Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Yes, and most of them go caving very often either. Bill --Original Message-- From: Charles Goldsmith To: Bill Steele RR Sent: May 15, 2009 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM, wrote: > We love you, Charles. > > Bill > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Believe me, as TSA secretary, I know! I don't know what people expect from volunteers or why they like to complain so much. Human nature I guess. -Denise > From: wo...@justfamily.org > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:54:42 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! > To: pepabe...@hotmail.com > > Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Denise P wrote: > > I think you are doing a fine job! Thanks for your time and money > > > > -Denise > > > >> From: wo...@justfamily.org > >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:43:37 -0500 > >> To: julesje...@yahoo.com > >> CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com > >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > >> Online! > >> > >> I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, > >> when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. > >> > >> I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for > >> the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more > >> time policing adults? > >> > >> You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of > >> people away. > >> > >> Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and > >> while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they > >> want things changed. > >> > >> Charles > >> > >> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins > >> wrote: > >> > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them > >> > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, > >> > ridiculous > >> > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > >> > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally > >> > quiet > >> > list administrator" > >> > > >> > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and > >> > also > >> > know how to delete emails! > >> > > >> > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > >> > > >> > From: Charles Goldsmith > >> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > >> > Online! > >> > To: "Texas Cavers List" > >> > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > >> > > >> > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > >> > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > >> > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > >> > the delete key takes care of the problem. > >> > > >> > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > >> > > >> > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator > >> > >> - > >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >> > > > > > > Hotmail® goes with you. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone. _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Yeah, this is totally out of character for her, but then again, I do have a habit of bringing up things most people don't like and maybe I rubbed her wrong at the business meeting. I know you weren't trying to kick the nest, but some where taking it that way, since you are posting updates, etc. That's why I stepped in and tried to put a few people in their place. Ah well, can't make everyone happy :) Charles On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:13 PM, wrote: > Wow, what's Julie's problem!? > > I think she wants to be deleted from CaveTex and, probably, needs to be. > > I didn't know or intend to kick a hornets nest. I thought announcing more > material in the Members Area was a good thing! > > I wonder if Jerry Atkinson and Julie are somehow related? Or are they simply > a couple of curmudgeons? > > Jerry I always knew to be one, Julie surprises me. She's always been really > nice. I wonder if something isn't going on with her personal life. > > Anyway, you're doing a great job and don't change a thing with Cavetex. I > guess a couple of folks (Julie and Jerry) thought things were too quiet and > had to stir things up a bit. > > > Later, > > Mark > > > > ____ > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Fri 5/15/2009 1:53 PM > To: Alman, Mark @ IRP > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > Online! > > Man, and you thought you stirred up a hornets nest, I just kicked it a > few times :) > > Charles > > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I'm pleased to announce that Carl Kunath has been gracious enough to >> submit >> three back issues of the TEXAS CAVER from 2001, 2002, and 2004 and Butch >> Fralia has dutifully posted them to the Members Area of the TSA Website >> for >> your reading pleasure. >> >
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Wow, what's Julie's problem!? I think she wants to be deleted from CaveTex and, probably, needs to be. I didn't know or intend to kick a hornets nest. I thought announcing more material in the Members Area was a good thing! I wonder if Jerry Atkinson and Julie are somehow related? Or are they simply a couple of curmudgeons? Jerry I always knew to be one, Julie surprises me. She's always been really nice. I wonder if something isn't going on with her personal life. Anyway, you're doing a great job and don't change a thing with Cavetex. I guess a couple of folks (Julie and Jerry) thought things were too quiet and had to stir things up a bit. Later, Mark From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Fri 5/15/2009 1:53 PM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Man, and you thought you stirred up a hornets nest, I just kicked it a few times :) Charles On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > > All, > > I'm pleased to announce that Carl Kunath has been gracious enough to submit > three back issues of the TEXAS CAVER from 2001, 2002, and 2004 and Butch > Fralia has dutifully posted them to the Members Area of the TSA Website for > your reading pleasure. >
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
It's one thing to bitch and moan about what someone wrote and another to think that you need to be the censor for the list serve. I find you very restrained as I'm sure that it is far harder to not intervene sometimes. Then again, you can always censor the folks that complain too much. Anyway, I've always thought that the folks that run these lists are saints and receive no credit for the incredible service they provide. I really they help to foster a region wide caving community. Yes, you're my unsung hero. Thanks and keep up the great work. Geary -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:55 PM To: Geary Schindel Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Geary Schindel wrote: > Charles, > > VERY WELL SAID, and Thank You for all your hard work and invaluable service to the caving community. > > Geary >
