RE: [Texascavers] stal mining in China

2008-01-25 Thread Fritz Holt
Stefan,
This won't be necessary. We just need to have the legislature pass a law
requiring that all of these "stripped" formations come with information
of exactly where they came from so that we could buy them back and
reattach them. :-)
Fritz

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From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:54 PM
To: Mixon Bill; Cavers Texas
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] stal mining in China

So I suggest that since the caves here are being 'stripped' of
formations by scientists doing climate research, we should join the
merry throngs importing all-and-sundry from China and get replacement
stal from there too.

:-)

Stefan

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RE: [Texascavers] stal mining in China

2008-01-25 Thread Stefan Creaser
So I suggest that since the caves here are being 'stripped' of
formations by scientists doing climate research, we should join the
merry throngs importing all-and-sundry from China and get replacement
stal from there too.

:-)

Stefan

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[Texascavers] stal mining in China

2008-01-25 Thread Mixon Bill
Here's something to keep you awake tonight. It is from page 44 of  
"Guangxi 2005," an expediiton report published last May in Britain.  
Please, don't anybody mine this for wine-making tips.-- Mixon

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TNT HORROR - YU LONG DONG EXPOSED
By Emma Porter
Yu Long Dong, or Desecrated Cave, is more like a working mine than a  
cave.   Ged and Bruce, together with Chinese cavers, had commenced the  
survey in March 2004 and I had heard them speak about meeting stal  
workers in the cave. Marci and I undertook two consecutive surveying  
trips into this fossil system, which is a significant cave in its own  
right.


The entrance accommodates a couple of water tanks, water which is used  
for the village in times of drought. The cave itself seems to provide  
the biggest source of employment for the village and locals  
accompanied us on both trips.


After a slightly shaky start, as we had difficulty locating the 2004  
survey station, we left Oxford Circus in the pursuit of discovering  
what lay beyond the question mark on the map. We were following a huge  
single passage, adorned with massive calcite bosses but which on  
closer inspection had been stripped bare. Perilous pieces of bamboo  
scaffolding straddled even the very top of the bosses in the stal  
thieves' attempt to mine the cave. We found huge 4m sawn-off stals,  
bound in rope and resting on bamboo poles, ready to be extradited out  
of their home of the cave. Hundreds of smaller sawn-off formations  
could be found lined up, ready for removal to the outside world.


We continued the entire trip, following this single passage, shadowed  
by three locals and listening to the squawks of cave swiftlets. The  
end of the passage was reminiscent of Claytondale and it was like  
reaching the peak of a mountain as we finally attained the top of the  
slope which merely closed down.


We were horrified on the way out when one of the Chinese cavers who  
was with us, started filling his bag with formations that had been  
lined up. Not only was he stealing from the cave, he was stealing  
someone's hard work, gave his tackle bag to the stal miner to carry  
out and was quite happy to pose for a photo with the evidence of his  
crime! Marci and I were left speechless at such action
Our horror continued the following day as we explored TNT Passage for  
800m, passing bosses, gours, cave pearls, two noticeable craters and  
then the destruction commenced. Bamboo scaffolding hung abandoned from  
the ceiling of passages, explosives had been used to make tunnels  
through calcite bosses that blocked passageways, 2m sawn-off curtains  
were found left abandoned in the middle of a chamber, the bare core of  
formations remained, stripped naked of all their glory amongst a sea  
of shattered fragments of calcite which covered the floor. The  
desecration seemed worse than Jiang Zhou Cave System, maybe because it  
felt more like a mine with the use of explosives. We could see the  
formations ready to be transported out and we could witness the stal  
mining happening in front of us in real time.


It was about 10pm when we exited, having left a couple of dubious  
leads and finishing the day at a muddy sump with just under 1 km  
surveyed. We arrived back at the Taliban Wagon (our expedition 4WD  
transport) to be greeted by locals who proudly invited us into their  
home where a pig had been killed in our honour. Our host was very  
friendly, allowing us to wander around, showing off his television and  
he found it highly entertaining that we were totally mystified by the  
dried millipedes in his kitchen, apparently for use in his wine- 
making!! Many photos were taken, food eaten, wine drank and we  
eventually left our friendly reception and headed into the black void  
of the night.


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