is not even
> remotely available now (except as the TSA ANL is being revived). At the
> same time nearly all of the hassles and expenses of printing and mailing
> will be eliminated--in a flash. The TSA, on the other hand, will then have
> monthly access to literally several hundred more Texas cavers than it does
> now--by their personal choice--who can, for, say 5 or 10 bucks, become TSA
> members, both supporting that organization and personally benefiting from
> it. Instead of eking by economically, the TSA will be rather more flush
> with the resources to fund other projects. Both T
>
> h