Re: [Texascavers] Re: debate about Mexico travel safety

2010-04-23 Thread Rod Goke
David,

The statistics you cite indicate that most of the U.S. citizens murdered in 
Mexico during the last 7 years were Hispanic and that relatively few were 
Anglos, but does this really imply that Anglo Americans are safer than Hispanic 
Americans when traveling in Mexico, or does it simply mean that most of the 
U.S. citizens traveling in Mexico are Hispanic? The latter does seem plausible, 
considering the large number of Hispanic Americans who live near the Mexican 
border, who speak Spanish, and who have family or business ties in Mexico. It's 
easy to see why Hispanic Americans in that situation might spend a lot more 
time in Mexico than would most other Americans, so it would not be surprising 
if a large portion of the U.S. citizens in Mexico at any given time are 
Hispanic. Also, many of the Anglo Americans traveling in Mexico might be 
vacationers from many parts of the U.S. who seldom go anywhere in Mexico other 
than the specific tourist oriented resort areas they travel there to visit, so 
their experiences might not tell us much about the safety of traveling the way 
American cavers typically do in Mexico. Without some additional statistics 
about what categories of Americans are traveling in Mexico and what kinds of 
travel they are doing there, the murder statistics you cite really don't tell 
us much about what racial or ethnic categories of Americans are safer than 
others when traveling there.

Rod

-Original Message-
>From: David 
>Sent: Apr 23, 2010 12:12 AM
>To: Cavers Texas 
>Subject: [Texascavers] Re: debate about Mexico travel safety
>
>The Houston Chronicle released a database of 232 murders in Mexico that they
>claim were of citizens of the U.S.A.
>
>http://www.chron.com/databases/mexicomurders
>
>If this list is accurate, and complete ( which I doubt it is ), it
>seems worth pointing out that 95 percent of
>the victims were Hispanic.   One of the 10 or so Anglos, was with a
>hispanic that
>was murdered.And one Anglo was killed in a barfight over a woman.
>
>I am not making a racist comment, but only to point out that these
>statistics show
>an Anglo is relatively safe in Mexico.   I guess you could say the
>same statement
>about Asians, or Blacks or others.
>
>It only goes back 7 years, but that may be to emphasize the recent
>violence.
>
>The only American caver I have ever heard of having been robbed, was by a taxi
>driver or the transit police ( los pinches transitos ) in Mexico City
>back in the 80's.
>
>http://www.facebook.com/pages/x-los-que-odian-a-los-pinches-transitos-ratas-/327127326829
>
>David Locklear
>caver in Fort Bend County
>
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[Texascavers] Re: debate about Mexico travel safety

2010-04-22 Thread David
The Houston Chronicle released a database of 232 murders in Mexico that they
claim were of citizens of the U.S.A.

http://www.chron.com/databases/mexicomurders

If this list is accurate, and complete ( which I doubt it is ), it
seems worth pointing out that 95 percent of
the victims were Hispanic.   One of the 10 or so Anglos, was with a
hispanic that
was murdered.And one Anglo was killed in a barfight over a woman.

I am not making a racist comment, but only to point out that these
statistics show
an Anglo is relatively safe in Mexico.   I guess you could say the
same statement
about Asians, or Blacks or others.

It only goes back 7 years, but that may be to emphasize the recent
violence.

The only American caver I have ever heard of having been robbed, was by a taxi
driver or the transit police ( los pinches transitos ) in Mexico City
back in the 80's.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/x-los-que-odian-a-los-pinches-transitos-ratas-/327127326829

David Locklear
caver in Fort Bend County

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