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Do you not realize you are doing the very thing you complained about, over and over!? Let it go. On May 15, 2009, at 2:06 PM, Jules Jenkins wrote: DELETE --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Fofo wrote: From: Fofo Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! To: "texascavers" Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 6:47 PM No, actually, I like very much the list the way it is and how Charles manages it. The "delete" key is your friend. - Fofo Jules Jenkins wrote: > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet list administrator" > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also know how to delete emails! > > --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith //* wrote: > > > From: Charles Goldsmith > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are > Now Online! > To: "Texas Cavers List" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers- h...@texascavers.com > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Don Arburn wrote: > Charles, you are doing a bang up job! Thank you. > > Don >
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:59 PM, wrote: > We love you, Charles. > > Bill >
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Chad Fenner wrote: > Well said, and your efforts are greatly appreciated by the 90% of us who do > not spend our time complaining, especially those of us who rarely post but > often read cavetx for the sole use of "keeping up". > > Jules' comment was out of line. It's just like a church where 80% of the > work is done by 20% of the congregation, while 90% of the complaints come > from 10% of the congregation.
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DELETE --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Fofo wrote: From: Fofo Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! To: "texascavers" List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 6:47 PM No, actually, I like very much the list the way it is and how Charles manages it. The "delete" key is your friend. - Fofo Jules Jenkins wrote: > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them all. > But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet > list administrator" > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also > know how to delete emails! > > --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith //* wrote: > > > From: Charles Goldsmith > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are > Now Online! > To: "Texas Cavers List" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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We love you, Charles. Bill Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:43:37 To: Jules Jenkins Cc: Texas Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more time policing adults? You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of people away. Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they want things changed. Charles On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins wrote: > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet > list administrator" > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also > know how to delete emails! > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > From: Charles Goldsmith > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > Online! > To: "Texas Cavers List" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Well said, and your efforts are greatly appreciated by the 90% of us who do not spend our time complaining, especially those of us who rarely post but often read cavetx for the sole use of "keeping up". Jules' comment was out of line. It's just like a church where 80% of the work is done by 20% of the congregation, while 90% of the complaints come from 10% of the congregation. Sent on the go from my Peek CF - Charles Goldsmith wrote: I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more time policing adults? You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of people away. Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they want things changed. Charles On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins wrote: > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet > list administrator" > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also > know how to delete emails! > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > From: Charles Goldsmith > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > Online! > To: "Texas Cavers List" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Charles, you are doing a bang up job! Thank you. Don
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Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Geary Schindel wrote: > Charles, > > VERY WELL SAID, and Thank You for all your hard work and invaluable service > to the caving community. > > Geary >
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Thank you for the kind words, we have too many critics around here :) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Denise P wrote: > I think you are doing a fine job! Thanks for your time and money > > -Denise > >> From: wo...@justfamily.org >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:43:37 -0500 >> To: julesje...@yahoo.com >> CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now >> Online! >> >> I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, >> when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. >> >> I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for >> the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more >> time policing adults? >> >> You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of >> people away. >> >> Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and >> while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they >> want things changed. >> >> Charles >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins >> wrote: >> > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them >> > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, >> > ridiculous >> > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. >> > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally >> > quiet >> > list administrator" >> > >> > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and >> > also >> > know how to delete emails! >> > >> > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: >> > >> > From: Charles Goldsmith >> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now >> > Online! >> > To: "Texas Cavers List" >> > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM >> > >> > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's >> > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking >> > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of >> > the delete key takes care of the problem. >> > >> > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. >> > >> > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> > > > Hotmail® goes with you. Get it on your BlackBerry or iPhone.
