Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune lwhitehu...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt+Lake+Tribune:+Utah+cave+to+entomb+spelunker Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2754117 John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune) but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who also have medical training, threaded a stethoscope in the crevice but could not find a pulse. He was pronounced dead at 11:57 p.m. He is thought to have died of the effects of the constant pressure on his body. I don't think we'll ever be certain, and I don't think that's important, said Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy. Jones was home for Thanksgiving in Stansbury Park from Charlottesville, Va., where he was a second-year medical student at the University of Virginia. He planned to become a pediatric cardiologist. He graduated from Dixie High School in St. George, where he played basketball and was senior class president, said friend Morgan Miles. He met his wife, Emily, at Brigham Young University. They married in 2006 and had a 14-month-old daughter, Elizabeth, whom they called Lizzie. The couple recently found out Emily is pregnant and expecting a second child in June. Jones had
Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :) just joking wavy Charles On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune lwhitehu...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt+Lake+Tribune:+Utah+cave+to+entomb+spelunker Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2754117 John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune) but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who also have medical training, threaded a stethoscope in the crevice but could not find a pulse. He was pronounced dead at 11:57 p.m. He is thought to have died of the effects of the constant pressure on his body. I don't think we'll ever be certain, and I don't think that's important, said Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy. Jones was home for Thanksgiving in Stansbury Park from Charlottesville, Va., where he was a second-year medical student at the University of Virginia. He planned to become a pediatric cardiologist. He graduated from Dixie High School in St. George, where he played basketball and was senior class president, said friend Morgan Miles. He met his wife, Emily, at Brigham Young University. They married in
Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
I was rescued and was outside of the cave... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Don Cooper Cc: jerryat...@aol.com ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker : Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :) just joking wavy Charles On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune)but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who also have medical training, threaded a stethoscope in the crevice but could not find a pulse. He was pronounced dead at 11:57 p.m. He is thought to have died of the effects of the constant pressure on his body. I don't think we'll ever be certain, and I don't think that's important, said Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy. Jones was home for Thanksgiving in Stansbury Park from Charlottesville, Va., where he was a second-year medical student at the University
Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
But you couldn't call that a cave rescue then :) On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: I was rescued and was outside of the cave... Bill - Original Message - *From:* Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org *To:* Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com *Cc:* jerryat...@aol.com ; Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:07 PM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker : Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :) just joking wavy Charles On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune lwhitehu...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt+Lake+Tribune:+Utah+cave+to+entomb+spelunker Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2754117 John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune) but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who also have medical training, threaded a stethoscope in the crevice but could not find a pulse. He was pronounced dead at 11:57 p.m. He is thought to have died of the effects of the constant pressure on his body. I don't think we'll ever be certain, and I don't think that's
Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
Above cave rescue - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Bill Bentley Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker : But you couldn't call that a cave rescue then :) On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: I was rescued and was outside of the cave... Bill - Original Message - From: Charles Goldsmith To: Don Cooper Cc: jerryat...@aol.com ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker : Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :) just joking wavy Charles On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune)but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who
Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
Good one! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:07:51 To: Don Cooperwavyca...@gmail.com Cc: jerryat...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker : Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :) just joking wavy Charles On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune lwhitehu...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt+Lake+Tribune:+Utah+cave+to+entomb+spelunker Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2754117 John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune) but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who also have medical training, threaded a stethoscope in the crevice but could not find a pulse. He was pronounced dead at 11:57 p.m. He is thought to have died of the effects of the constant pressure on his body. I don't think we'll ever be certain, and I don't think that's important, said Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy. Jones was home for Thanksgiving in Stansbury Park from Charlottesville, Va., where he was a second-year medical student
