Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver
At this price, why do our dues go up. Explain Lucy! From: Mixon Bill To: Cavers Texas Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 4:40:37 PM Subject: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver I have gotten a quote from the printer I use for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies on an issue of the Texas Caver. For saddle-stitched in a cover printed both sides in full color and 24 inside b&w pages (_four more_ than are in the most recent TC), the quote for quantity between 150 and 249 copies is $2.12 a copy plus $60 setup charges. The per-copy price changes by only about 5 cents for more or fewer. Assuming 200 copies, the setup charge comes to 30 cents a copy, for a printing cost of $2.42. Of course, this is in Kalamazoo, so you'd have to add maybe another $60 for shipping to Texas; I'll be generous and make it $2.75 in all. Now add maybe 5 cents for a mailing envelope and 2 cents for a mailing label. I don't know what postage actually is, but I'll guess for non-profit bulk rate it is 40 cents a copy. This brings us up to a grand total of $3.22 for each copy of the Texas Caver mailed to a member. At four issues a year, we're talking $13. (You can do the arithmetic if there are more or fewer than 200 TSA members; it affects only the setup and shipping.) I'd say whoever is publishing the Texas Caver at a cost of $26 per member per year needs to do a bit of printer-shopping. I won't blame anybody for not wanting to deal with a printer in Kalamazoo four times a year, but deals not too much worse must be available locally (remember you've got that shipping cost as a cushion). I realize there are some free exchange copies mailed out that also cost the TSA something, and of course a small stock of additional copies for later sale (25, say) will be wanted, but still I think the TSA should be able to afford to send the Texas Caver to all its members under the present dues. Whether older issue should be on the Web and under what restrictions are separate questions. -- Bill Mixon -- You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver
It doesn't appear so, the TSA membership voted othewise. On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Preston Forsythe wrote: > Disagree. > > Many cavers prefer a hard copy. They want to read it as they do most > magazines. > > Those printing and mailing costs seem very high to me. A 5 page 8.5 x 11 > newsletter with envelope can be mailed for 42 cents. The paper is cheap. > > Preston > = > - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" > > To: "Mixon Bill" > Cc: "Cavers Texas" > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver > > >> Bill, I won't speak to the costs, Mark A. will have to, he's been >> doing the leg work. >> >> However, Gill made an excellent point, aside from a very few that >> don't have computers (and they are obviously not posting here), there >> should not be a hard copy printed and mailed at the cost of the TSA >> from the dues, that money should go elsewhere. >> >> I would like to see 100% of our dues go to other things than >> printing/mailing our newsletter. >> >> Charles >> >> >
Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver
Disagree. Many cavers prefer a hard copy. They want to read it as they do most magazines. Those printing and mailing costs seem very high to me. A 5 page 8.5 x 11 newsletter with envelope can be mailed for 42 cents. The paper is cheap. Preston = - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: "Mixon Bill" Cc: "Cavers Texas" Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver Bill, I won't speak to the costs, Mark A. will have to, he's been doing the leg work. However, Gill made an excellent point, aside from a very few that don't have computers (and they are obviously not posting here), there should not be a hard copy printed and mailed at the cost of the TSA from the dues, that money should go elsewhere. I would like to see 100% of our dues go to other things than printing/mailing our newsletter. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver
Bill, I won't speak to the costs, Mark A. will have to, he's been doing the leg work. However, Gill made an excellent point, aside from a very few that don't have computers (and they are obviously not posting here), there should not be a hard copy printed and mailed at the cost of the TSA from the dues, that money should go elsewhere. I would like to see 100% of our dues go to other things than printing/mailing our newsletter. Charles On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Mixon Bill wrote: > I have gotten a quote from the printer I use for the Association for Mexican > Cave Studies on an issue of the Texas Caver. For saddle-stitched in a cover > printed both sides in full color and 24 inside b&w pages (_four more_ than > are in the most recent TC), the quote for quantity between 150 and 249 > copies is $2.12 a copy plus $60 setup charges. The per-copy price changes by > only about 5 cents for more or fewer. Assuming 200 copies, the setup charge > comes to 30 cents a copy, for a printing cost of $2.42. Of course, this is > in Kalamazoo, so you'd have to add maybe another $60 for shipping to Texas; > I'll be generous and make it $2.75 in all. > > Now add maybe 5 cents for a mailing envelope and 2 cents for a mailing > label. I don't know what postage actually is, but I'll guess for non-profit > bulk rate it is 40 cents a copy. This brings us up to a grand total of $3.22 > for each copy of the Texas Caver mailed to a member. At four issues a year, > we're talking $13. (You can do the arithmetic if there are more or fewer > than 200 TSA members; it affects only the setup and shipping.) > > I'd say whoever is publishing the Texas Caver at a cost of $26 per member > per year needs to do a bit of printer-shopping. I won't blame anybody for > not wanting to deal with a printer in Kalamazoo four times a year, but deals > not too much worse must be available locally (remember you've got that > shipping cost as a cushion). > > I realize there are some free exchange copies mailed out that also cost the > TSA something, and of course a small stock of additional copies for later > sale (25, say) will be wanted, but still I think the TSA should be able to > afford to send the Texas Caver to all its members under the present dues. > > Whether older issue should be on the Web and under what restrictions are > separate questions. > -- Bill Mixon > -- > You may "reply" to the address this message > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
[Texascavers] cost of Texas Caver
I have gotten a quote from the printer I use for the Association for Mexican Cave Studies on an issue of the Texas Caver. For saddle- stitched in a cover printed both sides in full color and 24 inside b&w pages (_four more_ than are in the most recent TC), the quote for quantity between 150 and 249 copies is $2.12 a copy plus $60 setup charges. The per-copy price changes by only about 5 cents for more or fewer. Assuming 200 copies, the setup charge comes to 30 cents a copy, for a printing cost of $2.42. Of course, this is in Kalamazoo, so you'd have to add maybe another $60 for shipping to Texas; I'll be generous and make it $2.75 in all. Now add maybe 5 cents for a mailing envelope and 2 cents for a mailing label. I don't know what postage actually is, but I'll guess for non- profit bulk rate it is 40 cents a copy. This brings us up to a grand total of $3.22 for each copy of the Texas Caver mailed to a member. At four issues a year, we're talking $13. (You can do the arithmetic if there are more or fewer than 200 TSA members; it affects only the setup and shipping.) I'd say whoever is publishing the Texas Caver at a cost of $26 per member per year needs to do a bit of printer-shopping. I won't blame anybody for not wanting to deal with a printer in Kalamazoo four times a year, but deals not too much worse must be available locally (remember you've got that shipping cost as a cushion). I realize there are some free exchange copies mailed out that also cost the TSA something, and of course a small stock of additional copies for later sale (25, say) will be wanted, but still I think the TSA should be able to afford to send the Texas Caver to all its members under the present dues. Whether older issue should be on the Web and under what restrictions are separate questions. -- Bill Mixon -- You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