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Man, and you thought you stirred up a hornets nest, I just kicked it a few times :) Charles On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, wrote: > > All, > > I'm pleased to announce that Carl Kunath has been gracious enough to submit > three back issues of the TEXAS CAVER from 2001, 2002, and 2004 and Butch > Fralia has dutifully posted them to the Members Area of the TSA Website for > your reading pleasure. >
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Charles, VERY WELL SAID, and Thank You for all your hard work and invaluable service to the caving community. Geary -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 1:44 PM To: Jules Jenkins Cc: Texas Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more time policing adults? You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of people away. Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they want things changed. Charles On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins wrote: > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet > list administrator" > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also > know how to delete emails! > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > From: Charles Goldsmith > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > Online! > To: "Texas Cavers List" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I think you are doing a fine job! Thanks for your time and money -Denise > From: wo...@justfamily.org > Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:43:37 -0500 > To: julesje...@yahoo.com > CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! > > I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, > when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. > > I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for > the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more > time policing adults? > > You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of > people away. > > Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and > while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they > want things changed. > > Charles > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins wrote: > > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them > > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous > > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet > > list administrator" > > > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also > > know how to delete emails! > > > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > > > From: Charles Goldsmith > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > > Online! > > To: "Texas Cavers List" > > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > _ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
No, actually, I like very much the list the way it is and how Charles manages it. The "delete" key is your friend. - Fofo Jules Jenkins wrote: trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet list administrator" I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also know how to delete emails! --- On *Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith //* wrote: From: Charles Goldsmith Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! To: "Texas Cavers List" Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of the delete key takes care of the problem. Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. Charles, the normally quiet list administrator - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I should be pro-active? Why should I spend my time moderating a list, when it takes someone less than 1 second to delete an email. I spend enough time maintaining, replying to questions, and paying for the infrastructure behind this server, why should I spend even more time policing adults? You wouldn't like me moderating, and I'm sure it would drive a lot of people away. Thank you, but I'll pass. I volunteer enough of my time here and while many people thank me, many more just complain about how they want things changed. Charles On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Jules Jenkins wrote: > trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them > all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous > responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. > Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet > list administrator" > > I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also > know how to delete emails! > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: > > From: Charles Goldsmith > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now > Online! > To: "Texas Cavers List" > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM > > While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's > opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking > their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of > the delete key takes care of the problem. > > Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. > > Charles, the normally quiet list administrator
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Charles, We all appreciate your making this venue available to us. As far as paper vs. electronic, I can understand why a younger, dedicated caver may want to establish an original hard copy collection for posterity. I wish that I still had all of The Caver issues which I received in the mid fifties. We are all enthusiastic about caves, caving and the environment. However, while I would prefer to receive the hard copies, it makes no sense to me to waste all of the dollars consumed by printing and mailing when they could go towards something more tangible and beneficial. It's not as if we didn't have access to the same material. A conservative geezer -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:17 PM To: Texas Cavers List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of the delete key takes care of the problem. Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. Charles, the normally quiet list administrator - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