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Haha! Nothing other than my own bad habits are keeping me from getting back into caving condition. It could happen! And since this topic is current, I couldn't help trying to put a mental note in everyone's noggin. The idea of being unsuccessfully rescued by emergency personnel sure doesn't sound like a good end to any trip! Have you ever heard the caver definition of 'spelunker' - people that get rescued by cavers? John Jones didn't get rescued by cavers - he got (essentially) made dead by EMS recovery efforts. Ultimately he did himself in. Pretty dumb for wedging himself into a narrow crack that he couldnt possibly work his way out of. Stupid of him - tragic for his family. -DC On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgwrote: Don't you have to actually be in a cave before you can get rescued? :) just joking wavy Charles On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: If I ever need a cave rescue - get together a caver rescue team. PLEASE don't call 911! -WaV On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:38 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune lwhitehu...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt+Lake+Tribune:+Utah+cave+to+entomb+spelunker Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2754117 John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune) but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his
[Texascavers] Utah cave to entomb spelunker :
Utah cave to entomb spelunker Tragedy » Officials say it's too risky to retrieve John Jones, will seal cavern with his body inside. _ By Lindsay Whitehurst The Salt Lake Tribune_ (mailto:lwhitehu...@sltrib.com?subject=Salt Lake Tribune: Utah cave to entomb spelunker) Updated: 11/28/2009 10:46:43 AM MST The cave that claimed the life of John Jones will also be his tomb. Nutty Putty Cave will be sealed permanently with the 26-year-old medical student's body inside, a decision supported by his family and rescue officials, who said retrieving him is too great a risk to rescuers. They also cited a desire to protect the safety of future cavers. The cave will serve as the final resting place for John Edward Jones, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Spencer Cannon. The Jones family will place a permanent memorial at the cave's entrance. It will be, as they describe it, a sacred place for them and for a lot of other people, he said. Officials considered closing only the part of the cave where Jones rests, (http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=2754117) John Edward Jones, 26, will have his final resting place in the Nutty Putty Cave, the Utah County Sherriff's Office announced Friday. There will be no more recovery efforts because of the dangers of the cave. (Rick Egan / The Salt Lake Tribune) but as Kim Christy, assistant director at the state School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration (SITLA), said, We decided it probably wasn't appropriate to have recreational activities going on in the same area that has a final resting place. Jones died late Wednesday after becoming stuck in an unmapped finger of the cave near the end of the main passageway, about 100 feet below the surface and 400 feet from the entrance, not near Bob's Push as previously reported. Rescuers briefly pulled him out of the crevice using a pulley system and ropes tied to his feet, but he slipped back in after an anchor broke free of the cave wall. The 137 people who tried to free Jones are physically and mentally exhausted after the 27-hour effort, and will be offered critical stress counseling, said Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Tom Hodgson. It isn't in our makeup to leave anything undone, he said. They still feel like there is work left to be done, that they didn't bring closure to the Jones family. He described the Herculean effort as the most difficult rescue he's worked on in 30 years. Jones' brother Josh said the family stands behind the crews, and are grateful for their efforts. There are some who feel like they failed our family, he said. We know they did their best. We want to thank them from the bottom of our hearts. John Valentine, a state senator and longtime search-and-rescue participant, said the crevice is simply too small, and the passage too winding, for anyone to crawl inside and pull him out without being at risk themselves. He is in an area that is really beyond the scope of what anyone can get into, he said. It's where the cave peters down to nothing. Jones entered the small passage as he and a group of family and friends fanned out to explore the cave. About 400 feet in, he found himself unable to move, stuck at a 70-degree angle with a good portion of his waist and torso pinched in an approximately 10-inch-wide space, Cannon said. His head was out and unsupported at one end, and his feet stuck out at the other end. After crews got him out of the crevice, they still would have had to pull him through the difficult stretch of cave behind him, which twisted and turned in 90-degree angles over uneven ground, Cannon said. But Jones fell again less than 30 minutes after he was unstuck. He wasn't injured in the fall, but started struggling to breathe about two hours later. He later fell silent after relaying messages to his family, Hodgson said. Rescuers, who also have medical training, threaded a stethoscope in the crevice but could not find a pulse. He was pronounced dead at 11:57 p.m. He is thought to have died of the effects of the constant pressure on his body. I don't think we'll ever be certain, and I don't think that's important, said Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy. Jones was home for Thanksgiving in Stansbury Park from Charlottesville, Va., where he was a second-year medical student at the University of Virginia. He planned to become a pediatric cardiologist. He graduated from Dixie High School in St. George, where he played basketball and was senior class president, said friend Morgan Miles. He met his wife, Emily, at Brigham Young University. They married in 2006 and had a 14-month-old daughter, Elizabeth, whom they called Lizzie. The couple recently found out Emily is pregnant and expecting a second child in June. Jones had explored many caves and loved the outdoors, so his family struggled with the decision to