trust me, if there are 50 junk, complainy cave tex emails I DELETE them all. But, why should I have to spend so much time deleting junk, ridiculous responses not meant for all or NON cave topic emails. Perhaps, Charles, you should be more proactive and NOT the "normally quiet list administrator" I suspect many, many folks on the cave tex listserv feel similarly and also know how to delete emails! --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: From: Charles Goldsmith Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! To: "Texas Cavers List" List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 11:16 PM While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of the delete key takes care of the problem. Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. Charles, the normally quiet list administrator - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
While this is a hot topic, and it's ok to disagree with anyone's opinion on this, it is unnecessary to jump on anyone for speaking their opinion. If you don't like a posting on here, a simple tap of the delete key takes care of the problem. Everyone needs to learn that trick, it makes the internet so much nicer. Charles, the normally quiet list administrator
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Really, one mistake, does not a hissy fit make. Don On May 14, 2009, at 6:10 PM, jran...@gmail.com wrote: really, do we all need to have to read your email response to Mark? this is the kind of junk that makes Texas Cavers NOT worth reading. On May 14, 2009 5:47pm, Jules Jenkins wrote: > really, do we all need to have to read your email response to Lyndon? > this is the kind of junk that makes cave tex NOT worth reading. > > > --- On Thu, 5/14/09, mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! > To: "Lyndon Tiu" l...@alumni.sfu.ca>, texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:44 PM > > Yea, give me my paper copy too. Mark Gee NSS #49625 > > > > > > > From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:47:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! > > Quoted from a caver: > > As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what > > does > > that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible? > > > Quoted from a caver: > > that if a > > member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are > > environmentally or fiscally irresponsible. > > > You can have either the hard copy and/or electronic or you can have both. You don't have to feel bad about anything. > > So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give > them > the finger. > > > -- Lyndon Tiu > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
really, do we all need to have to read your email response to Mark? this is the kind of junk that makes Texas Cavers NOT worth reading. On May 14, 2009 5:47pm, Jules Jenkins wrote: really, do we all need to have to read your email response to Lyndon? this is the kind of junk that makes cave tex NOT worth reading. --- On Thu, 5/14/09, mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! To: "Lyndon Tiu" l...@alumni.sfu.ca>, texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:44 PM Yea, give me my paper copy too. Mark Gee NSS #49625 From: Lyndon Tiu l...@alumni.sfu.ca> To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:47:26 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Quoted from a caver: > As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what > does > that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible? Quoted from a caver: > that if a > member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are > environmentally or fiscally irresponsible. You can have either the hard copy and/or electronic or you can have both. You don't have to feel bad about anything. So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give them the finger. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
really, do we all need to have to read your email response to Lyndon? this is the kind of junk that makes cave tex NOT worth reading. --- On Thu, 5/14/09, mark gee wrote: From: mark gee Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! To: "Lyndon Tiu" , texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:44 PM Yea, give me my paper copy too. Mark Gee NSS #49625 From: Lyndon Tiu To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:47:26 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Quoted from a caver: > As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what > does > that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible? Quoted from a caver: > that if a > member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are > environmentally or fiscally irresponsible. You can have either the hard copy and/or electronic or you can have both. You don't have to feel bad about anything. So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give them the finger. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Yea, give me my paper copy too. Mark Gee NSS #49625 From: Lyndon Tiu To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 10:47:26 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Quoted from a caver: > As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what > does > that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible? Quoted from a caver: > that if a > member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are > environmentally or fiscally irresponsible. You can have either the hard copy and/or electronic or you can have both. You don't have to feel bad about anything. So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give them the finger. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Having driven in Dallas for 30 years, Lyndon, I'm used to getting the finger. (And dishing it out, as the occasion requires!). And after having five kids, I'm used to being called names, as well. Mark From: Lyndon Tiu [mailto:l...@alumni.sfu.ca] Sent: Wed 5/13/2009 12:47 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give them the finger. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Quoted from a caver: > As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what > does > that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible? Quoted from a caver: > that if a > member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are > environmentally or fiscally irresponsible. You can have either the hard copy and/or electronic or you can have both. You don't have to feel bad about anything. So what if someone calls you names. You keep your chin up and give them the finger. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
As I stated before I want both paper and electronic copies, so what does that make me? irresponsibly responsible? Or Responsibly irresponsible? I just gave myself a headache Bill - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online! Jerry, you are wrong on both accounts, not printing every member a copy and allowing us to view it on a computer and saving paper is being responsible. Plus the TSA doesn't have to pay to print and mail it out, so that is fiscally responsible. You have a right to your opinion, doesn't mean its the correct one. I have that same right :) Charles On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM, wrote: > I realize the TSA Chairman is trying to promote a reasonable agenda that > will reduce the cost of the TxCvr to the membership. But I believe that he > might want to stop short of insinuating that if a member does want to > receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are environmentally or fiscally > irresponsible. These things have a way of causing terminal foot-in-mouth > disease, which can be much more damaging than the H1N1 virus. > > Jerry Atkinson > > In a message dated 5/12/2009 1:26:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, > mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: > > You can still opt to receive the TC in the mail, or you can do your part to > be environmentally and fiscally responsible, while sticking it to the USPS > and their recently adopted rate increase by opting to go digital! > > > > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
Jerry, you are wrong on both accounts, not printing every member a copy and allowing us to view it on a computer and saving paper is being responsible. Plus the TSA doesn't have to pay to print and mail it out, so that is fiscally responsible. You have a right to your opinion, doesn't mean its the correct one. I have that same right :) Charles On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:23 PM, wrote: > I realize the TSA Chairman is trying to promote a reasonable agenda that > will reduce the cost of the TxCvr to the membership. But I believe that he > might want to stop short of insinuating that if a member does want to > receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are environmentally or fiscally > irresponsible. These things have a way of causing terminal foot-in-mouth > disease, which can be much more damaging than the H1N1 virus. > > Jerry Atkinson > > In a message dated 5/12/2009 1:26:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, > mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: > > You can still opt to receive the TC in the mail, or you can do your part to > be environmentally and fiscally responsible, while sticking it to the USPS > and their recently adopted rate increase by opting to go digital! > > > > Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S.
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
I realize the TSA Chairman is trying to promote a reasonable agenda that will reduce the cost of the TxCvr to the membership. But I believe that he might want to stop short of insinuating that if a member does want to receive a hardcopy TxCvr, that they are environmentally or fiscally irresponsible. These things have a way of causing terminal foot-in-mouth disease, which can be much more damaging than the H1N1 virus. Jerry Atkinson In a message dated 5/12/2009 1:26:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: You can still opt to receive the TC in the mail, or you can do your part to be environmentally and fiscally responsible, while sticking it to the USPS and their recently adopted rate increase by opting to go digital! **Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav0002)
[Texascavers] TSA Members Area Update - More TC's Are Now Online!
All, I'm pleased to announce that Carl Kunath has been gracious enough to submit three back issues of the TEXAS CAVER from 2001, 2002, and 2004 and Butch Fralia has dutifully posted them to the Members Area of the TSA Website for your reading pleasure. There's some great reading from the past in these issues. Stories such as the purchase of the Deep and Punkin Cave property, a daring rescue of an injured caver in Mexico, CARTOONS!, and a lot of past history and articles from present day cavers and from some who, unfortunately, aren't with us any longer. Hours of great reading have been added and I would like to thank Carl for submitting them and Butch for posting them for posterity. Not to mention, the 2nd quarter 2009 issue of the TEXAS CAVER will be posted very soon, maybe, by this weekend! This is looking to be a huge issue (36 pages), chock full of LOTS of photos and just in time for ICS! If you're a TSA member, but haven't yet joined the Digital Revolution, it is extremely painless to do so. Go to http://www.cavetexas.org/members/ and sign up and enjoy the back issues! Please remember to select how you want your TC: mail or digital. You can still opt to receive the TC in the mail, or you can do your part to be environmentally and fiscally responsible, while sticking it to the USPS and their recently adopted rate increase by opting to go digital! The Members Area continues to expand very well and we currently have grown to well over 80 members. This is over 40% of the total membership. Not a TSA member? No problem! We still would like for you to contemplate becoming a TSA member. Send me an email for your complimentary TEXAS CAVER and see what you've been missing. Or, you can visit the TSA website at www.cavetexas.org and become a paid member and/or become an online member of the TSA. There now are a total of 14 back issues available for your reading pleasure! Enjoy! Mark Alman - TSA Chairman and TEXAS CAVER Editor
